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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This movie focuses mainly on Motoko's subconscious needs of feeling human by pursuing romantic relationships. I found it a tad bit more boring than the previous movies maybe due to the lack of action. Akira though was quite the peculiar character that I wanted to be more fleshed out. Though it would have been hard to do for such a support character in an hour long movie. Also, the animation quality was really bad, fluctuating from okay to horrible frequently. |
| Lol, it seemed Motoko was interested in Togusa for a second there at the end, but it seems she simply has poor luck with men....unless it's whipping them as their leader, which I'm sure Bato is all too familiar with. While the story is cool, I don't think my views on the art will change since the first movie...just doesn't ever grow on me. The thing I liked most was the Logicoma, and didn't even get to see it too much. Last movie comes out in September. If they ever decide to make more Ghost in the Shell of anything after that...hopefully they can at least match Stand Alone Complex's quality, for next time. alexpte said: Also, the animation quality was really bad, fluctuating from okay to horrible frequently. ^This. I nearly spat out my dinner when I saw her face. Maybe they'll fix it for the Blu-ray...Oh wait, this is the BD. Well, shit. |
Estoy_GordoJun 29, 2014 5:21 PM
alexpte said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This movie focuses mainly on Motoko's subconscious needs of feeling human by pursuing romantic relationships. I found it a tad bit more boring than the previous movies maybe due to the lack of action. Akira though was quite the peculiar character that I wanted to be more fleshed out. Though it would have been hard to do for such a support character in an hour long movie. Also, the animation quality was really bad, fluctuating from okay to horrible frequently. Yeah you are right, Animation felt half ass. I thought I was going crazy when I saw Motoko face was pretty off centered. Also not a lot of action and too much Akira. It felt like he could have been left out and we would not miss much. |
| Hmm, I guess it was kinda interesting to see cyborg's lifestyles in this movie. The animation dropped a ball there though..sigh. It was kinda interesting to see Major and Akira's interpersonal relationship. Otherwise, I thought it was a so-so movie. Shame about Major's lover though.... |
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| Those character designs still make me cringe. It's nice that it gave us more insight on Motoko's character this time around and how she wants to be as human as possible, but it's already been done in both the original and SAC and done much better. Oh well, just one more to go.. |
| Meh, it was even worse than previous episodes. 3/10. |
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| Its even worse than 1st one. While there was major plot fallacies, at least animation quality in the first ep. was somewhat consistent. In this episode we see that section9 operatives prefers to chat in VR while on a anti-terrorist mission with a predictable outcome: totally legit dominatrix-general from 1st one returned with some not-so-mysterious loli-hacker, that presumably got screen time in 4 ep. now, some quality shots: just look at that neck and what with that design, is Motoko a skinhead now? This episode also has Gendo-pose and truth in a television The preview of next ep. shows us Motoko in oldschool gear which not even close to but hopefully a good sign nonetheless. |
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JCDenton1989Jul 1, 2014 4:42 PM
| God this episode was awful. Any 14 year old teenager could have written that plot in under 30 minutes. Suddenly a foreign terror group appears, plothole, plothole, plothole, culprit shoots himself for no reason. Then all this emotional crap Motoko is going through. She is a fecking elite soldier dammit. And after this episode you can add warcriminal to the list... 2/10 1 point for the bad executed subplot of how Togusa got the job offering. 1 point for beeing GitS in general. |
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| hmm the loli kouhai get her screentime for the next ep? better be good and about animation quality..atleast i downloaded this. i feel bad for people who buy the BD, refund? maybe... or this gonna get a remake |
| Well, in contrast to most of you(at least those who've commented), I enjoyed the first two series a lot, especially the second one. However this third one was a really bad one... The art wasn't nearly as good as i expected, in fact there was only one scene where I felt like it was good enough, the story was uncreative, at times even boring, and the Major's bf was such a shit ass character he could have been shown for 2 minutes and would've still left the same impact - absolute zero. |
| What I really found boring in Arise 2 was the overlong action scenes that made it look like a Matrix clone. So I'm glad there wasn't any in this border. But on the other hand, this movie felt the cheapest of the three, with a lazy character design, no memorable backgrounds or effects. It's like the production is saving budget for the last border (and I hope they are). Story-wise it was also a little better than Arise 2, but nothing extraordinary either. Like others pointed out, my main issue is with the characters: for an opus called Ghost Tears, I was expecting to be a little more emotionally involved -- like Motoko is supposed to be -- but the scenarisation was rushed so we end up with a cyberpunk commonplace, a bit like Ghost Pains in that respect. A good movie that could have been a lot better. I'll watch border 4 but I'm not hyped at all at this point. |
