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Oct 23, 2020 8:59 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Looks like another episode that builds on the relationship of the cast.

Interestlngly, we got to hear more from Ray, Lyd, and other non-human characters. Not much action this episode but it's kinda neat to hear how the monsters live their lives. They don't even seem too different from humans in terms of personalities.

 
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Bye Wienne..

it was a pretty sad farewell but I prefer that last scene
 
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Well it was a mater of time before those guys would show up before those monsters.
And it will probably be bad.

The question is what will all this mean for the future and how will it effect Bell and his party.
 
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I wonder who, or rather what, the recent arrival currently strongest Xenos is. I also wonder when they'll show up.

I'm glad the bad guys this season are actual bad guys, rather than Apollo who was just cartoonish, and Ishtar who I don't even remember actually being bad.
 
 
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Oct 23, 2020 10:23 AM
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That first scene though sure was impressive in misdirection. Still the reaction of Bell and his friends to this abnormal situation sure was funny. Though figures that there are members of the xeno's that disagree with Lyd. Even from the gods view coexistence between monsters and adventurers sure sounds like a dream. Though its kinda sad that even within the labyrinth that the Xeno's are treated as enemies by other monsters as well. Though the risk of blowback to Hestia's familia is indeed pretty high. But of all gods to be aware of this development Ganesha was the last one i expected. Fels though sure had quite the surprise for us. The talk between Bell and Lyd and Ray though sure was interesting in presenting their own fears and desires to us. Its parallel with Ourano's explanation to Hestia did well to expand upon both the xenos and the dungeon. That ambush at the end sure sure ended the ep on quite the cliff-hanger. Overall an excellent ep that combined excellent world building and expansion with revelations. Hearing the view of the world from the xeno's sure was enlightening. Can't wait to see what happens next.
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Good to hear more explanation from Ouranos. So the mysterious person by the name of Fels was actually a human sage.
It would be very hard to convince ordinary humans, who fear monsters, to let them to the surface, so it would be interesting to see how all this will develop.

 
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so monsters are also reincarnated and evolve that way huh



Wiene is in trouble again damn
 
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I like Lyd, hope he gets to see sunset someday. So the monsters keep reviving and now they are evolving after countless revives huh, it's kinda sad but great too.
 
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I wonder who, or rather what, the recent arrival currently strongest Xenos is. I also wonder when they'll show up.

I'm glad the bad guys this season are actual bad guys, rather than Apollo who was just cartoonish, and Ishtar who I don't even remember actually being bad.


Apollo is an asshole and a pervert and he also planned on killing Hestia once he got Bell and I'll consider the leader of his familiar a bad guy too. I agree with you on Ishtar though, she's just ambitious and has no intention to harm Bell aside from taking his virginity before Freya does.
 
 
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I think the ending shows us who are actually monsters and who are not. Enough said else I'll end up diving into politics and as much as the ending left me on a sour note and worry over some of our characters I still have hope. Something I feel I share with the xenos!

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Well, it was obvious that humans wouldn’t want to live with monsters but it still hurts. They haven’t anything wrong, they just wanted to get to the surface.

Humans are the worst creatures. We tend to discriminate anyone who is not like us, who doesn’t think like us.
 
 
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I don't understand this plot.
So they killing each other for 100+ years but never thought of at least try to communicate with each other??
Even if it's insulting each other? Is it some kind of rule created by the gods?
"We can't show any sign of intelligence because S2 is still not aired?"
This anime makes so little sense and the plot is so stupid.
Why this anime can't have at least something above mediocre? The only good scene was the S01 minotaur fight. I even watched the whole season hoping that series will bring something with to experience, but here I'm... S02 and yet to see anything worth watching. Ugh. This anime is so bad.

P.S Oh. This is S03. The second season was so forgetful that I forget it entirely lol.
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So we learn one of the secrets of the dungeon and that monsters are reborn in the dungeon. Some of them are reincarnated as Xenos. The Xenos have a dream of being on the surface one day, but that will take some time to convince the people on the surface that Xenos are not a threat. It was only a matter of time before the monster smugglers track Wiene down.
 
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villko05 said:
I don't understand this plot.
So they killing each other for 100+ years but never thought of at least try to communicate with each other??
Even if it's insulting each other? Is it some kind of rule created by the gods?
"We can't show any sign of intelligence because S2 is still not aired?"
This anime makes so little sense and the plot is so stupid.
Why this anime can't have at least something above mediocre? The only good scene was the S01 minotaur fight. I even watched the whole season hoping that series will bring something with to experience, but here I'm... S02 and yet to see anything worth watching. Ugh. This anime is so bad.

