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Kellhus said: Stands. Hamon. They're both bullshit superpowers. What they are isn't important. Yes you can argue there's artistic flavor in the design of some Stands, but in the end, they're both bullshit superpowers. That isn't why JoJo is a remarkable series by any means.Yes, Stands are new because Araki was the first to do them in this context. It's not nonsense, but your argument sure seems to be. Everything you are saying here could just as easily by applied to parts 1/2. Hamon is surely a more "terrible" excuse for superpowers than the wildly imaginative encounters and designs that Stands bring to the game. Also they came out in the mid-80s, not that the date is especially important. Most of what you are saying here seems to be driven entirely by opinion as well. Pulling the "nothing is original" card after getting called out doesn't help your case either. Phantom Blood is literally an amalgamation of various popular media at the time, namely Hokuto no Ken and Castlevania. To consider a dude going around punching zombies Kenshiro style more creative than the Stand battles that SC presents is frankly asinine. Every damn observation ever made is opinion. So you're bringing up a redundant fact. However you're missing the bigger point about the significance of plot versus execution. Plot or what an author chooses to write about isn't creative, because every plot premise that ever existed is always based on something else. HOW they write it on the other hand, there's more nuance and variation in the ways the author can make it either compelling or relatable based on cultural appeal.I'll also point out that BT handles back-story more or less in the same manner as SC. We know very little about Caesar until his tiny back-story arc, Joseph is presented in the same manner as Jotaro but with a different personality, no development for anyone overall really. No characters throughout the entirety of the PB/BT arcs receive much of any notable or significant character development that is worth contrasting against SC. If anything Polnareff is the most developed character so far so the point is moot anyway. But that's not the focus here and isn't required for it to be entertaining. It's not fine literature, it's about punching people in the face, and Jojo delivers that in spades. The first four episodes of PB present more main character development than the 24 episodes of SC, just to make a point clear. Granted, those are effectively the main episodes where the characters actually get developed, but regardless it's well paced characterization that tells you who Jonathan and Dio are, as well as what really defines them. Polnareff over about 8 or so episodes gets somewhat comparable character development, except his backstory is effectively really random and has no real ties to anything else that matters in the series. Who is Sherry Polnareff outside of being a minor plot device that motivates him? BT has WAY superior characterization of villains and pretty good development for Joseph. Anyhow though, even in spite of relatively limited time, BT succeeds in creating villain characters that are memorable, having personalities that have an impact on the protagonist Joseph. Wham's a pretty obvious example of this. In the limited time that Joseph knows him, he and Wham reach a level of respect for their ideals. Also, JoJo isn't simply about punching people in the face. There's plenty of shows that do that. There are far fewer shows that deliberately maintain comic-book style flow, dramatic palette swaps, and straight faced over the top dialogue and posing. These elements, while maintained in SC, however don't feel nearly as good when most of the characters and events are just frankly less interesting. The primary good things about SC is it fulfills the most basic requirements of action entertainment, which is visceral enjoyment. SC's most redeeming quality is its soundtrack, which helps given action entertainment is generally speaking infinitely worse without a good soundtrack. |
A2ZOMGSep 13, 2014 2:38 AM
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| oh man i just love me some jojo gonna be lame as hell waiting for the second cour |
MiMi3016Sep 13, 2014 3:27 AM
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| another season fuck yeah!!! |
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Tyrel said: So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something? Anyway, good series all around but S1 was a lot better. The whole stand thing is a bit eh. Through their stands. Well, I can't really blame new fans to doubt Stands, I mean, I have to admit that when I was reading early SC I was as much doubtful as them but at the same time curious since I wondered how Araki could have improved his concept even more, and I was genuinely amazed by how it turned out then. A2ZOMG said: Stands. Hamon. They're both bullshit superpowers. What they are isn't important. Yes you can argue there's artistic flavor in the design of some Stands, but in the end, they're both bullshit superpowers. That isn't why JoJo is a remarkable series by