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| @HaiiroTama @Everyone who apparently has their brain turned off This show IS far from nonsensical/incoherent/incomprehensible. I don't understand why you and so many people are having trouble grasping the simple and basic concepts. One girl is a school girl who is living within a shell of herself. Being the ideal girl/student, basically living the sheep life. Another girl, who presumably grew up in a lab/research group or was (partially) created by a lab/research group, is searching for a partner. This partner is needed for her to explore the world of pure illusion. Several of the details of this have not been revealed yet, obviously, but this is basic fantasy/mahou shoujo stuff. The second girl breaks the first out of her shell, etc, etc. Now, the world of pure illusion represents a dream-like world. It is quite possibly even another dimension, etc. Basically, it is detached from the other world. These girls can't become "magical" in the normal world (where the story begins). They only become "magical" in the world of illusion. Basically, like a lucid dream dimension. Each time they enter, it is a different world, as dreams are different each time. They are gathering these crystals/gems/whatever to bring back to their research group. Their use is unknown at this time. There is now a rival organization also searching for these gems. The world of illusion idea gives all of these animators the freedom to create their own dream-like stories, universes, art, animation, references, etc. It is artistic freedom in an industry that restricts it so much. I mean, seriously everyone. This shit is extremely easy to follow. Enjoy the illusion ride and we will see how the other elements tie-in. |
KingYoshiOct 20, 2016 3:39 PM
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| Beginning reminded me of Star Wars...that desert planet and weird glowing eye creatures xD The transformation scene was on point, and them twins look great <3 |
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| Woah, that flashy transformation sequence. This episode started so randomly, but it was damn enjoyable. |
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| This show is an awesome burst of creative energy, and this was the best episode yet. I like the diversity of environments that Pure Illusion provides. So far every chapter has been so fun to watch due largely to the personality each of these worlds has. The amount of interesting and wacky characters introduced in this episode alone would fill half an average series' runtime, yet here they're delivered in just twenty frenetic minutes. Pure Illusion = Pure entertainment. They're revealing just enough of the overall plot to provide some intrigue, but really, they can unravel it as slowly as they want as long as the individual anecdotes remain this charming. |
KingYoshi said: Thank you for reminding @Everyone (RIP in pieces poor lad/lass who'll get ping'd outta nowhere) of the bare bones of the story that everyone and their dog probably already caught on. Obviously I'm not completely excluding the possibility that I might be wrong, but I'd wager what most people here consider random is the actual content of all these expedition to Pure Illusion, which, believe it or not, does represent a pretty darn significant part of the show.I mean, seriously everyone. This shit is extremely easy to follow. Enjoy the illusion ride and we will see how the other elements tie-in. Note that it doesn't in itself necessarily constitute a criticism, as more and more about the world and the different factions within it may (and probably will) be explained in the future and the very whimsical and abstract vibes the show gives are definitely part of its appeal, but so far I'd say the comments about the randomness of each vignette we've been presented thus far are perfectly warranted. |
SapewlothOct 20, 2016 5:21 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| That world was rather bumpy. animefan8800 said: Well that sure felt random. Lotsa crazy anime and film references. Star Wars, Mad Max, Dragon Ball, magical girls, etc... perhaps mostly though, for me, Space Dandy what with all the unique worlds. While I definitely saw Mad Max type stuff in there, for some reason, given the dry sand, the masked villagers, and the pitifully inadequate well, when Cocona and Papika first started fighting this was what popped into my head: ... ... ... (and here I thought I had erased that from my memory...) |
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| We going Mad Max now boys. In general this reminds me a lot of Space Dandy (in that its about a group of people traveling to other worlds to collect, and that every episode is different from the last). Helps that the animation director(?) for this worked on that series as well. |
