The Case Study of Vanitas
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| Vanitas and Noe are still like water and oil. They just can't ever seem to get along even in the second cour LOL Great music used this episode to make this feel like a thriller. They also made the character Manet feel noticable with his flashy personality. I love how they constructed the otherwordly elements of this episode though as they really made it feel surreal. |
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| Ahaha, Noe "I love you" to Roland xD great looking episode as always |
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| uhmmm.. 😅😅😅😅😅what the fuck guys. so. chloe tried to kill naenia shadow ass but failed bc she . actually angered it so much she made it remember who it really was; aka the first vampire of the crimson moon ? Uhm . Okay. and then we have ruthven, fuckin child manipulator. who. killed jeanne's parents and took her in because .. Idfk he's just not right in the head man. nobody is here. ...err YEAH this was really one hell of an episode so many things happening all at once LMAO but HEYYYY rolands back !!!!! :DD glad to see him again |
| I should dismiss this Jeanne and Chloe arc, but now that was presented this Vampire Queen plot, I don't care about this arc anymore. |
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| It was a really good episode! Many revelations were made and a good deal of Jeanne's backstory was shown. And what a good episode ending! |
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Ririnka-kota said: It is actually mentioned that her parents betrayed in the anime as well though. But i am sure that was not really the case considering the story...lizzziziz said: uhmmm.. 😅😅😅😅😅what the fuck guys. so. chloe tried to kill naenia shadow ass but failed bc she . actually angered it so much she made it remember who it really was; aka the first vampire of the crimson moon ? Uhm . Okay. and then we have ruthven, fuckin child manipulator. who. killed jeanne's parents and took her in because .. Idfk he's just not right in the head man. nobody is here. ...err YEAH this was really one hell of an episode so many things happening all at once LMAO but HEYYYY rolands back !!!!! :DD glad to see him again No, why do you think so? The anime showed this in a strange way, but Ruthven did not order the killing of Jeanne's parents. Her adoptive parents were his students, betrayed him, teamed up with the humans along with the other vampires, and helped kill his other students along with the peace faction with the humans. Motivation has not yet been shown in the manga. It's not a spoiler, it's just that the anime cut it short. Ruthven, after Jeanne failed to kill Chloe the first time, saved Jeanne from execution, as she lost her mind, killed her escorts, and screwed up the vampires and the church's joint business. They wanted to execute her, but Ruthven persuaded the Senate to give her to him and plunged her into a very long sleep so that she could heal her emotional wounds. About senate yeah, i think they will show it later on in the story in the after math of beast of gevaden. But yeah was looking forward to seeing that. |
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Morssee said: Well i guess, this is one of those series which are better if binged. I kinda understand why so many people get confused now(the manga is same though.)Ririnka-kota said: No, why do you think so? The anime showed this in a strange way, but Ruthven did not order the killing of Jeanne's parents. Her adoptive parents were his students, betrayed him, teamed up with the humans along with the other vampires, and helped kill his other students along with the peace faction with the humans. Motivation has not yet been shown in the manga. It's not a spoiler, it's just that the anime cut it short. Ruthven, after Jeanne failed to kill Chloe the first time, saved Jeanne from execution, as she lost her mind, killed her escorts, and screwed up the vampires and the church's joint business. They wanted to execute her, but Ruthven persuaded the Senate to give her to him and plunged her into a very long sleep so that she could heal her emotional wounds. She is most likely an anime only. The problem with the anime is that it's explanations are superficial (my opinion), way too fast and they feel like they're lacking a lot of important small details about certain things...pretty unsatisfying because no one understands ever completely about what's going on since the other small bits of information always come either the next episode or the next two, or even later which leaves you with a mess in your head. I understand that you manga readers get what's going on since you read in advance and in more detail, but it's a little hard for people who watch a confusing set of events happening so fast without too much context. |
