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Mar 18, 2021 12:56 PM

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That episode was amazing!! Higurashi is 10/10 imo.
Mar 18, 2021 12:57 PM

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Damn... Despite watching the original anime back in the day I have really no clue what's the deal with that syndrome anymore... And it was a pretty big part of this episode, too.

I'm sure it really exists (and so Takano's grandad had to be right), but what is it's true origin? How can you get infected? By getting an injection or even naturally? What was the goal of that Nomura woman? I'm pretty sure Takano just went along with everything she said because she wanted her grandfather's theory to be proven correct, but what about the other people? Did the government intend to use this parasite specific to Himaizawa as a bio-weapon? And so they hired this Nomura, who in turn hired Yama Inu, to annihilate the entire village as a test?

If you don't remember all that i think it's better to just rewatch the OG/read the VN/manga.
But here's a summary: Takano's grandfather discovers Hinamizawa Syndrome which is a disease/parasite unique to the village because of its environment and things like that, it progresses in levels, 1 through 5, the level increases with bad mental health or huge stress and things like that.
Level 5/L5 is dangerous as the patient will see anyone's acts as dangerous and will hallucinate weird shit and become aggressive.(and will make their lymph nodes hurt so they scratch their throat violently.)
most people that live/lived in Hinamizawa or even stay in it for some time gets the disease.
H173 which Satoko stole make any Hinamizawa Syndrome patient go to L5 in a short time.
The researchers refused Takano's grandfather work because of some political reasons, at first they said it's interesting but then some things happened so they had to do that to him.
Similar political things happened to Takano so the big company (or secret company that controls many things in Japan and got a lot of money) needed to stop the Syndrome research and decided to close the Irie clinic and destroy all evidence in 3 years, Takano became desperate and Nomura exploited that and made her agree to help her destroy the village to get revenge on the people who ridiculed her and her grandfather's work, Nomura's motive was to pin the responsibility for killing +2000 villagers on the current people controlling that big company (cuz they let something like this happen) so her faction can take control.
(The reason they gas the village is because Takano's grandfather theorized that killing the "queen" (Rika) will make everyone in the Village go L5 and will murder each other or go around making weird crimes or something.
The queen theory turns out false at the end.)
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First of all, great work on this season Passione and Ryukishi

It's been an amazing season and more than I could ask for.

Can't wait for Sotsu. Gou tramples on a lot of Higurashi themes in spectacular fashion while staying true to the world that Ryukishi and the rest of the 07th team has created
Mar 18, 2021 1:42 PM
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Certainly wasn't a bad finish to the season but the payoff was just ... next to nil, really. Perhaps expectedly so considering Sotsu is on its way but I've had too many "bruh" and "why?" moments to sign off with a favourable impression here, lol.

Satoko's 360-degree flip from a couple of episodes back or so really in particular stood out like a sore thumb to me and my impression of it hasn't changed thus far. I've got a few more "big issues" but well, here's to hoping the sequel will clarify at least one or two of these and stay consistent.

With that, I really can't help but settle with a somewhat-harsh 5/10 for this. Thanks to Passione and Ryukishi-sensei for bringing the series back though but sadly it just hasn't been my cup of tea thus far. Op & ED plus the original voice cast were real pluses though. Hoping for more of the same from this department and improvement in the others.
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Mar 18, 2021 1:44 PM

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SEASON 4 CONFIRMED (I don’t count Rei as season 3) LETS GOOOOOOOOO.
Omg, after people put the 30+ episodes rumor to rest because of the TV Guide mistake I got really sad, and thought we were gonna jump to Gun Satoko this episode and end it, or just end it with the Takano stuff and have a bitter sweet ending. But NO BOYS. WE STILL HERE!!!!

Y’all know what to do. GIVE THIS SHOW A RATING BOOST. It’s still got a low rating. Let’s put this show up Up UPPPPP
Mar 18, 2021 2:01 PM

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But Satoko is so sinister when you think about that... totally crazy. I wonder how it ended in the original work cuz didnt read the novel
Mar 18, 2021 2:11 PM
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I'm so scared about the new trailer, Rena looks so depressed lol.

This basically confirms that GOU is a sort of umineko prequel, I bElIeVe wHaT yOu SaId
Mar 18, 2021 2:12 PM

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If there's a single thing that characterizes this entire season, it's plot convenience.
Also asspulls and shitty character motivations. Just horrible writing all around.
At this point they should have made another fanservice season like Kira with the new visuals and it would have been preferable to this shit.

