Zankyou no Terror Episode 7 Discussion

banco said:
soo..this was 10 days ago iirc? where's episode 8?
my bad if this was previously discussed or there's something obvious i'm missing.

SkyJW said:


Apparently the 8th Episode wasn't broadcast in Japan this past Thursday so Funimation wasn't able to simulcast it in the states as a result. The normal schedule will resume this Thursday when Episode 8 comes out.

Stark700 said:
Episode 7 PV is out:

Stark700 said:
Episode 7 PV is out:

Stark700 said:
Episode 7 PV is out:

WorldInverse said:


uh why do people say Lisa died on that PV? No God, no ;_;

Outlander said:
I gotta say it: I hate that "Five" character. The series was really good until she apeared, but it started going down with absurd ideas with her.
'cause a dumbass girl have the power to rule FBI and the governement of the USA that orders the japanease governement to listen to them (Wtf?) and plants bombs to kill innocent people? Where does THAT makes ANY sense?
I'm mad.

BlackAngel5 said:
However, I was wondering, how did Nine know which chess pieces Five was moving? All I saw on the monitors were the moves (B4, F6, etc), so how did he know which chess piece goes where? Did I miss something?

TripleSRank said:
I have one very important question: How do you predict the location of a checkmate in chess before you play?

Any takers? No?

TripleSRank said:
Also, planes don't work that way. Autopilot wouldn't do that. It's comparable to thinking cruise control will drive your car for you.

TripleSRank said:
The use of chess made no sense in the first place, anyway. Five wants to play with Sphinx? Seriously? If we assume she could have placed the bomb on the fly (negating the above), she could have blew the bomb without all of that fanfare. It would have been much more clean and she wouldn't have Shibazaki on her back. Heck, she could have put it directly in the terminal rather than on the plane, and killed Lisa later. It's common sense. -.-;

TripleSRank said:
The character depth wasn't touched. I honestly have no idea where they plan to take this now. The whole plot seems to have derailed.

TripleSRank said:
It's a plot hole. There are situations where more than one piece can move to a given square. While she did call out her moves, which piece was moved wasn't indicated on the monitors, which is pretty important in this odd sort of situation, no?

pakoko said:


Where in the show does it ever say 9 and 12 (or 5) predicted the location of a checkmate before they played? The whole reason you see 9 running around for the first half of episode 7 is because 5 and 9 are playing the game. 5 projects a move on the screen and 9 makes his move by moving to a certain location in the airport. 9 eventually looks far enough ahead to predict a checkmate (which is very much possible after you've made sufficient amount of moves), and relays the position of the final piece that will lead to a checkmate to 12.

pakoko said:


Congrats you know a little more about planes than the majority of MAL, but I don't see how that's relevant to anything.

pakoko said:


Lol can't say much here. It's not really revealed why she would use the chess method, besides the fact that 5 and 9 have an unfinished game from the past. I feel like the writers just wrote something interesting and didn't realize how stupid it was until it was aired.

"It's common sense." Wow, it's common sense to you to know how to efficiently blow up airports? You're amazing.

pakoko said:


You expect character depth to be touched in a tense situation of having to save Lisa and all of Haneda Airport from getting bombed within a certain time limit... lol such high expectations. The whole plot only seems to have derailed if you keep treating every single thing about the show as "not making sense," when you're really just confusing yourself by asking random questions like "How do you predict a checkmate before you even play?"

pakoko said:


You should do some research on chess if you're going to criticize the show for using it. Moves like "Nh2" means Knight to h2, unless you really thought there was a space on the chessboard that reads "Nh." And if you're wondering then how does Nine convey which move he wants to make? He needs to basically move to the location of the piece that he wants to move and move to the location of the airport that he wants to move the piece to.

TripleSRank said:

This is assumes she can place the bomb quickly and without being noticed by airport staff. I find that to be a stretch for the FBI since they're in Japan, but if said assumption is correct, see the below.

TripleSRank said:
She couldn't have delivered the bomb that way. That's pretty relevant.

TripleSRank said:
Regarding common sense: I didn't say that it was common sense to know how to efficiently blow up airports. Don't misread.

TripleSRank said:
Five is being sold to us as a woman who was once a gifted child who received special training to make the most of her intelligence. If one has the know-how and capability to place bombs undetected quickly, as is required for Five to do what she did as per your own argument above, then yes, it is common sense to do so without drawing attention to yourself. Five could have skipped the whole chess game and blew whatever portion of the airport she wished. Shibazaki and co. wouldn't have found out it was her, and Sphinx would have taken all the blame. It's much cleaner that way.

Even if she played her chess game anyway for some currently unexplainable reason (other than being a bit delusional, I guess), Five could have waited to kill Lisa another time. By placing Lisa with the bomb, Five alerted Nine and Twelve to its location, and by proxy Shibazaki. That's a stupid decision: When you're committing a terrorist attack, especially one that you're trying to blame on someone else (and especially when that someone is trying to stop you), you don't draw attention to the threat or yourself.

