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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Oww, that was...totally unexpected. Poor Erin T___T. |
| Sorry for grammar mistakes(if any), english is not my native language. Feel free to correct me if you see some. |
| Errrrrrrr.....Tell me about it. I really hoped she will start to wear her mom's nickels before the end but not like that ....cries :( |
| The spring I met you, The spring without you. |
| Wow, this was a really intense episode. I loved it, but I hope she can return to her normal life again soon. I don't want to see her get used by bad people. |
| I've just become KnSE fanatic.I've got my eye on this show ever since I've known it will be made but somehow along the way I forgot about it to discover it again in August. From this time on my admiration started increasing exponentially to the point it's almost impossible to like it more than I already am. I officially declare it's one of the best anie I;ve ever seen. Graphics are decent but not great (although I wouldn't change that style on any other), music is good at best (although the compositions that are in anime fit perfectly to the show), plot isn't flawless either (there are times when some things are presented for granted without proper explanation but it's consistent and the story is being served in right proportions, i.e.love, action and character development). Nonetheless Kemono no Souja Erin has this something that keeps me on my toes, increases my blood pressure and makes me remember about it. In short, it's superb because it affects me nad makes my imagination working. . As for the episode, it was awesome. Seimiya has been shit listed by me, it's because of her that my lovely Erin was seriously hurt and lost her fingers (and almost life too). And the three handlers that were sent by her were pathetic. They couldn't even make it in time to whistle and Erin had to save them. Bunch of sissies. |
| well that sucks. Erin is now going to do the very thing she didn't want to do. Make it so humans can control Beast lords. I hope somewhere along the way something goes wrong because if it doesn't this is going to be a retelling of what happened in the past :(. PS. I hope Damia (sp?) gets eaten, that guy is such a prick. |
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| That's life and it sucks, poor Erin loosing three of her fingers. I am surprised that the people of the mist didn't kill Erin already, I mean she had broken all their rules and the way things are going the worse is on the way. |
| Again, things are getting worse and worse.... We are now seeing a lot of analogies between Erin and her mother Soyon.... |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I refuse to believe that this will end as a tragedy. All of this foreshadowing is just to make you believe Erin will end up like Soyon, and if I keep saying this I may actually convince myself that it isn't hopeless wishful thinking. |
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| Don't worry. My cat can reed Japanese and he red the book. He told me it ends up like a perfect Happy ending. |
| The spring I met you, The spring without you. |
RinM said: Don't worry. My cat can reed Japanese and he red the book. He told me it ends up like a perfect Happy ending. |
wakka9caNov 9, 2009 7:32 PM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
wakka9ca said: RinM said: Don't worry. My cat can reed Japanese and he red the book. He told me it ends up like a perfect Happy ending. And here you're doing it again, spoiling the fun. This is not novel thread. At least have the decency to hide spoilers. |
| That.. was sooo sad.. I'm actually surprised that lilan had no sympathy for biting off her fingers. MaxCrazy7 said: I am surprised that the people of the mist didn't kill Erin already, I mean she had broken all their rules and the way things are going the worse is on the way. I agree |
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goral said: wakka9ca said: RinM said: Don't worry. My cat can reed Japanese and he red the book. He told me it ends up like a perfect Happy ending. And here you're doing it again, spoiling the fun. This is not novel thread. At least have the decency to hide spoilers. Sorry for that bad habit of mine :/ |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| This episode made me cry like a baby. Poor Erin ;_; |