This^, except the Kira part.

I wont bother repeating myself about the butchering of character and story.

The only thing this ep did for me was, AT LEAST, THANFULLY, confirm that Takano wasnt persuaded by some 9 year old.

But you are telling me that the only reason Rika was forced into a 100 year journey was because Takano didnt want to open a probably-non-existent-prior-to-Gou album that conveniently had a letter by her demented grandfather telling her to stop?

Why wasnt she and others affected by the loops when Rika was the only looper? Why was Keichi treated as special in the OG?

I was also wondering what bullshit way Satoko would be shown getting H173. I was wrong for expecting something better.

3/10.

Doubt Sotsu will change anything and even if it does, the execution of this season was bad anyway.
Yeah, it would've been ridiculous if Takano was convinced by Satoko. It wasn't something great, but the note was something "ok" to me. "Considering each person inhales 5 clockwork spiders in their sleep each year, it shouldn't be so bad" god I love this quote, sorry lol.

But it kinda aligns with the strong will thing and that was changed by "Eua", sometimes you don't want to look back at your recordations because they're painful, but at the same time you don't want to destroy them because they're precious. Still, recordations like these should serve as motivation for Takano to carry on, not something she'd never ever open again.

Plot-wise, I don't mind the path where it went, but I find the motives really petty, and I can't even imagine a good motive. The pacing of the question arcs was terrible, and if you need to force a cliffhanger by the end of each episode to keep your audience interested, I have bad news for you.

The finger snapping thing only pissed me off when it magically triggered traps, that was cringe. Also when Rika died in those 5 loops, we're not dumb. But for skipping Satoko's countless suicides, it'd have been acceptable if we weren't already fatigued from its bad use. The snapping noise is still slightly annoying.

In the end we kinda gave the same grade, ofc each one has their reasons. I keep it simple and stupid. Whenever I think of Gou I think it's "bem ruim" which means "really bad", so, 3.
Mar 18, 2021 2:17 PM
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Mixed feelings on yandere Satoko. Even after learning the truth and how much Rika has suffered Satoko only uses it to make herself even more dangerous. Watching her more active intervention compared to Rika's approach is really interesting and her mindset of discarding everything that won't be in front of her at the end makes Satoko very scary. Probably one of my most favorite arcs in that franchise.
When Teppei of all characters can make you feel something I think they've done well.
It also makes sense of why Satoshi hasn't been mentioned very much this season.

Overall I'm pretty happy with how this sequel turned out. But I wish we got to the new content sooner. Up until episode 14 this has been similar to the original with a twist of someone else being succumbing to H-syndrome at the end instead.
Glad they made the best out of it but it was still boring going through old ground. Anyone who saw the original arcs already knew everyone was going to die. But had to wait 4 weeks/episodes for it to happen.

Also, wonder what that snapping is for.
Rika was doing it too, is it a way to enter the realm of the gods for a second or just for aesthetic purposes? Either way it's looks cool.

Pretty excited for the sequel and how they handle it.
Mar 18, 2021 2:25 PM

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ssjokg said:

This^, except the Kira part.

I wont bother repeating myself about the butchering of character and story.

The only thing this ep did for me was, AT LEAST, THANFULLY, confirm that Takano wasnt persuaded by some 9 year old.

But you are telling me that the only reason Rika was forced into a 100 year journey was because Takano didnt want to open a probably-non-existent-prior-to-Gou album that conveniently had a letter by her demented grandfather telling her to stop?

Why wasnt she and others affected by the loops when Rika was the only looper? Why was Keichi treated as special in the OG?

I was also wondering what bullshit way Satoko would be shown getting H173. I was wrong for expecting something better.

3/10.

Doubt Sotsu will change anything and even if it does, the execution of this season was bad anyway.
Yeah, it would've been ridiculous if Takano was convinced by Satoko. It wasn't something great, but the note was something "ok" to me. "Considering each person inhales 5 clockwork spiders in their sleep each year, it shouldn't be so bad" god I love this quote, sorry lol.


I dont mind that she gave up "just for that". My problem again is the narrative.

Gou is basically taking everything Rika endured and accomplished and turns them to meaningless plot points.

Imagine if we got a Matsuridamashi where Rika prepares all of her friends, Hanyuu, Tomitake and Bloodhounds only for Takano to unceremoniously give up because of a note nobody knew existed.

