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| So its either they're all related or just not at all, and just call the leader of the group "father" holy crap thats why that one chick said himari wasn't apart of their family and apparently shouma was the oddball out after this episode, im sure a lot more people like shouma/himari even just a little bit looks like kiga group is in control of everything, explaining all the penguin symbols on pretty much everything they have ties to the alien penguins, and possibly they created the hats as well, which means they aren't alien at all |
| Shoma must be a magician or something to find that place so easily... |
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| damn its just getting exciting and better.. perfect..! I love it..! I dont believe himari, shouma and kanba is not really a family.. they are a perfect family after all :( |
| Nice soundtrack in this episode. |
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| I don't even know why, but this episode was a serious tearjerker. >>' And geez soulelle, I have no friggen clue how you noticed all this shit... clarifies a ton for me, and most if not all of that I'm sure is completely spot-on. I'm kinda surprised, though, that no one mentioned the scene with that gray-haired guy with Shouma: Also I'd say a toilet's definitely another object for "waste management". And hey, it even spins! xD Wow, another thing I noticed going back is that as the series progresses there's less and less people in the background who aren't just stick-figures. In the first few episodes everyone is drawn. Also. Apologies if my images aren't working... having problems with images on MAL at the moment. |
HalibelTheEspadaSep 1, 2013 9:08 PM
| The music, the art, the story...everything about this episode was excellent. Kanba and Masako being related was already hinted at so now I'm only wondering if the man they call father is Shouma's biological father, or if it was someone who was coming on later on stage. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| This episode was pretty much perfect. It really had depth to it. |
BurntJelly said: Nice soundtrack in this episode. ^ Definitely. Also, animation was at the top. So good. The flow was so natural. |
| This show is twisting my melon, man |
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| You know the Child Broiler is just a metaphor, right?... |
| Gah, this anime stretches things out waaaaaay too long. I feel like with the amount of dancing around this show does, it could have been condensed into 12 episodes and still made sense. I'm getting tired of the dramatic looks the characters share with the camera and repeated flashbacks that only serve to eat up time. That said, not sure how people are only seeing this show in terms of "pairings." Shouma confides in Ringo practically everything that happens to him, while he has never done so with Himari. He made her his sister because he wanted her as his family. There are different types of love in the world, and Himari seems to feel nothing but gratitude for him for it. As for Masako and Kanba, well... obviously that's a weird situation. And no one in their right mind would kiss their blood brother like that so forcefully (unless they had serious problems). But they do, since they don't seem to be related anymore. All in all, this show drags like none other. Spend an episode dealing with plot throughout instead of the last 5 minutes. |
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| Kanba is starting to piss me off. I commend his effort for doing everything to save Himari's life but all this "I'm going to be the savior" crap acting all high and mighty isn't sitting well with me. Thank goodness Shouma doesn't share the same radical delusions his parents and his "brother" have. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| I haven't posted in a MAL forum in a while, and I've been flying through episodes of this series like nobody's business but I just have to say (sorry in advance if I'm repeating something from the other 9 pages ^.^): One of the reasons Shouma must feel so guilty is because he chose Himari and welcomed her into the Takakura family, thus (unwittingly) exposing her to their cursed fate. He saved her from the child broiler just to have her cursed by association (at least that's how his reaction seemed.) That would make me pretty depressed too. The imagery of the child broiler is so chilling and so effective--in this world it is difficult for a child to survive on their own and without a support system they are vulnerable to so much harm, including becoming "invisible" and often dying unnecessarily. I am curious how Shouma knew where to find it but that's a very minor concern to me at the moment Another thing that really interested me in this episode: Himari really wanted to become an idol, right? Natsume just a few episodes spoke about how she didn't like celebrities because they are insecure and need people to tell them they love them because they never heard it as a child. I find it curious now that we know her origins what her dream job was for a while. Now I'm incredibly curious about some of these family trees... I had a feeling since Natsume's father's face was covered he might be papa Takakura, I'm looking forward to them clarifying this as well as them identifying how Kanba came to care for Himari so frickin much. Surprisingly I haven't really paired characters, just waited with baited breath to see what's next so as long as some characters find happiness I'll be ok with whatever fate decides ;) P.S. Wouldn't it be super cute if Himari's love for knitting sprung from Shouma's scarf? ^_^ |
| okay but what about that diary.....you know.....the one that's supposedly "penguindrum". whatever the hell that is. also one thing that has been bothering me is that even though none of them are related, they all look like their parents. himari and mom got exactly same eyes and so do kanba and dad. shouma actually looks least like his parents lol |
belovingMar 15, 2015 6:46 PM
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| I honestly thought The Child Broiler wasn't a real place and it was something symbolic. And imagery of some sorts. So finding out it's an actual factory where they discard children definitely surprised me. It sort of reminded me of the book Unwind. So it seems like Kanba was originally part of the Natsume family. And Shou and Himari are "soulmates" and he adopted her into the Takamura family. Hmmm.. not sure if I actually like this development. I was rooting for Ringo. It seems like she always gets the short end of the stick >.> |
| For some reason I just can't take this attempt to pair Shouma and Himari together seriously. Okay, the scenes where cute and all, but still.... No! I didn't even realise this before, but I apparently ship ShoumaxRingo. I want to know why Kanba is living as a family with Shouma and Himari, since they are not related. This episode totally killed my MasakoxKanba ship. I know it was hinted before that they might be related but I still hoped that they wouldn't be. Oh, I only wish that things won't go bad for Kanba at the end. He sure is in a dangerous route. And I still can't really decide if I like Sanetoshi or not... I kinda like his character but at the same time I'm not really sure.. |