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| The episode was great though the censorship of jeannes parents...Still the atmosphere was dark enough so no complains. I am waiting for dante and astofolo POVS(I hope they dont cut dante side story because i am pretty sure asotoflo pov would be adapted...) All in all The music choices in this episode were great, Noe encountering that mystical being was errie as i expected it to be. My fav parts were well Naenia s scream. The mystical being and ofcourse jeannes POV The episode had some minor animation issues though |
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| I think we knew already that Jeanne was controlled by that Scumbag Ruthven but man fuck that guy. Seems like the Queen has returned...but at what cost? I am interested to see where this is going to go. It seems Chloe just wanted revenge against the shadow for taking JJ's name but backfired on her completely. Seems like we will get a nice Vanitas and Jeanne moment next week. |
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| I mean, the story is interesting, but the constant weird cuts between scenes are a bit strange to me. Overall though, it leaves me curious as to what happens next which is a good thing. |
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Morssee said: Totally true, but I think the effects will be mitigated for people that watch or re-watch the season after it is done airing. Ririnka-kota said: No, why do you think so? The anime showed this in a strange way, but Ruthven did not order the killing of Jeanne's parents. Her adoptive parents were his students, betrayed him, teamed up with the humans along with the other vampires, and helped kill his other students along with the peace faction with the humans. Motivation has not yet been shown in the manga. It's not a spoiler, it's just that the anime cut it short. Ruthven, after Jeanne failed to kill Chloe the first time, saved Jeanne from execution, as she lost her mind, killed her escorts, and screwed up the vampires and the church's joint business. They wanted to execute her, but Ruthven persuaded the Senate to give her to him and plunged her into a very long sleep so that she could heal her emotional wounds. She is most likely an anime only. The problem with the anime is that it's explanations are superficial (my opinion), way too fast and they feel like they're lacking a lot of important small details about certain things...pretty unsatisfying because no one understands ever completely about what's going on since the other small bits of information always come either the next episode or the next two, or even later which leaves you with a mess in your head. I understand that you manga readers get what's going on since you read in advance and in more detail, but it's a little hard for people who watch a confusing set of events happening so fast without too much context. |
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Ririnka-kota said: ohh okay yeah thats a good explanation, i think it was mentioned this ep how her adoptive parents betrayed him but they didn't really venture on what the parents did, why, how etc so considering how ruthven's action hasn't been showm on the best side lately i just summed it up into that. my badlizzziziz said: uhmmm.. 😅😅😅😅😅what the fuck guys. so. chloe tried to kill naenia shadow ass but failed bc she . actually angered it so much she made it remember who it really was; aka the first vampire of the crimson moon ? Uhm . Okay. and then we have ruthven, fuckin child manipulator. who. killed jeanne's parents and took her in because .. Idfk he's just not right in the head man. nobody is here. ...err YEAH this was really one hell of an episode so many things happening all at once LMAO but HEYYYY rolands back !!!!! :DD glad to see him again No, why do you think so? The anime showed this in a strange way, but Ruthven did not order the killing of Jeanne's parents. Her adoptive parents were his students, betrayed him, teamed up with the humans along with the other vampires, and helped kill his other students along with the peace faction with the humans. Motivation has not yet been shown in the manga. It's not a spoiler, it's just that the anime cut it short. Ruthven, after Jeanne failed to kill Chloe the first time, saved Jeanne from execution, as she lost her mind, killed her escorts, and screwed up the vampires and the church's joint business. They wanted to execute her, but Ruthven persuaded the Senate to give her to him and plunged her into a very long sleep so that she could heal her emotional wounds. Morssee said: ahh yeah i am an anime only. i heard some people said before that they rearranged stuff from the manga on the anime so i was kind of looking for a possible explanation on the next ep but maybe they did just cut it short. i hope not thoShe is most likely an anime only. The problem with the anime is that it's explanations are superficial (my opinion), way too fast and they feel like they're lacking a lot of important small details about certain things...pretty unsatisfying because no one understands ever completely about what's going on since the other small bits of information always come either the next episode or the next two, or even later which leaves you with a mess in your head. I understand that you manga readers get what's going on since you read in advance and in more detail, but it's a little hard for people who watch a confusing set of events happening so fast without too much context. |