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| Batou punching himself in the face will never ever get old. |
| i just dont get ppl bitching about character designs in the third movie cause they were the same in ghost pain! sure this was the worst of the 3 and it doesnt even compare to the GITS movies or anime but i still think it was worth my time. what i didnt like was the sub title to the movie "ghost tears" because the moment you see Akira you know he will die in the end..atleast i felt this way. on thing..the guy with the bomb prostehtics they threw down the elevator shaft..was there any reason no to rip his arms out and save him? they just "disposed" of him..# anyways ..a very generous 6/10 i think the 2 batou self punches + togusa getting the job were the best moments of this movie. |
Kerozinn said: on thing..the guy with the bomb prostehtics they threw down the elevator shaft..was there any reason no to rip his arms out and save him? they just "disposed" of him..# I agree, they probably could've done that. Also letting him die like that really felt weird and just mean.. Not only that, but they show no second thougts in throwing an innocent man down to his death and immediately afterwards say "crap, the fire is closing up my throat" as if they just disposed of a bug or something.. |
| Was a good film, but I felt the lack of information was a bit dissapointing. Still a great film none the less, 8/10 |
PrOxAntoJul 12, 2014 4:34 PM
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| This was the worst ARISE episode so far, 5/10 and I am being generous here... Scratch that, 4/10. |
NidhoeggrJul 11, 2014 8:09 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| I'm sad they changed the majors sexual proclivities from the manga. Yuri Motoko was much more fun and less conflicted. And finally the team is complete with Togusa, the "natural" of the group. The animation was rather poor for this being a movie, and the story didn't pull me in as much as it should. It's hard to believe that GITS SAC and 2nd Gig are more than 10 years old and blow this out of the water in every way possible. It's not bad, but it could just be so much better. Calling Kenji Mamiyama please? |
FarabeufJul 12, 2014 6:28 AM
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Some very surprising light tones with Motoko's love story and other scenes which reminded me of SAC. It wasn't that great, but still enjoyable and entertaining and the side coming from Motoko was interesting. With this I miss the tone that was set with the original first and second movie |
| They keep on spitting on the original gits movie and the sac series. I mean wtf is this? the second arise movie was already bad, but this one puts motokos character to a new bottom. Everyone who has any respect for the original motok should be ashamed liking this bullshit. Motoko now acts like every other clichee romance character with a bit of a strong attitude (which in some scenes makes her to an irational rager), so there is now absolutly nothing left from the old motoko in this new piece of garbage character. If it wouldnt insult a great show so much this movie could at least be watchable, but not this way. |
| Arise continues to disappoint. Had no clue what was going on, and honestly didn't care. It all just felt like a retread of stuff we've seen before. And I know it's been said over and over... but jeez... these character designs. |
| i actually really liked the first two borders quite a bit. i thought the new direction was kinda refreshing and i actually liked the character designs much more than SAC. but THIS was awful. i don't even understand how this came to be. so much of it was so poorly drawn, that i was distracted by awkward anatomy/poorly rendered faces for probably half of the movie. its like every single artist who understands how motokos head should attach to her shoulders was away for the entirety of the production. even the action scenes were sloppy. i can't remember production IG ever making anything that looked this bad. if i was a teacher grading this as homework i would assume it was shit out in the 5 minute passing time before class. the plot was pretty meh. aside from some interesting passing insights on life/romance as a cyborg the plot really didnt bring much fresh or thought provoking. and while i like the idea of a greener more naive motoko the borders are going for as prequels, seeing her being carried around and being almost the more submissive partner in her relationship felt really off and forced. she even has a cheesy tsundere moment that made me absolutely cringe |
| 5/10 lol. They butchered Motoko. Now she's just a dumb slut(wtf) who lets her emotions get the better of her(even more wtf). Her character is entirely inconsistent with her profile(wizard class hacker? please, who are we kidding?). |
| There's two kinds of people you can't win an argument against: One - Too dumb to tell right from wrong. Two - Too stubborn to admit they are wrong. |
| Not very good. Stand Alone Complext still the best Ghost in the Shell to me. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Through the case this time with bombing, the company that uses Water and the guy that major falls in love, we find out major's past and why she has that body. Interesting and sad at the same time. Seems like that new cyborg (CV: Ai Kayano) that appeared in this movie will be important in next movie. |
