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Yesterday, 8:17 AM
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Japan's government plans to build a new system that taps artificial intelligence to detect websites offering pirated manga and anime.

Agency officials have come up with the plan as damage from piracy websites, including foreign-language versions, is becoming increasingly serious.

They estimate the cost of the damage at 2 trillion yen, or 13.3 billion dollars, a year.

An agency official says it takes time and money to find piracy websites with human eyes. The official says the agency hopes to create a highly efficient system to reduce the number of such sites and protect copyright holders.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20241202_09/

they gonna automate dmca requests then so what now? back to torrent master race? or even older than that with irc/xdcc downloading?
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"Japan's culture agency to build AI system to detect piracy websites"

Too bad.
Yesterday, 8:24 AM
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Finding them doesn't mean they can shut them down.
No, this isn't my signature~desu.
Yesterday, 8:28 AM
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It's overwari-da, See you-nara...

Yesterday, 8:29 AM
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Finding them doesn't mean they can shut them down.
@Zarutaku the online payment option right now is visa and mastercard right? so how can pirated sites get profit if their money source is block by japan?
Yesterday, 8:32 AM
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deg said:
back to torrent master race?

Seeing as I never left I don't know if that changes anything.
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I think is better not talk about piracy since the more talking about the more gaining attention so is better to be quiet.
Yesterday, 8:35 AM
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I remember how on social media were introduced moderator bots. So much normal content was closed, clogged support with complains due to wrong bans...
I wish to know how many complains and what will happen with introduction of AI bots in their "hopes to reduce"...
Also hackers don't sleep either, motto of one of their group ~"we seek challenge".
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I apologize for my mistakes, because it's not my native language.
Yesterday, 8:44 AM
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We should be more worried about what is happening in South Korea at this very moment.
I hope this doesn't stall the production pipeline or restrict the activities of the theme song artists.
Peace.
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@Zarutaku the online payment option right now is visa and mastercard right? so how can pirated sites get profit if their money source is block by japan?
@deg I don't know the shady ways pirate sites earn money.
No, this isn't my signature~desu.
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@deg I don't know the shady ways pirate sites earn money.
@Zarutaku some do bitcoins donations now so that maybe another alternative profit source but nothing beats ads profit though
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They are only doing themselves a disservice. Piracy is what makes people know what they want to spend their money on if they even have it and they are free advertising to others. Hardly anyone who can pay the price and if the industry is doing a good service do they ever violate copyrights .
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deg said:
An agency official says it takes time and money to find piracy websites with human eyes.

Dude, it's not that hard. I find them all the time. If they give me those 300M yen I'll point them in the right direction without any AI BS.
The whole point of piracy websites is that they want to be as visible as they can.

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deg said:
An agency official says it takes time and money to find piracy websites with human eyes.

Dude, it's not that hard. I find them all the time. If they give me those 300M yen I'll point them in the right direction without any AI BS.
The whole point of piracy websites is that they want to be as visible as they can.
@Tirinchas
Nah many arent in it for profit. There was one site that is gone now they only put ads on the page for Boku no Pico lol there also are private sites and ones disguised.
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deg said:
An agency official says it takes time and money to find piracy websites with human eyes.

Dude, it's not that hard. I find them all the time. If they give me those 300M yen I'll point them in the right direction without any AI BS.
The whole point of piracy websites is that they want to be as visible as they can.
@Tirinchas ye old school web scraping and web tracking and web indexing can do it too but maybe they just want to ride this ai hype train
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This will only end up backfiring on them in a huge way. The more you try to put restrictions the more alternate ways people will try to get access.
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But you can find them, not all of them though. Some idiot Westerners even upload to mainstream sites. Also I think they are talking about using their own webcrawler which funny enough if they do it means you possibly can block them with a robots.txt lol

But they do get shut down. Once found all it takes is a lawsuit or reporting them to their local police. I havent personally known of any anime sites that use the tech needed to be incapable of being taken down.
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But you can find them, not all of them though. Some idiot Westerners even upload to mainstream sites. Also I think they are talking about using their own webcrawler which funny enough if they do it means you possibly can block them with a robots.txt lol

