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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Was it my imagination, or was that SAYLA-SAN!? With Judau's SISTER!? WTF? Godamnit, stop teasing me with Sayla, I want more of her. MORE SAYLA-SAN. Give me an OVA, movie and 50 episode series all about Sayla and her flowing blonde hair. Near Argama is a crap name. Mashymre-sama is back! Looking cool, and with a equally cool looking sidekick lady straight out of a Tina Turner music video. Nice. Beecha is now captain. Haha! Ok, its funny, but because the show's latter half is all serious now, its a bit out of place. Oh well, Bright needs a rest. He's been working his arse off for well over 100 episodes by now! |
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| It's Nahal Argama with my subs, lol (or something like that). Not sure which is more accurate. I laugh everytime I see Sayla ... even in Zeta, I don't believe she spoke once. She just happens to be on the beach watching things happen. And yeah, I think that was Liena with her ... very odd. Yeah Mashymre's sidekick seems cool, right out of a Tina Turner music video? XD, I'd say that about a lot of characters here (Chara Soon), they're so 80's, lol. Beecha ... uggggggggh. |
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| Beecha...captain? I can't see this turning out too well >.> |
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| Ok, I admit I like the ep, but there was a lot of weird stuff going on. It seemed like the entire group of Shangri-La kids get the urge to run the ship in this ep, and no one finds that weird or cares particularly much. Why they had to leave the Argama on Earth I don't understand, maybe it was political reasons... Mashymre returns and although I never liked him. At least, he was one of the few villains at the beginning of the season that I thought had potential. And Beecha as captain... WTF? who thought that was a good idea. What the hell qualifies him? Spunk? Freckles?! I think Bright put up with so much sh*t for so many years that he just said f*ck it & let them do whatever they want. |
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| I assume Argama was really worn out after those battles so it was necessary to left it behind. But seriously why Beecha out of all people? I'm really gonna miss Bright though if he cheat on Mirai I won't forgive him~ I was totally in shock seeing Sayla with Leina~ I hope she'll come back or at least say something~ |
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| I'm always a happy man when sweet Sayla Mass makes a cameo appearance. But why o why is Judau's sister there with her? Bright is getting a deserved vacation, I'm sure he'll get a couple of visits from Miss emily. The second half of the series has turned out rather well, more serious if i may say so, and then suddenly Beech becomes acting captain and Marshmallow shows up again? What gives? |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Sayla! I hope we get to see you again! *salute* Shame Bright has left the crew now, he took Shinta and Qum too, I wonder what will become of them. It would be cool if they grew up to be pilots like Katz. It was originally a little experiment by Char, bringing kids into space and seeing how if they get Newtype abilities. Seems like nothing really happened.. I've been enjoying this 2nd half a lot more now. With 10 episodes left I hope the finale is exciting as Zeta's. |
| Was that really Leina who was with Sayla? Who knows how that happened... Wasn't her blood covered shoe at the building where she died and everything? Oh well. Argama was left with Karaba and instead we get the Nahel Argama. I think the upgraded design looks nice. I like how nobody seemed to care when the Newtype kids decided to steal it. It's true Bright deserves a break already. He should go see his family on Earth, but I'm guessing he'll stay with Emary for a while, lol. Finally Mashymre makes his comeback. A bit more serious after dropping the colony. |
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| Leina should stay dead. It would be better for Judau development, plus I see it as an attempt to make thing lightier. Gundam is dark, it should remain that way! They could have "revived" Hayato instead of her. Mashymre is back! Nice :) |
| Did you people not see Leina get up before the explosion >.> And what the hell??! The kids are running the ship now??? And Beecha Captain, WTF. Back to being ridiculous ZZ |
| Can they really function without Bright? that's insane. Blue haired guy is back. And wtf!? is that Leina? If she's alive then that's the weirdest way to reveal that imaginable. |
| HAHAHAHA I love how they left Brighto-the-Old-Man behind, having a ship full of teenagers. Beecha kanchou ftw But yeah, WTF. Why was Sayla, and more importantly, Leina (?), there?? |
