| Bad but entertaining would be big order XD |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| Big Order, Taboo Tatoo and Glasslip were fucking hilarious. Entertainment value 10/10. Doesn't stop them from being the worst anime I've watched up until now. |
| We really need a way to rate anime like this... There's so many shows like that, where how entertaining they were is not parallel with how good it was. |
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| Good but boring = Your lie in April. I can relate why so many people are loving this anime, but I didn't enjoyed it at all. It bored me, the only reason why I finished it was because of that "tearjerking" ending. It was kinda predictable, but really well executed. Bad but entertaining = K-on! One of my favorite anime, I enjoyed every second of it (and I'm enjoying s2 aswell), even if it is objectively bad. You don't have any plot, 70% of the episodes are the same, drinking tea+eating cake, but it is always so funny... |
| Good but boring: Madoka Magica ; Dennou Coil Bad but entertaining: Sword Art Online |
| Good but boring: Sangatsu no lion. It's deeper than Adele but moves at a snail's pace. Bad but entertaining: Mirai Nikki. |
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| I don't know about good but boring examples, because the most of things I consider good are not boring for me, but well. Respect the other side of the coin, I can think on plenty of examples but Mayoiga and Taboo Tattoo this year are the first examples to come to my mind. They are horrible, but so stupidly entertaining is hard to get boring with them. The movies of HxH can also count, because they are really bad while compared to the main anime, but are enjoyable nonetheless. |
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| good but boring: idk Bad but entertaining: Re:zero |
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| Good but boring: Tatami Galaxy. I understand how great it is, but it's so heavy on the dialogue that it's hard to keep up. Bad but entertaining: Seikon no Qwaser. I know it's dumb ecchi that's so borderline hentai, but I still loved it so much. |
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| From a more objective and critical standpoint, I can see why anime such as -Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu -Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood -Death Parade -Darker than Black are so well-received, but I wasn't on the edge of my seat watching them, I never got all that engrossed and I wasn't desperate to find out what happened next- there was never a point where I was desperately clicking for the next episode like a madman. In fact, I didn't feel much of anything throughout bc despite having solid storylines, characters and animation something about them didn't resonate with me. None of them reeled me in in the same way series such as Hunter x Hunter (2011) somehow managed to do halfway through its first episode...tbh I can't put my finger on why exactly either! Then there are anime like Blood-C which are pretty awful, but that I still had an absolute blast watching. Just look at Part 1 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure...it was awful and cheesy and a man with magical flaming abs stands there and narrates literally everything that's happening...and that's coming from an avid fan of the series! The hero is a rip off of Kenshiro and the villain is just another evil guy who does innately horrid things to nice people because he was born that way. But it all just works. It's so bad, but the fact that it doesn't take itself too seriously makes it so fun! |
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| Good but boring: Cowboy Bebop (at some point), Katanagatari,Hyouka,Tatami(Heavy in dialogue but loved it nonetheless) Bad but entertaining : Most Shounen/Harem |
GamerUnglued said: They are related, but still two different kinds of experiences. Do you believe that feeling is the same as thinking? That intuition is equivalent to knowledge and logical argument? There may be the problem. I don't believe in the existence of "critical experience." Rather, I believe both experiences to be the same, because the fact that a show makes one feel these emotions related to a "direct experience" in the first place means that the show did something else right more related to a "critical experience". If I felt sad watching a show, it's because the characters were good enough for me to care and the writing was good enough to make me empathize. If I found a show to be funny, it's because I felt it had strong writing and comedic timing. Basically, the emotional is the critical, and its different for each person depending on personal tastes and experience, which is why this question seems so weird to me. Suppose that you've never read poetry before. You read a poem and don't feel anything. "Well, that was crap," you think. Would you be right? On the level of direct experience, yes, but on the level of critical experience, no. Your direct experience doesn't tell us anything useful about the poem's use of rhyme, rhythm, meter, etc. These are poetic qualities that objectively exist (people with knowledge of poetry can discuss them in concrete terms and agree on certain things about them), but you didn't register them because you're unaware of them. This example makes it clear that the emotional is not the critical. I think the main reason that the anime fandom is reluctant to recognize this distinction is because they are overly concerned with final value judgements and afraid of "elitists" being "right". However, the point of criticism isn't to find out what's "right" so that it can be used to invalidate direct experience. The point is to gain a better understanding of art by studying it in a logical, systematic way. The alternative is to say that "art is purely subjective and emotional, we can't know anything about it," which is unproductive and untrue, imo. |
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| good but boring... would probably be kara no kyoukai |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| good but boring? Cowboy Bebop from the top of my head bad but entertaining? ..... to love ru, date a live, highschool of the dead... and like any harem shows. lol. |
| I didnt know so many people found Cowboy Bebop boring. Monster is really well written but I stopped watching it at some point and didnt feel the need to finish so I guess it failed somewhere. Code Geass has like the highest ratio of being bad but entertaining but I think that was the goal of the show. |
