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Sep 15, 2021 12:23 AM
#1
| I am extremely excited (and slightly terrified) to announce that we are in the process of rolling out a new Genres + Themes system on MAL! When all development is complete, we aim to have a robust system which consists of three parts:
By limiting the genres to only a handful of top-level categories, and opening themes to the community to apply to entries, we hope to greatly improve the number of keywords our databases can be searched with. Since the genres system was extremely outdated (an overhaul has been a long time coming), we've split development into two parts. Part 1 - Genres Released today ✅ Split existing demographics and themes away from genres. ✅ Modify old genres: rename, remove, and add missing ones. ✅ Add genres and demographics as columns to the Anime List and Manga List (edit yours here). 🔜 Create new and strong definitions for each genre so that its usage is better defined. ↑ The DB mods and I are currently working hard on this, so expect some genre shuffling over the next weeks. Part 2 - Themes Coming Soon 🔜 Allow all users to vote on pre-defined themes by using the "Tags" section of their Anime/Manga Lists. 🔜 Modify current themes: rename, remove, and add missing ones (e.g. Isekai!). ↑ Currently systematically reviewing 600~700 themes to decide the final ones while tech is in development. New Genre List
New Themes List Coming Soon I hope this post was clear and that you'll look forward to continuous developments as this system rolls out! [September 15 Update] I added explanations for the three new genres which seemed to confuse everyone. Please note that just because a tag you like (e.g. Music) is not in the "Genre" list, does not make it suddenly disappear or lesser than the others. We want to make it very clear which field is set by moderators (Genres) and which field can also be added based on community vote (Themes). If you enjoy Music anime, this means you more freely vote to add a Music tag to an entry that doesn't have it yet. Yes, we plan to make it possible to both include and exclude genres/themes using the advanced search very soon. This should help you to easily separate what was previously Yaoi/Yuri from BL/GL. Yes, we know how much you want Dark Mode. It affects every single page on the website and so is not an easy change to implement without significant backend work. Please understand that it will take time and you will likely see many new features/upgrades before Dark Mode is added. Magic was removed because it was synonymous with Fantasy and the moderators were struggling with what to do with it even before we began discussing the overhaul. We will get more specific themes (e.g. Mahou Shoujo) to help you find the series you want to watch/read. Your list tags can still be used as normal. If your existing tag (e.g. Isekai) matches MAL's pre-defined tag (e.g. Isekai), then it will count as a vote for that Theme. If your custom tag (e.g. weroi1h51ohq) does not match MAL's pre-defined themes, it will not count as a vote. How many people voted on a theme will not be visible: there will be a threshold required to meet for it to display on the entry. This threshold can be bypassed if a moderator sets it. A theme can also be removed if mods blacklist it for that entry. I know how users like to use list tags (e.g. some people like to fill them with sentences instead of words) so please don't worry that your tags will somehow be invalid. The genre list is made as few as possible to limit the number of genres which must be set by moderators only. Users can vote on themes precisely because moderating the addition of many, many new themes would be impossible from a moderation-only standpoint—we don't want Themes backing up the queue. Rapidly expanding our genres/themes is simply not feasible without community aid. Nor is it feasible to require mod pre-approval for every entry. So we are striking a balance between community voting power (Themes) and moderator pre-approval (Genres). I understand that this is all very hard to imagine with only half the system deployed now so please give things a few more weeks. This entire process is incredibly stressful for everyone, including the mod team as we painstakingly try to redefine and shortlist the themes to launch with. Also, please understand that the advantage of all this development will be that if we need a new genre/theme due to rising fads in Japan, it will be significantly easier to add them now than it was previously. So it's not like we expect the new lists to be cast in stone for eternity another 15 years. If I missed answering any very specific questions you had for me even after reading this update, please mention me and I will try to answer as soon as I can. |