But they do get shut down. Once found all it takes is a lawsuit or reporting them to their local police. I havent personally known of any anime sites that use the tech needed to be incapable of being taken down.
@traed ye good point with blocking web crawlers with robots.txt but maybe its the reason why they are gonna use ai web crawlers this time
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But you can find them, not all of them though. Some idiot Westerners even upload to mainstream sites. Also I think they are talking about using their own webcrawler which funny enough if they do it means you possibly can block them with a robots.txt lol

But they do get shut down. Once found all it takes is a lawsuit or reporting them to their local police. I havent personally known of any anime sites that use the tech needed to be incapable of being taken down.
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Once found all it takes is a lawsuit or reporting them to their local police. I havent personally known of any anime sites that use the tech needed to be incapable of being taken down.

Not all countries cooperate with foreign anti-piracy agencies and those are the countries where many pirate servers are operated.
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Zarutaku said:
Not all countries cooperate with foreign anti-piracy agencies and those are the countries where many pirate servers are operated.

Yes but their was a huge takedown in Brazil and more recently Italy which i noticed some sites stopped uploading since then, and not every anime would leave Japan without pirates
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Funny they need to use expensive technology to find piracy sites. I found one in 5 minutes after asking someone about the one they were using. Cost me nothing and took no time.
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I doubt most people who pirate manga or anime will transition to paying lots of money to watch "legally" if it becomes the only option.
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well looks like I'm not giong to be able to watch anime anymore

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I doubt most people who pirate manga or anime will transition to paying lots of money to watch "legally" if it becomes the only option.
@Valyrian1124 I really like anime so I would pay but not "lots of money", just a reasonable amount

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deg said:
ye good point with blocking web crawlers with robots.txt but maybe its the reason why they are gonna use ai web crawlers this time

Technically they can ignore robots.txt requests but they wont. But maybe they would use an existing engine but which? Yahoo Japan? Likewise webscrapers also are blockable by several means. So if they are smart they can block this sort of thing.
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They don't need an AI system to detect piracy websites. You are assuming they cannot detect such websites without AI.

Of course, corporations run the world. So much for your fictious "freedoms" under capitalism. All these laws and regulations are ultimately designed to protect the power and control of the elites. And not for the benefit of the masses.
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I hope this only applies to Japanese pirate sites.

I don't want my Hentai or JAVs to go away.
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Well yes but they dont all make themselves known in same ways. Some are ways that corporations and governments would miss easily
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Yeah, when the site’s hosted in Iceland or on the Seychelles. Good luck, Japan.
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Funny they need to use expensive technology to find piracy sites. I found one in 5 minutes after asking someone about the one they were using. Cost me nothing and took no time.
@SuperAdventure

I think the problem is that Japan's primary economic powerhouse - its army of a million elderly crossing guards and parking attendants - just isn't tech-savvy enough to handle the internet.

I wouldn't be surprised if they end up hiring some real people to write angry letters to the pirates afterward. On typewriters, of course.

Needless to say, such an ambitious, innovative and socially important project will require more taxes from the youth.

Oh, I love Japan so much...
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What a braindead use of government resources, if they (governments in general, not just Japan) wanted to do something useful they should put restrictions on how digital goods can be sold, such as not allowing the terms "buy" or "purchase" for products that the end user will ultimately have no tangible control over (usually because it cannot be downloaded and instead only streamed from the cloud, or it has DRM)
I imagine this would actually lead to increased sales if it urges companies to fuck consumers over less.
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By the time they achieve this goal anime will cease to exist as a concept.
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Thanks to MAL, I was under the impression that real fans pirated and only tourists paid for their anime. But this seems to make me think that anime corporations value paying fans over pirates. Have I been deceived?!?!

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Thanks to MAL, I was under the impression that real fans pirated and only tourists paid for their anime. But this seems to make me think that anime corporations value paying fans over pirates. Have I been deceived?!?!

@KittenCuddler anime is another business after all its just most pirates are poor
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Even if the government cracks down more efficiently, pirates will always find ways to circumvent these systems.

Yeah, It's likely to just push piracy to more obscure platforms or methods, I guess.
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Even if the government cracks down more efficiently, pirates will always find ways to circumvent these systems.

