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Jun 26, 2017 10:58 AM
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Check out this graph of top 500 anime of all time:
https://i.imgur.com/s8sjcE9.png
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Jun 26, 2017 11:01 AM
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i've been living in the golden age of anime my whole life. so yes
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Jun 26, 2017 11:43 AM
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Jun 26, 2017 11:50 AM
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Now make one for a top 50 anime each year as a percentage of total animes produced that year.
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Jun 26, 2017 11:52 AM
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Now make one for a top 50 anime each year as a percentage of total animes produced that year.


it's hard to make a top 50 per year starting 10-15 years ago, i think. there weren't as many anime produced, especially not in the 60s-90s
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Jun 26, 2017 11:54 AM
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Is this based on popularity or score? Older anime gets a lot less attention now especially on MAL, so of course the stats from the 90s would be lower.
Jun 26, 2017 11:56 AM
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Meh, not for me. I'm still enjoying a lot of things nowadays (and I can't stand people who are shouting everywhere about 'the end of anime') , but my Golden Age will be probably always ~2002~2008.
Maybe my top 10 is not representing this statement 100% accurate, but still, the most pleasurable series for me comes form those years. Every time when I'm watching something from that part of time, I can definitely tell that I'm fully 'feeling' it. Same goes to art style and character design.

The only reason why newer series are most popular is... Because they are more recent and more accessible. I mean, most of people here are watching using shitty online streams.
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Jun 26, 2017 11:56 AM
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I think that the reason that there is more newer stuff rated higher is simply because more people see it. A lot of people who haven't seen a lot of anime will rate shows higher than someone who has seen more (from what I've observed) and since they will be most likely watching newer shows, more new shows will be voted higher than old shows. Also, there is just more anime being released.
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Jun 26, 2017 12:12 PM
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Sadly, no. This is just one of many examples of recency bias.
Jun 26, 2017 12:13 PM

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No, the golden age of Anime was back in the 80s/early 90s. Shortly after Japan's economic bubble burst, the golden age ended.

Jun 26, 2017 12:13 PM

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Sure if you want to think of it that way, but the graph results aren't very surprising:

More anime is released than before
More people have access to watching newer anime than the ones in the past
Sequels/OVAs/specials/movies associated with a high rating franchise have higher scores (see MAL top 100 in ranks that's infested with sequels)


Jun 26, 2017 12:20 PM

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-There's a lot more anime produced now, so more anime will be rated higher.
-A large amount of the shows will be sequels, and these are almost guaranteed to be highly rated.
-Recency bias
Jun 26, 2017 12:24 PM

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I'm still waiting for the golden age of waifus
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Jun 26, 2017 12:25 PM
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yes it is, at least after new art was introduced which is refer to early 2011.
Jun 26, 2017 12:28 PM

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I feel like a majority of the anime discussion threads can be responded with a Digibro video.
Jun 26, 2017 12:32 PM
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Quantity =/= quality
The only objective plus about modern anime vs older anime is that digital animation was invented. Some digitally animated anime are technical wonders and some are crap, but now we have the option at least.
Jun 26, 2017 12:39 PM

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Genkai said:
I feel like a majority of the anime discussion threads can be responded with a Digibro video.


I agree, Digibro's videos have the quality of an average MAL reply.
I probably regret this post by now.
Jun 26, 2017 12:40 PM
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I mean we've gotten greats such as Psycho Pass, Re:Zero, Steins Gate, AoT, SAO, Your Name and OPM so I'd say yeah.
Jun 26, 2017 12:43 PM

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Anime is certainly not dying that's for sure. It's just myth.
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.
Jun 26, 2017 1:13 PM
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It's a mix of more anime being made and recency bias.
Jun 26, 2017 1:48 PM

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Not something to be surprised, the same shit happens for example in the Movies or TV Top 250 by IMDB where you can see that the amount of titles of every decade present in the ranking is decreasing the older the decade is:

2010's: 36
2000's: 53
1990's: 42
1980's: 29
1970's: 21
1960's: 19
1950's: 25
1940's: 12
1930's: 7
1920's: 6

So as you can see, only the last 17.5 years concentrate 35.6% of the top 250 movies of all times. And it gets even worse with TV shows:

2010's: 93
2000's: 79
1990's: 38
1980's: 22
1970's: 10
1960's: 5
1950's: 3

Where the same last 17.5 years, of 70+ since the birth of TV (25%), concentrate a whopping 68.8% of the top 250 TV shows according to the users of that site.