| "Oh, I wasn't trying to be funny.. I would've put a 'Haha' at the end of it." |
| In the flashback, was Masako calling Kanba her brother because they are in the same organization (the penguinforce) or are they biological siblings? |
 Novels I have read/am reading pending approval: since November 10 2022 |
| Definitely a show im gonna have to re watch...eventually. The imagery of this show is straight in line with the warped logic of the Takakura terrorist cell, which is at the same time is a commentary on the future of Japanese society. 4 episodes to go ... dont think I will ever see another show like this again |
| Great scene when the music kicked in, 10/10. To be honest I'm missing out on like 80% of the story and symbolism. Reading the interpretations is interesting but actually watching the eps is a bit tedious. P.S: Kanba still best boy. |
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| Scoring cheap drama points by killing a kitten. Of course the author made sure to fatten us up by showing them feeding it, playing with it, etc. You can get this by watching some of Jun Maeda's slop: (Air, Clannad). I expected better from Ikuhara. |
8oomerAug 20, 2016 2:54 PM
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| Some backstory on Himari, pretty traumatic to have the cat thrown in the garbage truck. Child broiler is brutal. |
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| "No pets allowed" Lets put the cat back there. What could go wrong? |
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| glad to see i wasn't the only one to get bothered by all this shipping. i'm not against the romantic happily ever after but this story is so complicated and full of details... how can someone say that all that matters is if shouma and ringo [or whoever else] end up together? |
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| Cat Broiler seems like a nice place. |
| So wait are the terrorists the good side of this story!? Even if their methods are super wrong, are they not trying to punish society for all the failed families, for all the kids left alone, for the very existence of Child Broiler!? |
 SEIZON SENRYAKU: Hungry 100% of the time.Vzla-IT |
| Wait, what? There is seriously a place where they kill children like that? I thought it was just a symbolic way of showing an abusive orphanage. Shouma is the least messed up character so far. I wonder if he also has a messed up side that we are not seeing. |
| What a wonderful episode! |
| Amazing backstory. I like how Kenzan's speech pretty much mirrors Touga's speech about bringing the revolution to the world from RGU. They even share the same seiyuu. Another interesting detail about this episode is Himari's slippers. They look like white bunnies and are obviously contrasting with Sanetoshi's black bunnies. Trash has so many meanings in this show, lol. Everything is a symbol, everything is connected. With all this talk about transparency meaning pretty much death, I remembered Himari's 2nd death. What did happen to her penguin then? Right, it gradually became completely transparent, it faded away. |
St0rmbladeAug 12, 2019 5:55 AM
| This is the best single episode I've watched in 454 days. |
| Oh my god, this episode depresses the fuck out of me.... The way they used the child broiler, and in connection with neko... ffs, it's too real. I have a family member who is taking care of an orphaned dog, who would have been put down if not fostered. He (doggie) is affectionate and big and sad, and you can tell by the expression in his face that he knows himself he's "unchosen" and his life is on a knife edge, it fucking kills me. And then the relation to people, and children, most of us are unchosen, modern life has just extended our lives via government handouts and things like credit. Many people are children of credit (family cannot afford them), the only reason we're still barely alive and breathing is because credit system and welfare. Nothing is free though so pretty much it's just extending life until the debt catches up with you.. and this is only because 1st world... Fucking in poorer parts of the world you have no options, it's already happening, it's always been happening.. frivolous procreation, abuse, abandonment, death. You know the sad part, once you're too far deep, even if someone "saves" or "chooses" you, most often it is just extending your life, but fate catches up eventually so...     |
ArtreyuNov 30, 2021 4:41 AM
| So in the flashback where the police came to their house after their parents were missing, why were Kanba and Shouma acting like the rug was pulled out from under them ? Maybe it was for Himari's benefit but still, something about that feels off. They acted like they had absolutely no idea what their parents were doing and I feel like Kanba at least should've been at least semi-aware that his parents weren't perfect angels. |
spigot said: Himari is the only one who hasn't got a crazy stalker bitch episode, so expecting one along those lines, especially with the ominous curry. Does anyone know what's written on the box? Nearly 10 years later, I can tell this inactive account... penguin. It says penguin on the box. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I really wish I had been around to discuss this series when it aired. |
| I really want to know the ultimate goal of this penguin organization right now. Let's see what this series will unfold in the upcoming episodes. |
| This whole second half seems very contrived, and I'm really over the bombardment of hidden allegories that saturate my screen, it's really become comical at this stage. Respect the messages, over the execution lol. Also struggling to take these six year old kids who speak and act like they're young adults seriously as well. I guess Ikuhara just doesn't do it for me like other directors. |
| The characters kind of suck, I barely know anything about Shoma or Kanba, all of the build up is sooo slow in Ikuhara's works, damn |
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| Ok so they are all related now except for Himari and Ringo? Still dont know whats the point of this right now. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| This entire time I seriously thought the child broiler was another one of the show's fancy metaphors. For the place to be an actual facility where flesh and blood children that were deemed to be unneeded are sent is so damn unnerving. I guess it's official now. Shoma really was to Himari what Momoka was to Tabuki, right down to both of their rescue scenes having an emotional impact powerful enough to change fate. |
| This is conceptually far worse than survival of the fittest. Here you don't even stand a fighting chance for yourself, it's completely up to fate to decide what becomes of you. Whether you're chosen or unchosen is completely random. What a cold and harsh reality... |
| Child Broiler is the most messed up thing in this anime, what kind of twisted society lets "unneeded" children just get chopped up into pieces? Not that I agree with the terrorists either, of course. At least Shoma was able to save Himari and give her a place to belong. |
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