KingYoshi said: If there was a like button in MAl, I would of like your comment.@HaiiroTama @Everyone who apparently has their brain turned off This show IS far from nonsensical/incoherent/incomprehensible. I don't understand why you and so many people are having trouble grasping the simple and basic concepts. One girl is a school girl who is living within a shell of herself. Being the ideal girl/student, basically living the sheep life. Another girl, who presumably grew up in a lab/research group or was (partially) created by a lab/research group, is searching for a partner. This partner is needed for her to explore the world of pure illusion. Several of the details of this have not been revealed yet, obviously, but this is basic fantasy/mahou shoujo stuff. The second girl breaks the first out of her shell, etc, etc. Now, the world of pure illusion represents a dream-like world. It is quite possibly even another dimension, etc. Basically, it is detached from the other world. These girls can't become "magical" in the normal world (where the story begins). They only become "magical" in the world of illusion. Basically, like a lucid dream dimension. Each time they enter, it is a different world, as dreams are different each time. They are gathering these crystals/gems/whatever to bring back to their research group. Their use is unknown at this time. There is now a rival organization also searching for these gems. The world of illusion idea gives all of these animators the freedom to create their own dream-like stories, universes, art, animation, references, etc. It is artistic freedom in an industry that restricts it so much. I mean, seriously everyone. This shit is extremely easy to follow. Enjoy the illusion ride and we will see how the other elements tie-in. |
| Holy crap this episode actually was pretty mad max but even more!, it's like if you put sailor moon mad max dragon ball z and kill la kill all in one episode i loved the fight animation was waiting for a real fight. And i guess it's safe to say this is kinda a tone shift i'm sure there will be some more carefree adventures but that one scene when concoa got the mask put on her was unexpected bit more intense than what you would think is a kids show at first glance. Flip Flappers keeps surprising me i'm just gonna think of it as Kyousou Giga where it won't make a lot of sense till the end if they actually do the story right. |
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Stark700 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Holy shit, some of the monsters in this series are more hideous than I had thought. The fighting felt pretty colorful and ecstatic, almost gave me a Kill la Kill-like feel. Papika is awesome but the beating she took was painful to watch especially since it was against her friend controlled by the mask. Glad Papika made a nice return at the right place at the right time though! Kokona and Papika make a good team. My favorite episode so far from this series. I need help pls! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this episode! But I gotta know: they did transform using the crystals they got from the two "missions" they made right? |
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| I loved the way it was exaggerated. I never feel this awake watching, last time was the action scenes in TTGL. |
| "This (anime) industry is weird" - Chitose Karasuma, Gi(a)rlish Number I hope someday someone in an anime would say, "The (anime) viewers are weird." |
Nostalgik said: I need help pls! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this episode! But I gotta know: they did transform using the crystals they got from the two "missions" they made right? I think they have their own crystals apart from the ones they're getting from their missions. |
| "This (anime) industry is weird" - Chitose Karasuma, Gi(a)rlish Number I hope someday someone in an anime would say, "The (anime) viewers are weird." |
| The mahou shoujo scene was fantastic. Loved it when they were making all those poses. So much sakuga in this show. This show has like no limits to what they allow and I love it. |
| Great episode, this series continues to impress! |
Sapewloth said: ... I might be wrong, ... There is no "might" about it. You are not very astute if you can't see the confusion in this thread. It is @Everyone 's fault for choosing the name, lol. Also, I like how you keep using the word "random" to try and make it seem as if you are providing a good counter argument. Go back and read through the thread or my post if you must. "Nonsensical/incoherent/incomprehensible" are the words people are using. Even aside from that, there is nothing "random" about this anime either. I guess that argument is for a future post. |
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| Oh Man this episode was full of action. I got so many vibes from Mad Max, Gurren Lagann, Kill La Kill, Sailor Moon and so on. We also seem to have gotten a small scope of who the main villains are so I like that. Great episode, my favorite so far and I am loving this show. |
| I liked this week's mix less than usual. The DBZ-like non-action fight was embarrassing after the first episodes and the magical girls were too much for me (didn't pay attention to the opening before ^^"). 4/5 Sapewloth said: More like who didn't get those references: they're so in your face you'd have to have been living under a rock for the past decade to miss them. Bobby2Hands said: There are plenty of MAL users who live in a weeb void where all they watch is anime. I must confess than after I briefly thought about Mad Max (not from this decade), I changed my mind for Hokuto no Ken because of the "martial arts" and techniques. |
