| Well thats a great news but I do wonder who will voice Yang this time around. |
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| @Nidhoeggr ye i heard much that LOTGH is more about detailing politics like i said i will see it for myself, its not like i do not have any knowledge about this show considering you will encounter infos and fan talks about it in the internet like you are doing |
Nidhoeggr said: Patience maybe but does it really need critical thinking when the narrator spoon feeds the audience everything? :>Well then, I am sorry to inform you that shows like LOTGH usually expect at least a minimum of critical thinking and attention from their viewers. |
Feaor said: Nidhoeggr said: Patience maybe but does it really need critical thinking when the narrator spoon feeds the audience everything? :>Well then, I am sorry to inform you that shows like LOTGH usually expect at least a minimum of critical thinking and attention from their viewers. second user that is confirming this |
Feaor said: Nidhoeggr said: Patience maybe but does it really need critical thinking when the narrator spoon feeds the audience everything? :>Well then, I am sorry to inform you that shows like LOTGH usually expect at least a minimum of critical thinking and attention from their viewers. I have to agree,the spoonfeeding is pretty evident |
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Animestic said: Feaor said: Patience maybe but does it really need critical thinking when the narrator spoon feeds the audience everything? :> I have to agree,the spoonfeeding is pretty evident The narrator spoils events, but he doesn't spoonfeed themes or a leitmotif at all.... That is certainly a flaw for some people, but def. not what gets constituted as spoonfeeding or do you think the Star Wars opening credits spoonfeed all the themes of the movies? |
NidhoeggrAug 16, 2015 5:52 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Since when did spoonfeeding or anything of that sort become a bad thing or become a criticism? If the show is making things clear to the audience,its actually good.FYI,I do like LOGH but if you do think,to fully enjoy this you need to be smart or this one will make you smart,you are wrong. I am extremely sorry to disclose to you,anime doesn't make anyone smart no matter how good they are. |
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| Of course not, but you clearly confuse narration with explicit spelling out implicit leitmotives and that is plain wrong. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Eh,I am not really interested in further stretching about a thing that doesn't really affect my overall enjoyment of the show.I watch LOGH for the vast set of characters and their interactions.As long as the new one is able to somehow replicate that,I will be satisfied. |
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| I agree with that, one of the main points of the show imho. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Animestic said: It seems you didn't mean it as such, but 'spoonfeeding' is definitely used in a pejorative sense by many (especially on this site), and I think it very much does come with negative connotations. The undertone here is that of a parent 'spoonfeeding' their child - for they are incapable feeding themselves. Surely that rings with feelings of impotence when used in relation to the audience's viewing.Since when did spoonfeeding or anything of that sort become a bad thing or become a criticism? If the show is making things clear to the audience,its actually good. Sidetracking, I do think it's an interesting question: whether 'spoonfeeding' without its buzzword connotations is inherently a bad thing', and by that, meaning rather in the way of 'clarity of storytelling avoiding obfuscation' or the use of 'intrusive explanatory exposition and guiding narrration', and such, but that's obviously not for this thread. |
| Spoonfeeding is a buzzword nowadays?I guess I should have worded myself better. I was actually more commenting about some people that I have come across in other forums who think that one needs to have a bit of "intelligence" to fully enjoy this show. By "spoonfeeding" I meant,all the necessary information are pretty much laid down in front of the audience ,sooner or later throughout the series.It just needs people to have basic inference skills and that too,not really something significant.You don't really need to be smart to do that. |
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| It's because of comments like this, that the LOGH fandom is never taken seriously and always brought up negatively. No wonder this anime has a memetic popularity. |
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Nidhoeggr said: What Miragee said before me is true in regards to snippets. I went into LOTGH expecting a rather dry affair as well, but it is really engaging which can mostly be attributed to its superb cast of characters. Unlike many other people I don't think the start is weak either: They start in medias res, but quickly evolve from there and the plot keeps moving at an adequate pace. There is quite a lot of humour in it and outside from some really strange episodes that just scream 80s it is just as engaging as House of Cards, Game of Thrones or other shows are... just as an anime with some outdated animation. I also never got WHAT people found boring in LOTGH. The political talk? That's engaging and well done almost every time. The side characters getting spotlight? That's usually engaging as well, because they are fleshed out and feel delightfully different from the usual wlaking tropefests we are used to. The pace of the plot? As I said before, it progresses nicely. The spotlight is certainly a bit warped (FPA gets too little) and a few aspects like the