P.S Oh. This is S03. The second season was so forgetful that I forget it entirely lol.

Most monsters have no intelect so communication is useless in most cases. Only Xenos, who are very rare, can do that. And even then, disctimination still exist. If the Nazis couldnt accept normal human beings like the jews what makes you believe humans will easily accept monsters? Monsters that may have killed their loved ones in the past. Its a delicate subject and its treated ike that in the show.
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Ouranos seems like a decent guy at least for now and lol freaking Ganesha.
Looking forward to Ikelos familia getting poached soon.
 
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villko05 said:
I don't understand this plot.
So they killing each other for 100+ years but never thought of at least try to communicate with each other??
Even if it's insulting each other? Is it some kind of rule created by the gods?
"We can't show any sign of intelligence because S2 is still not aired?"
This anime makes so little sense and the plot is so stupid.
Why this anime can't have at least something above mediocre? The only good scene was the S01 minotaur fight. I even watched the whole season hoping that series will bring something with to experience, but here I'm... S02 and yet to see anything worth watching. Ugh. This anime is so bad.

P.S Oh. This is S03. The second season was so forgetful that I forget it entirely lol.

Most monsters have no intelect so communication is useless in most cases. Only Xenos, who are very rare, can do that. And even then, disctimination still exist. If the Nazis couldnt accept normal human beings like the jews what makes you believe humans will easily accept monsters? Monsters that may have killed their loved ones in the past. Its a delicate subject amd its treaed like tjat in the show.


Sorry, I still fail to see any logic in this. It's too unbelievable that people in this universe are so stupid, like those three monkeys who "no hear, no see, no talk".
One would think that rumors about talking monsters would spread and people would start questioning this. I hate this types of badly written plots where you need to completely shut down your brains to enjoy the story.
 
 
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villko05 said:
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Most monsters have no intelect so communication is useless in most cases. Only Xenos, who are very rare, can do that. And even then, disctimination still exist. If the Nazis couldnt accept normal human beings like the jews what makes you believe humans will easily accept monsters? Monsters that may have killed their loved ones in the past. Its a delicate subject amd its treaed like tjat in the show.


Sorry, I still fail to see any logic in this. It's too unbelievable that people in this universe is so stupid, like those three monkeys who "no hear, no see, no talk".

I honestly wonder how you cant see it, considering human history regarding to discrimination and racism. And thats between humans who dont eat your family lol.
 
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Sorry, I still fail to see any logic in this. It's too unbelievable that people in this universe is so stupid, like those three monkeys who "no hear, no see, no talk".

I honestly wonder how you cant see it, considering human history regarding to discrimination and racism. And thats between humans who dont eat your family lol.


They refuse to have any kind of interactions with humans for NO REASON other than to create this bad plot reveal. Normally, if your dog would start talking, you would be intrigued, but in this universe, you would keep throwing him bone without giving too much thought to that.
WHAT?
 
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I wonder who, or rather what, the recent arrival currently strongest Xenos is. I also wonder when they'll show up.

I'm glad the bad guys this season are actual bad guys, rather than Apollo who was just cartoonish, and Ishtar who I don't even remember actually being bad.


If I know my anime tropes, it'll be a monster Bell has killed before. Or maybe that minotaur he ran away from in the first episode? [EDIT: Actually thinking back Bell has had a lot of encounters with minotaurs. It was like a major part of his character development in the first season. It probably is a minotaur then. If I'm right someone owes me a Coke.]

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Siegfried10 said:
villko05 said:
I don't understand this plot.
So they killing each other for 100+ years but never thought of at least try to communicate with each other??
Even if it's insulting each other? Is it some kind of rule created by the gods?
"We can't show any sign of intelligence because S2 is still not aired?"
This anime makes so little sense and the plot is so stupid.
Why this anime can't have at least something above mediocre? The only good scene was the S01 minotaur fight. I even watched the whole season hoping that series will bring something with to experience, but here I'm... S02 and yet to see anything worth watching. Ugh. This anime is so bad.

P.S Oh. This is S03. The second season was so forgetful that I forget it entirely lol.