Rei_IIIOct 20, 2016 9:18 PM
Ajunky said: But then there would be no need for them to bring fragments along... well, I could very well be overthinking this... They're not bringing the fragments, they are collecting it. In the first episode, Papika said that Cocona had the same smell as the fragment even though it was her first time in Pure Illusion. Their objective is not yet clear as to why they are collecting the fragments. |
| "This (anime) industry is weird" - Chitose Karasuma, Gi(a)rlish Number I hope someday someone in an anime would say, "The (anime) viewers are weird." |
KingYoshi said: and i like how you're dismissing my entire argument based on the premise that people aren't supposedly using the word "random" to describe this episode when it pops up just as often (along with plenty other adjectives to qualify the weirdness of the whole experience). You might be the one who wants to check the posts again if you don't believe me.snip. |
SapewlothNov 3, 2016 7:36 AM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I'm more interested in the rest of the series after this episode. Feels a lot like the show is going to get progressively more mature/dark a la current popular mahou shoujo trends. Was not expecting bondage girls and the types of violence we got here, I guess the first two episodes struck me as more "family-friendly". Not a bad thing though, like I said it definitely has me interested. Hopefully some more coherent plot points in the near future? We only have 13 episodes to work with. The animation style is amazing and I personally like the characters so I'm eager to see more! |
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| Unless you pay attention, this episode comes off as the embodiment of wtf. But even if you pay attention it's still pretty much wtf material lol. There was a lot of intense craziness going on. So basically, when they were sent to Pure Illusion by Salt, Cocona and Papika landed in two different places. Cocona got mind controlled by some weird gray loli who was surrounded by similarly colored women in a big bath or whatever. And the controlling made Cocona into a villain incharge of a big gang of bandits who then attack the small village when Papika landed. The reason why Cocona was fighting Papika (which was given by the weird looking loli) was weird. It was something along the lines of Cocona wanting to punch Papika deep down inside. Why would Cocona want to do that now? Didn't she get over her anger towards Papika already? She said so herself in the previous episode that she didn't mind joining Papika in her adventures. It could be that deep down Cocona is still scared and wants to kinda take out some anger at Papika for throwing them into such a place and then running away. Or it could be not restricted to this one event and might be her feelings from the first episode till this one. Or Cocona deep down, doesn't want to join Papika in these crazy adventures and doesn't like Papika for throwing her into all this nonsense. Well, that's all assuming the weird colored loli was correct or whatever. And we see Yayaka is part of some weird group which is collecting these good smelling things Papika is collecting for Salt. This organization is doing the same thing Salt and friends are doing but the reason is different. This group was probably the ones who kidnapped Cocona in the end of the first episode because And Yayaka will be fighting Cocona at some point because they're of enemy groups. This episode was pretty crazy and intense at times. We're learning more stuff about what's going on but we're still lacking the main bits about the world here. The animation was pretty cool. The transformation felt so weird but looked so good. And I like how Papika has blue hair and Cocona has red hair after transformation. |
| Wtf have I just watched? I feels all random, without objetives, characters coming from nowhere, powers coming from nowhere. I thought that they don't have powers until they get transformed, even in pure illusion; it seems that Papika does. Studio 3Hz must begin to tell their stories in a consistent and more clear way. |
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| So many pokemon and sailor moon references... The dimension once again was amazingly portrayed and the animation was so damn good, I was questioning the sanity if animators. I love how randomly each ep begins but then somehow connect with the main plot. 6/5 |
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| what a beautifully animated episode holy fuck its no suprise to me that TRIGGER is doing Inbetween animation on this show, the action scenes are so good and the face that loli girl made, you know the one, was VERY Kill la Kill |
ZjjOct 21, 2016 12:51 AM
| Definitely sensing some strained friendships ahead what with Yayaka involved in some sort of cult thing and likely a legit antagonist. Wonder how she feels about this really. |