| Could you please tell what's gonna be in your spoiler too, Wakka. It's hard to tell how it's spoiling and some of us are just too curious to NOT take a chance. I know it's a bit of an habit of yours, but still (it's okay for Guin Saga since it will be decades before I ever read the books, but for Erin, I surely will soon and you just spoiled me -__-' (though it was expected so I won't kill you for that x)..)). Best episode sor far for me, just loved it. Every little bit of it was intended to the developement of Erin. With her determination, she stepped on her biggest principle and decided to walk down that path, even though it ain't a peaceful one. She knows that she'll suffer and probably will hurt others but still. She's ressembling her mother even more but I guess it was inevitable too. The best part for me was when she placed the bracelet on her wrist (and the one with the glove), while crying and holding the mute whistle. When she declared that she was a Beast Healer (and following), it just moved me ><. Bouhouu, poor Erin. Otherwise I agree with goral, this anime just has something special that makes it interesting to follow. The art isn't what you'd call amazing, but it's just fitting. Everything in this series is fitting ; music, characters, story and art. I am quite amazed at how it grew on me and how Erin became such a strong and likable character along the serie. She ended in my top favorites and I think Kemono will really get a special place in my heart too (ooowww <3). Definitely one of me favorites of the year, we should get more unique stuff like Kemono. >< |
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| Damn, a lot happened. She even lost her fingers... and now she has set-up an oujuu army. Horrible Damiya. I also saw the Touda vet from Erin's village... I have the feeling it won't end so well for Erin. [And don't come with novel spoilers, please. ] |
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| this is a really awesome series. the ups and downs have been pretty unmatched in anything else for me. it does seem like this could end up as a really tragic series about growing up and the harsh realities in life or erin could find a way out of this war and whatever else might happen. i really cant tell and its a huge reason ive loved this show. |
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| I didn't really like the episode. I like the idea of the plot development, but I'm a little annoyed that Erin still thinks she's doing the right thing. Even with half her hand gone, there is still some weird sense of superiority I get from her that she thinks she knows what's best. The problem is, like the two queens, she has no idea about how the real world works, and she wants to continue to pursue he ideals while using "the real world" to achieve her goals. She could have stood to have learned a lot from this experience, and I feel like she's just defaulting on her mother's path at this point. |
| I did get a little frustrated with Erin and how she bowed to those three guys that tried to take Lilan away. It reminded me of when Soyon apologetically bowed to Wadan (the jerk beastinarian from Ake) in episode 5. The way they looked at her bitterly even after that made me want to punch them. I agree with how everything she's doing now seems to correlate with her mother's path. In her defense, she is only 18 and is making the decision that she thinks would keep the people she cares about (Esal and the school) from harm's way; plus there's just a lot of pressure riding on her shoulders. If I were in that boat I'm not sure what I would do, other than taking the paddle and smashing it into Damiya's head. I read one comment somewhere asking why she doesn't just fly away on Lilan, but that'd probably get Esal and the others in trouble. She's a smart girl, but just like her mom, she tries to protect those around her while not caring too much for herself. But unlike her mom, she has several friends in positions that may lend her a hand in the coming episodes. Ial, in particular, carries some useful knowledge and fighting skills he'll probably put to good use. That's why I don't think it'll end tragically. Plus, the flow of the story doesn't feel right to have a tragic end with a lesson on the harsh reality of life. We've seen that theme enough in the story. I think another purpose for Soyon's death was to show viewers her path, and at the end of this 50-seat roller coaster they'll show us how her daughter deviates from that. Two separate rivers may join somewhere along the way, but they can always part at the end; likewise, Erin is following her mom's mindset right now, but will somehow flow onto her own path like Soyon advised in her final moments. There's enough time for things to turn out for the better. It'd be different if it was the last 10 mins of episode 50 :/. If Erin doesn't think of something, I'm sure one of her buddies will lend a hand. Things are usually tense near the end to keep people watching. Still is a bummer she lost her fingers though. Wish I could give her a big hug. Also, I think Nason hasn't assassinated her yet either because he can't or is waiting for something (like how he couldn't save Soyon). I'm glad we get to see Saju (in particular) and some others in Ake next episode! Wadan looks the same as ever. |
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| I don't follow... why Erin's sudden change of heart? She basically just decided to do what she's spent a dozen episodes denying to accept... |
