| Did you ever stop to realize that 7s and even 6s are not even bad ratings going by mal's very own scoring system? |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Did you ever stop to realize that 7s and even 6s are not even bad ratings going by mal's very own scoring system? If every other generic shit has ratings around 8 then score of 6.00 is very low. |
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Imaishi said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: Did you ever stop to realize that 7s and even 6s are not even bad ratings going by mal's very own scoring system? If every other generic shit has ratings around 8 then score of 6.00 is very low. Let's blame the new fans then! Logically speaking, it must be the reason old animu is rated poorly! Actually, why do so many people get annoyed by ratings on mal? It is simply a number. |
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| Because people like to be prima donnas :P |
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| Aside from the above mentioned, you have to take into account the lack of a hype train that would help on keeping a consistantly high rating, and the lesser exposure, which means less votes and a bigger effect on the average. |
| I guess the word "hype" associated with newer shows plays a big part in rankings because that definitely gives more exposure to the audience |
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Dopu said: New anime fans often get into anime because of the popular "modern" anime. Usually they'll watch a bunch of modern day stuff before eventually getting interested in/trying out some old "classics" (and because they've already watched a decent amount of anime are they also usually not the people who just fell in love with anime and who think that anime can't do anything wrong). Then you watch something old that might have been groundbreaking for its time, but after seeing a bunch of shows that were inspired by it, doesn't it seem that unique anymore. And well you can give it a slightly higher rating because people said that it was groundbreaking, but it's hard to imagine and appreciate it for how unique it was for its time if you weren't a fan when that show was airing and when you've only watched a few old anime. Just like the art/sound/animation. If you haven't seen that many old anime you don't know if it was well made for its time. People can say that it looked great for its time, but if you have only seen 2 anime from the 1980s then you personally don't really have anything to compare it with (except modern anime). Then some anime might have been influenced by current (for that time) world events or just some events in Japan (post WW stuff for example) and the whole message that that anime is trying to say might be lost on viewers if they're from a later generation and haven't researched/studied that particular era. People from a later generation may even think that all its ideas are ridiculous because they're so dated. Lastly even most "modern" anime drop their rating drop after a few years (it might not be much, but still it drops). It's not like Madoka and The Girl Who Leapt Through Time still have an 8,91 rating or that the The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya still has an 8,78 rating. So basically, to sum it up - if you start with Cadburys, you won't enjoy Asda brand chocolate afterwards. Makes sense :) |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Did you ever stop to realize that 7s and even 6s are not even bad ratings going by mal's very own scoring system? MAL system and MAL users using it are two different things. See at http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1420872&show=100 with people who think like Sonatsu said: 10:Masterpiece 9:Awesome 8:Very good 7: actually too boring to watch 6:pure disappointment/so bad that i cant believe i watch it till the end |
You all need to watch Nami. |
Imaishi said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: Did you ever stop to realize that 7s and even 6s are not even bad ratings going by mal's very own scoring system? If every other generic shit has ratings around 8 then score of 6.00 is very low. Furthermore, there aren't many series with a mean score of 7 or below, let alone 6 or below. The only full length 11+ episodes series with a score below 6 is probably Glasslip. |
Aria-da-Capo said: Imaishi said: If every other generic shit has ratings around 8 then score of 6.00 is very low. Furthermore, there aren't many series with a mean score of 7 or below, let alone 6 or below. The only full length 11+ episodes series with a score below 6 is probably Glasslip. Agreed. If there's any kind of show on MAL that'll get those kinds of ratings, it'd definitely be a slice of life done bad. Or even crap like C3, Mahou Sensou and 11 eyes |
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Imaishi said: People who watch older anime are usually experienced users who grew out of their 8.0 meanscore phase, hence the ratings are lower. As someone that does watch older anime and rates critically/has a relatively low mean score, I'd say this is accurate. |
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| I still haven't seen a good older anime with a low rating, I agree with 89 % ratings on MAL. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Imaishi said: If every other generic shit has ratings around 8 then score of 6.00 is very low. Let's blame the new fans then! Logically speaking, it must be the reason old animu is rated poorly! Actually, why do so many people get annoyed by ratings on mal? It is simply a number. Yes and it's all subjective. Let's try not to oversimplify here, those numbers clearly affect what people will watch. |
| Many of the older anime with lower scores have arguably earned them. I haven't noticed any particularly unfair treatment of them, there are plenty of older (pre-2000) titles within the top 1000. Many are low profile and their scores are more easily influenced by the 6s and 7s they receive as a result. |