tsubasaloverAug 4, 2014 2:07 PM
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| I have a feeling I'll forget everything that happened by tomorrow. Really disappointed, but on the bright side it's put me in the mood for sleep. |
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| Sentimental score is 7 (because this is a new GITS, unrelated to anything else except by the names and physical appearances, I actually liked seeing how Section 9 was like back in the day, and that includes a less mature and less wise Motoko with her love life. This is a good thing because realistically putting into context, "You know better today than yesterday." The romance element was also actually nice, but then the romantic interest unfortunately, is useless piece of dragonshit, so there goes the score) Objectively, as usual, a 6, because while almost everything made sense (or at least I think they did), they still don't elaborate on a lot of shit. Either that, or once more, I wasn't getting the picture. (I guess lately, I've been rather slow-minded. Fuck. Growing up's a real fucking hassle when you know your body's deteriorating) It would be nice if they spent more time talking. That's what made S.A.C. for me. In the end, I was able to understand SOMETHING because of all their talking. Here, there's way too much focus on Action. How dare they do that when the Animation was GARBAGE. You see. P.I.G. is P.I.G. for a reason. The only GOOD thing they can do is BACKGROUNDS. New people just keep coming up, and not only are they new, but they're new and they look like FUCKING SHIT. Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK is this SHIT?  That garbage reminds me of this shit:  This third episode had interesting parts, and some really shitty ass parts. I find it harder to connect the dots and comprehend this shit than S.A.C. I'm starting to miss S.A.C. even more already. I REALLY want to like this. I really do. After all, the OP's the most dope shit I've ever heard in anime. And in this third episode, the OP and ED sequences were the best so far. But I guess I'll leave my score at 7 because of Togusa. Though could someone tell me who that guy he captured was and what this whole thing about "shooting a person" was? He mentioned that the guy who escaped with the "proof" was shot, and I'm guessing this guy is the culprit but who exactly is this motherfucker? My brain's fried. |
zetsu_shorenAug 21, 2014 12:45 PM
zetsu_shoren said: Sentimental score is 7 (because this is a new GITS, unrelated to anything else except by the names and physical appearances, I actually liked seeing how Section 9 was like back in the day, and that includes a less mature and less wise Motoko with her love life. This is a good thing because realistically putting into context, "You know better today than yesterday." The romance element was also actually nice, but then the romantic interest unfortunately, is useless piece of dragonshit, so there goes the score) Objectively, as usual, a 6, because while almost everything made sense (or at least I think they did), they still don't elaborate on a lot of shit. Either that, or once more, I wasn't getting the picture. (I guess lately, I've been rather slow-minded. Fuck. Growing up's a real fucking hassle when you know your body's deteriorating) It would be nice if they spent more time talking. That's what made S.A.C. for me. In the end, I was able to understand SOMETHING because of all their talking. Here, there's way too much focus on Action. How dare they do that when the Animation was GARBAGE. You see. P.I.G. is P.I.G. for a reason. The only GOOD thing they can do is BACKGROUNDS. New people just keep coming up, and not only are they new, but they're new and they look like FUCKING SHIT. Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK is this SHIT? That garbage reminds me of this shit: This third episode had interesting parts, and some really shitty ass parts. I find it harder to connect the dots and comprehend this shit than S.A.C. I'm starting to miss S.A.C. even more already. I REALLY want to like this. I really do. After all, the OP's the most dope shit I've ever heard in anime. And in this third episode, the OP and ED sequences were the best so far. But I guess I'll leave my score at 7 because of Togusa. Though could someone tell me who that guy he captured was and what this whole thing about "shooting a person" was? He mentioned that the guy who escaped with the "proof" was shot, and I'm guessing this guy is the culprit but who exactly is this motherfucker? My brain's fried. The whole movie was really Togusa time. In my theory, its why the quality was crappy and left redundant. Last two movies, their cutting corners at our expense. I agree with 7 for Sentimental value and my favorite Togusa |
| That...was awful..whyy :(, I thought the first 2 were pretty good.. I hated the romance in this, it just completely ruined Motoko's character for me (also she was way out of character, lashing out at Togusa and all..) and on top of that it was boring and the plot was pretty average as well, not worthy of GitS. Very disappointing. 5/10, tempted to give a 4 but eh.. |
AozureSep 8, 2014 12:47 PM
