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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- In This Episode princess Marie is introduced to the French court noble customs. A particular conflict arise between her and countess duBarry, the king's mistress, where Oscar is forced to take side after her Mother was assigned by the King as a "Lady in waiting" for countess duBarry. What do u think Oscar's reaction will be? and how she will resolve this conflict? |
yma981Sep 26, 2008 5:19 AM
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| This ep is dramatic, REALLY DRAMATIC. I think a lot of women would enjoy this episode. It is highly dramatic and screams daytime Emmy. That’s right, apparently this episode is a soap opera one! And I still thoroughly enjoyed it! Lady Antoinette (“Crown Princess”) vs. Countess duBarry (“Whore-Slut”) = EPIC RIVALRY |
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| I'm trying to figure out what being a "lady in waiting" entails? Does that mean she made Oscar's mother her personal servant? I don't see Oscar playing along and siding with duBarry but at the same time I'm not sure how she can reverse a direct order from the king. Edit: Nevermind, Wikipedia to the rescue Wikipedia said: A lady-in-waiting (also called waiting maid) is a female personal assistant at a noble court, attending to a queen, a princess or other noblewoman. A lady-in-waiting is often a noblewoman of lower rank (i.e., a lesser noble) than the one she attends to, and is not considered a servant. Their duties varied from court to court. Guess that clears that up... |
tainteddonutNov 15, 2008 9:11 AM
 ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
| Oh wow duBerry is evil, not that she wasn't provoked abit(really the aunts are using Antionette) but still. I blame the Duke, he is evil. |
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| I see some epic rivalry coming up here. But her mother was really right about Marie Antoinette when seh said she's not much of a deep thinker. She just seems like the person to get herself on more trouble than she can handle because she doesn't think things through. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Here comes the rivalry! I can feel that murderous gaze radiating from Du Barry's eyes. xD She is a very jelly person. 5/5 |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| Rivalry yes, but my god how petty and superficial this is...I'm on Oscar's side here. |
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| Ah the nobles' squabbles. Oscar, you're too good to be there. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Still trying to get used to the big sparkly eyes girls have in this anime....Besides that the story seems to be moving along smoothly and Marie Antoinette seems to be talented at pissing people who she dislikes off lol. |
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| I find this episode overly dramatic and strangely, funny. I was giggling at the rivalry for almost the entire episode. I guess this is what happens when you let a child to be a heir. Being 14, Marie isn't completely at fault, she just doesn't hesitate to show what she dislikes. This series is getting interesting. I'm definitely completing it. |
Impala said: I find this episode overly dramatic and strangely, funny. I was giggling at the rivalry for almost the entire episode. |
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| Que dramón. I like it! |
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| Power flaunting, court gossip, diabolical schemes, and the aristocracy getting each other's knickers in a bunch. Cripes. |
| Oscar is so cool, she doesn't give a shit about all those chicks lmao. |
| 20 whole mins of a bunch of court ladies engaging in a see-saw battle while being drenched in an epic mixture of make up and melodrama....Christ on a bike. So the marriage with the lame looking prince was going to be a disaster. Shocking indeed. At least the political aspect is good. I must say majority of the characters need a course or two of anger management. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| Overly dramatic and stupid, how so? The mistress is losing her grip of ultimate power in the court... Nuanced gestures and sleight of hand is equivalent like a slap in the face in polite society. Whereas a male can challenge the other to a duel if he feels its gone too far, the female compatriots need to utilised soft power and underhanded tactics to dispose of their opponents. Both however can escalate to murder. A mistress like her has the potential to rule france. It's happened many times in history... The noble custom of visual addressing is pretty cruel. People can be entirely ignored if the head honcho decides to bully someone and the others like chickens follow suit to avoid incurring the same fate. I like the fact that the anime did its homework. During the time of Louis XV, Europe was enamoured with the French royal life, with the construction of the wondrous palace of Versailles. French nobles and nobles in europe eagerly watched with fascination of Louis XIV latest fashion fads and party events and replicated its grandeur. It didn't help that Loius the XIV compared to XV set the scene militarily as a lion in comparison. Especially as far as I know, in China and France, there were two political landscapes, you mustn't ignore either one. One was the court where serious affairs were conducted. The other was the social aspect, parties, plays, operas and this where not only males partook but females as well. And the females shaped the politics this way and acted as messengers of events where the stifled formal aspect of the court clamped down on. It was a gossip bonanza, loose lips were encouraged for conversation and pettiness is bound to pop it's ugly head. Sorry for the long and badly written comment but I don't understand what is so fake about this. Nobles have been alienated, murdered, promoted and demoted within the long halls of dancerooms and play gatherings. |
Cloud_IllusionsJan 25, 2017 10:00 PM