Likewise the only reason Rika was tortured for so long is because Takano didnt read one letter that her grandpa hid in the one place she wouldnt look at.

Oh what bad luck. Everything is turned to a joke.


Mar 18, 2021 2:31 PM
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ssjokg said:
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Yeah, it would've been ridiculous if Takano was convinced by Satoko. It wasn't something great, but the note was something "ok" to me. "Considering each person inhales 5 clockwork spiders in their sleep each year, it shouldn't be so bad" god I love this quote, sorry lol.


I dont mind that she gave up "just for that". My problem again is the narrative.

Gou is basically taking everything Rika endured and accomplished and turns them to meaningless plot points.

Imagine if we got a Matsuridamashi where Rika prepares all of her friends, Hanyuu, Tomitake and Bloodhounds only for Takano to unceremoniously give up because of a note nobody knew existed.

Likewise the only reason Rika was tortured for so long is because Takano didnt read one letter that her grandpa hid in the one place she wouldnt look at.

Oh what bad luck. Everything is turned to a joke.



Umineko does the same fucking thing. Literally any single one of the family members could have stopped the tragedy from occurring on the island, but it all built up with no one making a single change. Hell, Umineko makes a point of telling the reader multiple times that if a single choice made by the family members was different, then nothing would have happened on October 4, 1986.
Mar 18, 2021 2:32 PM

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Lmao people actually doubted sotsu's existence at this point
Mar 18, 2021 2:35 PM

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they really put "certain" in italic. like ok man you dont gotta rub it in. we really cant deny that there is a high chance of correlation between the witch of certainty and little miss harmless Satoko.

oh and I noticed that, as of today, mal put Sotsu (the sequel) due to air in July so thats Something to look forward too (if its really going to be in July).
gotta say, I was expecting things to "go down" since it's the last episode of the season, but I can appreciate this classy/relatively calm end since its very plot relevant.

ill say that I very much so enjoyed this new higurashi~
Mar 18, 2021 2:41 PM

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I'm so scared about the new trailer, Rena looks so depressed lol.


That's not really anything new for the poor girl. :(
Mar 18, 2021 2:49 PM

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ssjokg said:
vegeta8639 said:

If there's a single thing that characterizes this entire season, it's plot convenience.
Also asspulls and shitty character motivations. Just horrible writing all around.
At this point they should have made another fanservice season like Kira with the new visuals and it would have been preferable to this shit.

This^, except the Kira part.

I wont bother repeating myself about the butchering of character and story.

The only thing this ep did for me was, AT LEAST, THANFULLY, confirm that Takano wasnt persuaded by some 9 year old.

But you are telling me that the only reason Rika was forced into a 100 year journey was because Takano didnt want to open a probably-non-existent-prior-to-Gou album that conveniently had a letter by her demented grandfather telling her to stop?

Why wasnt she and others affected by the loops when Rika was the only looper? Why was Keichi treated as special in the OG?

I was also wondering what bullshit way Satoko would be shown getting H173. I was wrong for expecting something better.

3/10.

Doubt Sotsu will change anything and even if it does, the execution of this season was bad anyway.

It's even worse, it seems like the only reason Rika had to endure 100 years of despair is because she didn't loop enough times to give Takano's a chance to remember past fragments (Takano is by the way, a character entirely defined by her incredibly strong will that could bend fate).

Looping pretty much became a "gamey" mechanics to set up the whole mystery. It could have been interesting I suppose, but it just comes off as really cheap.

Mar 18, 2021 2:49 PM
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I completely forgot who the blond haired lady is. Is she Satoko's mom?? (did they even explain her role to begin with?)

You know what, I'm just gonna watch the OG and see if that answers anything

What I liked about this show were the OP and ED, and the artstyle
Mar 18, 2021 2:53 PM

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They better bring Satoshi in the next season or for real at this point nothing has any meaning. Teppei even had some sort of change and if he did, then even Satoshi's situation can ben fixed or this has no sense. I don't even know how I feel about Satoko at this point, but it's cool to see a character switch this way. I still feel like the character has been ruined in a way, but in a more complicated way I feel - interested? Amused? The fact that she truly thinks other worlds are mere dreams after she witnesses Higurashi is just ughhh. Especially cause this time around many other characters are changing in a way of becoming better (????) is just so frustrating. I really cannot understand how can someone be so fixated on their own reason to not see reality anymore. I am glad this isn't the end though, I am excited to see what's going to come next. Takano's change of heart means the world though, in a way this is a better ending for her than the original. I am glad I was confirmed Satoko had the stuff to make everyone go everyone on L5 cause it was so obvious when everyone went crazy for no reason. Characters who normally wouldn't even do anything just went along and got crazy, doing that to Akasaka though - it was REALLY cruel, given that Satoko witnessed Higurashi and she KNEW how much he meant to Rika, seriously - there is no redemption arc that will ever make me forgive her for all she's doing. Other Higurashi characters could be "forgiven" in a way, Satoko is deciding over and over and over again to hurt other people just so satisfy her childish desire.
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So I have 2 questions
If someone could answer these I would really appreciate it.