Most monsters have no intelect so communication is useless in most cases. Only Xenos, who are very rare, can do that. And even then, disctimination still exist. If the Nazis couldnt accept normal human beings like the jews what makes you believe humans will easily accept monsters? Monsters that may have killed their loved ones in the past. Its a delicate subject and its treated ike that in the show.


Yeah asking where the logic is in this seems odd considering there are real world examples of countries and ethnic groups despising each other for decades (even centuries). For currently ongoing examples:

Middle East Conflict: A dispute that's been going on for thousands of years, can be traced back the Ancient Egyptian enslavement of Jews.

Amenian-Azerbaijani conflict: It also includes Turkey. These two sides have been knocking the shit out of each other (save the occasional pause e.g. when both were under Soviet rule) for an insanely long time and now it's escalated once again.

Also Turkish treatment of Kurds.
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I wonder who, or rather what, the recent arrival currently strongest Xenos is. I also wonder when they'll show up.

I'm glad the bad guys this season are actual bad guys, rather than Apollo who was just cartoonish, and Ishtar who I don't even remember actually being bad.


If I know my anime tropes, it'll be a monster Bell has killed before. Or maybe that minotaur he ran away from in the first episode? [EDIT: Actually thinking back Bell has had a lot of encounters with minotaurs. It was like a major part of his character development in the first season. It probably is a minotaur then. If I'm right someone owes me a Coke.]

Dix is a dick.


Would be fun if for next season Bell would become a girl. That would attract some new audience, then for next season they could revert the change and made up some other nonsense.
 
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I honestly wonder how you cant see it, considering human history regarding to discrimination and racism. And thats between humans who dont eat your family lol.


They refuse to have any kind of interactions with humans for NO REASON other than to create this bad plot reveal. Normally, if your dog would start talking, you would be intrigued, but in this universe, you would keep throwing him bone without giving too much thought to that.
WHAT?

Yeah, because your dog doesnt eat humans. Adventurers, or humans in general, have a deep hatred for monsters because most of them have people they know who where slaughtered by them. Before the Gods came down the mortal world was a feast for monsters even.

Xenos dont try to comunicate with humans because they always try to kill them. If a monster starts talking most people would freak out and attack. Wiene was lucky she was so human-like in appearances and that she meet Bell who is a really good guy.
 
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Damn, JC are actually doing well so far! This was a 1:1 adaptation

Now, just please keep this up with the upcoming 2 volumes, which are the meat of the story
 
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They refuse to have any kind of interactions with humans for NO REASON other than to create this bad plot reveal. Normally, if your dog would start talking, you would be intrigued, but in this universe, you would keep throwing him bone without giving too much thought to that.
WHAT?

Yeah, because your dog doesnt eat humans. Adventurers, or humans in general, have a deep hatred for monsters because most of them have people they know who where slaughtered by them. Before the Gods came down the mortal world was a feast for monsters even.

Xenos dont try to comunicate with humans because they always try to kill them. If a monster starts talking most people would freak out and attack. Wiene was lucky she was so human-like in appearances and that she meet Bell who is a really good guy.


Yes. Unlike all other people in this universe who are supposed to be total nazi idiots, only Bell is a nice guy with an ability to think for himself. He's S.P.E.C.I.A.L. That makes sense indeed.
 
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For the most part, this episode was pretty chill and upbeat, with Bell's group getting along with the Xenos. Lyd's dream of wanting to get to the surface to see the sky was really nice, though. I do hope he'll be able to get the chance to see what the sky looks like with his own eyes one day. =)

That said, I can understand Hestia's concerns about what Ouranos told her. The dungeon itself also have a death and rebirth cycle for the monsters, which might go to explain why some of the Xenos can learn to speak so quickly. Plus, it was interesting to see the true identity of Fels who is a human sage.

Seeing Wiene cry when she had to say goodbye to Bell and the others was really sad, though. To add to the misery, the smugglers made a trap to lure in some of the Xenos and, sadly, it worked. If they harm Wiene in any way, there'll be hell to pay...
 
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Well now Wiene and Bell have been separated.....sadness.

All monsters have a dream. They do not want to stay in the dungeons forever but you know since there monsters they cannot achieve there dreams even if they are great people at heart.

The story is starting to build up where the Hestia family and the Xenos get to know each other better and will probably support each other in future episodes.

The end of the episode showed Ikelos familia attack the Xenos so I'm very excited to see what goes down next episode

Good episode :)
 
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Yeah, because your dog doesnt eat humans. Adventurers, or humans in general, have a deep hatred for monsters because most of them have people they know who where slaughtered by them. Before the Gods came down the mortal world was a feast for monsters even.