cupcMar 16, 2014 11:54 AM
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| alright this was the first episode i disliked in the past 14 episodes also yeah fuck this show retconning leina's death |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I'm not quite sure if I like where this is going, but I guess it does make sense. Bright was quickly becoming a side character with little point other than shout orders, so shoving him off screen allows them to not bother with his character. I was hoping for Sayla to have more of a role this time around, but it seems like it's not going to happen. *sigh* SithNoKami said: Did you people not see Leina get up before the explosion >.> Judging by the amount of comments that thought she was dead in the previous and this episode, I say no. Somehow, people are that blind to the obvious, lol. |
JizzyHitler said: alright this was the first episode i disliked in the past 14 episodes also yeah fuck this show retconning leina's death Maybe you should know what the word retcon actually means before you say anything. Also I never thought Leina was dead simply because it felt...not like a proper death scene. Glad Mashymre is back. |
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| So we Vifam now? I really really like the new ship its like White Base and the Argama had a baby, it looks pretyy cool. I'm not so sure about the new Mashymre though I mean I'm kinda glad to see him back but its hard to see him going through with a colony drop when he acted the way he did back at space brooklyn, I suppose his infatuation with Haman may have helped but it still bothers me. On the bright side though at least they actually addressed his actions and how he was affected by them. Judau Also seems rather unfazed by Puru's death, I don't know how much time has passed between Dublin and the present but it seems he should be more broken up about it, I mean he's failed to protect 2 little sisters now. That was quite disappointing. |
Bubcus993Feb 7, 2015 5:45 PM
| Amazing episode! So we're leaving the old Argama :( Welcome Nahel Argama! You did well surviving two wars in a row. Lol Elle and Judau were holding hands and it made Beecha jealous. I'm glad Kamille and Fa Yuiry are safe and sound. And i already TOLD you, Leina would either be saved by Char or Sayla. I'm actually surprise it wasn't Char(he must laying low right now), but Sayla is a Newtype too so it make sense she can locate Leina. Still Puru 1 is dead. I thought Judau would grieve more, but this is war so he has to move on. I'm surprise Amuro hasn't showed up yet. Mashymre is back! He seems much more serious this time around. No more jokes, he's ready to finally do his job as the commander. Illia Pazan is the new crew member?! Tbh now that i think about it, Mashymre is acting like Jerid and even had a subordinate Lila Milla Rira and Mouar Pharaoh. Even trying to become a rival to Judau! I wonder what was that green light?! Illia seems special. And wtf is that kind of tactic?!?! If this was Haman, Judau would have died. So Bright is leaving Nahel Argama to a bunch of kids!?!?! Still they are now experience, so hopefully Beecha and the crew will do what Bright has taught them. Emily sure seems happy Bright is now on her side :P Poor Mirei, Bright you sly you! Good stuff! Hope to see Zeta deaths in the upcoming episodes! Can't wait for the next episode! |
| Looking back to episode 28 Liena did get up the scene was pretty brief though (18:03-18:11) so maybe alot of people looked away for a few seconds and didn't notice. |
| Sayla hanging out with jedaues sister didn't expect that scene at all Yikes the earth episodes were really good but now we have beecha punk ass running the ship? Won't they be short a bunch of positions for gundam pilots if half of them are manning controls on the bridge ? Wonder if those other crew from argama 1 are still on . Well it looks like they'll be defending the LA vie en rosse next ep anyway.. maybe after that at least bright will go back with them. With only 10 episodes left I can't imagine they'll go into the final battle at side 3 without bright |
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| Wait a second, I don't think I like where this is going. Bright's no longer gonna be around since Judau & Co now have the Nahel Argama, Emary is way too happy about Bright being on the La Vie en Rose with her despite her now knowing he's married with kids, Mashymre's back with another really 80s female companion, and Sayla and Leina were briefly shown????? Alright I guess??? Hopefully the last cour won't suck since the past 10 episodes have been surprisingly good. If Beecha doesn't manage to get them all killed I'll be impressed tbh |