1. Is the anime over and if not how many episodes is it gonna be?

2. Is there gonna be a second season or is the anime gonna keep going?

Mar 18, 2021 2:54 PM

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So I have 2 questions
If someone could answer these I would really appreciate it.

1. Is the anime over and if not how many episodes is it gonna be?

2. Is there gonna be a second season or is the anime gonna keep going?



A second season called Sotsu has been confirmed to air in July. We don't know exactly how long it will be yet.

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I completely forgot who the blond haired lady is. Is she Satoko's mom?? (did they even explain her role to begin with?)

You know what, I'm just gonna watch the OG and see if that answers anything

What I liked about this show were the OP and ED, and the artstyle


Takano has this whole entire story arc in the OG. Gou really didn't bother introducing her at all.
Mar 18, 2021 2:55 PM
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ZMATRIX said:
So I have 2 questions
If someone could answer these I would really appreciate it.

1. Is the anime over and if not how many episodes is it gonna be?

2. Is there gonna be a second season or is the anime gonna keep going?


There is a second season, titled "Higurashi Sotsu" That will be airing in July.
Mar 18, 2021 2:58 PM
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ssjokg said:
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Yeah, it would've been ridiculous if Takano was convinced by Satoko. It wasn't something great, but the note was something "ok" to me. "Considering each person inhales 5 clockwork spiders in their sleep each year, it shouldn't be so bad" god I love this quote, sorry lol.


I dont mind that she gave up "just for that". My problem again is the narrative.

Gou is basically taking everything Rika endured and accomplished and turns them to meaningless plot points.

Imagine if we got a Matsuridamashi where Rika prepares all of her friends, Hanyuu, Tomitake and Bloodhounds only for Takano to unceremoniously give up because of a note nobody knew existed.

Likewise the only reason Rika was tortured for so long is because Takano didnt read one letter that her grandpa hid in the one place she wouldnt look at.

Oh what bad luck. Everything is turned to a joke

The way I interpreted it was that it wasn't just "lol she read a note" it was that the note pushed her over the edge. In addition, she would never have read the note in the first place if it weren't for the accumulated shard memories of her losing the battle over and over, which never could have happened if Rika hadn't won. So in effect, she never would have given up if Rika hadn't won.
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ZMATRIX said:
So I have 2 questions
If someone could answer these I would really appreciate it.

1. Is the anime over and if not how many episodes is it gonna be?

2. Is there gonna be a second season or is the anime gonna keep going?


There is a second season, titled "Higurashi Sotsu" That will be airing in July.
ok thank you for telling me
Mar 18, 2021 3:07 PM

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Gou has been a weekly punishment for me as a Ryu07 fan. Never felt the mystery or suspense, didn't like the character dynamics, got bored by the lacklustre narrative, and overall got nothing memorable to carry away from the show except Satoko is destroyed. Why are main lead female friendships (or lowkey romance) portrayed in such a sick, obsessive light? This might be a growing plot element fetish and I can't believe it got into Higu. Hopefully Sotsu does a complete 180 twist on Gou and redeems it.
I didn't need Kai to redeem OG season, because it was great already.
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Mar 18, 2021 3:10 PM

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I dont mind that she gave up "just for that". My problem again is the narrative.

Gou is basically taking everything Rika endured and accomplished and turns them to meaningless plot points.

Imagine if we got a Matsuridamashi where Rika prepares all of her friends, Hanyuu, Tomitake and Bloodhounds only for Takano to unceremoniously give up because of a note nobody knew existed.

Likewise the only reason Rika was tortured for so long is because Takano didnt read one letter that her grandpa hid in the one place she wouldnt look at.