It's nothing to be surprised though. More movies and more shows are produced nowadays than before, and the younger audiences (who are the majority of people who watch them) are more prone to give high ratings (8-10) than older audiences who -besides being the majority of public who has watched old movies/shows- on average have a more developed critic sense and consequently they do not give the same high rating to the movies or shows they see so easily.
Jun 26, 2017 1:54 PM

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I think a chart showing the percentage of anime produced that year that are in the top 500 would be a good way to complete the comparison since there are far more anime released now than there used to be. I wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty uniform throughout the 90s, 00s, and 10s. In the 80s you would be lucky to see 10 TV anime come out in a season and now 50 is the average amount.
Jun 26, 2017 2:03 PM

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Golden age does not mean the highest rated age of anime by percentage or otherwise. It means the pioneering age where the genres and techniques were born, including of course the masters who crafted them. And no, we don't live it. You might however live your "personal golden age".
Jun 26, 2017 2:04 PM

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yes since we have the capabilities to watch almost every anime in existence
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Jun 26, 2017 2:08 PM
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The chart sure is biased but still more reasonable the the average person with a mean of 4.00 being edgy and screaming how anime went to shit, while a simple look at their list can prove that they are really selective when it comes to old shows, and often when it comes to new ones they pick as much shit they know they won't like as they can. I am not the one to scream "do not like, don't watch it" but ffs when people pick so much shit they KNOW, they won't like this begs the qeustion why?

Baseless ranting aside tho, the graph sure is biased, most people on MAL are younger fans so they tend to watch new shows as they are more easily accesible and more often recommended. And this creates a loop of people "circlejerking" (for the lack of a better word) the same shows.

And let us not forget that there is almost just as much prejudice towards old shows by new fans as much, as there is old fans saying anime went to shit.

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Genkai said:
I feel like a majority of the anime discussion threads can be responded with a Digibro video.


I agree, Digibro's videos have the quality of an average MAL reply.
Savage and unfortunately true as well

Technoforever84 said:
Uh, definitely not, the golden age of anime has long died. In fact I think we're living in the dark age of anime just like how after Rome has fell. By Dark Age, I mean that anime becomes more separated and split. Which means anime has gone into many directions after the early 90s. This means we see more variety and changes in anime. This is why is 80s anime fans tends to look down on modern anime since its so different from what we're used to.

I see the anime phenomenon like how the Latin language was. Latin was once pretty popular but after Rome fell it splits into many different languages. Latin is 80's anime, while today's anime is a descendent of it kinda like how French and Spanish is to Latin.

Personally, I'll stick to 80's.
I am not really sure how is anime being more varied a bad thing.... Is it that stuff you like becomes harder to find among many shows that just do not interest you?

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Yeah, because MAL's community knows so much about animation, ROFL!

2015 in a nutschell: Shokugeki no Souma, Death Parade, Charlotte, Danmachi, Overlord and One Punch Man. Masterpieces, obviously (huge kappa).
Be careful with that edge mate, you may cut yourself by accident.
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@Technoforever84 I think I understand somewhat, tho I obviously do not agree with the good > bad thing but I may just have less experience with old anime, tho similarly you seem to have the same with new anime.

I still kinda feel bad for retro fans, since the thing that makes something old is that it was already made, if that makes sense. As if old stuff is not made anymore, that is why it is old to begin with. And I doubt anime or any medium for that matter, can ever come back to its older styles. Homages and things like that are the only thing that even remotely is close to old stuff. Things are just always pressing onwards, let us hope I won't find myself in a similar position in 10 years or so.
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I think we're now living in the golden waifu age of anime.


I approve of this post and it's actual factness

even though I know "factness" is not a word



Still...

