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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- "Blue Team, pt 2" I actually started feeling sympathetic for the members of Blue Team in this ep. They actually cared for the ppl as opposed to operating out of ignorance and hatred like the African Liberation Front. Their actions didn't make sense, hypocritical is a good word for them. For a moment i thought that Iino & Puru were going to die, blocking an attack w/ their own craft. Glemy continues to survive and it looks like one his subordinates, August has plans on moving up in the world. If possible at his expense. |
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| Another great episode, the fight was intense. I also thought that Iino and Puru were going to die, fortunatelly not. I still think that Jinnei guy looked like Char~ Unfortunatelly he isn't him~ |
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| So far this series has had some great, solid action but I can't seem to care about the characters as much as previous UC characters. Some of them I flat out hate. Will continue watching anyway. |
| The blue team felt like the first real freedom fighting militia we've seen so far, kinda sad to see them offed, offered some decent character development for Glemy... |
Luthimal said: So Roux totally destroyed three enemies at once with Double Zeta, including Glemy... the guy who puts routine struggles on Judau, while in the same machines. I never knew she was so skilled Actually another time she was handling the double xeta in space she also destroyed a lot more enemies that Judau ever did. It makes you wonder why the hell they treat him like his something special. |
| Roux > Judau, hands down. Roux should be the main character to this show. She is the onde who left Argama with the Core Fighter, similar as Amuro did with the Gundam at MSG :P By the way, the African characters that started to appear on the last episodes were better than the main characters. I't a pitty that the guy from the Blue Team died. Also, Glemy is having some nice development. Unfortunately, he becomes an idiot when Roux appears. |
Amuro_CharDec 21, 2012 9:17 AM
| Yet another great episode. The battles were great and so was the context. |
Zepwich said: same, though i really like judoh, and i think glemy has a shit ton of potential as a antagonist from how recent events are transpiring, im really expecting him to be pushed to the brink of despair and go off the deep end.can't seem to care about the characters as much as previous UC characters. Some of them I flat out hate. Amuro_Char said: fuck no, roux is a terrible character with a inconsistent personality and moral beliefs that jumps back and forth between moods like a bipolar sociopath.....aka shes a bitch, shes getting to the point where shes more deserving of bright slaps than pre character development beechaRoux > Judau, hands down. Roux should be the main character to this show. She is the onde who left Argama with the Core Fighter, similar as Amuro did with the Gundam at MSG :P |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| This episode was a whole lot of nothing. I do wonder, though, what was up with Roux leaving and her piloting Double Zeta better than Zeta at times. Maybe!Char was looking pretty cool at the end, too. |
| This was a great little two parter, there was a lot of good character development here, even Shinta was actually helping out and no longer you know helping prisoners escape and shit. I liked the ending, NotChar monologuing in a ruins of a city. |
| Great episode! It's amazing how Glemy, who hated the Blue Team for trying to force him a mission, now vows revenge and will not forget their help. Lol i love how Glemy and Jinnei guy meeting at the same table and talking about being dumped by the same girl XD Haha the feeling Puru was sensing was Glemy all along! Ellie looks hot with that outfit! Roux has always been an ace pilot! When she first pilot Zeta a few episodes ago, she was ranking up kills then Double Zeta she doubled it(no pun). Would like to see Roux piloting more than just Judau! Can't wait for the next episode! |
| RIP Blue Team Nice character development for Glemy wanting to avenge them,he's really grown on me these last few episodes. Like JizzyHitler said above he definitely has alot of potential as antagonist considering how things have recently transpired. |
| Roux seems to know how to handle Double Zeta. Why are we keeping Judau piloting it when Roux seem to do much better? Well, I guess since Roux is not space wizard she gets the menial job even if she is actually better. |
Tsukaji said: Exactly. You could think of it as raising your characters properly - some just have greater late-game potential.Roux seems to know how to handle Double Zeta. Why are we keeping Judau piloting it when Roux seem to do much better? Well, I guess since Roux is not space wizard she gets the menial job even if she is actually better. |