Xenos dont try to comunicate with humans because they always try to kill them. If a monster starts talking most people would freak out and attack. Wiene was lucky she was so human-like in appearances and that she meet Bell who is a really good guy.


Yes. Unlike all other people in this universe who are supposed to be total nazi idiots, only Bell is a nice guy with an ability to think for himself. He's S.P.E.C.I.A.L. That makes sense indeed.

Its luck of the straw, you could end up with a good guy like Bell/Fels or an agressive adventurer. Also, not all Xenos are waifus (lets admit that this helped Wiene lol) but ugly monsters, and some dont even talk so they have it even worse.
 
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Poor Wiene. Being separated from Bell is already hard on her now there's an ambush from these scummy adventurers. The Xenos deserve a happy ending. I hope they get it. This episode was a pretty good adaptation, JC finally doing something right.
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So what happens to the souls of adventurers who die in the Dungeon? Go back to the Dungeon instead of Heaven? Not going to say the answer is completely clear right now but the implications were strong in this episode.

What's surprising is the fact that the gods don't know about this.
 
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as usual, greedy human found monster nest...

time for bell and the others to save the monsters

 
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I think that was the deepest ep of Dungeon ni Deai
the approach was not pleasant in itself, but dealing with concepts like reincarnation and discrimination against minorities is valid
unfortunately that the pace of this season is similar to last season, I wish there was more action and less static frames

acho que esse foi o ep mais profundo de Dungeon ni Deai
a abordagem não foi agradável em si, mas tratar de conceitos como reencarnação e preconceito com minorias é válido
infelizmente, acho que o ritmo desta temporada é semelhante ao da temporada passada, gostaria que tivesse mais ação e menos telas estáticas
 
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I loved this building on the trust between Bell's party (humans) and the Xenos (Monsters). It makes a lot of sense that some of these Xenos put doubts towards humans, just like Lili still had towards Wiene. I guess that's only natural for 2 sides who have been the hunter and the hunted for so many decades.

That cliffhanger, the hunters have captured the bird girl :( Just about when Bell has left the dungeon.
 
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Finally got to understand the Xenos more, seems like some of them have a dislike of Humans (expected though).

Fels gave up their humanity for that sick ass Halloween costume too...
 
 
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Pretty good ep overall.

Bell and co get to interact more with the Xenos and learn a bit more from them which was nice. The whole thing was pretty chill for the most part even when learning that Fels was a former human who is now just a skeleton and how the Xenos have dreams of the surface even though they have never been outside of the dungeon.

All of this leading to the revelation that monsters have souls and thus a rebirth cycle like humans do was pretty great imo. Hestia's reaction to that Ganesha being in on the Xenos' existence for quite awhile was also pretty funny.

It was sad seeing Wiene getting separated from Bell and the others and it's made even worse when Dix and his group lured her along with the other Xenos into their trap. As it stands, everything is now ramping up.

I'm looking forward to the next ep.

 
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Hopefully Wiene will get out of this mess somehow (maybe everyone gets killed and that newcomer Xenos ends up saving her?). RIP to the cool knight looking black one tho.

Skeleton reveal was interesting as well. (good timing for spooktober)

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If I know my anime tropes, it'll be a monster Bell has killed before. Or maybe that minotaur he ran away from in the first episode? [EDIT: Actually thinking back Bell has had a lot of encounters with minotaurs. It was like a major part of his character development in the first season. It probably is a minotaur then. If I'm right someone owes me a Coke.]

Dix is a dick.


Would be fun if for next season Bell would become a girl. That would attract some new audience, then for next season they could revert the change and made up some other nonsense.


We have Sword Oratoria for that where Ais is the MC lol. (wonder if that will ever get a second season, manga is super far ahead now)
 
 
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I hope Wenie dies, but let's be honest. This is not an anime which would take a drastic turn.
She probably unlock some hidden power or someone will save her (probably that elf guy/god?).
 
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I hope Wenie dies, but let's be honest. This is not an anime which would take a drastic turn.
She probably unlock some hidden power or someone will save her (probably that elf guy/god?).


What kind of sick . . . You ok bro?

I literally can't think of any reason why you would want to kill off Wenie other than your own satisfaction. I don't mean to trample on you thoughts, but why do you want Wenie dead? Because it'll cause Bell to go on some rampage, it'll make the plot more interesting? I really don't get it . . .
 