Yeah, It's likely to just push piracy to more obscure platforms or methods, I guess.
@justmaya thats the intention of anti piracy measures this days to make it harder for fans to pirate so some none computer nerd anime pirates will be converted to paying customers

also anime anti piracy measures is just waiting for its denuvo moment like in video games imo video games piracy took a huge hit due to how less and to zero pirates can crack denuvo
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AI is probably going to cost them a lot, and they will never get their "lost profits", because the majority of the pirates would never be paying customers to begin with, if not outright hurt their profits, because they are shutting down a massive free advertisement for their IP.
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I think the next step in the fight against piracy will be a trend toward tighter regulation of bad leakers.

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deg said:
they gonna automate dmca requests then so what now? back to torrent master race? or even older than that with irc/xdcc downloading?


I suppose they would also target torrent.
Ive already seen in live-action Japanese dramas that lawyers want to get rid of the content from torrent first because all the pirates sites actually download upload the content there.
As for me, I don't know what I'll do haha, but everything ends someday
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What a braindead use of government resources, if they (governments in general, not just Japan) wanted to do something useful they should put restrictions on how digital goods can be sold, such as not allowing the terms "buy" or "purchase" for products that the end user will ultimately have no tangible control over (usually because it cannot be downloaded and instead only streamed from the cloud, or it has DRM)
I imagine this would actually lead to increased sales if it urges companies to fuck consumers over less.
@kutuya That might actually be beneficial for us regular folk so it certainly won't be allowed to happen :(



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This just looks like government bureaucrats jumping on the AI bandwagon. They have a problem they have no idea how to fix, so they think just shoehorning in the latest trendy tech will help fix it.

Same thing happened with blockchain, when companies were trumpeting how they were implementing blockchain into their business when they barely had any use for the tech.

An agency official says it takes time and money to find piracy websites with human eyes.

And running an AI system won't?

OK, it's more likely that they think it will cost less, but why do they think that? I can't imagine AI being cheaper than hiring some minimum-wage workers to pretend to be a pirate online and ask around reddit or even MAL.

Besides, I don't think AI is supposed to help with the process of actually shutting them down, a process that also takes time and money. How much money are they saving exactly purely to find them?
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they should just hire me i would rat out all the websites for some $$$$ (I agree with the above post about shoehorning in ai)
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how about instead of trying to kill a hydra with a wooden stick they gut the streaming industry with their trading shows between platforms to force people to buy 5 different streaming services to watch one franchise?
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Most of them are hosted in .ru so goodluck with that hahahahaha. Again, Piracy is a Service issue.
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I live in a small country where only limited titles are sold on discs, or up there on streaming platforms like Netflix and Disney+. So majority of times I had to go to fansubs or third party anime sites to watch these. Sometimes torrents for better quality. Official releases either lack lyrics translations, or lack physical releases over here, and not that many anime are up there on official streaming sites or locked for certain regions. Only if there are more availability of anime shows over here and not overpriced, then I would love go down this route. But sadly, many shows I watch are niche, so the chance of seeing these being released over here is literally 0%. Even popular shows only have certain seasons being released here. Order online can sometimes be dodgy quality-wise, or not even deliver to my region. So it's the industry themselves that made this harder for themselves by not "spreading the word" to a long distance. There are more mangas over here than anime on discs tbh.

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For alot of people, specially countries that are more... Lets say "backwards" in Anime watching, good and services, piracy is the only way for them to watch any show. Streaming services dont present half of anime catholgs out there. And there is no chance of buying Blue Rays from Japan.
At the same time, i get why Japan wants to target this, but like i said, piracy made alot of Anime fans. People should just stop talk about famous sites, if you get it, stop spreading. I have even seen on IG some time ago a AMV about a piracy site, lmao.
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Japan's culture agency to build AI system to detect piracy websites

For Japan,

I'm begging you if you want to shutdown those "sites" that helps us watch older anime not available in any streaming services in our country.
Create an ALTERNATIVE SITE where we can watch it, doesn't matter if it is AD-BASED or SUBSCRIPTION just be better with Crunchyroll. Put all your goddamn older anime there too.
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Prepare for MAL to get angry letters from AI lawyers, since it has all these cover images for pretty much all anime.

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