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Feb 4, 2022 7:28 AM
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Holy shit, this epsiode like a real supernatural thriller, not just with the action but also psychological impact on the cast. The curses in this anime is no joke.

On the other hand, I like how confident Vanitas is when confronting Chloe and trying to take back what was he (with some light comedy elements)

Incredible music too. One of the best episodes in this franchise imo.
Feb 4, 2022 7:29 AM
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Feb 4, 2022 8:57 AM
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Jean-Jacques is really committed to keep Chloé away from Noe, despite not knowing that he could peer into his memories when Jean forced his blood onto him.

The d'Apchier Family has seen its fair share of controversies, from the uncanny experiments to adopting Chloé, kniwng fully well that she's the Silver Witch, with the people's loathing Jean for his amount of anger to tide over and eventually become the Beast of Gévaudan. The essence of the Hellfire Witch Jeanne coming back for her as a dear sister, and the effect of the curse-bearer malnomen inflicting words like knives, it's a double whammy.

At least Vanitas is able to knock some sense into Noé and get into action, but meeting Astolfo along the way, while Jeanne fights back with the Beast, and Vanitas finding Chloé herself to retrieve back his Book and stop the World Formula's tampering from the Alteration Engine to turn Naenia into a being...lots of things happening at one go, while trouble spews more.
Feb 4, 2022 9:20 AM
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Not gonna lie long-haired Jeanne is also great, but wow, I didn't expect Jean-Jacques to be the beast himself!!
Feb 4, 2022 10:14 AM
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I found some parts a little confusing, but you can understand the main points. I'm looking forward to hearing about Chloé's goal.
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Feb 4, 2022 11:15 AM
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Well, as an anime series separate from the manga, it was good, but as a film adaptation, absolutely terrible, by 1. They cut the chapters in three, cut out heaps of everything: even Vanitas saving Noe from the wolves and Dante Vanitas, and also cut out Chloe dolls
Feb 4, 2022 11:37 AM
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Not a bad or dull episode necessarily in a vacuum but it was a bit of a mess admittedly.
Feb 4, 2022 11:44 AM
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It was a great episode. I loved how they rearranged the events and everything. Especially the changes.
I was a bit worried on how they would handle the beast reveal though. Was not DISSAPPOINTED AT ALL!
I wont be surprised if they would add the missing details where we would least expect them to be and thats what I love about this adaptation. Its unexpected and different from the manga itself while all the story is still there. And due to that it is able to capture the essence of a mochizuki tale in the form of a tv series
THe music choices in particular were great.
Not to mention the animation. Loved it
On a side note, Mochizuki must be involved since we didnt get a chapter again or i dont see how they could rearrange like that...
Edit: Still waiting for the glimpses of how jeanne became a bearrue
234MannanFeb 4, 2022 11:57 AM
Feb 4, 2022 11:45 AM
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Ririnka-kota said:
Well, as an anime series separate from the manga, it was good, but as a film adaptation, absolutely terrible, by 1. They cut the chapters in three, cut out heaps of everything: even Vanitas saving Noe from the wolves and Dante Vanitas, and also cut out Chloe dolls
The wolves were cut from the start of the series though. So i dont think it would have fit the situation they were in. About dante, i think they are going to add him in the next episode with him.
Feb 4, 2022 1:28 PM

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Chloe is a pocket gigachad

I really hope they show the skipped content later.

Also Vani took riding Jeanne too literally
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Feb 4, 2022 1:50 PM
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Hmm, the episodes get more interesting but there's something to the series that feels a bit off. The episodes end way too fast and it's not because the anime is special or anything... Feels like a lot of time is wasted, idk... Also a lot of things are summarized very fast so the stories always feel dry and fast paced with little effort put into it.