any means. Is that your opinion or are you stating a fact? Because it sounded much like the latter. Anyway JoJo has a lot good points that makes it a remarkable series, and one of them is certainly the Stands concept, no doubts about that. I don't think JoJo could have lasted for 27 bloody years without Stands that give limitless choices and a continuinity of originality to Araki's fresh ideas. You were saying before something like creativity doesn't come from the plot but by how is it executed right? And that's it, SC's plot doesn't want to be creative, the battle system does. A battle system where there are "rules", and rivals have to fight against each other following these rules, it doesn't matter if you're skilled/unskilled, it doesn't matter if your Stand is generally "lame", you have to completely use to your advantage the weakness of your opponents and to take advantage of the place where you're fighting, even a MC could die by any moment if they do not play their cards right. These thrilling factors will take a lot more of importance as the story goes on, and the absurdity and weirdness of Stands will reach whole new levels that can't simply be predicted. That's why you can't expect fine literatures skills and deep development from SC's characters, it doesn't want to be that. Furthermore I'd say Araki's skills at this point were still quite "raw", I mean he first tries to settle the major points of a shounen, that is the battle. Then after he's confident enough he tries new things as he expands the "depth" of his characters. |
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straggy said: Tyrel said: So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something? He talked underwater before this, in the episode with the sea captain way back in the first cour. They explained it briefly then, although I really don't remember exactly what the reason was. It was some bullshit about stand powers, though. I think the way they talk underwater is that the stands are doing the talking for them. Their voice is coming from the stands. |
| 24 episodes to reach Egypt, that's one hell of a long trip. How well did DP do on the adaptation of what is maybe the weakest part of all the saga ? Good, pretty good. DP's take on stand's formula is nothing short of a success, one may argue about the slow pace but they did everything to make it as enjoyable as possible. But this is only the beginning, the real Stardust Crusaders starts on January. |
| The sound effects in the OP were pretty annoying to be honest, wonder what's the deal with that. The hand signals gag was as hilarious as in the manga but the Midler fight has to be one of my least favorite fights in this adaption, even with those nice action scenes of Silver Chariot. The fillers were pretty enjoyable as usual, especially the scene with Dio, because Dio is perfection. I wonder who killed that Speedwagon Foundation guy. Maybe I'll take my time catching up on Jojolion until January. Yeah, that's a good idea. |
OLDNEWGOODBADSep 13, 2014 5:37 AM
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SpaceRadio said: 24 episodes to reach Egypt, that's one hell of a long trip. How well did DP do on the adaptation of what is maybe the weakest part of all the saga ? Good, pretty good. DP's take on stand's formula is nothing short of a success, one may argue about the slow pace but they did everything to make it as enjoyable as possible. But this is only the beginning, the real Stardust Crusaders starts on January. I can only second what you have wrote. Early SC is just Araki warming up to the new concept he created, the first fight in January should be more than enough to keep everyone hooked again. IFuckedAPie said: I wonder killed that Speedwagon Foundation guy. |
NidhoeggrSep 13, 2014 5:40 AM
| Jojolion anime when? |
| waiting |
| "Holy shiiiit!" Amazing, can't wait for the next part. |
| Oh man that was good. Hard to believe half a year went by and I'll miss seeing JoJo every week for now. Putting that aside great ep. I didn't really think this would be a good point to end this but I'm glad they made it seem that the journey is far from over yet. Well see you in 2015, JoJo! Sent with Mal Updater |
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| [quote=wigglejelly]I thought they would fight with Dio and end this anime. This is unexpected to end like this. Anyways soon enough we'll get to see the fight with Dio next year. :D Best show ever. It's supposed to be a hand gesture. How did they talk underwater ? [/They have the stand talk for them. The voice is transmitted through the stands. I think thats how they explained it. |
A2ZOMG said: Yes, because that is very, very easy to come by action entertainment with this caliber of quality and camp.The primary good things about SC is it fulfills the most basic requirements of action entertainment, which is visceral enjoyment. |