KinetaSep 15, 2021 8:37 PM
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Sep 15, 2021 12:43 AM
#2
| Fantastic! I noticed the new genres before you split it up in genres/themes/demographic and I really love it. It was a very necessary update. |
dylelouchSep 15, 2021 4:10 AM
Sep 15, 2021 12:51 AM
#3
Sep 15, 2021 1:02 AM
#4
| This is awesome, I'm looking forward to the Part 2 of this update. Kineta said: Avant Garde—old "Dementia" genre renamed, since majority of works fit the new genre. @Kineta Are there plans to check if Avant Garde correctly applies to former Dementia entries and if it applies to anime that didn't have the Dementia tag? That would be a lot of work, but otherwise the tagging would be too unreliable in my opinion. Edit: added mention |
removed-userSep 16, 2021 7:03 AM
Sep 15, 2021 1:05 AM
#5
I definitely agree with this change, the dementia tag had so much stuff that didn't really fit in it Makes much more sense now |
Sep 15, 2021 1:09 AM
#6
| Omg. Finally. This update is really great. No one will be stupid enough to call demographics a genre anymore. |
Sep 15, 2021 1:13 AM
#7
Sep 15, 2021 1:27 AM
#8
| Still no dark mode. Heh. |
Sep 15, 2021 1:32 AM
#9
Sep 15, 2021 1:47 AM
#10
Kineta said: I suggest to add a new column to the database instead of reusing tags. some folks might be already using tags in one way or another that might contradict the new purposeI am extremely excited (and slightly terrified) to announce that we are in the process of rolling out a new Genres + Themes system on MAL! When all development is complete, we aim to have a robust system which consists of three parts:
By limiting the genres to only a handful of top-level categories, and opening themes to the community to apply to entries, we hope to greatly improve the number of keywords our databases can be searched with. Since the genres system was extremely outdated (an overhaul has been a long time coming), we've split development into two parts. Part 1 - Genres Released today ✅ Split existing demographics and themes away from genres. ✅ Modify old genres: rename, remove, and add missing ones. ✅ Add genres and demographics as columns to the Anime List and Manga List (edit yours here). 🔜 Create new and strong definitions for each genre so that its usage is better defined. ↑ The DB mods and I are currently working hard on this, so expect some genre shuffling over the next weeks. Part 2 - Themes Coming Soon 🔜 Allow all users to vote on pre-defined themes by using the "Tags" section of their Anime/Manga Lists. 🔜 Modify current themes: rename, remove, and add missing ones (e.g. Isekai!). ↑ Currently systematically reviewing 600~700 themes to decide the final ones while tech is in development. New Genre List
New Themes List Coming Soon I hope this post was clear and that you'll look forward to continuous developments as this system rolls out! |
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Sep 15, 2021 2:29 AM
#11
| i had to think about a couple of these new genres for a tiny bit but...they make sense, don't they? like the erotica one -- why not just call it smut? -- it makes sense. after watching something like kuzu no honkai, it's not ecchi, and it's definitely not hentai...but it most definitely has sMuT "award winning" sounds useless but ig you'd jam all the things like Your Name into there for the normies or whatever (?) |
Sep 15, 2021 2:35 AM
#12
| isekai is now a theme eh cool and damn shonen is now a demographic as it should be |
Sep 15, 2021 2:40 AM
#13
| No Psychological, huh? That's sad. I guess a combination of Suspense an Mystery is sort of the same, but not really. Parody absence is somewhat understandable. But Military? That's strange. It seems this will be part of the Themes. But then why is Gourmet a genre? Oh, and Avant Garde genre is definitely great. |
Sep 15, 2021 2:48 AM
#14
trampler8324 said: No Psychological, huh? That's sad. I guess a combination of Suspense an Mystery is sort of the same, but not really. Parody absence is somewhat understandable. Psychological & Parody seem to have been folded into the Themes for now. Magic is the only one that has been outright deleted altogether. |
Sep 15, 2021 2:57 AM