Nonetheless I really hope that Noe becomes useful, I'm starting to like Vanitas more and more and it's not because he's interesting but because he actually solves things and has some brain :) I know that they wanted to make Noe seem naive and cute yet ready to fight anyone in order to protect his friends but come on... Give him some more brain cells.
Feb 4, 2022 2:11 PM

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Morssee said:
Hmm, the episodes get more interesting but there's something to the series that feels a bit off. The episodes end way too fast and it's not because the anime is special or anything... Feels like a lot of time is wasted, idk... Also a lot of things are summarized very fast so the stories always feel dry and fast paced with little effort put into it.

Nonetheless I really hope that Noe becomes useful, I'm starting to like Vanitas more and more and it's not because he's interesting but because he actually solves things and has some brain :) I know that they wanted to make Noe seem naive and cute yet ready to fight anyone in order to protect his friends but come on... Give him some more brain cells.
Bruh...you do know what putting an effort actually means right?Seems like you dont really understand the show tbh..
Feb 4, 2022 2:31 PM
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a manga reader here so I knew what would happen but I the music and voice acting make the series worth watching. the art is much better in manga tho. but the moment between vanitas and cloe broke me ("I failed to remove it so I just left it lying around""oh noooo. DONT TELL ME YOU'RE ANOTHER SPATIALLY CHALLENGED VAMPIRE??" ~i didn't lose it. I put it down somewhere!~)
Feb 4, 2022 2:34 PM

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This episode was amazing, probably my favorite so far.
This series continues to amaze and surprise me every week, can'r wait for the nexr episode.
Feb 4, 2022 3:04 PM
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234Mannan said:
Bruh...you do know what putting an effort actually means right?Seems like you dont really understand the show tbh..


No I don't, enlighten me bud.
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Feb 4, 2022 3:12 PM

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Jfc Vanitas' legs must be made of steel or something. Dude was yeeted from like 50m in the air onto a hard castle roof lmao.
Feb 4, 2022 3:25 PM

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Jfc Vanitas' legs must be made of steel or something. Dude was yeeted from like 50m in the air onto a hard castle roof lmao.
A castle which was filled with soft packs of ice :) He has supernatural reflexes in general though.
Feb 4, 2022 5:49 PM

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It was a great episode.

BTW why is murr-chan so adorable.
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Feb 4, 2022 5:49 PM

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Jean-Jacques is the beast and not Chloe, that threw me off. Didn't expect to see this development. Another development is the cliffhanger, I have no clue on who's side Chloe is.. Definitely felt that she made that machine to get rid of Charlatan instead.

Jeanne with long hair is a blessing.... I kinda prefer that over her short hair.
Feb 4, 2022 6:09 PM
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Woah! So Jean Jacques is the real Beast of Gévaudan, and he became the beast for Chloé sake! Poor Jean Jacques, mistreated by his father and even tried to killed him.

Vanitas is Noé's light. Noé asked if everyone is okay but not Vanitas, so he's sulking. Noé is kinda dense sometimes. Murr uppercut! lmao. Didn't expect that Vanitas will wipe Noé's blood, and even agreed to Noé's plan to save Chloé and Jean Jacques. I guess, Vanitas is truly liking Noé's company.

Twist in the beginning and twist in the end. Chloé's target is Naenia?!!!

Feb 4, 2022 6:16 PM
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Horrible episode.
Morssee said:
Hmm, the episodes get more interesting but there's something to the series that feels a bit off. The episodes end way too fast and it's not because the anime is special or anything... Feels like a lot of time is wasted, idk... Also a lot of things are summarized very fast so the stories always feel dry and fast paced with little effort put into it.

Nonetheless I really hope that Noe becomes useful, I'm starting to like Vanitas more and more and it's not because he's interesting but because he actually solves things and has some brain :) I know that they wanted to make Noe seem naive and cute yet ready to fight anyone in order to protect his friends but come on... Give him some more brain cells.
Anime only? I can't blame you if you didn't understand a thing about Noè's purpose and actions because Bones fucked everything up. And I agree, everything is so rushed, they cut a lot of scenes that they think unnecessary but really needed in order to fully understand what's happening. I feel like watching random events takes place. This anime adaptation is really dry. The manga helped me a lot to atleast don't drop this anime.
Feb 4, 2022 6:42 PM

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AjiX101 said:
Horrible episode.
Morssee said:
Hmm, the episodes get more interesting but there's something to the series that feels a bit off. The episodes end way too fast and it's not because the anime is special or anything... Feels like a lot of time is wasted, idk... Also a lot of things are summarized very fast so the stories always feel dry and fast paced with little effort put into it.