Oh what bad luck. Everything is turned to a joke

The way I interpreted it was that it wasn't just "lol she read a note" it was that the note pushed her over the edge. In addition, she would never have read the note in the first place if it weren't for the accumulated shard memories of her losing the battle over and over, which never could have happened if Rika hadn't won. So in effect, she never would have given up if Rika hadn't won.


My problem isn't that she changed because of the note. For me it is well within her character to give up if her grandfather asked her to.

My problem is how she got there. She would never have gotten there if Satoko didnt do more loops.
And people remembering past kakera was a thing in the original but it wasn't used to solve the entire plot, it was used for character growth. So with how "close" Takano was to Rika, and how intertwined their fates were, why didn't she remember anything in the OG?
And I am not asking why didn't she remember losing. Takano remembering past events could possibly make it worse for Rika.

But now suddenly, she(and everyone else) started remembering past shards and this only happens to move the plot.
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Pretty solid season, easily one of the strongest contender for worst anime of the year or even decade. This anime would make zero sense for any newcomers and it's an insult to any higurashi and even umineko fans.

They remade all the question arcs except it misses all of what made the original good for the sake of having a "twist" where the ending is different. They character assassinate pretty much every main character and the first 12 or so episodes don't even matter. They forget important characters and only briefly bring them up when it's convenient. Not to mention that this is easily one of the worst written timeloop I have seen in any media. How is Satoko not being able to ace every exam with looping power but instead chooses to watch her "friends" and Rika die over and over for a century believable? Also, No human being would be able to withstand brute forcing a code 13201222 times over and over again mentally. Did she kill herself over and over again each attempt or does the looping sometimes work from snapping and sometimes from death? There are so many things wrong with the looping mechanics/psychology in this show that someone can probably write a whole 10 page essay writing everything wrong about it.

I wouldn't have believed that this piece of shit is written by the same author who wrote umineko and the original higurashi if the man didn't say it himself but I guess Ryukishi is just down bad. Have to give this series props tho since it's so bad that it's almost entertaining. Probably the worst anime series I have ever watched and I have watched a lot of dogshit over the years.
Mar 18, 2021 3:23 PM

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1. Rika is such a shit eating liar.

2. You mean to tell me Satako looped 13,201,234 times, 13 million time loops to bruteforce that code? You'd think it be easier for her to get a gun and force Takano to give her the code. Assuming she only spent one day in each loop, that is 13201234 years of looping. Satako's obsession as always is ludicrously over the top.
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"My problem is how she got there. She would never have gotten there if Satoko didnt do more loops."

Why is Satoko doing more loops in and of itself a problem?

"But now suddenly, she(and everyone else) started remembering past shards and this only happens to move the plot. "

Don't we know why more people are remembering past shards? I think Featherine explicitly says that more and more people are remembering stuff because she's infinitely more powerful than Hanyuu who couldn't even bring Rika's entire memories across shards.
Mar 18, 2021 3:28 PM
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1. Rika is such a shit eating liar.

2. You mean to tell me Satako looped 13,201,234 times, 13 million time loops to bruteforce that code? You'd think it be easier for her to get a gun and force Takano to give her the code. Assuming she only spent one day in each loop, that is 13201234 years of looping. Satako's obsession as always is ludicrously over the top.


The code showed an error after a single wrong digit was entered which meant Satoko only had to try 17 times to get it right.
Mar 18, 2021 3:29 PM

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I hope after this episode people stop defending Satoko since she said that she doesn't give a fuck about the people she's hurting. Rika didn't do anything wrong, Satoko is just a psychopath.

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1. Rika is such a shit eating liar.

2. You mean to tell me Satako looped 13,201,234 times, 13 million time loops to bruteforce that code? You'd think it be easier for her to get a gun and force Takano to give her the code. Assuming she only spent one day in each loop, that is 13201234 years of looping. Satako's obsession as always is ludicrously over the top.


The code showed an error after a single wrong digit was entered which meant Satoko only had to try 17 times to get it right.


Ah ok. Badly designed password system but that's fair.
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Bantarific said:


"My problem is how she got there. She would never have gotten there if Satoko didnt do more loops."

Why is Satoko doing more loops in and of itself a problem?

"But now suddenly, she(and everyone else) started remembering past shards and this only happens to move the plot. "

Don't we know why more people are remembering past shards? I think Featherine explicitly says that more and more people are remembering stuff because she's infinitely more powerful than Hanyuu who couldn't even bring Rika's entire memories across shards.


The loops themselves aren't the problem, except the motive.