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Haytin said: Was liking this anime until around episode 16. Huge fucking let down overall though, and this season finale was garbage. I have no clue why this anime is so fucking padded out. Honestly wish I knew that going in so I could just watch up to episode 3, and just wait for the Dio fight. 1/5 It was not padded out, it is exactly how it was in the manga (plus some filler). And it is not the season finale it is only the first half. I will say the 2nd half is significantly better than the 1st. I admit Stardust Crusaders did not age well. And if you are going to ignore everything that isn't Dio then you should not even bother with the rest of the series. There is far more memorable things then just the final battle with Dio in Stardust. The egyptian gods do not deserved to be ignored. |
| What a great fucking episode. I've still got goosebumps from the Opening with soundeffects. Jotaro is the only hero guy who I don't mind being OP as fuck he is just too cool. And for some reason the defeated Stand montage made me tear up. Also some DIO. I was really hoping we would get some DIO this episode. Just beautiful and I'm so fucking hyped for the Egypt Arc. I love you Jojo. Also I can't wait for D'arby. |
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T3hSource said: Yes, because that is very, very easy to come by action entertainment with this caliber of quality and camp. fruits_punch said: It was not padded out, it is exactly how it was in the manga (plus some filler). And it is not the season finale it is only the first half. I will say the 2nd half is significantly better than the 1st. I admit Stardust Crusaders did not age well. And if you are going to ignore everything that isn't Dio then you should not even bother with the rest of the series. There is far more memorable things then just the final battle with Dio in Stardust. The egyptian gods do not deserved to be ignored. Indeed, and it's not like manga readers told people that things would change MONTHS in advance... if you don't even inform yourself and just can't get into episodic stuff, fine. But don't blame the series - despite all its shortcomings that were more than often communicated by the manga readers beforehand - for your inability. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
| Good episode. Star Platinum going to work on those teeth was awesome. Lol Polnareff with the no comment after seeing her face. Can't wait for the next season. |
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| Nice ending for the season 9/10 DIAMONDS?! :O PART 4 CONFIRMED! Finally that sh!tty walk like an egyptian ed song is gone, I only listened to it once then skipped it every time but at least it fit the theme for part 1 so it's okay I guess :( |
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| Absolutely fantastic adaptation! Huge props to David Production for the amazing work they've done so far and I hope they go ahead and adapt every part of the manga eventually!!! Can't wait for January already! And finally get to see the fabulous bastard DIO in action!!! ~ZA WARUDO!!! 10/10! |
| Jan 2015? Why have to wait that long? I thought there is lots of material. Would be great if next season we got not only Stand users,but also bringing back the vampire. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| I didn't even realize this was the last episode until 2/3rds through. Overall not quite as good as the first 2 parts. Even by the end, I don't like stands as much as the ripple. |
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| How did Kakyoin know what Ponnareff was saying with that complicated hand sign? > "I can see you pantsu." XD Nice attempt to seduce the Stand user. Jotaro pulled it off pretty good, though it didn't really work. XD Good to see Dio again after so long. This guy is fabulous as ever! Great ending to the 1st season. 9/10. Looking forward to the next one. |
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| Definitely worth the wait and searching of random sites to find a decent quality sub. Great way to end the first half of the series. I don't know how I'll make it until January without my weekly dose of Jojo but knowing that the second half is much better than the first half of SC should help. And we'll finally get to see Dio Brando! He literally walked up a wall all horror movie style lol. |
LocalAfricanSep 13, 2014 10:07 AM
| Fuck it. Every signature I upload ends up removed anyways. |
| Awesome first half. Can't wait for Jan 2015! |
Stay in yesterday 時を止めて |
IFuckedAPie said: The sound effects in the OP were pretty annoying to be honest, wonder what's the deal with that. They did that in the last episode of Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency, too. It's pretty likely that it means there will be an OP change. |
| loved it. don't feel like reviewing stardust crusaders yet when the arc is only half way done still gave it a ten because it is an incredibly faithful and enjoyable adaptation jojo is something special and people will love it or hate it |
| I haven't looked so forward to watching an anime every week in a long ass time. Thank you Jojo for brightening my weekends! See you next time! Solid 8/10 for first half. |
| Awesome episode, Jojo will be missed. |