Nonetheless I really hope that Noe becomes useful, I'm starting to like Vanitas more and more and it's not because he's interesting but because he actually solves things and has some brain :) I know that they wanted to make Noe seem naive and cute yet ready to fight anyone in order to protect his friends but come on... Give him some more brain cells.
Anime only? I can't blame you if you didn't understand a thing about Noè's purpose and actions because Bones fucked everything up. And I agree, everything is so rushed, they cut a lot of scenes that they think unnecessary but really needed in order to fully understand what's happening. I feel like watching random events takes place. This anime adaptation is really dry. The manga helped me a lot to atleast don't drop this anime.


4 chapters were adapted in this episode. Content was cut from each chapter adapted, which is why it feels so rushed because all the scenes are messily cobbled together. Though I'm assuming the next ep will show more of Noe's and Astolfo's fight. But they already cut out everything from


I'm not even a super dedicated fan of the manga because I only started reading it once the anime started. But I do think this anime adaptation is very average so far, but there's still enough episodes to salvage it. Maybe.

It's by no means a terrible adaptation. It just could be better. imo the award for worst adaptation this season goes to Requiem of the Rose King, which I dropped after the second episode...
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Nice one Chloe. So far the events are good.


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Feb 4, 2022 9:45 PM

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This felt too packed for a single episode, the turn is interesting but the amount of parallel events that were delivered at the same time made it kind of ugly and overbearing



Feb 4, 2022 9:55 PM

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Whoa a lot of things happened in this episode, firstly Noe finds out the truth through the memories of Jean and yeah he later meets up with Vanitas who brings him back to reality lol
Anyways I still don't know what exactly Chloe's after with that sudden change of events in the ending......Can't wait to see next week's episode!!!!!
Feb 5, 2022 4:05 AM

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holy fk , this episode is outstanding !!
Feb 5, 2022 11:00 AM

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Jean-Jacques cared so much for Chloe that he turned into a beast for her sake :(
Feb 5, 2022 2:36 PM
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Anime only? I can't blame you if you didn't understand a thing about Noè's purpose and actions because Bones fucked everything up. And I agree, everything is so rushed, they cut a lot of scenes that they think unnecessary but really needed in order to fully understand what's happening. I feel like watching random events takes place. This anime adaptation is really dry. The manga helped me a lot to atleast don't drop this anime.


I thought about writing my thoughts on this but it's a lot to unload so I'll just simply say that this isn't meeting my expectations :) I understand the vast majority of things happening so that's not a problem, I'm simply not a fan of how a lot of things are presented and the fact that some things are presented poorly. For example the Babel Incident. It's only 4 episodes so I won't drop it and I'll surely make a positive remark when I see something I like in the future so that I don't give the idea that I hate everything :)
Feb 5, 2022 2:36 PM

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Ok...that was pretty smart of Chloe to make Naenia "physically manifest"
Though it makes me wonder what the heck Naenia is in the first place...

Poor Vanitas though...is there no way to "call the book" over to you lol? At least it's in that room...somewhere...
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Feb 5, 2022 5:48 PM
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Jean-Jacques is really committed to keep Chloé away from Noe, despite not knowing that he could peer into his memories when Jean forced his blood onto him.

The d'Apchier Family has seen its fair share of controversies, from the uncanny experiments to adopting Chloé, kniwng fully well that she's the Silver Witch, with the people's loathing Jean for his amount of anger to tide over and eventually become the Beast of Gévaudan. The essence of the Hellfire Witch Jeanne coming back for her as a dear sister, and the effect of the curse-bearer malnomen inflicting words like knives, it's a double whammy.