#15
Kineta said: By limiting the genres to only a handful of top-level categories, and opening themes to the community to apply to entries, we hope to greatly improve the number of keywords our databases can be searched with. Based on this, I would feel like some of your Genres should instead go into themes. Award Winning, Gourmet, Supernatural and Work Life all feel like Themes, that could easily be a part of broader genres and don't need their own spot. WAIT... Why add stuff like Work Life as a genre, but take away Music? Music or Musical should definitely stay a genre. |
kokusuSep 15, 2021 3:37 AM
Sep 15, 2021 2:59 AM
#16
| this is the screenshot of the search function now and its cool |
Sep 15, 2021 3:01 AM
#17
| Hey, that's pretty cool. MAL is on fire. Could I ask about themes abuse on the user's side and if MAL plans to do anything about that should it arise. I am guessing just a simple removal but idk if there is more to it. Also how would "Moderator- and user-defined." work, do mods choose the themes and the users vote or do mods block themes they think are wrong? I am asking a lot lol |
Sep 15, 2021 3:04 AM
#18
| Work Life and Gourmet should be themes not genres, especially since School is a theme too. You could also include Collage as a theme as well, as a in between School and Work Life. And gourmet doesn't sound right, cooking or food would be a more appropriate name, since not all of them may be about gourmet food. Award Winning is pointless and shouldn't even be made. Erotica is all fine and dandy but what's the point of having it to make a distinction if most anime in there are tagged as both erotica and hentai? Wasn't the point of the new genre to distinguish it from hentai? Then having anime tagged as both completely defeats the purpose of it! We also need a Reverse Harem theme as almost all reverse harem are missing this and some are even falsely labeled as harem, when the two are vastly different and target different demographics!!!! I don't want to wade through thousands of "normal" harems to find that one mislabeled reverse harem anime in there! Also, Isekai, CGDCT, Iyashikei, Animals and/or Pets should be themes. Maybe all or mostly male cast and all or mostly female cast should be themes too. Maybe gore as a theme too so it can more easily be avoided by people who don't like it. (By gore i do NOT mean just violence or blood, i mean real gore, such as graphic dismemberments, explicit beheadings, being sliced/cut in two with the innards showing, brain splatter, head/body exploding with graphic details such as brains and innards, beating hearts and entrails being pulled out/ripped out, eye(s) being poked out/ripped out, cannibalism etc.) |
DauphineSep 15, 2021 3:23 AM
Sep 15, 2021 3:10 AM
#19
Dauphine said: Erotica is all fine and dandy but what's the point of having it to make a distinction if most anime in there are tagged as both erotica and hentai? Wasn't the point of the new genre to distinguish it from hentai? Then having anime tagged as both completely defeats the purpose of it! Currently the only Erotica anime are from the brute-force migration of Yaoi/Yuri entries (many of which were already tagged as Hentai). It looks like the full reconfiguration of genres/themes across the board has yet to be done (hence why the three new genres are still empty). |
Sep 15, 2021 3:18 AM
#20
| is the Political tag not that important to be included on the Themes group at least? i suggested the Politics genre to be added a while ago here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1918099 Anime Planet has the Political filter and they tag 100+ anime shows so far here https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/political |
Sep 15, 2021 3:22 AM
#21
deg said: is the Political tag not that important to be included on the Themes group at least? i suggested the Politics genre to be added a while ago here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1918099 Anime Planet has the Political filter and they tag 100+ anime shows so far here https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/political That's a very good idea too, i second the inclusion of the Political theme too! |
Sep 15, 2021 3:24 AM
#22
Dauphine said: deg said: is the Political tag not that important to be included on the Themes group at least? i suggested the Politics genre to be added a while ago here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1918099 Anime Planet has the Political filter and they tag 100+ anime shows so far here https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/political That's a very good idea too, i second the inclusion of the Political theme too! ye thanks for the support hopefully it will be added as part of the Themes at least |
