will the MAL anime community at least not confuse demographics like Shonen and Seinen as genres with the new website update?
here are the new categories courtesy of the search function  and this is the announcement for it https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1956762 hopefully the anime community here on MAL at least stop misusing the terms now thoughts? |
| I'm not sure people are so used to it... |
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| No. The confusion comes from the misconception that shonen equals kids and seinen equals more blood than usual, not from the fact that some people consider them genres. |
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Theo1899 said: No. The confusion comes from the misconception that shonen equals kids and seinen equals more blood than usual, not from the fact that some people consider them genres. nah the confusion comes from functionally failed adults and teenagers that think that edgy exposition and pseudointellectual mess equals maturity and wants to be acknowledged by others by calling their favorite anime a seinen because apparently being an adult is intrinsically better and would elevate their status |
Gween_Gween said: maybe it's an anime genre where the entries are anime that ever won awards or something igwhat is award winning category and why is it a genre |
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| "at least not confuse" I wish this would happen...but I think shounen = battle shounen is too deeply engrained in "weeb culture". |
nakedapronmember said: Gween_Gween said: maybe it's an anime genre where the entries are anime that ever won awards or something igwhat is award winning category and why is it a genre of course but why the fuck is that a genre lmao you dont go to the oscars and there is an award for best award winning film isnt it, which is the stylistic criteria |
| Nice change. Not everyone will understand, but some people will. "Dementia" became "Avant Garde". Makes sense, I like it. |
| Hopefully. Tbh I don’t even understand why the misconception is so prolific . |
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JudaiYuuki said: alshu said: "at least not confuse" I wish this would happen...but I think shounen = battle shounen is too deeply engrained in "weeb culture". What about the seinen = battle seinen? Can you give me an example of battle seinen? |
| "Avant Garde" surely sounds fancy af, lmao. Average Avant Garde Enjoyer  |
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JudaiYuuki said: Here a few: Gantz, Berserk, Steel Ball Run, Alita Battle Angel, Wolf Guy, Akumetsu, Terra Formars, Battle Royale. None of those is battle seinen. Battle seinen should be called something which uses the same formulas as battle shounen. An example would be Heion Sedai no Idaten-tachi. Point is there is no massive confusion about what seinen is. People don't expect every seinen being like Berserk. |
| It will take some time to clear off this misconception of many |
| what the heck? Still no Coming-of-Age catergory in here? |
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FMmatron said: Kingdom is a textbook battle seinen. Remove the gore and you could publish it in Jump. 1. I am not familiar with Kingdom, I trust you on that one. 2. Being published in Shounen Jump is not a proof battle-ism tho. JudaiYuuki said: Vinland Saga and Golden Kamuy. Vinland Saga has some battle shounen elements in its prologue - so, yeah but only partially. Golden Kamuy is nothing like battle shounen. |
alshuSep 15, 2021 4:48 AM
alshu said: FMmatron said: Kingdom is a textbook battle seinen. Remove the gore and you could publish it in Jump. 1. I am not familiar with Kingdom, I trust you on that one. 2. Being published in Shounen Jump is not a proof battle-ism tho. JudaiYuuki said: Vinland Saga and Golden Kamuy. Vinland Saga has some battle shounen elements in its prologue - so, yeah but only partially. Golden Kamuy is nothing like battle shounen. I just picked Jump because it's the most famous magazine, not because all it's manga are battle shounen. There are many sports, gag series, harems, psycholgical as well. That said, I would say at least 90% of the big battle shounen were born in Jump. Kinnikuman, Hokuto no Ken, Sakigake (became a full battle shounen later) Dragon Ball, JoJo, Yu Yu Hakusho, HxH, Bleach, MyHero, Demon Slayer, just to name a few ones from all decades. Also a few unorthodox battle shounen such as Death Note, Bakuman, or Food Wars. You could say it shaped the landscape. And I'm absolutely with you when it comes to Vinland Saga and Golden Kamuy, they don't feel like battle shounen in particular. |
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| While I agree seperating demograpics from genres, I'm stiill not fond of all the renaming that happend as well because my list is based and filterable by those now older MAL tags and I don't like revamping my 1300+ entry list just because MAL does something about theiir tags that used to be like this back in the stone age. |
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| Avant Garde is going to be fun to casually drop now lol Dementia did sound way more fitting for some of these titles tho ngl. |
