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Sep 24, 2008 2:57 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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In This Episode princess Marie is introduced to the French court noble customs. A particular conflict arise between her and countess duBarry, the king's mistress, where Oscar is forced to take side after her Mother was assigned by the King as a "Lady in waiting" for countess duBarry. What do u think Oscar's reaction will be? and how she will resolve this conflict?
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Oct 19, 2008 8:49 AM

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This ep is dramatic, REALLY DRAMATIC. I think a lot of women would enjoy this episode. It is highly dramatic and screams daytime Emmy. That’s right, apparently this episode is a soap opera one! And I still thoroughly enjoyed it!

Lady Antoinette (“Crown Princess”) vs. Countess duBarry (“Whore-Slut”) = EPIC RIVALRY
 
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Nov 15, 2008 9:02 AM
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I'm trying to figure out what being a "lady in waiting" entails? Does that mean she made Oscar's mother her personal servant? I don't see Oscar playing along and siding with duBarry but at the same time I'm not sure how she can reverse a direct order from the king.

Edit: Nevermind, Wikipedia to the rescue
Wikipedia said:
A lady-in-waiting (also called waiting maid) is a female personal assistant at a noble court, attending to a queen, a princess or other noblewoman. A lady-in-waiting is often a noblewoman of lower rank (i.e., a lesser noble) than the one she attends to, and is not considered a servant. Their duties varied from court to court.

Guess that clears that up...
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Dec 30, 2008 10:44 PM

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Oh wow duBerry is evil, not that she wasn't provoked abit(really the aunts are using Antionette) but still.

I blame the Duke, he is evil.
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Aug 6, 2011 1:59 AM

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Fantastic opening few eps to this show. Awesome
 
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Aug 12, 2011 8:40 PM
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pretty interesting show so far though it gets really cheesy with the whole glitter n' glamour thing. but that's to be expected from a show made in 79-80.
 
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Sep 1, 2011 4:26 PM
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I see some epic rivalry coming up here.
But her mother was really right about Marie Antoinette when seh said she's not much of a deep thinker. She just seems like the person to get herself on more trouble than she can handle because she doesn't think things through.
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Jul 3, 2012 8:25 AM
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Oh man, that rivalry was excellent.
We've got the bad guys shaping up now it looks like. Will Oscar have to support DuBarry and still spend her time looking after Antoinette?
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Feb 8, 2013 12:55 AM

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Here comes the rivalry! I can feel that murderous gaze radiating from Du Barry's eyes. xD

She is a very jelly person.

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Oct 8, 2013 11:50 PM

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Rivalry yes, but my god how petty and superficial this is...I'm on Oscar's side here.
 
Mar 11, 2014 4:06 AM

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Ah the nobles' squabbles. Oscar, you're too good to be there.
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Sep 27, 2014 12:31 AM

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Still trying to get used to the big sparkly eyes girls have in this anime....Besides that the story seems to be moving along smoothly and Marie Antoinette seems to be talented at pissing people who she dislikes off lol.
 
Dec 7, 2014 10:25 AM

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I find this episode overly dramatic and strangely, funny. I was giggling at the rivalry for almost the entire episode.

I guess this is what happens when you let a child to be a heir. Being 14, Marie isn't completely at fault, she just doesn't hesitate to show what she dislikes.

This series is getting interesting. I'm definitely completing it.
 
Dec 11, 2014 9:06 AM

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I find this episode overly dramatic and strangely, funny. I was giggling at the rivalry for almost the entire episode.
 
Dec 31, 2014 6:07 PM

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Que dramón.
I like it!
 
May 25, 2015 7:13 PM
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Power flaunting, court gossip, diabolical schemes, and the aristocracy getting each other's knickers in a bunch. Cripes.
 
Aug 24, 2015 9:18 PM
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Am I the only one who is rooting for duBerry at least a little bit? I mean, she's a total self-made woman in the 18th century!
 
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At times it seems like things are blown out of proportion, and I will admit certain actions seem overdramatic, but the truth is, in history these type of interactions were pretty significant. Popularity was a big thing in the French Court. At first I was annoyed by some of it, but now that I think about it, this is pretty accurate in some ways. I love this so far.
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Great episode, Madame du Barry is a textbook copy of a woman from the 18th century of France. Don't know which side I'm rooting, not a fan of the young queen atm.
 
Apr 13, 2016 11:16 PM

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Oscar is so cool, she doesn't give a shit about all those chicks lmao.
 
Jun 7, 2016 12:50 AM

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20 whole mins of a bunch of court ladies engaging in a see-saw battle while being drenched in an epic mixture of make up and melodrama....Christ on a bike.
So the marriage with the lame looking prince was going to be a disaster. Shocking indeed. At least the political aspect is good.

I must say majority of the characters need a course or two of anger management.
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Jan 25, 2017 9:47 PM

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Overly dramatic and stupid, how so?

The mistress is losing her grip of ultimate power in the court... Nuanced gestures and sleight of hand is equivalent like a slap in the face in polite society. Whereas a male can challenge the other to a duel if he feels its gone too far, the female compatriots need to utilised soft power and underhanded tactics to dispose of their opponents. Both however can escalate to murder.

A mistress like her has the potential to rule france. It's happened many times in history...

The noble custom of visual addressing is pretty cruel. People can be entirely ignored if the head honcho decides to bully someone and the others like chickens follow suit to avoid incurring the same fate.