SkyWing0 said: Nostalgik said: I need help pls! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this episode! But I gotta know: they did transform using the crystals they got from the two "missions" they made right? I think they have their own crystals apart from the ones they're getting from their missions. Mmmm I'd find it harder to believe but it's certainly possible |
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Nostalgik said: I need help pls! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this episode! But I gotta know: they did transform using the crystals they got from the two "missions" they made right? It should be. It seems like those fragments allow them to reshape reality to some extend within "Pure Illusion". Somehow it's like kids play-fighting with their imagination, with whatever they can come up with... except with an actual physical manifestation of said imagination. I guess "Pure Delusion" would be more descriptive of those worlds, as I understand it anyway. SkyWing0 said: I think they have their own crystals apart from the ones they're getting from their missions. But then there would be no need for them to bring fragments along... well, I could very well be overthinking this...[/quote] Thank you :) Well, to be able to have a logical storyline, since they didn't provide any concrete explanation, it would be safe to assume that those were the ones they gathered, but then again, that would mean that any crystal would suffice for the power they gained. We'll see we'll see ^^' |
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KingYoshi said: @HaiiroTama @Everyone who apparently has their brain turned off This show IS far from nonsensical/incoherent/incomprehensible. ...Another girl, who presumably grew up in a lab/research group or was (partially) created by a lab/research group, is searching for a partner. This partner is needed for her to explore the world of pure illusion. Several of the details of this have not been revealed yet, obviously... And again, I'm mostly trying to just explain my concerns, and I'm open to explanations that address my concerns. Not trying to upset anyone, it's just I haven't read anything that actually addresses why I am calling the show nonsensical so far. |
| I don't know if someone already noticed this. So I think this was a little hint on Cocona's abduction in Episode 1. |
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| @HaiiroTama I never said you had your "brain turned off" (which obviously isn't meant to be taken literal). I separated your name from that group. You aren't the only one in this thread "confused." |
KingYoshiOct 21, 2016 4:01 AM
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TheHasbroGAMER said: A lot of people are saying that this show is nonsensical and confusing. I'd agree. But, I'd like to shed some light on what I think is happening. I believe that "Pure Illusion" is just a sort of representation of what is happening in Papika's and Cocona's relationship. Episode 1 was Cocona discovering that she cares about Papika, episode 2 was Papika discovering that she feels the same. I believe episode 3 may have been a representation of some sort of argument between Cocona and Papika. Cocona, being a sort of empty, indecisive person may have had sex with another girl, the monster in this episode. Cocona and Papika begin to fight, Papika says she hates her and they may have even had a physical altercation. They both realize the error of their ways and make up, working together to take down the girl manipulating Cocona. Perhaps Yayaka, the twins and that KKK organisation are people against homosexuals and are trying to bring an end to them. That's all just my opinion though. Who knows if it's actually right. That is interesting and I like parts of it as a yuri fan. I do believe there is quite a bit of allegory in this series . Who knows if it will actually be close to what you stated or not, but it seems likely to be based on sexuality to some extent. Off the top of my head, I would point out one adjustment to your theory though. Yayaka would absolutely be gay and a rival to Papika in this theory. Just watch the scenes in the second episode and interactions between Cocona and Yayaka. Edit: Actually, after rewatching the scenes, Yayaka seems to be behind the curtain several times/perhaps an in the closet connection. She even tries to keep Cocona in there with her at some point, but lets her go. I'd put Yayaka as someone dealing with the same issues as Cocona, but leaning toward the other side more, hence the villain-esque role Just to give you more fuel: https://67.media.tumblr.com/10739f657d94e1b21898db3b6610c154/tumblr_oexqnx7yCr1r5fgqgo1_1280.png That is a response from the Director |
KingYoshiOct 21, 2016 5:24 AM