At least Vanitas is able to knock some sense into Noé and get into action, but meeting Astolfo along the way, while Jeanne fights back with the Beast, and Vanitas finding Chloé herself to retrieve back his Book and stop the World Formula's tampering from the Alteration Engine to turn Naenia into a being...lots of things happening at one go, while trouble spews more.

uh... pls rewatch the anime... there is so much wrong here...
Feb 5, 2022 10:24 PM
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Ririnka-kota said:
Well, as an anime series separate from the manga, it was good, but as a film adaptation, absolutely terrible, by 1. They cut the chapters in three, cut out heaps of everything: even Vanitas saving Noe from the wolves and Dante Vanitas, and also cut out Chloe dolls


Film? what you're talking about?
Feb 6, 2022 3:55 AM

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well well well *evil smirk* how the turntables xD

Naenia has to be punished.

I'm loving this season so far. Vanitas can't catch a break though xD Good luck finding your book lol.

Chloe and Jean are good characters. Hopefully they make it out alive towards the end.
Feb 6, 2022 4:55 AM

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Oh man, the amount of twists this episode!

I never would’ve guessed that Chloe’s aim this whole time was to slay Naenia… but it makes sense if she wants to save Jean-Jacque.
Feb 6, 2022 8:37 AM

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Great episode! A lot of reveals!
Jean Jacques took the shape of the beast from their imaginations to save Chloe. I wonder who the murderer was.

No one knew the target of Chloe's vengeance.
Feb 6, 2022 9:48 AM

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damn, this anime, just filled with plot twist episode after episode........... Love every second of it!! and I love that strong Pandora Hearts vibe as well (I know that they're from the same author)
Feb 7, 2022 5:24 PM

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this ep felt pretty janky, came here & my suspicions that it was an adaptation issue were confirmed. I've been holding off but I might just binge the manga, seems like things are just getting messier
Feb 8, 2022 9:39 PM

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Lol at Chloé playing the long game with Charlatan. That mist-like creature was fooled in such a way.

Overall, decent episode though the chronology of events regarding Chloé and Jean-Jacques's encounter was a bit messy to follow.
Feb 11, 2022 5:40 AM

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Have to say, the revelation of Jean-Jacques being the beast himself really did surprise me. And the thing Chloé did in the end, feel like she was planning it all along.
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Feb 11, 2022 5:59 AM

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twistt. jean jaque is actually the beast

chloe smiling rly cutely while saying "now, even i can slay you" threw me off lol
Feb 11, 2022 5:56 PM

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Morssee said:
Hmm, the episodes get more interesting but there's something to the series that feels a bit off. The episodes end way too fast and it's not because the anime is special or anything... Feels like a lot of time is wasted, idk... Also a lot of things are summarized very fast so the stories always feel dry and fast paced with little effort put into it.


I don't think that time is so much "wasted" as it is that it is a pretty large and expansive story and major events are in a way happening too quickly back to back, one after the other, to get one properly invested with the same level of dramatic build-up and payoff as some other series with large and expansive stories.

What I mean is that, as soon as you'll find out something shocking and major which should also feel major, it lacks the proper gravitas and impact it could have, because right away we're on to the next twist before you can reasonably be expected to care and get properly involved. When things happen so quickly in succession, you kind of become emotionally numb or distant/detached from it. The series has a setting which could foster a tremendous sense of atmosphere (of course it does - it's alternate world/alternate history 19th century steampunk Paris and now the rugged French countryside in winter!), but pacing, sequence of events, and consequent cohesion feels a little too erratic for it to sink in and reach such heights.

Which is a shame. I'm still watching and likely will still continue to watch. It doesn't make it a bad series, but it's more that it makes it a okayish to decent 6 or lowish 7-tier (out of 10) series for me compared to what could be a truly great series.