Sep 15, 2021 3:26 AM
#23
Wow, I've actually wanted this for over a decade. I had a long phase where I was manually inputting them as tag for every single entry (you wouldn't believe how much effort that took!), then recently started using some third party script that automated the process. |
Sep 15, 2021 3:26 AM
#24
| Seems cool, but Gourmet as a genre? Like, Food Wars and Isekai Shokudou and that's it? And also, what are we going to tag shows like Domestic Girlfriend and Scum's Wish? Like, they have sex in them, but they're not Hentai. But they also don't feel Ecchi like, say, Food Wars. Need something in between |
dadnayaSep 15, 2021 3:29 AM
Sep 15, 2021 3:35 AM
#25
Modify current themes: rename, remove, and add missing ones (e.g. Isekai!). Oh my god guys it's happening. Finally. |
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Sep 15, 2021 3:37 AM
#26
| Can't wait for every CGDCT show to have "YURI" theme, and every sport anime with hot boys to have "YAOI" theme, because that's what will be a popular vote by users. @Kineta You have a site with a regular boting problems when comes to ratings, and now you will have even more. |
Sep 15, 2021 3:42 AM
#27
dadnaya said: Seems cool, but Gourmet as a genre? Like, Food Wars and Isekai Shokudou and that's it? I know some more: Kakuriyo no Yadomeshi, Yume-iro Pâtissière, Bonjour♪Koiaji Pâtisserie, Piace: Watashi no Italian, Yakitate!! Japan, Chuuka Ichiban!, Cookin' Idol Ai! Mai! Main!, Cooking Papa, Pan de Peace!, Ramen Daisuki Koizumi-san, Dagashi Kashi, JK Meshi!, Emiya-san Chi no Kyou no Gohan, Cooking with Valkyries, Deaimon and maybe Youkai Apartment no Yuuga na Nichijou counts too? And there's probably more i'm missing right now. Well, there's a erotica genre now that's in between them so i'm guessing they will be tagged as that in the future. |
Sep 15, 2021 3:47 AM
#28
Swagernator said: Can't wait for every CGDCT show to have "YURI" theme, and every sport anime with hot boys to have "YAOI" theme, because that's what will be a popular vote by users. @Kineta You have a site with a regular boting problems when comes to ratings, and now you will have even more. But that would be completely false, it would need to be moderated, we don't' want to scare away users by having innocent anime tagged erroneously with such misleading tags!!! |
Sep 15, 2021 3:47 AM
#29
| Tags are good. Gonna wait for part 2. |
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Sep 15, 2021 3:49 AM
#30
| I like how there's new genres, but if we're adding some we may as well go all of the way with every theme to exist lol. Gourmet is quite a niche. I don't know why Avant Garde is a genre rather than a theme unless that's the plot of the show itself rather than the style of it. Award-Winning definitely isn't a genre involved with the plot lmao. Are we missing any other genres? I'm crying that GL and BL are now in English, thought they got removed the second I looked lol. The themes part basically looks like the Anilist tags I've liked, I assume? I've been wanting to add excluding tags in the advanced search for ages, as of right now we can only tick boxes; double-clicking should cross it out. We can only exclude tags or include tags, but not do both at once. A lot of people use the Tags for their comments, though. Is that going to cause disruption? dadnaya said: That's what the Erotica tag is for.Seems cool, but Gourmet as a genre? Like, Food Wars and Isekai Shokudou and that's it? And also, what are we going to tag shows like Domestic Girlfriend and Scum's Wish? Like, they have sex in them, but they're not Hentai. But they also don't feel Ecchi like, say, Food Wars. Need something in between @Swagernator I'm assuming it will be voted like requesting an edit for an anime or character will be like - only on the database once a moderator confirms it. Or, at least I hope so. |
Sep 15, 2021 3:53 AM
#31
| Looks good, happy with the demographics being given their own category. Themes sounds interesting, hopefully it won't leak to trolling like people voting explicit themes for kids shows lol I don't think award winning should be a genre though. |
Sep 15, 2021 3:59 AM
#32