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| JoJo gang criteria to save an opponent : is she a chick? No? Well, fuck her. Didn't she knew that diamond is incredibly hard, but also greatly fragile. It doesn't make a good protection... This season really lakced of DIOOOOOO :( |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| While I'm still enjoying it, one of the weaker parts for me so far. (I've skipped ahead in the manga and read part 4, and halfway through part 5 now, but decided to watch this one unfold as is since it won't take a few years to get on TV). Part 4 was fantastic, fav so far by far. Then I just loved Joseph as a MC. Part one was good, but not all that great. That said, it was only 9 episodes, so yea. Part 5 is pretty fabulous so far. Of the 3 "stand" seasons so far that I've been dealing with, 3 is the weakest in my opinion. (Will be hard to top 4, but I'm gonna read them all once I'm done with part 5) |
| Dat underwear joke acknowledgement tho! |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| Not as good as the first season IMHO, but still fabulously entertaining stuff. Jojo just looks and feels different than any other series out there. On that basis alone it's must watch stuff. I'm looking greatly forward to seeing the Egypt arc come january. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Vexper said: Juusan13 said: I really don't understand the new fans, some of these comments are just crazy. In future, if you could be a good sport and play the part of veteran elitist properly, educate the new fans on why their comments are crazy. Shit posting snarky remarks doesn't really help them 'see the light'. Where's the JoJo ardour gone? ;o Anyway, looking forward to the next installment, I hope this journey was worth it :D |
| Good final episode (Censors aside). A Great season again IMO, Jojo's always entertaining. Bring on season 2. |
ET93Sep 13, 2014 2:22 PM
| With the defeat of High Priestess, Jotaro and the gang are now hot on Dio's heels. With only two Major Arcana cards left, it appears that their long journey is reaching its final stretch. However questions remain: just where in Egypt is Dio? Who are those 9 cloaked figures? Will it be smooth sailing for the Crusaders from here onwards (*coughunlikelycough*)? We'll just have to wait till next year to find out! Alpharon said: Manliest handshake ever. |
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| I just wanna know if the High Priestess user was hot or not |
Qans said: I just wanna know if the High Priestess user was hot or not  |
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Juusan13 said: Qans said: I just wanna know if the High Priestess user was hot or not Damn she's bangin. What a shame |
| Gah! I thought there was one more episode left after this one. Too bad. Oh, well. See you in January, JoJo. Sucks that they split up Stardust Crusaders. Can't say I understand the reasons for why they did that when originally, they said it was going to air for a whole year. |
| Damn I don't know if I should wait for the anime or go ahead and read the manga. |
| I just love Star Platinum when he wilds out! "Holy shit!!" "Oh, my God!!" I wanted to see Rose's face. I'm sure she looked hideous just like her Stand, but with busted teeth. I don't know what Grandma Suzie was talking about. Jotaro ALWAYS sounds serious. The wait until January 2015 is going to kill me. Sent with Mal Updater |
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| Ohhhhh the hype for the second season is real :3 |
-Envy- said: Ohhhhh the hype for the second season is real :3 Wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !!! |
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Holmes15 said: There's also the first two episodes of the 1993 OVA.Damn I don't know if I should wait for the anime or go ahead and read the manga. |
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Mormegil said: Gah! I thought there was one more episode left after this one. Too bad. Oh, well. See you in January, JoJo. Sucks that they split up Stardust Crusaders. Can't say I understand the reasons for why they did that when originally, they said it was going to air for a whole year. The budget is my (optimistic) guess. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| What a great way to end the first part of the journey. Kakyoin and Polnareff's exchange was so dumb but it made me laugh and cheered me up considerably. I've come to really like our merry band (even Jotaro, the punk!) and I'm seriously looking forward the crazy stuff that I expect will happen in Egypt. 8/10 I guess sound effects in the OP for the last part of the series is going to be a thing now? |
CookieBun said: I guess sound effects in the OP for the last part of the series is going to be a thing now? It's always been a thing. When they show an opening for the last time, they add sound effects. They did that for Part 1 and 2, so it makes sense that they do it for Part 3 too. EDIT: I forgot, the last part 1 episode only had sound effects in the blu-ray version, but the aired version of Part 2 had sound effects too. |
GyroSpinSep 14, 2014 12:07 AM
| Such a disappointment, 4/10. |
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