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| That's pretty much what I have been saying from episode one. Pure Illusion takes shape according to the perception of characters. We have already seen the whle "reassuming your identity" thing with Papika in Ep2 too. Reality shaped by perception is also the theme within Uexkull's work as I pointed out before. It also explain all the sexual subtext the environments of Pure Illusion hold, as well as fitting the theme of identity and the idea of contrast of Cocona and Papika, as well as focus on Cocona's repressive personality(in comparison to Papika's hyper-active oversharing extraverted personality) and search for identity and sexuality. The Pure Illusion in First Episode seemed to focus on alienation and fear(Dark forest, breadcrumbs, no other beings, etc). The Pure Illusion in Second Episode seemed to have more focus on empathy but also upped sexually suggestive subtext up to eleven. Likewise we have Cocona looking at the painting reminiscent of the first episode's parallel world and discussing the concept of being afraid of unknown yet being drawn to it, which she compares to herself and Papika(hello sexual identity metaphors) The Pure Illusion in Third Episode seems to focus on emotional separation and has very textual lgbt elements in the aesthetic and lore of the world they traveled to. Its as if Cocona is afraid of lesbians/repressive of the idea itself. Which is even emphasized in the Papika's "I love you" scene at the end. TLDR: Pure Illusion is equivalent of Ohtori Academy from Utena. What's more I'd even say that the "reality" Cocona exists in is also just another layer as it seems to be VERY focused on being "proper" and normal - cram schools, order, punishment for tardiness, etc. Let's not forget the surreal architecture in the salt's HQ and all that. Its also interesting that Cocona seems to recognize AkioSalt too for whatever reason, who wants to Bring the World RevolutionLiberate Pure Illusion. |
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| @KingYoshi As far as the "brain turned off" thing goes, I took the fact that you singled out my name to mean that you were including me in that group, so sorry for the misunderstanding. I'd still like to defend the people within that group though, because I think that it's legitimate to be confused by the show so far and think that it's nonsensical. I guess to sum up, everyone has different values when it comes to stories. Someone who really likes shonen stories featuring big burly men may watch this anime and hate it because the main characters aren't big burly men. If my expectations defy key aspects of the genre that this falls into, then I guess that simply means that I'm not a huge fan of this genre. But I feel like my expectations are totally reasonable, and for all either of us know, the other people who are confused but entertained like I am could also have the same expectations as me. Oh, but the thoughts from @TheHasbroGAMER and @Fai are super cool and well-thought-out, I hadn't thought of it in those ways and I'm excited to see how else the anime could build on those themes. Still, that doesn't help me suspend my disbelief at all - the literal explanation for these themes is still unresolved for now. I just thought I'd mention that I really appreciate your posts because it shows that there's a lot to gain from paying attention to context and specific events in the story. There are clearly a lot of interesting themes and whatnot present in this anime, so it'll become even more rewarding to me if they start defining more of how the world literally works. But it might also just not be that kind of anime, which would only be a letdown for people like me. Only time will tell at this point. |
| @HaiiroTama Yeah, so rewatching the series, slowed down, scene by scene, after all of this discussion and this series is very allegorical. I think you, and many more, are likely going to be disappointed as far as the story is concerned. Maybe it will create something coherent and logical enough for you, but you are going to be missing a lot. I can almost guarantee that a lot of it won't be spoon-fed/explained blatantly. Cocona's personality is indeed a psychological struggle with her place in the world and her actions/emotions make perfect sense to me. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. |
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Masked Cocona's martial arts poses were from Jackie Chan's movie |
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Bobby2Hands said: To the point of knowing about neither Star Wars nor Mad Max? Humm...🤔Sapewloth said: More like who didn't get those references: they're so in your face you'd have to have been living under a rock for the past decade to miss them. There are plenty of MAL users who live in a weeb void where all they watch is anime. Rei366 said: That's pretty understandable; given the similarities between HnK and Mad Max stuff like what we got in this episode could really be interpreted as a homage to either one of these two. That being said, if we assume Pure Illusion is somewhat connected to the girls' psyches then I believe it'd make sense for the world to be filled with pop culture references to recent stuff like the last Mad Max movie.I must confess than after I briefly thought about Mad Max (not from this decade), I changed my mind for Hokuto no Ken because of the "martial arts" and techniques. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
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