| Naturally Erin was going to end up actually wearing her mother's bracelet, but I didn't think it'd be like this! I think the idea with the mute whistle is that by using it even once, Erin has irredeemably crossed a boundary and Lilan will never really trust her again. If she is to stay with Lilan (as she is determined to do), she will have to use the whistle no matter what she thinks of it. I'm confused by the reference to benetrophic water, though. Does it actually harm Beast-Lords and Touda? Is it actually malatrophic? If so it must have been devised by Je to prevent humans from having what she saw as too much control over beasts, but have the beastinarians since really failed to notice that they're actually feeding their charges poison? Also, if this is the case, how does Erin even know this? It's nice to be able to say that those two idiots haven't had a line in ages, nor even more than an incidental appearance. Maybe the writers realized they provided a friendly face for Erin to turn to which would do nothing at this point but ruin the tension. In fact, they missed a chance to have them actually serve a purpose in the story by having a sequence in which they're prevented from following Erin to the capital. It would have driven home that she's under the influence of unfriendly powers and has no friends or allies. |
FronzelJul 16, 2011 12:38 PM
RinM said: Don't worry. My cat can reed Japanese and he red the book. He told me it ends up like a perfect Happy ending. Heh, I would like to believe in a happy ending for this series, too. Hopefully it actually happens! noteDhero said: She could have stood to have learned a lot from this experience, and I feel like she's just defaulting on her mother's path at this point. It definitely seems like that. I don't understand why she wouldn't at least attempt to forge a different path than the one her mother took, to try and create an alternate ending. A lot of the things she was doing in the episode reminded me of Soyon. I admit, I was a bit disappointed. Alas86 said: I don't follow... why Erin's sudden change of heart? She basically just decided to do what she's spent a dozen episodes denying to accept... It didn't make much sense to me either. Although, to be honest, as an artist and a musician, I would probably get pretty bitter and vengeful at having a part of my hand bitten off. Erin is neither, though, and has always dedicated herself to taking care of beasts of some sort throughout her entire life, so you'd think she'd spent a little more time thinking about this decision she ultimately made. |
merle_noir said: Alas86 said: I don't follow... why Erin's sudden change of heart? She basically just decided to do what she's spent a dozen episodes denying to accept... It didn't make much sense to me either. Although, to be honest, as an artist and a musician, I would probably get pretty bitter and vengeful at having a part of my hand bitten off. Erin is neither, though, and has always dedicated herself to taking care of beasts of some sort throughout her entire life, so you'd think she'd spent a little more time thinking about this decision she ultimately made. +1 = 3 What happened to suicide over using wolf-birds as weapons of war? She loses a few fingers and believes that's reason enough to go back on EVERYTHING she's said about co-existing with beasts and not being used as a weapon?... Wolf-birds become VERY scary once they lose it, yeah, but Lilan had every reason to kill those trying to kidnap her, along with her family - even more so when those people had mistreated her in the past. Mary Sue lost her fingers because she got in the way of a berserk animal; it was her fault. Until this point, I was 50/50 on Mary Sue. Now, I wouldn't mind so much if Lilan ate her for din-dins. She should've just killed herself to avoid the sins of the past being repeated anew. Cowardly, all-talk heroine is cowardly. About following Soyon's path: her mother was an idiot, too. She's following the path of the idiot well, now that she's allowing herself to be manipulated and using the whistle. PS: The 'make story suitable for the kiddies' plan made it near enough impossible to work out what the hell was happened, during Lilan's berserker moment. I only even figured out Mary Sue was hurt after she woke up. |
| Woah, she blew the whistle and it ate her fingers. Damn... |
| Very strong emotional episode. I cannot believe there such a tension between Lilan and Erin now. I understand Erin is against the order, but what can she do realistically in her position? I feel people are to hard on Erin judgement. I hope that spy professor does have a change of heart and help Erin out. |