I like the fact that the anime did its homework. During the time of Louis XV, Europe was enamoured with the French royal life, with the construction of the wondrous palace of Versailles. French nobles and nobles in europe eagerly watched with fascination of Louis XIV latest fashion fads and party events and replicated its grandeur. It didn't help that Loius the XIV compared to XV set the scene militarily as a lion in comparison.

Especially as far as I know, in China and France, there were two political landscapes, you mustn't ignore either one. One was the court where serious affairs were conducted. The other was the social aspect, parties, plays, operas and this where not only males partook but females as well. And the females shaped the politics this way and acted as messengers of events where the stifled formal aspect of the court clamped down on. It was a gossip bonanza, loose lips were encouraged for conversation and pettiness is bound to pop it's ugly head.

Sorry for the long and badly written comment but I don't understand what is so fake about this. Nobles have been alienated, murdered, promoted and demoted within the long halls of dancerooms and play gatherings.
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Angry colorblind whore stares menacingly at a young girl for 24 minutes
 
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Rosny said:
Overly dramatic and stupid, how so?

The mistress is losing her grip of ultimate power in the court... Nuanced gestures and sleight of hand is equivalent like a slap in the face in polite society. Whereas a male can challenge the other to a duel if he feels its gone too far, the female compatriots need to utilised soft power and underhanded tactics to dispose of their opponents. Both however can escalate to murder.

A mistress like her has the potential to rule france. It's happened many times in history...

The noble custom of visual addressing is pretty cruel. People can be entirely ignored if the head honcho decides to bully someone and the others like chickens follow suit to avoid incurring the same fate.

I like the fact that the anime did its homework. During the time of Louis XV, Europe was enamoured with the French royal life, with the construction of the wondrous palace of Versailles. French nobles and nobles in europe eagerly watched with fascination of Louis XIV latest fashion fads and party events and replicated its grandeur. It didn't help that Loius the XIV compared to XV set the scene militarily as a lion in comparison.

Especially as far as I know, in China and France, there were two political landscapes, you mustn't ignore either one. One was the court where serious affairs were conducted. The other was the social aspect, parties, plays, operas and this where not only males partook but females as well. And the females shaped the politics this way and acted as messengers of events where the stifled formal aspect of the court clamped down on. It was a gossip bonanza, loose lips were encouraged for conversation and pettiness is bound to pop it's ugly head.

Sorry for the long and badly written comment but I don't understand what is so fake about this. Nobles have been alienated, murdered, promoted and demoted within the long halls of dancerooms and play gatherings.

Great comment, right here. I'm quite surprised at the lengths this anime's producers went to make it historically sound, and loving every minute of it. When you look at the increased obsession with opulence and excess going on at this time it becomes no wonder that a bloody revolution came out of it.
 
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Rosny said:
Overly dramatic and stupid, how so?

The mistress is losing her grip of ultimate power in the court... Nuanced gestures and sleight of hand is equivalent like a slap in the face in polite society. Whereas a male can challenge the other to a duel if he feels its gone too far, the female compatriots need to utilised soft power and underhanded tactics to dispose of their opponents. Both however can escalate to murder.

A mistress like her has the potential to rule france. It's happened many times in history...

The noble custom of visual addressing is pretty cruel. People can be entirely ignored if the head honcho decides to bully someone and the others like chickens follow suit to avoid incurring the same fate.

I like the fact that the anime did its homework. During the time of Louis XV, Europe was enamoured with the French royal life, with the construction of the wondrous palace of Versailles. French nobles and nobles in europe eagerly watched with fascination of Louis XIV latest fashion fads and party events and replicated its grandeur. It didn't help that Loius the XIV compared to XV set the scene militarily as a lion in comparison.

Especially as far as I know, in China and France, there were two political landscapes, you mustn't ignore either one. One was the court where serious affairs were conducted. The other was the social aspect, parties, plays, operas and this where not only males partook but females as well. And the females shaped the politics this way and acted as messengers of events where the stifled formal aspect of the court clamped down on. It was a gossip bonanza, loose lips were encouraged for conversation and pettiness is bound to pop it's ugly head.

Sorry for the long and badly written comment but I don't understand what is so fake about this. Nobles have been alienated, murdered, promoted and demoted within the long halls of dancerooms and play gatherings.

Great comment, right here. I'm quite surprised at the lengths this anime's producers went to make it historically sound, and loving every minute of it. When you look at the increased obsession with opulence and excess going on at this time it becomes no wonder that a bloody revolution came out of it.


that's pretty interesting.
 
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Oscars plan to not get involved broke down. This is quite the interesting situation now,looking forward to her reaction and how things will play out.
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Found the beginning of this episode pretty funny with how overdramatic the stain on the marriage contract was despite it being obvious foreshadowing considering how this plays out in history.

Political war over not acknowledging her wow wasn't expecting that,and everyone is in turmoil over who's ass to kiss.

 
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Dramaaaaaa. But for once it's actually quite comedic. And with Oscar out here not giving any fucks is so relatable. Bring on the conspiring for sabotage.
 
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"This is the King's order."

Nonsense! Just another form of manipulation to pressure Oscar to take Madame du Barry's side.
 
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Rosny said:
Overly dramatic and stupid, how so?

The mistress is losing her grip of ultimate power in the court... Nuanced gestures and sleight of hand is equivalent like a slap in the face in polite society. Whereas a male can challenge the other to a duel if he feels its gone too far, the female compatriots need to utilised soft power and underhanded tactics to dispose of their opponents. Both however can escalate to murder.


A slap in the face escalating to murder is still overly dramatic.
 
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