| THE VAMPIRE QUEEN IS NAENIA?!!! WTF!!! Her screams are terrifying! It's funny that Noé accidentally knocked out Vanitas then jump off of the castle to save him without second thought. lol. Sadly, Vanitas still don't trust vampires because of events in the past. But, Noé assured Vanitas that he is different and he believes in him. Headbutt! That was too close which made Vanitas panicked and show his tsundere side. lmao. Is Noé blushing when he told Vanitas that he should've told him what he knows? lol. Roland is back! The best Chasseur is back! F Ruthven for manipulating Jeanne and treating her as just a tool!  |
| Vanitas no Karte is a series you really have to watch with understanding otherwise you'll end up not knowing how/why some of the events occur(just like me).....This show is kinda complicated for me or maybe it's because I just started the show without any sort of recap.....Anyways I'll probably read the manga later on to understand better.......... As for this episode.....yeah we got some good and funny moments between Noe and Vanitas.....Jeanne's past was also quite interesting.....And Roland makes an appearance lol....Looking forward to see how things go from here..... |
SoraSenpai said: I think we knew already that Jeanne was controlled by that Scumbag Ruthven but man fuck that guy. Seems like the Queen has returned...but at what cost? I am interested to see where this is going to go. It seems Chloe just wanted revenge against the shadow for taking JJ's name but backfired on her completely. Seems like we will get a nice Vanitas and Jeanne moment next week. Ao_Blue said: As a matter of fact, Ruthven may have his objectives but he did save jeanne or she would have been executed. Also he was betrayed since he was a bit like Noe in the past(episode 3 s2). So yeah his side of story made him who he is nowTHE VAMPIRE QUEEN IS NAENIA?!!! WTF!!! Her screams are terrifying! It's funny that Noé accidentally knocked out Vanitas then jump off of the castle to save him without second thought. lol. Sadly, Vanitas still don't trust vampires because of events in the past. But, Noé assured Vanitas that he is different and he believes in him. Headbutt! That was too close which made Vanitas panicked and show his tsundere side. lmao. Is Noé blushing when he told Vanitas that he should've told him what he knows? lol. Roland is back! The best Chasseur is back! F Ruthven for manipulating Jeanne and treating her as just a tool! |
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| how many chapters were adapted in this episode |
-Elevate- said: The jeanne backstory shown in bits in the previous chapters was shown as a whole in this one . Almost 2.5 chapters if i remember correctly. But you cant say for sure since there is alot of rearranging going on as well(in a good way that is)how many chapters were adapted in this episode |
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| Damn... So Naenia's true form is too OP... I was disappointed with how quickly the episode ended! |
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| Woah, Chloé being yandere isn't all that enough, the reborn Charlatan that is Naenia truly is THE true Nightmare from Chloé forcing her to remember her origins as the Death's Keeper: Queen Faustina, the first vampire of the crimson moon. What a plot twist that forces both Vanitas and Noé to rethink their actions. Nice to see Roland and the other Chasseur paladins onboard, though thankfully he's still the same as ever. And suspiciously, Roland has caught onto the message that the Church is up to something, and tries to alleviate the situation according to Vanitas. Even Jeanne's own backstory is disturbing, given how much she's treasured as an orphan, only to have her adopted parents betray the vampires under Ruthven's order, and then having to contemplate with Chloé's existence as her other sister as a Bourreau, nothing more than a tool. So basically Jeanne knew that Chloé wasn't the Beast of Gévaudan, and consulted with Vanitas in his vampire state. All is not over yet. |
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| The best kind of mystery has you thinking you've got stuff nicely ordered only to add a new element and kick all your neatly stacked facts all over the place. An epic episode, plus... Roland |
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| Hmmmm… first half of the ep was amazing with that reveal that Naenia is in fact the Queen’s malnomen and with the return of precious boy Roland. But that second half… it felt really out of place. Like why did we suddenly start seeing Jeanne’s past?! |