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It's getting too dark for me to enjoy. I'll probably gonna watch till the end, but this is not my cup of tea

The first season was better
 
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I hope Wenie dies, but let's be honest. This is not an anime which would take a drastic turn.
She probably unlock some hidden power or someone will save her (probably that elf guy/god?).


What kind of sick . . . You ok bro?

I literally can't think of any reason why you would want to kill off Wenie other than your own satisfaction. I don't mean to trample on you thoughts, but why do you want Wenie dead? Because it'll cause Bell to go on some rampage, it'll make the plot more interesting? I really don't get it . . .


Token loli cute-moe characters annoy me.
 
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Pretty good episode for build-up overall.

I can't get over the fact that Ais pointed her sword at Bell. I'm really intrigued on how they implement it.

It bothers me a little that the monsters mouthes don't move accordingly to the dialogue.

So monster's were once human's? Or did they just end up evolving over the countless rebirths?

Don't make Weine cry bro :(

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What kind of sick . . . You ok bro?

I literally can't think of any reason why you would want to kill off Wenie other than your own satisfaction. I don't mean to trample on you thoughts, but why do you want Wenie dead? Because it'll cause Bell to go on some rampage, it'll make the plot more interesting? I really don't get it . . .


Token loli cute-moe characters annoy me.


I mean it’s ok not to like them, but to wish death upon them . . . Maybe a little too much bro?
 
 
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What a great episode! So now we know about what happens to monsters after they die, they respawn.

It will be hard to accomplish Xenos's dream, but i do hope.

That ending...damn, what an easy bait.
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Yeah, because your dog doesnt eat humans. Adventurers, or humans in general, have a deep hatred for monsters because most of them have people they know who where slaughtered by them. Before the Gods came down the mortal world was a feast for monsters even.

Xenos dont try to comunicate with humans because they always try to kill them. If a monster starts talking most people would freak out and attack. Wiene was lucky she was so human-like in appearances and that she meet Bell who is a really good guy.


Yes. Unlike all other people in this universe who are supposed to be total nazi idiots, only Bell is a nice guy with an ability to think for himself. He's S.P.E.C.I.A.L. That makes sense indeed.


Then you can stop watching already. You know nothing is the world can satisfy everyone because everyone is different.
 
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It's getting too dark for me to enjoy. I'll probably gonna watch till the end, but this is not my cup of tea

The first season was better


Next season would be even more intense and dark, in case you think it would get normal.
 
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wellthe dynamics are really good...hmmm

this is getting exciting
 
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that trap was pretty predictable. My favorite Xenos died, so that's pretty oof... Ikelos group really are scumbags, huh, hopefully they will get justice upon them soon
 
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I don't know, man. The anime is fine but it just seems so predictable for me. It's super obvious who the bad guys are and their motive looks like it was thought by a 10-year-old: for money. I can already see where this show is going. Should I add a spoiler tag to what I'm about to say? Nah, I'm sure your brain is smart enough to know that the bad guys will be defeated (by Bell, probably), and boom! Happy ending achieved!

Not my cup of tea.
 
 
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Wiene ended up in more danger with the friendly monsters than with the Hestia Familia
 
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I don't know, man. The anime is fine but it just seems so predictable for me. It's super obvious who the bad guys are and their motive looks like it was thought by a 10-year-old: for money. I can already see where this show is going. Should I add a spoiler tag to what I'm about to say? Nah, I'm sure your brain is smart enough to know that the bad guys will be defeated (by Bell, probably), and boom! Happy ending achieved!

Not my cup of tea.


By this logic most animes would fail. We know Luffy would sure get the final treasure, if it exists; Naruto would be the hokage (which has been proven); Eren Jeager would definitely find out the truth about the Titans. We don't watch most of the animes because we don't know the ending - we watch because we want to find out how it ended up like that.
 
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That was a pretty good episode, we got to know more about the Xenos. And how they also go through thy cycle of death and rebirth which causes them to somehow evolve. That is great.

Being a skeleton is probably the last thing I expected Fels to be, I thought Fels is a Xenos too instead Fels gave me the s h o o k.

Bell and Wiene being separated is sad as fuck but, it is meant to be. It is not time yet for humans and monsters to coexist outside. It'll take a long time for that to happen.

Man, Dix is a dick ya really gonna do Ray like that. Wiene will probably be captured, can't wait for Bell to save her and fuck Dix up.
 
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