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Aria-da-Capo said: if only animeadvice was still living ;_;Imaishi said: If every other generic shit has ratings around 8 then score of 6.00 is very low. Furthermore, there aren't many series with a mean score of 7 or below, let alone 6 or below. The only full length 11+ episodes series with a score below 6 is probably Glasslip. anyway, there are a few more.. and i'm sure i missed some http://myanimelist.net/anime/3772/Saiko_Robot_Kombock http://myanimelist.net/anime/2391/SD_Gundam_Force http://myanimelist.net/anime/2364/Virus:_Virus_Buster_Serge http://myanimelist.net/anime/2719/MapleStory http://myanimelist.net/anime/22225/Momo_Kyun_Sword http://myanimelist.net/anime/21821/Fuuun_Ishin_Dai%E2%98%86Shogun http://myanimelist.net/anime/1685/Duel_Masters http://myanimelist.net/anime/30382/Aquarion_Logos http://myanimelist.net/anime/1936/Misute%E2%99%A1naide_Daisy |
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| Lack of viewers for the most part that inflate the score by using a 7-10 rating scale. The_Deceiver said: Crazy, but I believe it.I agree with 89 % ratings on MAL. |
| Because they're generally worse than new anime. Then being longer just usually came down to more repetition, and people like to complain about nowadays anime. Also what jal said. |
IntroverTurtleAug 28, 2015 6:57 AM
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romagia said: if only animeadvice was still living ;_; anyway, there are a few more.. and i'm sure i missed some Indeed. It was even more important than Malgraph. |
| - because the art is dated - Because old anime tends to have long length so it's kinda daunting for some and [quote=TonyTheme]Lack of viewers for the most part that inflate the score by using a 7-10 rating scale. |
| I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
| People tend to watch new stuff first and give them high scores, then after a while they start to expand the things they watch. (That it's on general before someone who only watches old stuff bashes me.) |
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Ckan said: I am getting this really intense feeling of deja vu. |
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Disonata said: Because the old animation technology wasn't what it is today. Now we can see animation flow a lot better and most anime nowadays are a lot more aesthetically pleasing than back then. This is completely false, and is entirely based on your individual opinion only. Unfortunately, not everyone on this forum goes hunting for Anime they're never heard of, and the people that do go hunting happen to be somewhat critical when it comes to scoring their Anime. I'm not what one would call "Critical." I rate based on enjoyment, and I don't go out of my way to find problems in what I'm watching. Also keep in mind that lower ratings doesn't mean a show is bad, and what other people rate things doesn't turn me off from watching something at all. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Because they're generally worse than new anime. Then being longer just usually came down to more repetition, and people like to complain about nowadays anime. Do you honestly think that? Then again, seeing that the majority of older stuff you've seen are shorts and/or experimental animation, I can understand your opinion. Anime can be good, regardless of it's age, it's all about the creativity of the staff that work on it and the budget it has. During the Bubble Japan had a lot of cash to splurge, so even the less inspiring works had really good animation and production values. Digital animation made some things easier, but works get outsourced a lot more nowadays, and the market is bigger, so many more less capable animators are hired, thus a good chunk of the shows, maybe even more than half, have average to bad animation. It doesn't have anything to do with age. Nostalgia clouds the judgement of some people, but not seeing older stuff like Patlabor, Gunbuster, Akage no Anne or Ie Naki Ko in the top 500 or even top 1000 is embarrassing, even for MAL standards. |
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corwin_r said: Of course I do and just because most of what I've watched of old stuff may be shorts that doesn't mean I haven't watched my fair share of longer series. And what was in my mind when I wrote that post was the longer series mostly and not much of the shorts.IntroverTurtle said: Because they're generally worse than new anime. Then being longer just usually came down to more repetition, and people like to complain about nowadays anime. Do you honestly think that? Then again, seeing that the majority of older stuff you've seen are shorts and/or experimental animation, I can understand your opinion. Anime can be good, regardless of it's age, it's all about the creativity of the staff that work on it and the budget it has. During the Bubble Japan had a lot of cash to splurge, so even the less inspiring works had really good animation and production values. Digital animation made some things easier, but works get outsourced a lot more nowadays, and the market is bigger, so many more less capable animators are hired, thus a good chunk of the shows, maybe even more than half, have average to bad animation. It doesn't have anything to do with age. Nostalgia clouds the judgement of some people, but not seeing older stuff like Patlabor, Gunbuster, Akage no Anne or Ie Naki Ko in the top 500 or even top 1000 is embarrassing, even for MAL standards. And don't just say things I and everyone else already knows, I said "generally" worse. I never said old anime couldn't be good, I even have some rated quite high(if you know about the makeup of the old anime I've watched maybe looking at the score would be helpful too), just that generally newer anime are better from what I've seen. It's just me noticing a trend with the anime I like. Same with anime from any genre may be good but I notice that I like action more, yes quality has nothing to do with genre but that doesn't mean I can't notice a trend, it doesn't mean the amount of good quality works is equal all throughout the genres either. It's the same with age. And pretend like the only thing I'm interested in is animation quality, when I mentioned repetition I wasn't talking about animation(though there is that too). And that's your opinion, it's fine. I wouldn't put Gunbuster in the top 1,000. |