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Kobeanie said: Hmmmm… first half of the ep was amazing with that reveal that Naenia is in fact the Queen’s malnomen and with the return of precious boy Roland. But that second half… it felt really out of place. Like why did we suddenly start seeing Jeanne’s past?! This has been my problem....This series (including the current second season or technically cour) has some individually great scenes and moments, but rather than continuing on and following up with many of them and allowing them to breathe more, it jumps to another plot point and character too quickly so it's easy to lose track of what's going on. Like, you can literally, intellectually understand it on paper, but it feels like a jarring experience subjectively and emotionally in the moment to be jostled around so briskly. I wish we could just follow one part of the plot and set of characters at a time for a longer period. |
| It’s so refreshing to see Roland again And it’s interesting that Chloe thought she could kill Naenia |
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Varris said: Considering how season 1 was and the fact that jun is invloved, i would advise not making a judgement this soon. Consdering they are reaaranging alot of things in general. 234Mannan said: Honestly even if you binged you'd be inclined to think Ruthven is evil with how much they cut, Bones really screwed this one up.Well i guess, this is one of those series which are better if binged. I kinda understand why so many people get confused now(the manga is same though.) So thats why i would say its one of those cases where you cant judge until it finishes. |
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Varris said: It was great actually...You might be having "manga bias" at the moment....234Mannan said: Season 1 wasn't really any better and they always say the author is involvedConsidering how season 1 was and the fact that jun is invloved, i would advise not making a judgement this soon. Consdering they are reaaranging alot of things in general. So thats why i would say its one of those cases where you cant judge until it finishes. I mean the way they rearranged the events and how the emotions were handeled(especially episode 5) they did a good job. |
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Varris said: OKay your claims dont really have strong roots considering vanitas is praised for its direction and characters for the most part and maybe you are not really aware of the director who was behind monogatari and madoka...234Mannan said: it's not bias it's calling out the fact that they cut so much out and they do and that a lot of the materials portrayed so badly it makes someone who's even read the Manga and was hyped as hell for the show not want to watch it. Add to the fact that I don't think the director has ever even read the manga based on how much season 1's direction was off. (Admittedly season 2 is slightly better in that regard). If anything anime-only tend to not understand how much this was botched without reading the manga which leads to huge misunderstandings like the one your defending.It was great actually...You might be having "manga bias" at the moment.... I mean the way they rearranged the events and how the emotions were handeled(especially episode 5) they did a good job. But in anycase here is a thread of vanitas discussion between the anime onlies and well it got a great response https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/sq3izu/vanitas_no_carte_part_2_episode_17_discussion/ https://youpoll.me/72764/r I dont really want to argue so have a good day. |
234MannanFeb 14, 2022 10:01 AM
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| Well, shit sure went from 0 to 100 real quick this episode, huh? Chloé took so long in killing Charlatan the creature ended up remembering its powerful identity and we also got some Jeanne's backstory out of nowhere. Also it seems next episode will have more Vanitas x Jeanne content so I'm not really looking forward to it. |
SouthRzVa said: Naenia just wasnt dying for the most part...She was tring her utter best to kill it though..In other words she was still unkillable in a way.Well, shit sure went from 0 to 100 real quick this episode, huh? Chloé took so long in killing Charlatan the creature ended up remembering its powerful identity and we also got some Jeanne's backstory out of nowhere. Also it seems next episode will have more Vanitas x Jeanne content so I'm not really looking forward to it. Naenia make others remember all the painful memories they have whenever she travels... SO thats how we got jeanne s backstory. |
234MannanFeb 16, 2022 7:17 AM
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234Mannan said: SouthRzVa said: Naenia just wasnt dying for the most part...She was tring her utter best to kill it though..In other words she was still unkillable in a way.Well, shit sure went from 0 to 100 real quick this episode, huh? Chloé took so long in killing Charlatan the creature ended up remembering its powerful identity and we also got some Jeanne's backstory out of nowhere. Also it seems next episode will have more Vanitas x Jeanne content so I'm not really looking forward to it. Naenia make others remember all the painful memories they have whenever she travels... SO thats how we got jeanne s backstory. Oh, I see. I assumed Chloé was just taking her time torturing Naenia before killing it. My bad then. |