| These are some fantastic changes ^.^ I’m curious to how the ‘award winning’ category will work. Is it going to be community based or will it be categorised by anime that have won awards at film festivals and the like? |
Sep 15, 2021 4:10 AM
#33
Dauphine said: But that would be completely false, it would need to be moderated, we don't' want to scare away users by having innocent anime tagged erroneously with such misleading tags!!! Bunille said: @Swagernator I'm assuming it will be voted like requesting an edit for an anime or character will be like - only on the database once a moderator confirms it. Or, at least I hope so. The theme i used was just an extreme example i used. I just don't like the idea of anything by user voted, userbase can't even agree on a simple name, so they request edit to the point the moderators need to add specific note in the profile to NOT request any more changes. And that's just a name, now we have the entire thing to deal with. |
Sep 15, 2021 4:11 AM
#34
dadnaya said: Seems cool, but Gourmet as a genre? Like, Food Wars and Isekai Shokudou and that's it? There are also Toriko, Chuuka Ichiban, Yakitate, Ristorante Paradiso and a few more that would warrant such a tag. And don't forget about manga, I saw that there're way more food themed series than expected. |
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Sep 15, 2021 4:11 AM
#35
Moderator- and user-defined. Users can vote on themes using the "Tags" field on their lists. Oh no... This is asking for trouble. Don't feel like updating my entire 1300+ entry list (PTW counted) just for this. My entire list was filterable based on the previous tags from MAL and I really don't feel like revamping all of this as well. I don't understand why you guys can put time, effort and energy in this, but still are too lazy for even putting out an official dark mode (which is like 5 minutes of work?) is beyond me. What do you guys even mean with Award Winning? Should not be a tag imo. I do agree with seperating the demograpics though. But that's pretty much the only thing I would agree on from this change. |
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Sep 15, 2021 4:12 AM
#36
Sep 15, 2021 4:24 AM
#37
| The logistics of demoting Music as a genre to a theme seems like a mess to overcome. A lot of idol and idol-adjacent anime are consistently among the least watched shows of the seasons they air, and so most never get a genre tag other than Music. Is having dozens of anime in the database with zero genres listed the goal here? |
Sep 15, 2021 4:25 AM
#38
| Pretty good updates here in last few days, first with People section and now this. But what will the Gourmet and Award winning sections will include |
Sep 15, 2021 4:32 AM
#39
| Good. Some weird options but its fine now. |
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Sep 15, 2021 4:35 AM
#40
Kineta said: ✅ Add genres and demographics as columns to the Anime List and Manga List (edit yours here). Brilliant. It's what I was using my tags section for anyway, so this is great, cuts out me having to manually write that stuff in there. On the genres and theme division, I love the logic behind it, though there are a couple of things I've noticed in the brief look I've given the changes; 1) Work Life is a genre but School is a theme? I mean they should probably both be themes. 2) Award winning as a genre? I mean that's not a genre. If that's really something you guys want to add, I'd suggest maybe doing something like adding a badge or something to an anime that has won whichever awards we're talking about here. |
fwddSep 15, 2021 4:44 AM
Sep 15, 2021 4:38 AM
#41
Bunille said: The themes part basically looks like the Anilist tags I've liked, I assume? Yep, really reminds me of the Tags in anilist and those are a bit messy at times too, guess moderators really will have to be on top of these things to prevent abuse. It's an interesting change overall but yall may want to rethink some of those genres or it will be harder instead of easier to find series in certain categories. Also as some have mentioned before, not sure about that Award winning genre thing... people are already swayed by the hype behind some shows and it genuinely adds nothing to the categorizing so I don't really see the point. Magic can definitely be a Genre though, same ass Music since tehre's so much that can be included in both. Work-life isn't that basically a "theme" under Slice of Life though? |
-miraiiSep 15, 2021 8:46 AM
Sep 15, 2021 4:39 AM
#42
| MAL forgot Tragedy and Coming-of-age tag here :( |