Earth Cult are bad, but this type of criticism rarely gets mentioned compared to "It's boring" or "Ugly designs". I seriously question the ability to formulate useful criticism of most people I came across here. No, the political talk is actually really engaging for me. What is boring to me are the rather pointless SoL parts and their over-abundancy in s1. There are some good SoL parts here and there but a lot of boring ones as well. The pace of the plot also really changed. S2's pacing is much more compact than s1's. This might be because change of studios or because the general shift from more episodic to more plot driven anime in the beginning of the 90s. j0x said: Miragee said: You can't watch snippets of plot based show and say it's boring... It's like reading random pages in a novel and say it's boring. You won't get any of the deeper ties of the story and why things are happening etc. Not saying that it is not boring at times (to be honest, it takes way too long to get good and it always has boring parts in between) but judging it like you do is not clever. Anyways, if it is "seems boring" what holds you from watching the series, how is that going to change with the remake? If they do a remake, the most noticable difference will probably be the visuals/animation, the voice actors and maybe the OST. i mostly see the scenes about constant talking and the people who comment on those videos that says they have watch all of them are boring as well and yes animation quality can increase my enjoyment, i have tolerated watching talkative shows like Tatami Galaxy anyway There is a lot of talk in LotGH. But talk isn't generally bad. It's just difficult for writers to pull of long conversations that are engaging and realistic. Few anime I have seen really did well here. Some of them were Ghost in the Shell, Hunter x Hunter and Monster. As for LotGH, a lot of conversations are done really well, a lot of political and tactical discussions as well as ramblings between characters are really well thought out and give out the feeling that the characters are actually people and not just spread sheets like in so many anime. Lots of the SoL conversations are rather mediocre though. Not because they are unrealistic but because I feel they are rather pointless, as in they don't really add something important to the show. |
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mercyhard said: It's because of comments like this, that the LOGH fandom is never taken seriously and always brought up negatively. No wonder this anime has a memetic popularity. Agreed but even though some "hate" posts in here are just as inappropriate. Seems like Logh is still the anime for many to distinguish themselves.Fans and hater (which have not even seen the ova most of the time) alike. ------------------ I'm really excited for this and Production I.G is a really good studio so I'm expecting something decent. I saw people bringing up Oshii as a potential director but I personally don't think it would fit. Oshii's characters are way too lifeless and 'robotic' imo that it would really hurt a show like LoGH. |
_HeroKenzan_Aug 16, 2015 9:38 AM
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Miragee said: Nidhoeggr said: What Miragee said before me is true in regards to snippets. I went into LOTGH expecting a rather dry affair as well, but it is really engaging which can mostly be attributed to its superb cast of characters. Unlike many other people I don't think the start is weak either: They start in medias res, but quickly evolve from there and the plot keeps moving at an adequate pace. There is quite a lot of humour in it and outside from some really strange episodes that just scream 80s it is just as engaging as House of Cards, Game of Thrones or other shows are... just as an anime with some outdated animation. I also never got WHAT people found boring in LOTGH. The political talk? That's engaging and well done almost every time. The side characters getting spotlight? That's usually engaging as well, because they are fleshed out and feel delightfully different from the usual wlaking tropefests we are used to. The pace of the plot? As I said before, it progresses nicely. The spotlight is certainly a bit warped (FPA gets too little) and a few aspects like the Earth Cult are bad, but this type of criticism rarely gets mentioned compared to "It's boring" or "Ugly designs". I seriously question the ability to formulate useful criticism of most people I came across here. No, the political talk is actually really engaging for me. What is boring to me are the rather pointless SoL parts and their over-abundancy in s1. There are some good SoL parts here and there but a lot of boring ones as well. The pace of the plot also really changed. S2's pacing is much more compact than s1's. This might be because change of studios or because the general shift from more episodic to more plot driven anime in the beginning of the 90s. j0x said: i mostly see the scenes about constant talking and the people who comment on those videos that says they have watch all of them are boring as well and yes animation quality can increase my enjoyment, i have tolerated watching talkative shows like Tatami Galaxy anyway There is a lot of talk in LotGH. But talk isn't generally bad. It's just difficult for writers to pull of long conversations that are engaging and realistic. Few anime I have seen really did well here. Some of them were Ghost in the Shell, Hunter x Hunter and Monster. As for LotGH, a lot of conversations are done really well, a lot of political and tactical discussions as well as ramblings between characters are really well thought out and give out the feeling that the characters are actually people and not just spread sheets like in so many anime. Lots of the SoL conversations are