robotical said: Wait a second, I don't think I like where this is going. Bright's no longer gonna be around since Judau & Co now have the Nahel Argama, Emary is way too happy about Bright being on the La Vie en Rose with her despite her now knowing he's married with kids, Mashymre's back with another really 80s female companion, and Sayla and Leina were briefly shown????? Alright I guess??? Hopefully the last cour won't suck since the past 10 episodes have been surprisingly good. If Beecha doesn't manage to get them all killed I'll be impressed tbh I believe the reason Bright left is the voice actor was voicing Bright for Char's Counterattack at the time. So an out of universe reason. Sadly, by this point in the show ZZ has already hit it's highwater mark. It's not going to get better as it moves toward the end. |
| And here all the bullshit comes back on screen. |
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| Looks like Judau is a lot stronger than Kamille. He experienced twice in only two months the loss of a close young girl and doesn't even mention it. He looks as happy-go-lucky as if Ple never existed. Now that Leina is revealed to be alive, I suppose Ple had to exit the scene as fast as possible. Nice. Mashymre, who was the one responsible for the colony drop, let go of his chivalrous spirit only for the sake of Haman? Did he still live in his former illusions or did he finally realized the cold blooded monster she is? I suppose the woman is a disposable soldier who will serve as a rage trigger. I missed the character but his temporary reformation turned him into "generic bad guy commander number X". What a waste. Beecha sudden "promotioon" comes out of nowhere but if it was for the sake of the conclusion movie, I will let it pass. After all, he did show some signs of maturity recently. Also, is ZZ suddenly trying to imply some romantic feelings between all those probably childhood friends? (Elle toward Judau, Beecha toward her) 2/5 Only good thing for me: Artesia's appearance. AllStarNemesis said: Puru's death being glossed over won't be the only time it happens. March 2, 2018 @Roy_Focker We got that in 0079: Bright was only 19 when he "became" captain of the first ship. And most of the crew was made of civilian children. edit @Roy_Focker Oh, I see. My bad. Indeed, the characters origin was a nice change (although Judau applying for a post in the Jupiter fleet at the end was a bit disappointing for someone who disliked war, based on all this factions doings since the beginning of the saga) July 2, 2020 @St0rmblade The Beecha thing didn't appear to me until this episode, if I remember well. (the Elle thing, sure) I was probably in a mood bad enough to exagerate things though, thanks to the show's ultimate handling of a certain character and the infuriating return of our favourite "knight". |
Rei_IIIJul 2, 2020 4:00 AM
Rei366 said: Looks like Judau is a lot stronger than Kamille. He experienced twice in only two months the loss of a close young girl and doesn't even mentionned it. He looks as happy-go-lucky as if Ple never existed. Now that Leina is revealed to be alive, I suppose Ple had to exit the scene as fast as possible. Nice. Mashymre, who was the one responsible for the colony drop, let go of his chivalrous spirit only for the sake of Haman? Did he still live in his former illusions or did he finally realized the cold blooded monster she is? I suppose the woman is a disposable soldier who will serves as a rage trigger. I missed the character but his temporary reformation turned him into "generic bad guy commander number X". What a waste. Beecha sudden "promotioon" comes out of nowhere but if it was for the sake of the conclusion movie, I will let it pass. After all, he did show some signs of maturity recently. Also, is ZZ suddenly trying to imply some romantic feelings between all those probably childhood friends? (Elle toward Judau, Beecha toward her) 2/5 Only good thing for me: Artesia's appearance. You've passed the African and Dublin arcs of ZZ. Those are the high water marks for the show. After that, it pretty much a made dash to the finale. Puru's death being glossed over won't be the only time it happens. Bright disappears after this episode because the voice actor had to voice Bright for Char's Counterattack. You'll see soon enough ZZ's decline. Which, IMO was brought on because people stopped caring about making the show good. |
| Wait, did the show just go back to being bad again? (I mean, I'm happy Sayla is back but retconning Leina's death? Tomino pls. Might as well retcon Puru's while you're at it) *sigh*  Given the last few comments on this thread, I'm almost tempted to drop ZZ altogether, so that my opinion of it doesn't sink any lower than it already is. |
SapewlothMay 26, 2016 7:48 AM