Monad said: Because she ain't got that newtype potential, so she'll be pushed to the side in favour of an orphan kid who never touched the manual even though she's the true ace: what a shame.Luthimal said: So Roux totally destroyed three enemies at once with Double Zeta, including Glemy... the guy who puts routine struggles on Judau, while in the same machines. I never knew she was so skilled Actually another time she was handling the double xeta in space she also destroyed a lot more enemies that Judau ever did. It makes you wonder why the hell they treat him like his something special. However, her running away still makes no sense, and Bitcha's transition from horrible to good character is still way too abrupt. Glemy could end being a decent antagonist, but something tells me that Tomino will find a way to fuck it up somehow. Don't really have much to say about this episode, but I definitely agree that the side characters' we've been introduced with these past few eps have been a lot more interesting than the main cast. |
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| An African independance movement manipulated to slaughter Africans. I wonder what the Neo-Zeon high officer promised them. After all we've seen of Glemy, he shows himself as a man who would honor a debt until the end and has some ideal (see previous episode). While his obsession over Roux Louka is consistent. The thing is: when did he become like this? Is everything resulting from this lonely introspective desert walk and the fact he could have died? If it is, it wasn't even shown decently. Beecha keeps saying better things than not so long ago, is he sick? o_O What about Ple? Was she tracking Glemy because her CNT subconsciousness wants her to fight for Zeon? -_- 4/5 Africa sure inspires the Gundam creator and writers. |
Rei_IIISep 16, 2017 7:35 AM
Sapewloth said: Bitcha's transition from horrible to good character is still way too abrupt. I totally agree, and feel the same about Glemy's development. They both seem good characters now, but every time I enjoy something they do I ask myself when they changed so much and I can't find a decent answer. It's poor character development to me, I really don't like that. Anyway, this couple of episodes about Blue Corpse and this African local conflict are the best part of the show till now. Though this episode has some flaws... Like, how comes that Neo-Zeon forces retreat? They seemed way more than the few destroyed by Elo (really good pilot, btw!) and, then, the Gundams. I thought the episode was going to end with the Gundam retreating after defeating their direct enemies and the villains seizing the city in ruin. I also hoped that Iino would die...and also Puru would not have been a great loss. I really don't like most of the main cast... ^^" Roux is the undisputed ace pilot here, give her the Hyaku Shiki!! |
| Great episode and I also felt bad for the Blue Team. This also sounds weird, but I liked the Islamic praying as it was authentic and came out of nowhere. Just something I wasn't expecting. PLEASE do not screw up this Glemy. Have him stay the way he is now. |
| I liked how the mobile suit fight between the robots looked in this episode. |
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| I'm glad to see that Roux is back with the Gundam team, but that town is completely destroyed. |
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| I had some expectations for Glemy since the beginning, glad that he doesn't disappoint. |
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| "People always wish to be ruled by the hand of strong authority....even accept the rule of a dictator if it brings peace" - that's some bad political philosophy take Glemy, you better read a book The overall double-episode was great though. I enjoy all these African bits. |
St0rmbladeJul 1, 2020 3:16 AM
| well least they're done looking for her but do gotta say not liking that Puru is suddenly sensing the blonde guy so much now.... can feel something dumb is gonna happen |
| "one step at a time" |
| Beecha has been rather mature over the last few episodes. In fact, Beecha and Mondo feel like they're completely different characters, and its rather jarring. Earlier in the series, they didn't want anything to do with the Argama or the war and were onboard at the wrong time when it left their colony. And then they tried selling out the Argama to Zeon. But then the Argama landed at Granada... and rather than leave, they stayed onboard? And now they're fighting to overthrow Zeon? When did this change of heart happen? So this is a predominately Islamic town? Lol at the heroines being able to walk around town wearing their clothes. Why was Neo Zeon attacking this town? They didn't suspect this place to be a Karaba, an AEUG, or a Feddie base, so why attack it? Literally wasting time and resources to only create bad word of mouth about your movement that will make it harder to win other regions over to your side. Glemy must be the most awful squad leader in Gundam. He consistently manages to fail all of his missions and lose almost all of his squadmates. Was easily duped by Roux and allowed her to escape in space. Allowed the Argama to reenter earth's atmosphere and nearly teamkilled Puru, incentivizing her to defect to the enemy. Failed to keep track of Leina, allowing her to escape. Failed to defend Dakar from AEUG and Karaba assault. Failed to kill Team Gundam and got the entirety of the Blue Team squad assigned to him killed. |