234Mannan said: Ririnka-kota said: It is actually mentioned that her parents betrayed in the anime as well though. But i am sure that was not really the case considering the story...No, why do you think so? The anime showed this in a strange way, but Ruthven did not order the killing of Jeanne's parents. Her adoptive parents were his students, betrayed him, teamed up with the humans along with the other vampires, and helped kill his other students along with the peace faction with the humans. Motivation has not yet been shown in the manga. It's not a spoiler, it's just that the anime cut it short. Ruthven, after Jeanne failed to kill Chloe the first time, saved Jeanne from execution, as she lost her mind, killed her escorts, and screwed up the vampires and the church's joint business. They wanted to execute her, but Ruthven persuaded the Senate to give her to him and plunged her into a very long sleep so that she could heal her emotional wounds. About senate yeah, i think they will show it later on in the story in the after math of beast of gevaden. But yeah was looking forward to seeing that. I'm a little confused by this. It's being painted as Jeanne's parents betrayed Ruthven and sided with the humans, they were beheaded which lead to Jeanne becoming a bourreau as repercussion, so why does Jeanna then believe she was the reason her parents were killed? |
DarkestNights said: You can say it was kinda like brain washing(not entirely but that did happen in a way)234Mannan said: It is actually mentioned that her parents betrayed in the anime as well though. But i am sure that was not really the case considering the story... About senate yeah, i think they will show it later on in the story in the after math of beast of gevaden. But yeah was looking forward to seeing that. I'm a little confused by this. It's being painted as Jeanne's parents betrayed Ruthven and sided with the humans, they were beheaded which lead to Jeanne becoming a bourreau as repercussion, so why does Jeanna then believe she was the reason her parents were killed? Jeanne, after her parents died, was taught continiously that she was a tool and and if she is unable to follow orders, she would be killed/punished. Jeanne was a toddler not to mention an orphen to. In other words, those words made her assume another scenario. And since her psychological state was pretty bad at that time and considering how that guy with the candle was saying those things, Jeanne as a kid assumed that maybe she did something wrong and her parents paid the price(for which she blamed herself). Also its a classic case of a young child blaming themselves for their parents mistakes(like in reality, a kids usually blame themselves for things like divorce between parents). As she was a orphen and considering her parents were beheaded and not to mention just after that, she was put into that situation in which she was taught to be a tool, Jeanne started blaming herself for everything. I hope this was helpful :) |
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234Mannan said: DarkestNights said: You can say it was kinda like brain washing(not entirely but that did happen in a way)I'm a little confused by this. It's being painted as Jeanne's parents betrayed Ruthven and sided with the humans, they were beheaded which lead to Jeanne becoming a bourreau as repercussion, so why does Jeanna then believe she was the reason her parents were killed? Jeanne, after her parents died, was taught continiously that she was a tool and and if she is unable to follow orders, she would be killed/punished. Jeanne was a toddler not to mention an orphen to. In other words, those words made her assume another scenario. And since her psychological state was pretty bad at that time and considering how that guy with the candle was saying those things, Jeanne as a kid assumed that maybe she did something wrong and her parents paid the price(for which she blamed herself). Also its a classic case of a young child blaming themselves for their parents mistakes(like in reality, a kids usually blame themselves for things like divorce between parents). As she was a orphen and considering her parents were beheaded and not to mention just after that, she was put into that situation in which she was taught to be a tool, Jeanne started blaming herself for everything. I hope this was helpful :) More or less this is what I was leaning towards. The whole time I just wasn't couldn't convince myself on it lol, it does seem like the most logical explanation. I really needed to hear someone double down on this, thanks for reassurance, you most definitely helped. |
DarkestNightsFeb 17, 2022 2:14 PM
| Okay so it felt like this was an episode of two halves, pure chaos in the first one and then a total shift to Jeanne's background in the later. Seems a bit disoriented but anyways was a fine episode. |
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| That was an intense first half although switching to Jeanne's backstory made it a bit awkward but for the most part, it was a solid episode. |
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