rather mediocre though. Not because they are unrealistic but because I feel they are rather pointless, as in they don't really add something important to the show. A lot of the casual talk builds character, so I don't really mind it. It may not be as good as the political talk at times, but it certainly builds up depth for the characters to make the suspenseful parts more engaging. Especially agreed on HxH and Monster as well, one of my favourites things about both series. mercyhard said: Those belonging to the user ''Nidhoeggr'' mostly. I'd personally be more annoyed by people who say they can judge an entire series based on Yt snippets of unrelated conversations they do not understand, but okay. Or is this just another post looking for justification to not get into a show for reasons not pertaining to said show? I never understood the superficial act of not wanting to get into a piece of fiction because of its fans though. One would think that the content is more important than that. |
NidhoeggrAug 16, 2015 9:51 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: mercyhard said: Those belonging to the user ''Nidhoeggr'' mostly. I'd personally be more annoyed by people who say they can judge an entire series based on Yt snippets of unrelated conversations they do not udnerstand, but okay. Or is this just another post looking for justification to hate on a show one hasn't seen yet? Did he judge it though? all he said is that it seemed boring which isn't odd. If he said it was bad based on that then you would have point. His post even said ''i can finally watch this and see if its really overrated or not'' meaning that he didn't cast his judgement on it's quality yet. Saying it looks boring isn't hate. He is expressing his reason why he doesn't plan to watch the original and is going to wait to watch this. Meanwhile you are blatantly attacking anyone who says anything negative about the series even if they are just impressions and not actual judgement of the show. Calling them stupid and lack critical thinking based on simple personal preferences. And claiming you need to be ''smart'' to watch and enjoy this show, which is just nonsense and makes wonder if the show is even serious or is it an inside joke, hence the mematic popularity. If the rest of the fanbase is even remotely close to your attitude then the reputation of it is not surprising at the slightest. |
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| No, I am just an asshole. But that doesn't change the fact that the most of valid criticism thrown at LOTGH like some dragged arcs, the entire Earth Cult, etc. is seldom brought up as people focus on really - yes - dumb criticsm such as "this anime about political intrigue has too much conversations". If you want to criticize, at least muster a bit of interest and thought before like Miragee did. He brought up valid complaints and I agree with quite a few of them. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| They can't post valid criticism because their comments aren't criticism in the first place. They are just impressions. They didn't see the show to give ''valid'' criticism. |
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| not even my bf ever turn me on this high. Gimme moar Yang dudududu |
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Wilhelmina said: not even my bf ever turn me on this high. Gimme moar Yang dudududu thats...disconcerting for someone...>.> |
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mercyhard said: They can't post valid criticism because their comments aren't criticism in the first place. They are just impressions. They didn't see the show to give ''valid'' criticism. I think this is a little bit of a mistunderstanding. Sure jox didn't judge the whole anime. However, he judged what he saw from it and what he heared about it from friends and decided that it would be boring for him based on that. Reading his posts, he would have never considered watching the show if it wasn't for the remake. This makes little sense in the way he argued because jox' main point was that it seemed boring from what he gather and new animation and art isn't going to change that. This was also the initial point Nidhoeggr brought up. After that you guys somehow got caught up inside a flame war about elitists, criticism and intellectuality. |
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| even watching a trailer can already give you criticisms of a show, but ye like mercyhard said the proper word maybe its just my first impression, do not take my words as absolute, i intend to watch this show like i said but only this remake since i like modern animation more, some of you are already concluding that i will not enjoy it |
| will the art change? because the perfect LOGH boys don't need any change. |
xKula said: will the art change? because the perfect LOGH boys don't need any change. i hope so because old style and this age animation don't work that well. |
| Thread cleaned Removed baiting, insult, trolling and the like. Stay on topic and be friendly plz. |
mayukachan said: xKula said: will the art change? because the perfect LOGH boys don't need any change. i hope so because old style and this age animation don't work that well. Yeah, imagine them having to draw noses on every character... |
 "Your sight, my delight. Will you marry me?" |
ZetaZaku said: mayukachan said: i hope so because old style and this age animation don't work that well. Yeah, imagine them having to draw noses on every character... I know right...  |
| I'm looking forward to it! |
mayukachan said: ZetaZaku said: Yeah, imagine them having to draw noses on every character... I know right... You know the difference between a side shot and a frontal shot, right? Basically any anime is like your pic when you have side shots of characters. However, frontal shots are different. I guess your pic is from Magic Kaito? Because that show doesn't have drawn noses. |