| I felt like the fight scenes in this episode were really well animated. On top of that I legitimately felt sad when Arrow died as the Blue Team weren't fighting for a bad cause and had actual morals like not killing innocents. Obviously I thought it was messed up that August manipulated the other side of the Blue Team into killing innocent people, and in the end no one truly won which I think is the usual message of Gundam (war is bad). I was really worried Iino and Puru died there, the way the scene was handled it felt like they were going to. Overall a great episode, I enjoyed this two-parter a lot and I think it's some of the greater stuff of ZZ so far. Also look forward to more of Glemy, and I wonder where the hell Mashymre went, or if he died earlier and I forgot. |
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| i sweated when Iino got hit. |
| ''Touch the darkness inside me'' |
| even there are factions within the Blue Corps... Maybe I'm a minority here, but I'm actually enjoying Roux's character. The constant anger in her tone is just funny. She's quite unpredictable too, kinda reminds me of Kamille. The Islam depiction is definitely not accurate, but it's not entirely implausible for the religion to evolve like that in the future |
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even there are factions within the Blue Corps...
Maybe I'm a minority here, but I'm actually enjoying Roux's character. The constant anger in her tone is just funny. She's quite unpredictable too, kinda reminds me of Kamille.
The Islam depiction is definitely not accurate, but it's not entirely implausible for the religion to evolve like that in the future
Maybe I'm a minority here, but I'm actually enjoying Roux's character. The constant anger in her tone is just funny. She's quite unpredictable too, kinda reminds me of Kamille.
The Islam depiction is definitely not accurate, but it's not entirely implausible for the religion to evolve like that in the future
| @addictedtoliving The Islam depiction is definitely not accurate, but it's not entirely implausible for the religion to evolve like that in the future is absolutely implausible for that religion to evolve, any kind of dissent or rejection of the scriptures will mark you as an unbeliever and their book openly encourages its followers to slaughter them. For 1400 years since its creation it has remained more or less the same, and I highly doubt that the creation of giant robots could change that lol |
“We also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope” (Romans 5:4) |
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The Islam depiction is definitely not accurate, but it's not entirely implausible for the religion to evolve like that in the future
is absolutely implausible for that religion to evolve, any kind of dissent or rejection of the scriptures will mark you as an unbeliever and their book openly encourages its followers to slaughter them. For 1400 years since its creation it has remained more or less the same, and I highly doubt that the creation of giant robots could change that lol| @n3mpl0yed4star that's a very narrow view of a religion, even for a teaching as strict as Islam. There are many branches of Islam, the two main branches Shia and Sunni are very different in their theology and ritual. And then there are smaller branches like Ahamadiyya, Alawites, Quranist, etc. There are also newer religions derived from Islam like the Baha'i and Druze. And when you look deeper into the two main branches, there are many sub-branches that may have its own interpretation of the religions (e.g. the four main legal schools of Sunni), and even within the sub-branches there are also cultures unique to geographic location (e.g. Indonesia's model of Islam). Evolution is mainly about selection. It depends on who has the power to spread their teachings and control information, so it's not so impossible for it to change in the future |
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@n3mpl0yed4star that's a very narrow view of a religion, even for a teaching as strict as Islam. There are many branches of Islam, the two main branches Shia and Sunni are very different in their theology and ritual. And then there are smaller branches like Ahamadiyya, Alawites, Quranist, etc. There are also newer religions derived from Islam like the Baha'i and Druze. And when you look deeper into the two main branches, there are many sub-branches that may have its own interpretation of the religions (e.g. the four main legal schools of Sunni), and even within the sub-branches there are also cultures unique to geographic location (e.g. Indonesia's model of Islam).