Yes, "Featherine". Why are the memories something affected by her power? It was never stated that this was Hanyuu's power and the only reason Rika couldn't remember was because Hanyuu was blocking the memories, not because she was weaker than Eua. It was never Hanyuu's power, it was the power if bonds.
Plot conveniences left and right that turn the og meaningless.
Mar 18, 2021 3:33 PM

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I love Higurashi, but this was just lame. The core idea was not bad at all, but everything that was built upon it was just poorly written. I can't believe Ryushiki07 was actually involved in this, that's not his writing at all. Was he on drugs or something?
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1. Rika is such a shit eating liar.


Yeah cause telling Satoko, a mentally ill patient from her pov, that she is taking experimental vaccines is definitely gonna help.

What a horrible friend. She deserves all of this.
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Is cool episode but it truly only reminds me how much a better villain Takano is than Satoko
how far we've dropped into the abyss is becoming very apparent due to the differences of the characters
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So a few thoughts on this. I liked it overall; I had a few problems with it as well. Satako's character change wasn't too jarring for me... until the point she was shown all the loops Rika went through. I'm sorry but going through that much loops and then still concluding she has to keep doing what she was doing is just so jarring to me. I think it could've made more sense/been more impactful if instead of telling the audience she watched all the loops and just going "I don't care" if she was "trapped" herself in the same cage Rika was, seeing her figure stuff out instead of hand waving it all. I totally understand why people are saying plot convenience, because that's what the Satoko POVs were in my opinion.

But somehow the Takano thing bothers me more, which is weird because the Satoko thing was bigger than that. Honestly, it just feels like a cop-out to me. I know Rika didn't know who her enemy was for most of the time. But still it feels so jarring to have the villain of Higurashi and Kai to give up so quickly and easily. Mind you, this is the same character that:
- Studied medicine
- Joined Tokyo and gained ranks there
- Manipulated/convinced multiple people
- Had no problem getting rid people she was close to or were in the way

All so that her grandfather's research would be recognized. So you are telling me the will of a person that made Rika loop for a 100 years was crushed by a mere note and a memory (which to her might've been a dream?). I very much doubt that the note would convince her to stop, pause yes, but not stop*.
Mar 18, 2021 4:06 PM

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They really could have given up on a rushed recap parts for this episode, spent half of the episode waiting for it to start.

Season full of plot holes and bullshit writing, but I like edgy stuff like that, so I enjoyed it pretty much.

5/10
Mar 18, 2021 4:21 PM

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jaw201 said:
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But instead we're suppose to accept that she what, guessed an 8 digit combination by trial and error which would only take around 100 million tries.

ONly a max of 80 tries, since the brief case errors immediately if a number is not correct, which makes it eight one digit passcodes instead of one 8 digit pass code.


Oh okay, then it's just a load of shit that their security is so bad that a 9 year old can sneak in past the cameras and their trained military unit to steal the suitcase containing the super important drug to begin in. All this in broad daylight no less.

Remember how in the original you needed a special key card and a matching fingerprint to even get into the basement? The amount of plot convenience in this season is simply beyond belief. Might as well have had Takano dump the vials in the garbage as part of her redemption so Satoko could easily collect them. Or give Satoko telekinetic powers also explaining the retarded chandelier trap.
Why not at this point.

ssjokg said:
vegeta8639 said:

If there's a single thing that characterizes this entire season, it's plot convenience.
Also asspulls and shitty character motivations. Just horrible writing all around.
At this point they should have made another fanservice season like Kira with the new visuals and it would have been preferable to this shit.

This^, except the Kira part.



Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Kira either. I find Higurashi's fanservice and attempts at comedy generally boring and cringeworthy. I was just making a point that even that would have been preferable to this garbage since it would be easier to ignore whereas this season presents itself as a legitimate sequel.
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I hope after this episode people stop defending Satoko since she said that she doesn't give a fuck about the people she's hurting. Rika didn't do anything wrong, Satoko is just a psychopath.

Rika had the same exact mindset as Satoko in the OG.
Did you forget about the whole "I'll try again with the *next* Rena" in Tsumi?
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The loops themselves aren't the problem, except the motive.

Yes, "Featherine". Why are the memories something affected by her power? It was never stated that this was Hanyuu's power and the only reason Rika couldn't remember was because Hanyuu was blocking the memories, not because she was weaker than Eua. It was never Hanyuu's power, it was the power if bonds.
Plot conveniences left and right that turn the og meaningless.