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| this change is useless if they don't create themes like isekai, magical girls, magic and others. That "award winning" was made for ghibli fans so that they can boast about their mediocre movies |
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| Why do we still now have an Isekai theme to search for? It's popular enough that adding it is a necessity at this point, it's not that easy to find them on this site |
| girls love lmao. y r u g- no isekai genre I sleep. |
| It'll probably happen less but I'm sure not everyone noticed that announcement or the change |
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| Good. That is how it suppose to be. Shounen, seinen etc are demographics, not genre. Only idiot think otherwise. |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| I can already see them confusing demographic with theme instead of genre. |
| Is it a stupid question asking why there is a "kids" tag and "Shounen" tag? wouldn't kids titles be classified as Shounens technically? I mean 5 year olds watch One Piece and Dragon Ball that appeal to kids while also appealing to an older kid and teen audience. |
Zeroflamez said: Is it a stupid question asking why there is a "kids" tag and "Shounen" tag? wouldn't kids titles be classified as Shounens technically? I mean 5 year olds watch One Piece and Dragon Ball that appeal to kids while also appealing to an older kid and teen audience. My guess is, that anime with the "kids" tag are meant to appeal exclusively to younger children and/or to children of both genders. |
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| I wouldn't get my hopes up. No matter what the admins of this site will do, there will always be misunderstandings and complaints. |
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| How is award winning a genre? Like what? |
| They better not, as this is what Shounen and such has always meant. People can stay coping if they truly want. |
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| AOT goes on about politics so I think by definition it should be seinen. I don't think the confusion will die out, people just seem to not understand the demographic is solely dependent on the magazine it is published in. Yes, AOT No Regrets will always be a shoujo anime. https://myanimelist.net/anime/25781/Shingeki_no_Kyojin__Kuinaki_Sentaku Demographics don't even mean a lot if you are an avid anime watcher tbh. |
Camchop04 said: Gween_Gween said: what is award winning category and why is it a genre Series which have won notable awards, specifically the awards announced by the MAL News Team. It is a genre because it should only be set by moderators, not voted on by the community. Themes however are voted on by users. Couldnt they do another category that is not set by the community? I understand that the community would set the more fluid concepts while the moderators the more factual ones, but if we go through the concept of genre then if Award Winning is a genre then Bestseller would be too. They are factual categories NextUniverse said: AOT goes on about politics so I think by definition it should be seinen. I don't think the confusion will die out, people just seem to not understand the demographic is solely dependent on the magazine it is published in. Yes, AOT No Regrets will always be a shoujo anime. https://myanimelist.net/anime/25781/Shingeki_no_Kyojin__Kuinaki_Sentaku Demographics don't even mean a lot if you are an avid anime watcher tbh. When I was 14 I was way more avid to politics than now, why would you equal politics to adults when you can make textbook politics to appeal teenagers |
Gween_Gween said: That first sentence was misleading, I was speaking as if I were the average anime community member, it's more of what I understand of the community when categorising what anime belongs to which demographic. Basically, "politics = deep, therefore it must be seinen". It wouldn't be surprising to relate politics to teenagers lol. Hell, even children.NextUniverse said: AOT goes on about politics so I think by definition it should be seinen. I don't think the confusion will die out, people just seem to not understand the demographic is solely dependent on the magazine it is published in. Yes, AOT No Regrets will always be a shoujo anime. https://myanimelist.net/anime/25781/Shingeki_no_Kyojin__Kuinaki_Sentaku Demographics don't even mean a lot if you are an avid anime watcher tbh. When I was 14 I was way more avid to politics than now, why would you equal politics to adults when you can make textbook politics to appeal teenagers |
NextUniverse said: Gween_Gween said: That first sentence was misleading, I was speaking as if I were the average anime community member, it's more of what I understand of the community when categorising what anime belongs to which demographic. Basically, "politics = deep, therefore it must be seinen". It wouldn't be surprising to relate politics to teenagers lol. Hell, even children.When I was 14 I was way more avid to politics than now, why would you equal politics to adults when you can make textbook politics to appeal teenagers Shit I just read the first sentence lmao dont judge me I just wake up |
| >theme >harem ahhh finally, MAL acknowledges that it is what the author wants to be and the viewer wants to be. |
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