Do you believe that death is final? ⚰️

Verthandi11 said:
not baptised. never getting baptised. i dont get the symbolism of baptism. proclamation of faith shouldnt be thru passive ritual.

Verthandi11 said:
yeah my bad i hadnt realized it was a ritual to signify purification

the muslim water based purification has nothing to do with purifying the soul and is only meant to clean the body before prayer. the only ritual that is said (by some) to wash away sins is pilgrimage to makkah n that is also debated

Verthandi11 said:
yeah i was confused by when ppl say "im not christian im not even baptised"

oh no islam clearly distinguishes between the body n soul. wudhu only cleans the body before prayer. no physical ritual can clean the soul in islam. only true repentance can, which happens in the mind n heart (not literally). doesnt matter if wudhu was inspired does it ?

yup acc to islam, abraham constructed kaaba. then it was taken over by pagans over time n claimed by muslims later on who continued pilgrimage. again, origin does not affect the meaning of the ritual. pilgrimage is a ritual to signal submission to god thru the willingness of sacrificing ones time n money to make the journey.

traed said:
I was saying in general not that each religion developed seporate concepts of soul at different times. I know Islam distinguishes body, soul and spirit. Though to my understanding spirit is like the connector between body and soul. That is why I corrected myself that Islam has a different origin of it's ritual not tied to the Christian one at least not directly.

Noboru said:
Christianity does also differentiate between body, soul and spirit. The spirit is your consciousness, the soul are your emotions and your body is the present of God that allows you to move on Earth

You can also look up astral travels or out-of-body experiences

shedevri said:
Idk if I count as a christian, I was baptized at birth. live in an orthodox family, still follow the traditions, but I lost belief in god a few months ago so I proclaim myself as an atheist. IMO, after death there is nothing at all. You just die, your body gets disposed and its the end.

traed said:
Yes, I know but I was speaking about historically the development of the concept of the soul being detachable from the body.

traed said:

You were partially right though it took on meaning later by some of "saved by Jesus" or something along those lines which makes no sense with infants when infants cant consent. That bit likely has to do with something said in Genesis I believe about God's breath flowing over water (Im assuming this is an old attempt to explain waves or merely being poetic)

I felt no need to distinguish body and soul since earlier in Abrahamic religions there was no real distinction to my recall. Your body was your soul. The distinction came about later. Though I have made the mistake of not considering where Islam's ritual purification stemmed from which it actually comes from the Zoroastrians who ritually cleansed five times a day. The pilgrimage you describe predates Islam too as a a pagan ritual which even is acknowledged in a Hadith as such origin.

Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. But he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 3:5-6, 11-12

Meusnier said:
Once more, atheists prove their shameful inability to think. Céline is more alive today on his 128th birthday than any of you will ever be...

EndlessMaria said:

Damn I didn't know GenshinRosaria was secretly an atheist who is trolling pretending to be a Christian. It all makes sense now.

Zaygo said:
I believe there is just a void after death. You don't party with god in heaven, nor do you burn in hell. As for baptism, I am not a Christian and I was named in a very weird way. So read ahead if you want to hear the full story.

So my parents believe in snake worship. When I was to be named, they took me to a forest in South India, which I still visit to this day. Its a dense uninhabited forest in the middle of nowhere. Only families who worship that particular snake god know the route exactly, unless you stumble upon it while roaming the forest. Yes there are different snake gods for different groups of families. I still can't go on my own and my parents also don't know the path clearly. So my aunt guides me. Once you reach the spot, there is no temple as such, but there are stone carved snake deities placed on a raised platform. There are no lit candles or decorations, giving the place a desolated look. They say the snake god loves peace and quiet, so his natural habitat ie. the part of the forest surrounding the platform is unaltered.

Twice a year or so, members of these families gather here for a small festivity. This is a rare occasion when this place receives human presence in large numbers. Some women with long hair sit in a circle and swing their hair to a music played using chenda and pungi. They look crazy to non believers. During this, believers ask them questions or seek their blessings as it is believed that snakes possess them during the ceremony. So my parents handed baby Zaygo to these women during one such ceremony. They passed me among themselves, whispered words into my ears and at the end, one of them halted the ceremony, raised me in the air and gave me my name which contained the prefix naga (meaning snake). Eg. Nagazaygo.

Later while registering my official name my mom removed the prefix as she felt a shorter name will do me good. Of course she was a believer, but not at the sake of her baby having an uncool name lol. But yes all in all, my name was given to me by snake women. As you might have guessed from my belief regarding afterlife, I am not a religious person. But I still like visiting that forest when I get a chance. When I walk in that forest, I feel as if I have a bond to that place and its just so calm and quiet, just what you need in a busy life.

LoliAnchorman said:
Man that must be awkward living in Ireland where St. Patrick killed all the snakes.

Zaygo said:


Damn, I didn't know that! I need to read more about him but ya google does confirm the legend that he banished all the snakes into the sea. But scientists seem to agree that there were no snakes to begin with in Ireland, as no fossils have ever been found.

E for Ero said:
Death is nothing to us. When we exist, death is not; and when death exists, we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the belief that in death, there is awareness.

Meusnier said:

I don't think that Christians typically boast about their dick length on anime forums, but I might be wrong. Normally, they only try to show that the Earth is flat or devote themselves to similar superior causes, using a noble crusader loli avatar.