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| HYYYYYYYYPE. |
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Nidhoeggr said: As for people who throw dirt at LOTGH... it's cute. It's already one of the most downvoted top anime anyway simply because people seem to lack appreciation for slow, conversation based political intrigue. And that's fine because honestly: I do not expect the average MAL user to be intelligent enough to appreciate the finer details just like don't expect the average modern movie goer to appreciate Metropolis anymore. [...] You are basically saying ppl dont like it because they are not intelligent enough. And ppl wondering about the hate and the "elitists" provokes... |
| i hope Ryo Horikawa returns as Reinhard after hearing him voice Shun an Vegeta i think he still sounds quite young |
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phreeak said: Nidhoeggr said: As for people who throw dirt at LOTGH... it's cute. It's already one of the most downvoted top anime anyway simply because people seem to lack appreciation for slow, conversation based political intrigue. And that's fine because honestly: I do not expect the average MAL user to be intelligent enough to appreciate the finer details just like don't expect the average modern movie goer to appreciate Metropolis anymore. [...] You are basically saying ppl dont like it because they are not intelligent enough. And ppl wondering about the hate and the "elitists" provokes... Well,that's the reason btw |
| Rance X is A GOAT. |
| I love this series more for the big cast of characters, character interactions, the space battles, and Yang than the politics. I just hope they can find a seiyuu that can live up to the previous Yang's performance. Also hope they make this a TV series this time around cause I'm not waiting until I'm 36/37 to see the ending. xD |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| I hope the series gets its own ost this time around, yeah i love classical music and all but by using only classical tracks it rips apart the sense of personality a ost custom tailored to a specific show can give to it. Yes you can argue it makes LOTGH feel more authentic because of its lack of any real japanese ties, but i stioll feel like there are alot of scenes that could benefit from a ost made specifically for the show could do. Also judging by how long this has taken to come out since its announcement, I hope that basically confirms this will be really long like the original was. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Still haven't started watching the original mayukachan said: +111111Nidhoeggr said: i ship it |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| There sure is a shit storm up in this hizzouse. I'm just gonna sit here and be like this guy. |
| Personally, I'm hoping it gets a German/English dub. Imagine all of the Imperials speaking in German. It would be bloody awesome. The best we can really hope for is German accents I suppose, and that would be cool too as long as they did a quality job. |
| Omne Solum Forti Patria |
Mayuka said: xKula said: will the art change? because the perfect LOGH boys don't need any change. i hope so because old style and this age animation don't work that well. I kinda hope they adapt a similar style like Gundam: The Origins it still has that nostalgic retro feel, but adapted to the current age of animation. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| This better not be a remake, because I would be so pissed if it is. Considering that I'm watching the original version. |
Roloko said: agreeI kinda hope they adapt a similar style like Gundam: The Origins it still has that nostalgic retro feel, but adapted to the current age of animation. I really like that style too |
Mayuka said: Roloko said: agreeI kinda hope they adapt a similar style like Gundam: The Origins it still has that nostalgic retro feel, but adapted to the current age of animation. I really like that style too Sunrise would've been PERFECT for adapting this series. But IG isn't bad either I guess. Good mechs if they bring their Guilty Crown game. The Origin would've been good. |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
| One thing I hope for is no change in story / characters genders, looks and overall atmosphere. I want a slow, thought provoking and dialogue heavy anime with a few space fights here and there. Please don't make it an action packed bishounen mecha. |
Arse said: One thing I hope for is no change in characters genders like Yamamoto in the Uchuu Senkan series. Although I prefer the female version tbh. I only seen the remake and not the original so far. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
Arse said: One thing I hope for is no change in story / characters genders, looks and overall atmosphere. I want a slow, thought provoking and dialogue heavy anime with a few space fights here and there. Please don't make it an action packed bishounen mecha. That's...kind of unlikely with current anime market's attention span. LOTGH was written and shot like a matter-of-factl history book. Which is why it worked so damn well. Nowadays that is just not marketable, sadly. I mean looking at the difference between GITS:ARISE and GITS: SAC already shows that :/ I really doubt we will get something on the level of the original. I can only hope that at least a part of it's spirit and tension will be captured and at least something watchable will be made. |
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| Guess it will be time for me to check out the quintessential elitist animu. |
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