Jun 26, 2017 3:22 PM

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I think we live in the Silver Age of Anime tbh.
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@Technoforever84 I think you must be misinterpretting one thing tbh, I don't hate old anime. I just lack experience with it since I have only been watching anime for over a year so I am not too experienced in old stuff.

I mean, my first anime was Dragon Ball, and that one started airing in 1980s or was it dragon ball z, huh one of the two, been a while so not too sure now.

@ExperimentAddict you quoted the wrong guy lul, I dunno, edgy was the first thing that came to my mind.
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IMO, golden age was 1990s to late 2000s.
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Jun 26, 2017 4:16 PM

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Considering most of my favourites have aired within the last 10 years, and some (like MHA and One Piece) are currently airing...I'd say yes, this is my golden age of anime.
There's always a handful of series I'm looking forward to watching every season too, which is awesome.

I think it seems like there are more "bad" anime now because the amount of series that air per season has increased drastically. So yes, there are technically more low quality anime, but there are also more good anime too because production numbers have gone up.

if you judge anime by the decade rather than by the season, there are tons of good anime that have come out in the last 10 years.

A lot of fans seem to think that about 90% of the anime that aired after the early 2000's are god awful...as if bad anime wasn't a thing of the old. Like, c'mon...have you seen some of the weird crap that aired 20ish years ago? Mad Bull 34, Ranma 1/2, the one where that flower pops out of a guy's crotch, an anime with time travel, giant lizard creatures & Zulu dancers (?), Ebichu, Ippatsu Kiki Musume (?), Akira & Hanappe Bazooka being just a few!
Sure, anime still gets weird, but stuff back then was something else entirely! There was no escaping it. I guess it was just a different time back then...anime was a lot more obscure.


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Jun 26, 2017 6:10 PM
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there is no golden age, there never will be, and you're not obligated to gaf whats in the top 500
Jun 26, 2017 7:13 PM

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We live in a golden age of access to anime. 15 years ago it would have been a bitch to try and watch anime that weren't brought stateside.
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Jun 26, 2017 10:05 PM

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Here are the top ranked anime in Japan equivalence of MAL.

https://www.anikore.jp/pop_ranking/

Top 100 anime of all time in Japan.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/05/04/best-anime-100-results-revealed-for-nhks-nippon-anime-100

Seems like Japan also think golden age of anime is in the 21st Century.
I haven't watch that many pre 2000 anime but so far, they either dropped or receive low/average ratings from me.

Most voters in MAL vote 2007-2011 is the Golden Age era of anime.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1614048

7 out of 10 of my favorite anime are from year 2000 - 2010.
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But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.
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Nah, we live in the the golden age of shit taste though.

Tbh it depends on the person, I really have a hard time comparing modern anime to the beauty of cel-shaded animation, so I'd say ate 80 and 90's were the golden age.

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Jun 26, 2017 11:12 PM

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Yeah maybe in terms of the number of anime released that can be said.But that doesn't necessary equate to the quality that we should get.
Jun 26, 2017 11:26 PM

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Top 500 is very very inclusive, and considering the number of anime being aired recently, obviously much of it would fall within the top 500, therefore skewing the chart.

That said, it's not that I particularly agree with the notion of a "golden age". It's really just that the proportion of anime that air of a decent quality has reduced, but the number of good anime every year has always stayed about constant. People just forgot that shit anime existed back then and constantly remember the shit anime now, which makes them feel the sense that anime is just so much worse.
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Jun 27, 2017 8:41 AM

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Why this thread is so stupid?

Golden Age is a manga that isn't adapted into anime yet.

https://myanimelist.net/manga/47188/Golden_Age?q=golden%20age

So, of course there isn't any Golden Age in Anime.
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Golden age does not mean the highest rated age of anime by percentage or otherwise. It means the pioneering age where the genres and techniques were born, including of course the masters who crafted them. And no, we don't live it. You might however live your "personal golden age".

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You beat me to the punch on this one.