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Rosny said: Overly dramatic and stupid, how so? The mistress is losing her grip of ultimate power in the court... Nuanced gestures and sleight of hand is equivalent like a slap in the face in polite society. Whereas a male can challenge the other to a duel if he feels its gone too far, the female compatriots need to utilised soft power and underhanded tactics to dispose of their opponents. Both however can escalate to murder. A mistress like her has the potential to rule france. It's happened many times in history... The noble custom of visual addressing is pretty cruel. People can be entirely ignored if the head honcho decides to bully someone and the others like chickens follow suit to avoid incurring the same fate. I like the fact that the anime did its homework. During the time of Louis XV, Europe was enamoured with the French royal life, with the construction of the wondrous palace of Versailles. French nobles and nobles in europe eagerly watched with fascination of Louis XIV latest fashion fads and party events and replicated its grandeur. It didn't help that Loius the XIV compared to XV set the scene militarily as a lion in comparison. Especially as far as I know, in China and France, there were two political landscapes, you mustn't ignore either one. One was the court where serious affairs were conducted. The other was the social aspect, parties, plays, operas and this where not only males partook but females as well. And the females shaped the politics this way and acted as messengers of events where the stifled formal aspect of the court clamped down on. It was a gossip bonanza, loose lips were encouraged for conversation and pettiness is bound to pop it's ugly head. Sorry for the long and badly written comment but I don't understand what is so fake about this. Nobles have been alienated, murdered, promoted and demoted within the long halls of dancerooms and play gatherings. Great comment, right here. I'm quite surprised at the lengths this anime's producers went to make it historically sound, and loving every minute of it. When you look at the increased obsession with opulence and excess going on at this time it becomes no wonder that a bloody revolution came out of it. |
| Oscars plan to not get involved broke down. This is quite the interesting situation now,looking forward to her reaction and how things will play out. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Dramaaaaaa. But for once it's actually quite comedic. And with Oscar out here not giving any fucks is so relatable. Bring on the conspiring for sabotage. |
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Rosny said: Overly dramatic and stupid, how so? The mistress is losing her grip of ultimate power in the court... Nuanced gestures and sleight of hand is equivalent like a slap in the face in polite society. Whereas a male can challenge the other to a duel if he feels its gone too far, the female compatriots need to utilised soft power and underhanded tactics to dispose of their opponents. Both however can escalate to murder. A slap in the face escalating to murder is still overly dramatic. |
| Marie's got some spunk. I like how she's challenging the shadow queen. |
| OMG. Escandalo! I fucking live for this shit! It's so good. This is giving me serious Nanami vibes from Utena who happens to be my fave female character ever. I love all the catty drama. When she walked past her, paying her no mind, I was like "Ohhhh Bitch". Is there anything greater than a shoujo villain? I mean who else is fabulous enough to try and upstage someone by ordering all the designers in Paris to make them a prettier dress! It's SO petty. This is going to be good. I love it. |
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| Hilarious to see how Marie adresses Duke Orleans who tried to kill her (even though she doesn't know) but not countess Duberry (got a good chuckle seeing Marie walk past her the second time). Woman sure were scary back in the day, already having beef after just making eye contact without even having introduced themselves.... those nobles sure had nothing better to do. |
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| wow, women get jealous so easily!! Nice to see that the fucking whore is malding hahaha |
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| Ahhh, I can’t get enough of this series. I love drama!! I’m lady oscar’s side. |
| Lady Antoniette is piped up Who'd a thought I'd find this much enjoyment in a catfight !! |
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| Oh my, the DRAMA and when Marie ignored her at the garden? Beautiful. Madame du Barry's move at the end was very good. |
| Drama is over the top, I look forward to see how this conflict will turn out |
| "In fact she was born as a lowly commoner and was a whore in some filthy area of the city." *shocked* "What is a whore?" LOL I laughed at it XD this episode was so dramatic but I totally loved it hahaha. Especially when Marie passed Madame du Barry for the second time lol it was really funny. The Dauphine vs the Madame? Well... I'll just be on whichever side Oscar takes! |
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| I can't help but feel pity and empathize with Dubarry, who's carved out her own path in life, growing up poor and "cheated the system" and bought herself a lifestyle to gain an entry into the court, to then be bullied by an elitist rich mob. |
| This anime has me on the edge of my seat. I'm always disappointed when the episode ends. The politics and back and forth backstabbing. Madame Du Barry is a villain, but not a magical one or a fighter. She's a political villain. I get why Marie Antoinette hates her. Du Barry is a trash can that poisoned her husband, and seduced the king. Sure I do feel bad that she grew up in poverty, and she had to sleep around to earn money. Though she could've lived a comfortable life with a nobleman. Instead, she poisoned him and decided to go for the top dog. She's ultimately greedy and wants power, so she's not a completely sympathetic person. I think that's the genius of her character. You feel some sympathy about her growing up in poverty, and Marie Antoinette snubbing her, though you also do remember that she's underhanded. Marie Antoinette is very charming, and she does ultimately respect authority and the rules. Though even if she's on the good side, she's not a good person. She's a bully to Du Barry. Even though Du Barry is arrogant and acts like she runs the place (I mean, she kind of did though), and Du Barry killed her last husband, I feel like Marie Antoinette's issue with her is a classist thing. She only cares that a 'whore' and low class prostitute was able to get in good with the king. In the mind of Marie Antoinette, the lower classes shouldn't mingle amongst the upper classes. This is where she's not a good person at all, and... Well, I'm starting to see why the French Revolution happened. |
| Oh boy! This is top tier drama. I knew this show was popular but I didn't have high hopes for it. It delivers more than what's expected. |
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