HATUL said: Those character designs still make me cringe. It's nice that it gave us more insight on Motoko's character this time around and how she wants to be as human as possible, but it's already been done in both the original and SAC and done much better. Oh well, just one more to go.. I guess we will have to accept this will never be as good as other SAC. This was really disappointing for me. It seemed to be the worst of the three honestly. Many things were there but something felt missing and boring and i can't even put my finger on it. Marzan said: I'm sad they changed the majors sexual proclivities from the manga. Yuri Motoko was much more fun and less conflicted. And finally the team is complete with Togusa, the "natural" of the group. The animation was rather poor for this being a movie, and the story didn't pull me in as much as it should. It's hard to believe that GITS SAC and 2nd Gig are more than 10 years old and blow this out of the water in every way possible. It's not bad, but it could just be so much better. Calling Kenji Mamiyama please? Well Motoko isn't yuri. She's bi actually. She is very sexually open and just loves sex activities as recreation and relax time, whether with men or women. Hope this franchise doesn't try to make her a more traditional type of female because it just ruins a part of her character. I can't say it completely made her traditional since it at least mentioned how many men she was changing and showed how she has no problem wearing revealing outfits which is part of her sexual openness but by mentioning only guys changing it makes it seem like she didn't bother with women. Btw seeing Motoko in that sexy dress just brought disappointment cause i could only think how more awesome she would look in it with her SAC design. |
MonadSep 22, 2014 1:32 PM
| Okay, now this was the worst. I enjoyed the previous two episodes though not to extensive amounts (rated them 6 and 7, respectively), though both suffered from exposure and pacing issues that made them unnecessarily hard to piece together, but this one takes the cake, specially when added with its plot holes. And that romance? SO CRINGEWORTHY, it made me turn my face away from the screen due to the unbearable second-hand embarrassment. I'm giving this a 5 at best. |
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| That was a massive improvement over Border:2 and that was due to there being less action sequences which meant there was more time for plot. Togusa finally being introduced was great as well, But yeah like what most people are saying this series overall could/should have been done better and its a shame that the episode quality is fluctuating a lot whereas with Stand Alone Complex pretty much every episode was excellent and it flowed well, With this it feels very disjointed as every episode feels distinctly different and keeps changing its identity like I said about the last episode with its Matrix inspired action scenes which seemed out of place because Ghost in the Shell has never been about that then this episode happens and we are back to what I perceive as normal for GitS but there is no consistency here. |
| Fuck this shit |
| Sword in hand, a warrior clutches stone to breast. In sword etched he his fading memories In stone, his tempered skill By sword attested, by stone revealed. Their tale can now be told |
Zapredon said: Not very good. Stand Alone Complext still the best Ghost in the Shell to me. |
| Sword in hand, a warrior clutches stone to breast. In sword etched he his fading memories In stone, his tempered skill By sword attested, by stone revealed. Their tale can now be told |
| The faces made me want to vomit at times. |
| Meh, okay. Didn't have very good fight scenes. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Really average animation and storytelling... |
| they made Major Kusanagi a slut here |
| The best movie yet! This sure was great and well I can't wait to see what the last movie will offer us! |
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| Saitou sleeping at work wow I'm glad now that they changed seiyuus because fuck this shit this is not GiTS anymore |
| Nice red dress, Major but you don't really need it. We already liked you from your past Ghosts, i.e. the earlier series, but why are you turning slutty here? TT_TT Ah well... I wonder who the little girl is, she seems to be the focus of the next episode. kumashock said: fuck this shit this is not GiTS anymore Yeah I'm slowly getting to that bandwagon about this too. *sigh* |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| Good episode, but lots of ehh moments. I kinda didn't like how Major was all lovey dovey. I know she's supposed to be young and all, but the older Motoko she's more serious. I know in the original manga, she slept with a lot of people/cyborgs, male or female. She doesn't share her personal life just like that. Not to mention if this was SAC Batou, he would have been heart broken instead of casually making fun of her love life. I do love how Motoko keeps ghost hacking Batou's arm and punching himself in the face XD Major in a dress!?! Ehh she fits more in her red rider suit :) I love how in the beginning, when they stop the terrorists. It reminded me of 2nd GiG's first episode. Especially the setting and how they captured everyone by hacking them. Not to mention why does Major keeps getting hacked like this!?! in SAC, she's one of the strongest hackers ever and is only 2nd to Aoi. She's also a former guerrilla leader back in the day. It seems while this is more of a reinterpretation/prequel of some sorts instead of being a direct link to SAC or even the original movie. The action scenes were cool, but the 2nd episode was much better. I love the PV, brings her back her original look in the first movie :) Can't wait for the final one! |
| TBH the mitigating reason for my getting back into GITS is cuz I saw the cover for Arise: Borders 3-4 The slinky dress, Louboutin heels and the suddenly skinny Major kinda put the hooks in me. Heh. |
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