Yet further, had Five placed the bomb in (for illustration's sake) a bathroom and tied Lisa up in said room, there would be no reason for someone to attempt to stop a plane in the air tower where she just so happened to be. When you combine that with the incapability of a plane to move on its own like that in the first place, the narrative becomes somewhat moronic. Shibazaki shouldn't have been able to discover that Five was behind this, beyond plot holes (the plane's "cruise control") and dumb planning on Five's part.

TripleSRank said:
Are you implying that tense situations don't provide good opportunities for character development? I'm not saying this would make good narrative sense or that it should have happened, but for example's sake, what if Nine had shot Five? That would have opened the doorway for quite a bit of character development. They didn't provide themselves with any good way to develop the characters in the airport when they could have. (Heck, they could have done something totally different than this airport scenario if they wanted to.)

TripleSRank said:
The whole chess business should have just been skipped tbh. It's opened up too many problems.

pakoko said:

Yeah I think we have to assume that. Since the bomb was in a briefcase, it was probably hard to notice anything out of the ordinary by the police. Also we have to assume that Five knew where the game would generally end, so she asked Clarence to place the bomb on a plane (and throw an "extended the invitation" to Lisa) so it's more flexible as to where she can drive the plane to. But that's extra assumptions that's not directly said by the anime, so I understand your frustration.

I think we both agree at this point that the airport chess scene is full of things that don't really make sense when thought out logically.

pakoko said:

Wait, I thought someone was controlling the plane's movement from the control tower. You're saying people can't control airplanes to move to a certain location after inputting coordinates? The plane wasn't on autopilot, it was being maneuvered by someone the in the control tower.

pakoko said:

Well, you're right. The airport scene really doesn't redeem itself even after I've rewatched it, so I can't necessarily say why Five would have made such a big show about things if she had the means to do it in a much more boring but safe way. I'm sure the writers for those episodes were not great. I heard there were different writers for every 3 episodes or so, so we see a huge dip around 6 and 7.

One thing I do want you to be clear on though:

Five did not take Shibasaki into account. She didn't expect Shibasaki and co. to come to the airport. She didn't even know who they were since she put all of the Japanese police force on standby. She didn't expect them to show up and ruin her plans, nor did she know that 9 had connections to someone like Shibasaki. She thought she could make a big show of things because she thought the airport would be a controlled environment in which she can do anything and no one will come to stop her. It's analogous to 5 overlooking a bunch of mice trapped in a cage, but she didn't see that one of the mice in her other cage, Shibasaki, had escaped to bite 5 in the ass by surprise. So despite the fact that Five's plan was overblown, she legitimately thought she would have succeeded in ruining 9 and 12's plans and killing Lisa at once: killing two birds with one stone. She felt the freedom to carry out her plan however she wanted, and she even put 9 and 12 in a situation in which they would be forced to make a hard decision of whether they should save Lisa or save the people at the airport. Without Shibasaki, her plan would have worked no matter how unnecessarily complex it was. The key point here is "without Shibasaki," so Five didn't know that her games were catching the attention of a third party.

pakoko said:

Sorry, I don't do "what ifs." I accept what the story ends up doing and go from there, I will never complain about what could have been done. Anyway, there was no way they could fit in character development with all the other stuff happening in that episode. If the writer took the route that you preferred -- 5 carrying out a much cleaner plan to capture 9 and 12 -- then yes, they could have squeezed in some character development.

Well, this show doesn't seem that it will go into any more character development than we expect, so I can only say that we should lower our expectations in terms of character development.

PrimeX said:
Damn I knew letting that newbie, Lisa, will be their undoing. Doing something as easy like that and she acted like she just murdered a lot of people. I don't know but if I was her I can act as if nothing happened and not because I'm used to doing that but because of my fear of getting caught. Sometimes fear is the greatest motivation.

pakoko said:
"You should have sacrificed your queen" -Nine to Twelve in episode 4.

These words are foreshadowing the consequences Nine and Twelve must face because they now BOTH decided to make Lisa an accomplice. Five will surely make Nine and Twelve regret letting Lisa on board, but I'm not looking forward to it :(

Just your typical cat-and-mouse chase with a "just in the nick of time" resolution. Nonetheless an intense episode.

The only thing that bothered me was the lack of attention to the chess game. For anyone who's not familiar with chess, it literally seems like they are just spouting out moves. I thought there would be a greater meaning and reason to playing chess (of all games) in an airport, besides determining the location of the bomb, but the chess and the bombing didn't go too well in my opinion.

Barion-Zara said:
Intense stuff. Still don't get how they're allowing Five to do all this shit <_< It's ridiculous that she has this much authority.