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| Another powerful episode. It's already the third time but again it totally took me by surprise. Good game. I really like this anime. I wouldn't call it great, but it's SOL in a fantasy setting, with a realistic angle. The closest in my experience is Aria. Of course KNSE is nothing like Aria, but they have this same will to take their time and explore things. Just that makes them pretty unique. As for the so-called change of heart, I think now Erin is more aware than ever of the responsability she has: like her mother, she still loves animals, she's not just going to kill Lilan to get rid of the problem. So, she bites the bullet, and will try to find another way as she goes along. She can't just give up and let someone else handle things. |
EratiKFeb 26, 2013 11:20 AM
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| ∑(;°Д°) She lost her fingers! I think Erin will make up with Lilan by the end of the series though. |
| Lillian went berserk again and damn Erin actually got hurt this time and bad, she lost three fingers :s well this was also a turn I didn't directly expect to happen, with this kind of development I really wonder what will happen next! |
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| Huh I don't get it. Why would Erin suddenly change her mind? edit: Seems like I'm not the only one wondering about this. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Erin should've just let Lilan chew those bastards. Paying 3 fingers just to save them is too high price. |
| So . . . Who here hates Queen Seimiya? I do! In just one day she completely ruined what Erin had been doing for like 8 years. Not only that but for what? So that she can protect her throne and further stab the Grand Duke in the back? Bleh! |
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| Erin has achieved veteran status. Holy shit. The character development is too good this ep; I did not expect that injury. Also gg Shunan ;( Damn thought he did good but nope that fking Damiyah or w/e ass ruins it ofc |
GenocyberFeb 10, 2015 12:32 AM
 "For the sake of humankind, I forsake my humanity." - Cherry |
| Well shit....this won't end well. |
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| i was surprise about what just happened Erin did something I never though she would do. To see that she blew the whistle and how the story is going I am worried that this series won't have a happy ending. Overall this episode is something his series need because I can without a doubt by the time I finish this will defentily be equal to the level of quality of Ashita no Joe. |
| My most favorite episode thus far tbh. Crazy how Lilan went berserk and just gobbled everything up like candy. And Erin's change of heart is understandable considering that the event made her snap. |
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| Loved the symbolism of moving the necklace bracelet from the neck to the amputated hand. Amazing, to think that which was bugging me from the start of the episode would now be so eloquently answered. Reminds me of the hip-hop genre where artists much like they took an offending word changed the stigma of slave chains into gold chains. |
| Nothing can happen until you swing the bat. |
| "That was pretty hear-wrenching watching her blow that whistle. I think the reason Erin changed her mind was that after failing to stop Lilan attacking those beastinarians she realized that humans and beast-lords can't be friends after all, but she still believes she best fit to take care of Lilan. Lilan would've been transfered to the capital with or without her" THANK-YOU. When life gives you lemonades, make lemons. Erin knows if she throws in the towel, or at least half arses it, the kidnappers will have full control. Yeah, good luck having Lilan ever being calm and pliable in the hands of those assholes. The other beast lords will totally not pick up on the general anxiety in the air as well. Has someone ever not only pissed off an African elephant but then suceeded in taming it, well this is not much different. Also a lot of people are saying Erin's character development was out of place or hypocritical. Hmmm, last time I checked admitting your mistakes and adapting to a completely new outlook counts. After seeing Lilan go out of control and personally seeing touda get split in half right in her face and then seeing three people got chomped on I think she can be forgiven for blowing the whistle in the absence of her harp lol. She finally fully realised that being hippy dippy will not always solve her problems, Lilan is a beast. The thing people were criticising Erin for is now been fixed but now people are now complaining about this as well? Maybe it's the cynic in me, but as if any of y'all folks are the least bit charismatic and having a pure fortitude as Erin. Cause Erin is more powerful than a 300+year political entity and can totally as an individual shit in the face of an entire kingdom. Well she tried dialogue and it failed, do you want her to abandon Kazalm to the fury of an increasingly paranoid ruling dynasty and raise a guerilla army lol. |
Cloud_IllusionDec 17, 2016 4:41 AM
| Nothing can happen until you swing the bat. |