I thought I remember Hanyuu saying that Rika's start point (the moment she remembers her previous shards) is getting closer and closer to her death because Hanyuu is getting weaker?

It seems to me that there's a precedent for memories being shared across loops by non-loopers (Keiichi), so now with a more powerful entity involved forcing another huge series of loops, the number of people susceptible to "flashbacks" would increase.

I also don't feel that it makes a meme of the OG seasons. If Rika hadn't won, grown as a person and rallied to defeated Takano, Takano would have permanently won since Hanyuu's power would've run out or Rika would've just become completely mindbroken. Besides your issues with Satoko's motivation itself, what about the current series of events completely renders OG events meaningless?
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jaw201 said:
Medialuna said:
I hope after this episode people stop defending Satoko since she said that she doesn't give a fuck about the people she's hurting. Rika didn't do anything wrong, Satoko is just a psychopath.

Rika had the same exact mindset as Satoko in the OG.
Did you forget about the whole "I'll try again with the *next* Rena" in Tsumi?


That was before Keichii showed her that fate could be changed.
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vegeta8639 said:
jaw201 said:

ONly a max of 80 tries, since the brief case errors immediately if a number is not correct, which makes it eight one digit passcodes instead of one 8 digit pass code.


Oh okay, then it's just a load of shit that their security is so bad that a 9 year old can sneak in past the cameras and their trained military unit to steal the suitcase containing the super important drug to begin in. All this in broad daylight no less.

Remember how in the original you needed a special key card and a matching fingerprint to even get into the basement? The amount of plot convenience in this season is simply beyond belief. Might as well have had Takano dump the vials in the garbage as part of her redemption so Satoko could easily collect them. Or give Satoko telekinetic powers also explaining the retarded chandelier trap.
Why not at this point.

Rika was able to do the same exact thing. Hell, she was able to steal the vaccine from right under Irie's nose.
If you make this complaint, you have to make the same complain of the original. Which means that the criticism you are leveling is invalid if you claim that the original is better.
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Chargecoulomb said:
jaw201 said:

Rika had the same exact mindset as Satoko in the OG.
Did you forget about the whole "I'll try again with the *next* Rena" in Tsumi?


That was before Keichii showed her that fate could be changed.

You can make as many qualifying statements you want. It doesn't change the truth that Rika has had the same mind set. And to some extent still does have the same mindset.
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Bantarific said:
ssjokg said:


The loops themselves aren't the problem, except the motive.

Yes, "Featherine". Why are the memories something affected by her power? It was never stated that this was Hanyuu's power and the only reason Rika couldn't remember was because Hanyuu was blocking the memories, not because she was weaker than Eua. It was never Hanyuu's power, it was the power if bonds.
Plot conveniences left and right that turn the og meaningless.


I thought I remember Hanyuu saying that Rika's start point (the moment she remembers her previous shards) is getting closer and closer to her death because Hanyuu is getting weaker?

It seems to me that there's a precedent for memories being shared across loops by non-loopers (Keiichi), so now with a more powerful entity involved forcing another huge series of loops, the number of people susceptible to "flashbacks" would increase.

I also don't feel that it makes a meme of the OG seasons. If Rika hadn't won, grown as a person and rallied to defeated Takano, Takano would have permanently won since Hanyuu's power would've run out or Rika would've just become completely mindbroken. Besides your issues with Satoko's motivation itself, what about the current series of events completely renders OG events meaningless?


Hanyuu herself said that she was running out of power. With more continued looping after Matsuri her power would have run out entirely.
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jaw201 said:
Chargecoulomb said:


That was before Keichii showed her that fate could be changed.

You can make as many qualifying statements you want. It doesn't change the truth that Rika has had the same mind set. And to some extent still does have the same mindset.


Umm no. Rika's mindset was giving up and trying again in the next world she had given up and gone with the flow BEFORE Keichii showed her otherwise.

Why dont you explain how her view on loops is simmilar to Satokos? Who loops for the slightest thing and is intigating death and terror by herself.

Youre ignoring the main fact.
Rika = loops to survive.
Satoko = loops to make Rika suffer.
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Bantarific said:
ssjokg said:


The loops themselves aren't the problem, except the motive.

Yes, "Featherine". Why are the memories something affected by her power? It was never stated that this was Hanyuu's power and the only reason Rika couldn't remember was because Hanyuu was blocking the memories, not because she was weaker than Eua. It was never Hanyuu's power, it was the power if bonds.
Plot conveniences left and right that turn the og meaningless.