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| @IntrovertTurtle Only the first paragraph of my response was aimed at what you wrote. The rest was about the (most frequent) general complaint about older shows, as you never even wrote about animation in your post, thus me quoting you, and not referring the response to you entirely, like I do now. Art style is often confused with animation, so I wanted to get that cleared up a bit, what I wrote can be found in any insider interview on sites like ANN, and I never implied it's me who found that out on my own. Generally worse means that good examples are actually an exception, so no, that's doesn't mean you don't dismiss older anime. You could just say that you don't prefer historical, slice of life or mecha genres, and be done with, but you dismiss decades of animation just because action anime is more your thing and disguise it as a trend. And what trend is that by the way? And repetition, heh, coming from a passionate One Piece fan. |
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| Probably less people who watch them. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: Probably less people who watch them. But people always it's saying that Gintama have 5 spots on the the top 10 for it's small fanbase, so having less people should be positive according to that. |
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dboy13 said: cause some of the art and animation is ugly af because of this kind of people |
STOP SLEEPING ON ODD TAXI |
Praland said: Sequels don't count - someone who doesn't like X is most likely not going to watch the second X, which makes it end up with less members who've seen it, a higher percentage of people who will love it, and a higher average. But people always it's saying that Gintama have 5 spots on the the top 10 for it's small fanbase, so having less people should be positive according to that. More people have dropped Gintama than seen many revered classics. |
TonyThemeAug 28, 2015 11:07 AM
| Older series don't have low ratings, it's new series that have ratings that are too high. |
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DmonHiro said: It's actually quite easy. There aren't that many people who watch older shows. Those that do are usually older fans who tend to be much more critical then most. So, they give lower scores. This exactly. |
| Older shows are usually only watched by experienced fans who are generally harsher when rating. Also more length in shows usually translates to more repetition of the same tired old formula to milk more seasons out of it, which doesn't go over well with many people. Length and quality in the same package is an extremely rare thing that only a god-tier writer can pull off with a long complex and engaging story full of twists and turns and not everyone can write like that. In addition to that just, because something is old or good enough to finish watching doesn't mean it's great. 6s and 7s are also perfectly reasonable scores to give to something you liked. |
KruszerAug 28, 2015 1:17 PM
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FGAU1912 said: That would just encourage more people to watch 5 minutes of episode 1, drop it, and give it a 1/10 and say "my opinion matters."most of the top 100 is a joke cuase of how the ratings systems work or how undemocraticly they work its not one vote one rating thus mal favor over al populisi over fact |
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| Remember when everyone talked about how old anime is so much better? Things have changed. |
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ShiroiMuffler said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: Let's blame the new fans then! Logically speaking, it must be the reason old animu is rated poorly! Actually, why do so many people get annoyed by ratings on mal? It is simply a number. Yes and it's all subjective. Let's try not to oversimplify here, those numbers clearly affect what people will watch. Who cares what others watch though? Let's face it, nobody who whines about ratings cares what others will or won't watch. They for some reason worry and get sad that their favorite anime is rated lowly. Its not an issue tbh. |
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romagia said: being watched only by people with lower average scores might have something to do with it I'm usually pretty on the ball with rankings stuff in general, but I never really thought about this in regards to old anime. This makes a hell of a lot of sense. |
TheBrainintheJar said: Remember when everyone talked about how old anime is so much better? Things have changed. This is cyclical from what I've seen. Around half a year from now we'll likely be right back to older anime being the greatest in existence. OT: I'm of the opinion that those who tend to use the full rating scale are also those who are more likely to be interested in older anime. Newer anime get a lot more of the 7-10 rating folk. |
TripleSRank said: TheBrainintheJar said: Remember when everyone talked about how old anime is so much better? Things have changed. This is cyclical from what I've seen. Around half a year from now we'll likely be right back to older anime being the greatest in existence. OT: I'm of the opinion that those who tend to use the full rating scale are also those who are more likely to be interested in older anime. Newer anime get a lot more of the 7-10 rating folk. I'm waiting for "Middle period anime is better than both old and new". |
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| Because they are all slow paced.... and they are not as enjoyable as shorter series like FMAB, CG.... |
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| I like how not one has considered the possibility that maybe these shows you speak of are, perhaps, not as good as you think they are and as such, it is reflected on the score? But of course, it can't be that. It's totally because of the newbies. |
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yhunata said: I like how not one has considered the possibility that maybe these shows you speak of are, perhaps, not as good as you think they are and as such, it is reflected on the score? But of course, it can't be that. It's totally because of the newbies. Oh please, don't be so full of it. From the top: |
| Because noobs are baptized with current anime. They never heard of old anime. |
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Ckan said: yhunata said: I like how not one has considered the possibility that maybe these shows you speak of are, perhaps, not as good as you think they are and as such, it is reflected on the score? But of course, it can't be that. It's totally because of the newbies. Oh please, don't be so full of it. From the top: You beat me to it :( |
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