| I can't believe this development... Erin and Lilan were so happy, she was able to raise her as close to her true nature as possible against all odds. She got closer to her in a way that only the people of Je's tribe could, maybe even closer than them. Their bond was beautiful, but now they have truly hurt each other, and it became stained. Erin wanted to know if the only feeling that could exist between beasts and humans was fear, and for a few years she was able to find the truth, that yes, it's possible to be truly close. But they weren't isolated, and worldly affairs finally got between them. Erin was forced to blow the mute whistle, and Lilan bit off some of her fingers, each leaving a mark that won't disappear on the other. Their relationship is no longer the same, and now Erin will be in a similar position to her mother. An outsider, that will undoubtedly be ostracized, and held responsible for everything. But she still won't let go of Lilan, and chose the hardest path of compliance because she was left with no other choice. Now Tomura, and Esal are out of the picture, and the only thing she could do for Erin was to give her a glove, it must be hard for her too. I'm honestly afraid of what's going to happen now. Well, at least she's wearing her mother's bracelet! |
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| Poor Lilan, Poor Erin. She lost her fingers Though blowing the whistle might be a correct choice Beasts are still beasts, you might need to restrain them sometimes when they out of control It's like you need to restrain yourself, family, friends that's out of control.. maybe? :P I wish the Queen's messengers all died horrible Erin doesn't need to bow to them, it's like seeing Soyon all over again I don't really like the way this is going Might as well tell us now that Erin is going to end up like Soyon if things keep going like this |
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| That was one sour episode, especially when Erin chose to protect Seimiya so that she can't separate from Lilan. I can't believe she wants to be with Lilan even after she bit her fingers! |
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| WOW YOU REALLY BLEW IT THIS TIME ERIN ...jokes aside, this anime keeps getting sadder and sadder. She blew the whistle so her relationship with Lilan has been damaged. Also now she's using the whistle and going to the castle. She's turning into the very beastinarian she didn't want to be :'( also yIKES her hand O_o Looks like it's Ake-mura all grown up next episode! |
Noodle070Apr 19, 2020 4:51 AM
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| Wow, I think it's the first time I've been this shocked watching an anime. I never thought this show would become this dark. At first I didn't even realize it was Erin who blew the whistle, but once I did, it was incredibly hard to watch. And then we find out she's lost her fingers because of Lilan, it just makes it even worse. And I know now that I'm gonna get teary-eyed anytime they show this glove. Because of how it reminds me that Erin and Lilan's relationship has been destroyed, but also simply because it's heartbreaking to see this poor girl mutilated. She's been through so much, it's truly hard to see her gradually lose everything, and now she's fully following Soyon's path despite having wanted to avoid it for so long. And this episode was one of the very few where the use of flashbacks has been effective. When I saw 10yo Erin innocently looking at her mom, my heart broke a little bit more because I know what's ahead of this precious little girl. Now I feel very bad for having wanted to see her lose her naivety. This isn't the way I imagined it. |
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| Kemono no Souja Erin's depiction of violence is phenomenal. It's partially done through abstract visuals, but those somehow seem just as gruesome as an actual scene of carnage. Plus, carnage, as I see it, can detract from the point being made by a scene, promoting general sadism over storytelling. Gore can be effective, but I much prefer Kemono no Souja Erin's take. It's not about the Queen's men getting attacked, it's about what the attack meant for Erin and Lilan: Lilan's instinctive bloodlust is now uncontrollable, and Erin's determination to act as a proper beastarian is set. Also, the scene toward the end where Erin replaces her mother's bracelet on her necklace with a mute whistle, and instead wears her mother's bracelet properly on her wrist - the wrist where she lost fingers...holy crap. Yeah, at this point, there's no turning back. Erin is now fully part of the show's political plot. She's no longer a little, bright-eyed girl with dreams of following her mother's footsteps, Erin's now an adult hurling herself toward her own future, albeit one with a lot of bloodshed. At one point in time, she was constantly in the care of others, but now, there's no one to protect her, and it's up to Erin herself to determine how she lives and dies. I can't believe how intense this show got, damn. |
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