It's like the Golden Age of Comic Books, which pretty much parallels the Second World War. Was it the best age of comic books? No, but it saw the birth of the most prolific type of comic book (superhero) and also many of the comic titles that persist until today (like Superman, [i]Captain America]/i], and Batman).

I'd say that the Golden Age of Anime was probably the 1960s and early 1970s with adaptations of Osamu Tezuka's works. This is when both manga and anime's distinct aesthetic started to diverge from previous styles, giving us the typical small-and-simple nose, large eyes, etc.

It's about influence and impact, not necessarily quality.

@Darek, @Pullman, and @Genkai:
I'd argue that Digibro's videos are actually superior to the average MAL response, more's the pity.

EDIT: Wikipedia says the Golden Age of Anime was the 80s and 90s because that's when 24-frames per second became the standard. The information, however, is not sourced and thus, not entirely trustworthy.
Link HERE.
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Well, before 2000 there weren't even that many anime being produced each year, so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that we see so many entries in the top 500 coming from after 2000.

What would be more interesting is if there was a graph that compared the percentage of top500 to non-top 500 shows in each year.
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Check out this graph of top 500 anime of all time:
https://i.imgur.com/s8sjcE9.png


There is another thing that seriously affects the graph.

Today, a popular series comes out in several installments and most probably all takes the position in first 500.

For example, Natsume Yuujinchou has 6 seasons all in first 500. Total episode count is around 75.

On the other hand, Yuu Yuu Hakusho, a classic of 1990s, currently ranked #124, has only one season (that completes the story) with 112 episodes in total.

Had there been similar number of installments the situation would have been quite different.
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-There's a lot more anime produced now, so more anime will be rated higher.

Actually, that's the definition of golden age, isn't it?
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-There's a lot more anime produced now, so more anime will be rated higher.

Actually, that's the definition of golden age, isn't it?


If you have any knowledge of percentages, no it's not. The quality of anime has been very consistent for the longest time, but there are simply more anime being produced. This means that by the law of percentages, a greater number of anime will be better and worse than before. There has not been a directional shift in the regular distribution of quality at all.
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I dunno,golden age of anime is very closely related with Japan.

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flannan said:

Actually, that's the definition of golden age, isn't it?


If you have any knowledge of percentages, no it's not. The quality of anime has been very consistent for the longest time, but there are simply more anime being produced. This means that by the law of percentages, a greater number of anime will be better and worse than before. There has not been a directional shift in the regular distribution of quality at all.

That's exactly what I meant. I do not care how much bad anime is made, as long as there is a lot of good anime being made and I can find it.

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Uh, definitely not, the golden age of anime has long died. In fact I think we're living in the dark age of anime just like how after Rome has fell. By Dark Age, I mean that anime becomes more separated and split. Which means anime has gone into many directions after the early 90s. This means we see more variety and changes in anime. This is why is 80s anime fans tends to look down on modern anime since its so different from what we're used to.

I see the anime phenomenon like how the Latin language was. Latin was once pretty popular but after Rome fell it splits into many different languages. Latin is 80's anime, while today's anime is a descendent of it kinda like how French and Spanish is to Latin.

Personally, I'll stick to 80's.

Another definition of a golden age that is somehow made to sound bad.
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I highly doubt it. The only reason the newer shows are rated that high is because of all the people still watching anime watch new shows rather than older staff and that's obviously gonna have some high ranked anime.



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Yeah, because MAL's community knows so much about animation, ROFL!

2015 in a nutschell: Shokugeki no Souma, Death Parade, Charlotte, Danmachi, Overlord and One Punch Man. Masterpieces, obviously (huge kappa).

well 2015 was a prettyawful year for anime in general i do not think anyone can deny that
but if we are counting years like 2016 with titles like mob psycho,shouwa genroku,3-gatsu no lion and jojo diu,it is a a year with as much good titles as much of the supposed golden age anime
i could say the same for 2014
so i can completely understand why one would think we are living a golden age of anime
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Well that graph shows anime is declining after 2015, so yeah: anime is dead, we passed the golden age, Miyazaki was right.
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Honestly I think we because more and more mangas are being turned into anime series and they are all enticing šŸ¤˜
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