Evolution is mainly about selection. It depends on who has the power to spread their teachings and control information, so it's not so impossible for it to change in the future
Evolution is mainly about selection. It depends on who has the power to spread their teachings and control information, so it's not so impossible for it to change in the future
| @addictedtoliving that's a very narrow view of a religion lmao do I need to mention that this one religion goes directly against critical thinking? and besides what do you think the islamic fundamentalist will do to these off branches the moment they meet? they won't be holding hands I tell you that hahah It depends on who has the power to spread their teachings and control information so it comes down to who can violently silence the opposition? so in conclusion.... the original one teaching its followers to kill unbelievers and dissenters? lol |
“We also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope” (Romans 5:4) |
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that's a very narrow view of a religion
lmao do I need to mention that this one religion goes directly against critical thinking? and besides what do you think the islamic fundamentalist will do to these off branches the moment they meet? they won't be holding hands I tell you that hahah It depends on who has the power to spread their teachings and control information
so it comes down to who can violently silence the opposition? so in conclusion.... the original one teaching its followers to kill unbelievers and dissenters? lol | @n3mpl0yed4star I'm an ex-Muslim atheist living in a Muslim majority country, so I know the religion and how its believers behave. Sure, there are fundamentalists and extremists but the reality is that the majority don't completely 'believe' in it even if they boast of being a Muslim, just as any other religions. Religion is more about the believers' interpretation and less about the actual content of its scriptures. It's more cultural than you think. (The only teaching they care most is to avoid eating porks, while any others are mostly situational.) so it comes down to who can violently silence the opposition? so in conclusion.... the original one teaching its followers to kill unbelievers and dissenters? lol No. What I mean is that it's easy to control beliefs when you have the means to control information and spread your teachings. It's why there are branches (and sub-branches) in the first place; there were people that held the key to interpret its scripture. |
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@n3mpl0yed4star I'm an ex-Muslim atheist living in a Muslim majority country, so I know the religion and how its believers behave. Sure, there are fundamentalists and extremists but the reality is that the majority don't completely 'believe' in it even if they boast of being a Muslim, just as any other religions. Religion is more about the believers' interpretation and less about the actual content of its scriptures. It's more cultural than you think.
(The only teaching they care most is to avoid eating porks, while any others are mostly situational.)
No. What I mean is that it's easy to control beliefs when you have the means to control information and spread your teachings. It's why there are branches (and sub-branches) in the first place; there were people that held the key to interpret its scripture.
(The only teaching they care most is to avoid eating porks, while any others are mostly situational.)
so it comes down to who can violently silence the opposition? so in conclusion.... the original one teaching its followers to kill unbelievers and dissenters? lol
No. What I mean is that it's easy to control beliefs when you have the means to control information and spread your teachings. It's why there are branches (and sub-branches) in the first place; there were people that held the key to interpret its scripture.
| @addictedtoliving ex-muslim? hahahah AS IF! unbeknownst to you I'm aware of Sura 3:28 and Sura 16:106, your lies won't work. And in the off-chance that you're being honest then let me remind you that apostasy is not well received and that a jihad is an OBLIGATION to muslims, when the lesser jihad starts the communal and military pressure will drag you out of your hole and force you to once more obey that dumb book written by a warlord, at the end of the day different interpretations won't change its core values, thus my firm belief that Islam cannot EVOLVE. I'm abandoning this discussion, I disagree with both of your points and I have no desire to further derail this episode's discussion. |
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@addictedtoliving ex-muslim? hahahah AS IF! unbeknownst to you I'm aware of Sura 3:28 and Sura 16:106, your lies won't work. And in the off-chance that you're being honest then let me remind you that apostasy is not well received and that a jihad is an OBLIGATION to muslims, when the lesser jihad starts the communal and military pressure will drag you out of your hole and force you to once more obey that dumb book written by a warlord, at the end of the day different interpretations won't change its core values, thus my firm belief that Islam cannot EVOLVE. I'm abandoning this discussion, I disagree with both of your points and I have no desire to further derail this episode's discussion.
| @n3mpl0yed4star wow you really love to live inside your bubble, stop living in a conservative echo chamber. Let me just say that here in Indonesia, there are indeed many religious bigots (like you), intolerant of people with different sexual orientations and such, but that's just characteristics of most religions in the world (including Christianity, of course). I'd guess you probably only pick verses from the Bible that you find most resonating to you or fit your interests, and that's also the case for most Muslims. At the end, religion is less about scripture and more about culture and power. |
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