This isn't the sin of Vanitas no Carte alone though. A lot of recent drama, adventure, action, fantasy, and Sci-Fi anime series are being squeezed into the omnipresent and obnoxious 11 - 13 episode format (even though this got a split two cours so far). It usually hinders them from being fully realized compared to what they could be. But that's if you prefer longer and slower-paced series whereas the modern trend is heavily predisposed against that.
Feb 11, 2022 11:25 PM
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Morssee said:
Hmm, the episodes get more interesting but there's something to the series that feels a bit off. The episodes end way too fast and it's not because the anime is special or anything... Feels like a lot of time is wasted, idk... Also a lot of things are summarized very fast so the stories always feel dry and fast paced with little effort put into it.


I don't think that time is so much "wasted" as it is that it is a pretty large and expansive story and major events are in a way happening too quickly back to back, one after the other, to get one properly invested with the same level of dramatic build-up and payoff as some other series with large and expansive stories.

What I mean is that, as soon as you'll find out something shocking and major which should also feel major, it lacks the proper gravitas and impact it could have, because right away we're on to the next twist before you can reasonably be expected to care and get properly involved. When things happen so quickly in succession, you kind of become emotionally numb or distant/detached from it. The series has a setting which could foster a tremendous sense of atmosphere (of course it does - it's alternate world/alternate history 19th century steampunk Paris and now the rugged French countryside in winter!), but pacing, sequence of events, and consequent cohesion feels a little too erratic for it to sink in and reach such heights.

Which is a shame. I'm still watching and likely will still continue to watch. It doesn't make it a bad series, but it's more that it makes it a okayish to decent 6 or lowish 7-tier (out of 10) series for me compared to what could be a truly great series.

This isn't the sin of Vanitas no Carte alone though. A lot of recent drama, adventure, action, fantasy, and Sci-Fi anime series are being squeezed into the omnipresent and obnoxious 11 - 13 episode format (even though this got a split two cours so far). It usually hinders them from being fully realized compared to what they could be. But that's if you prefer longer and slower-paced series whereas the modern trend is heavily predisposed against that.


Couldn't have said it better.

What I meant by time wasted was that I got a little bored of those long and flashy entrances and dramatic quarells that add nothing to the story since we already have a load of them and thought that it's better to instead use that time or half of it to actually prolong the events or show more small things that are normally cut in order for everyone to understand even just a bit more of what's going on. They could easily be structured in such a way that we get the idea and feeling that their little fights and moments between characters try to express while at the sime time not losing track or understanding of the story. There's a lot of talking and too little being done is what I'm trying to say :)
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This episode was an absolute mastetpiece
Mar 2, 2022 12:46 AM
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i'm not enjoying the beast and the witch this season. at all. i hope this arc is over with soon and doesn't span the whole season
Mar 15, 2022 11:32 PM

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Not gonna lie, Jeanne looks way hotter with long hair.
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Mar 29, 2022 9:32 AM

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That cat punch lol.

Generic backstory for Jean/Beast but that twist at the end was nice. Also where's Domi? I wanna see her bad.
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It's sad that Bones have been cutting Vanitas and Dante's team ups. Both were fighting together in episode 13 (Vanitas vs Astolfo), and now this episode. It would have been a great way to remind the audience that before Noe showed up, those two were working together.
May 1, 2022 2:10 AM

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Lmao Vanitas and Mur taking jabs at Noé.

In hindsight it makes sense but I definitely didn't expect Jean-Jacques to be the beast.



May 3, 2022 5:55 PM

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How come Jean-jacque's dad is human when he's a vampire? And again wtf is the world formula? This show is really starting to confuse me.
May 5, 2022 8:04 AM

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How come Jean-jacque's dad is human when he's a vampire? And again wtf is the world formula? This show is really starting to confuse me.
Vampires came into being by being born to humans as a result of tampering with the world formula at large scale. Just search the wiki on what world formula is and pay attention to the dialouges in the series..It can be confusing at times though..
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Oh man. That line a few episodes ago when she told Naenia she's actually quite the jealous type, now it all makes sense. She was saying that to Naenia for cursing Jean. Damn that is some sneaky foreshadowing.
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