I thought I remember Hanyuu saying that Rika's start point (the moment she remembers her previous shards) is getting closer and closer to her death because Hanyuu is getting weaker?

It seems to me that there's a precedent for memories being shared across loops by non-loopers (Keiichi), so now with a more powerful entity involved forcing another huge series of loops, the number of people susceptible to "flashbacks" would increase.

I also don't feel that it makes a meme of the OG seasons. If Rika hadn't won grown as a person and rallied to defeated Takano, Takano would have permanently won since Hanyuu's power would've run out or Rika would've just become completely mindbroken. Besides your issues with Satoko's motivation itself, what about the current series of events completely renders OG events meaningless?


The loops being shorter isnt what we are discussing tho.

The problem is that the flashbacks weren't something attributed to Hanyuu. Akasaka remembered Rika and knew martial arts because of this and none of that was stated to be something Hanyuu caused intentionally or not.

It isnt about what would happen but what could happen. If for whatever reason Takono were to look through that album then that would be it but somehow in thousands of loops she didnt.

Lets see.
-Friendship being a toxic relationship.
-Power of bonds being changed to power of some omnipotent being.
-Rika's torture and effort being meaningless because the main villain was one photo album away from giving up.
-Rika's victory means she just ends up in a new loop.
-Rika's character in Gou is like that of Rika in the first arcs of OG, even tho the Rika we see in ep2 is post Matsuri Rika. That's the only way for this story to work.
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Chargecoulomb said:
jaw201 said:

You can make as many qualifying statements you want. It doesn't change the truth that Rika has had the same mind set. And to some extent still does have the same mindset.


Umm no. Rika's mindset was giving up and trying again in the next world BEFORE Keichii showed her otherwise.

Why dont you explain how her view on loops is simmilar to Satokos? Who loops for the slightest thing.

I mean, Rika could have done the same thing as Satoko, but Rika is a passive as fuck character that doesn't try to make more than the smallest attempts to make a change in her loop, and when she realizes that things are fucked she gives up. Either by killing herself, or by ACTIVELY CONTRIBUTING TO THE PARANOIA OF THE AFFECTED INDIVIDUAL. Hell, I believe it was mentioned that she kills herself almost every single time she encounters a Tatari esque arc because of the pain it causes her. Rika viewed (and to some extent still does view,) the people in the loops as disposible, and that was shown in Watadamashi, where she flips out on K1 giving the cat and dog story back to her.
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jaw201 said:
Chargecoulomb said:


Umm no. Rika's mindset was giving up and trying again in the next world BEFORE Keichii showed her otherwise.

Why dont you explain how her view on loops is simmilar to Satokos? Who loops for the slightest thing.

I mean, Rika could have done the same thing as Satoko, but Rika is a passive character that doesn't try to make more than the smallest attempts to make a change in her loop, and when she realizes that things are fucked she gives up. Either by killing herself, or by ACTIVELY CONTRIBUTING TO THE PARANOIA OF THE AFFECTED INDIVIDUAL. Hell, I believe it was mentioned that she kills herself almost every single time she encounters a Tatari esque arc because of the pain it causes her. Rika viewed (and to some extent still does view,) the people in the loops as disposible, and that was shown in Watadamashi, where she flips out on K1 giving the cat and dog story back to her.


Rika only kills herself when Shion is trying to torture her. We dont see any other instances of it. Not in Tatari. Rika sees each loop to its end.

Rika (and Hanyuus) and character progression is based on them becoming active instead of passive. Way to ignore Mina, Matsuri and Tsumis ending.

Gou's Rika is Matsuri Rika. Or a Matsubiryashi Rika at least.

You can argue about personality and views all you want but it
Doesnt change the principle fact now does it? They loop for very different reasons. One to survive, the other to make her suffer.
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That was the best experience I've had with the resurrection of the wtc community since the animesuki forum umineko days. What a wake up call. Also it's so funny how the general rule of thumb for this still hasn't changed at all: ppl hate it before they love it lmaoo

Until Sotsu comes out I can't truly have a final opinion. In isolation, Gou is actually really exciting. I still adore Higurashi's original ending, so Sotsu has to be an even bigger playground to convince us of a lot of things. It's got insane potential to be worthwhile. Seriously can't wait until July.

It's been building it up but right here at the finale, mentioning certainty, the birdcage, and THEN baby takano's hairstyle? Hell yea I'm eating these breadcrumbs every single time.
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