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| "Let's leave Bright behind on La Vie en Rose without his permission and promote Beecha in his place!" What were they thinking? I'm sure in the back of Bright's mind he's thinking to himself thank god I'm getting out of that mess. Explains why he doesn't care about them going without him. Also seems like no one gives a damn about Ple dying lol The show was getting better but it's kind of getting stupid again. |
| This felt very classic gundam ish to me, and i enjoyed it. |
| I hope to see more Sayla in the next episodes, and since Leina is with her that is possible... Anyway there are lots of things not making sense here, the most striking being the mutiny (if you can call it so since they're not soldiers) of the main cast, who stole the AEUG new warship...making Beecha the new captain on top of that!! And what about the fact they learnt how to work on the main deck in like 2 minutes? A mention also to the return of Mashymre Cello: he seems now a decent or even cool character, but I can't really like him for the same reason I don't like Glemy or Beecha: they became good/serious characters out of nowhere, changing their personality a lot without any reason. To me, the problem is minor with Mashymre because he wasn't on screen for a long period and he also gave a sort of explanation. Anyway, I would have preferred to learn he died somewhere and never hear anything about him again, since he just doesn't fit in a serious plot. To end with a praise, I really like the visual part of the show in the latest episodes. I think it improved a lot. |
astrogonzaNov 9, 2017 4:41 PM
| Man, the kids/teenagers taking the ship/manning it without the help of an adult like they did here (I’m not counting Torres as an adult) would have been fun to watch (I wish ZZ would start that way)... What da' heck Leina didn’t die!? And she is with Sayla?! I wish Judau & co. spent a little more time mourning Puru but the enemy did not let them... talking about the enemy Mashymre is back and he is more able also I'm glad he recognized his past endeavors and him relinquishing that flower means that he is not the same man that he was before (he was more chivalrous and would not hurt civilians as opposed as him following Haman orders by dropping that colony) also we only need Chara and especially Yazan (a character that were featured here and he is part of the prequels Gundam Z) now to get some type of closure in terms of knowing if he is going to live or die in this conflict… |
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Rei366 said: *Nick Cage meme* You don't say... XD @Roy_Focker We got that in 0079: Bright was only 19 when he "became" captain of the first ship. And most of the crew was made of civilian children. Yeah, but Bright was somewhat involved with the military as well as Amuro (father was a scientist for the Federation)... these kids all of them were civilians with no experience as well as no higher rank official giving them orders it would be nice to see them like this for a couple of episode like I said in my original comment. ------------------------------------------------------------------ @Rei366 |
Roy_FockerMar 2, 2018 1:01 PM
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| It looks like Leina is alive, and is with Sayla Mass. Does Judau know this? Also, the Argama has been left on Earth, and their new ship, the "Nahel Argama" is almost exactly like the original Argama. It looks like Bright will be staying at the La Vie en Rose while the Gundam team go it alone. |
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| Bright will have some good time with Emily I believe, lol ... I don't understand why Bright's VA must left his role in ZZ just because he was going to work in CCA.. Why couldn't do both ? I admit that I don't really understand how the industry work ... |
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| I already saw Leina right at the beginning of the preview for this episode(infamous Gundam preview striked again, whose idea was this? xD) And I actually even wanted to say something in the discussion thread for episode 28, along the lines of, if there isn't a corpse the death doesn't count, but I refrained from it since most deaths in Gundam weren't confirmed that way. Okayish episode, cool to see Mashmyre again. |
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| Leina is alive and Sayla made a cameo! My suspicions were correct. But why isn't anybody talking about Ple's death? ;_; What's with those fancy outfits of Illia and Mashymre? Why did he come back as an absolutely different character? And HE of all people dropped a colony? o_O Judau's tactics in this episode were just :o And looks like he developed another NT power. And now even Bright left the ship, leaving Beecha as a new captain?... wow. As far as I can tell from the thread, Bright left because his seiyuu was already working on CCA... similar to Sayla (whose seiyuu was just unavailable and that's all, afaik) Plot-wise this episode kinda looked like a waste to me, I sense a drop in quality after the great Africa->Dublin arc. And here I was, almost ready to give ZZ a higher score then to Zeta (7 over 6). Not sure if that's happening now. @Rei_III romantic feelings between Elle, Judau and Beecha were implied/mentioned during the Moon Moon double episode |