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Sep 15, 2021 4:45 AM
#43
| Award Winning should not exist. Not as genre. Not as theme. |
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Sep 15, 2021 5:06 AM
#44
| Except the Award-winning genre that has been added, everything else is great. |
Sep 15, 2021 5:16 AM
#45
| There's so much I want to ask about and comment on... but I need to be on a computer first to be able to quote and such properly. (MAL forums on mobile are so not friendly) Also I would like to think that a dark mode is equally important as this. (oh this gives me flashbacks to when the profiles pages designs were updated lol) More on that, please 😭 Goal: Limit the number of genres to as few as possible Will we get an explanation as to why? Why was it needed for this to be released without a prior announcement and such Themes [New!] Story categories which easily contain 50-100+ well-known works in the community. I think it's very important to include a clear definition of what will be considered a genre vs a theme on this site. You can already see the wreck it has created. It can be on a guideline thread or the genre info page. By limiting the genres to only a handful of top-level categories, and opening themes to the community to apply to entries, we hope to greatly improve the number of keywords our databases can be searched with. If themes will allow users to vote for them and there's a plan to make them a searchable thing, does that mean that as soon as one is added it will appear or it will still require a moderator approval before it goes live? As in to avoid trolls and such. Part 1 - Genres ✅ Split existing demographics and themes away from genres. ✅ Modify old genres: rename, remove, and add missing ones. ✅ Add genres and demographics as columns to the Anime List and Manga List (edit yours here). Will we get to know why some were decided to be removed and/or renamed? Will those be final decisions once they are live? Cause it's baffling that Magic was yeeted just like that. Also, does that includes the filter on our anime list allowing to search/filter by genres and/or demographics? Part 2 - Themes Coming Soon 🔜 Allow all users to vote on pre-defined themes by using the "Tags" section of their Anime/Manga Lists. 🔜 Modify current themes: rename, remove, and add missing ones (e.g. Isekai!). This is the part that kinda worries me the most. Does that means that by default all our tags will be, like, put out there for others to vote? What about tags we don't want to be included on the db for others and are just our own thing to make some stuff easier to identify? For example, I am currently using easily over 50 personal tags related to anime challenges. They won't make sense to others and I don't want them to be voted on. What is going to happen to that? Or will the tags section current form/usage be completely different and/or yeeted too? |
SheyCroixSep 15, 2021 3:52 PM
Sep 15, 2021 5:18 AM
#46
| Like the direction this is headed. I'd like to see Magic brought back, and Award-Winning doesn't need to be a thing in genres or themes, as it's neither. Awards should be its own tab like More Info. |
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Sep 15, 2021 5:23 AM
#47
| Sounds great, although some of the distinctions between genre and theme could use some tweaking (how is work life a genre but school a theme?). That aside though, can you PLEASE finally add the ability when searching to both include some genres/themes and exclude others though? That would massively improve the functionality of the themes feature and is something I've been hoping for for ages. |
Sep 15, 2021 5:23 AM
#48
| why the "erotica"? is it just to refer to yuris and bls with erotic content? |
Sep 15, 2021 5:29 AM
#49
| Would like to see Magic return and Award Winning perhaps as a badge like someone else suggested prior to me. Maybe Mahou Shoujo and Magic could be separate categories? Other than that it'll probably make searching a lot less pain on the brain having to search for certain things in a big mass of words One thing I'd like to mention is that I would've liked a site announcement about this in advance so I could've mentally prepared for this (and maybe also in different ways) Sorry for the weird phrasing I'm still letting this stuff sink in atm Edit: I second dark mode |
Sep 15, 2021 5:30 AM
#50
| what happened to the psychological genre? |
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