St0rmbladeJul 2, 2020 3:53 AM
| ok so first off just like most of us already knew the sister is ok (somehow) and on top of that with the girl from the original gundam no less which is crazy (i wonder if they'll even show how that happened) and then also cant believe they even brought back the rose guy this close to the end and hes back but honestly i dont even mind it at this point with the amount of annoying people we have come across not to mention no one can be as annoying as the blonde guy smh anyway all the crazy stuff going on with ZZ gundam and Judau im pretty sure it has to do with Puru gotta relmember this happens in all the U.C. gundam series before this as even after they die somehow they still able to do stuff so yeah anyway only a few more eps left |
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| Lol Mashymre went from being a charming prince to looking like he is apart of a hardcore biker gang. It feels really sad to leave the Argama behind after everything it's been through... but then we get pretty much the exact same ship 5 minutes later, which feels like a cheat and cheapens the impact of leaving the first Argama behind. It's like the Enterprise being blown up in Star Trek 3, but then it's cheapened by getting a replacement in the next movie that looks exactly like the first one (whereas the Enterprise D looked really different from the Constitution class). Really wish that either 1. the Argama wasn't left behind at all or 2. the heroes got a completely different ship. Haha Beecha doing his best Bright impression. Why did Bright leave the kids? What is he going to do now? Captain another ship? Or will he finally be promoted to admiral and take over the AEUG's war in space? Also FFS Bright stop cheating on your wife! Speak of the devil, Sayla got another 5 second cameo... and Leina is with her? Also, I get a strange sense of forboding. This is not the REAL Argama, and Bright and the two kids have been evacuated off of it. So... is this Nahel Argama expendable? Is everyone on it going to die? |
Valyrian1124Jun 20, 2021 5:37 AM
| Mashymre finally showing up again, made me super happy. The kids heading off mostly on their own without bright. Feels like we are heading towards the conclusion of this series (although we have about 10 episodes left). Excuse me, was that Sayla and LEINA? I thought Leina exploded. It could have been someone who looks exactly like her, but I kind of doubt it. I have a feeling Leina somehow survived. Did not see that coming actually. Mashymre's new subordinate looks really cool, I like her design and her mobile suit. |
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| >shows that Leina is still alive and in company of Sayla (!) >the scene lasts just two seconds >refuses to elaborate further >leaves Tomino is a chad |
| Can't believe the AEUG would try to get rid of Judau and co just because they're children. Don't they know the AEUG was built on the backs of child soldiers? |
| Bruh I love ZZ I'm seriously so annoyed about Bright and Emary blushy stuff though, seriously, quit that shit. Is this an 80s thing I don't get? Anyways though new ship is rad, despite thinking I'll never like Beecha I love him and I'm happy to see Mashymre back! Even if his crew continues to look more and more like an 80s hair band |
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| Just when the show was getting good again, it completely shits the bed once more with this disaster of an episode. Ple's death apparently had zero impact on Judau or anyone else, as he's still the same idiotic jerk he's been from minute one. Then Leina's death just got retconned for no reason whatsoever, thereby cheapening the impact of that moment while also just being insultingly bad writing. And now Mashymre appears for the first time in ages and seems to be an entirely different person apart from his interest in roses still being a thing. This is by far the worst full-length Gundam I have watched so far. |
| So, Sayla is just gonna make random voiceless cameos from now on? And she just so happens to be around the block to save Leina. Ple got the short end of the stick being practically forgotten after the mourning. Idk what to feel about Beecha suddenly barking orders from the captain's seat, but he's always wanted to be the leader so there you go. At least he showed some competency. |
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