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Josh said: GamerUnglued said: I find this question to be kind of paradoxical. If I find a show to be boring and unable to keep my attention, then isn't the show bad? TheBrainintheJar said: The apparent contradiction is based on the view that art is experienced on two different (though not entirely separate) levels. The level of direct experience and the level of critical experience.How the hell can something be both good and boring. How does it work. I am mystified. Direct experience refers to the immediate experience of art (e.g. watching anime, listening to music, looking at a painting). Direct experiences are intuitive, emotional, feelings-based, and largely incommunicable, because you can't properly explain what you're feeling. They take place mostly on a subconscious level. Direct experiences are therefore more personal and subjective. Critical experience refers to the secondary experience of art (e.g. discussing anime, reviewing an album, analyzing a painting). Critical experiences are logical, "scientific" (in the sense that shared tools of criticism and knowledge about art can be brought to bear in a systemic way), thought-based, and largely communicable, because you can explain what you're thinking. They take place mostly on a conscious level. Critical experiences are therefore less personal and relatively more objective. When people talk about "entertainment" or "enjoyment" value, they are usually talking about direct experience. When people talk about "quality" or "actually good", they are usually talking about critical experience. Things get messy when people use all of those terms loosely and aren't clear, which happens often. As an aside, taste development may be defined as the process through which a person internalizes their critical experiences, causing their direct experiences to become more "critical", ie. they begin to intuitively react to bad writing, or good use of metaphor, or whatever. kamisama751 said: Not quite true. Neither is purely subjective or objective, but "entertainment" value is relatively more subjective. Critics can use a common base of knowledge and frameworks for discussing art (which makes the discussion more objective), but they can't agree on exactly how to bring all of that to bear on any particular work.Entertaining is subjective. Good is objective. So, therefore, your logic makes no sense. I strongly disagree with this. I enjoy something because I analyze it, notice what makes it pleasurable (Character design, plot, characters, themes) and therefore enjoy it. The difference between critics and the average watcher is that critics put more effort into understanding why they enjoy things. So they end up having a larger vocabulary to explain their views. It doesn't make them 'better', just more interesting to talk about entertain since they think about it in deeper levels. It's like how you'd rather take advice from a seasoned whiskey drinker instead of a 16-year-old whose first taste of whiskey was at a house party. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Harder to be good but boring in anime, but it's definitely true for books. 1984, The Scarlet Letter, just to name a fewHow the hell can something be both good and boring. How does it work. I am mystified. |
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| If I found an anime boring I don't consider it good, and if I found one entertaining I consider it good. |
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vriskabell said: TheBrainintheJar said: Harder to be good but boring in anime, but it's definitely true for books. 1984, The Scarlet Letter, just to name a fewHow the hell can something be both good and boring. How does it work. I am mystified. I've read plenty of 'canonical' books, and all the good ones weren't boring even if we're talking about behemoths like American Tragedy. That book left me hollow. |
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| Good but boring: Shinsekai Yori for me. I had to force myself to watch through the dull parts in the beginning and middle. Thankfully the ending made it all worth it. Bad but entertaining: I had a blast watching Mayoiga for all the wrong reasons. I usually rate entertaining series more highly no matter what, but Mayoiga was such shit that I had to make an exception. |
| Re:Zero is bad but entertaining at some times. Good and boring Monster (sometimes) due its length, or Tenshi no Tamago which is a masterpiece. |
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| Bad but entertaining Sword art online i guess most of the peoples says it bad but i think it was pretty good.Also most of ecchi animes you know what i mean :) |
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| Good but boring: Utena. Same exact structure for 80% episodes, but some episodes are so good that I would consider them some of the best anime episodes of all time. Hyouka: It was boring, but when I look back at it I always grin. So many good characters and little stories. Bad but entertaining: Mirai Nikki: it made so many mistakes but the action was pretty sweet. Danganronpa 3: Mirai-hen: Death flags central, but boy did I have fun coming up with theories. The ending was also an asspull. |
| Good but dull: Angel's Egg is danm good, but it would be torture if I actually was to sit and watch it again. I found large swatches of Bokurano to be a bit tedious, though not unbearably dull. Revolutinary Girl Utena was excessively repetitive. Outside of the second arc and the last 7 episodes, it was just danm boring. It is extremely solid though. That's why I prefer the movie. Bad but enjoyable: Angel Beats was danm fun, but the more and more I analyze it the more and more it falls apart. No Game No Life is enjoyable because it is literally everything wrong with anime thrown together in the best way possible. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: What do you disagree with? It sounds like you're disagreeing with the idea that critics or critically informed opinions are "better" that non-critics or casual opinions, which is not at all what I had in mind. It's not a matter of being "better", it's a matter of being different. As I said in my response to Gamer, the point of criticism is not to invalidate direct experiences, it is to gain a better understanding of art by thinking about it in a systematic way. There is no need to be defensive on behalf of direct experiences — they are still perfectly valid and just as "good", if you want to put it that way.I strongly disagree with this. I enjoy something because I analyze it, notice what makes it pleasurable (Character design, plot, characters, themes) and therefore enjoy it. The difference between critics and the average watcher is that critics put more effort into understanding why they enjoy things. So they end up having a larger vocabulary to explain their views. It doesn't make them 'better', just more interesting to talk about entertain since they think about it in deeper levels. It's like how you'd rather take advice from a seasoned whiskey drinker instead of a 16-year-old whose first taste of whiskey was at a house party. The idea (which Gamer also suggested) that criticism can not change taste, but can only make you better at understanding/explaining your taste is clearly false. Your taste develops in a number of ways and one of them is exposure to criticism — gaining knowledge about a medium of art and how it works. If you get a degree in Film Studies, your taste in movies will change, probably significantly. InsaneLeader13 said: I feel the same way. I love thinking and reading about RGU, but watching it was mostly a bore, outside of last 7 episodes and a few others. I think it could have been done in 24 episodes, instead of 39.Revolutinary Girl Utena was excessively repetitive. Outside of the second arc and the last 7 episodes, it was just danm boring. It is extremely solid though. That's why I prefer the movie. |
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LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Good but boring Monster, and it was especially boring in those middle-later episodes. GITS: SAC to a lesser extent could also be considered but I could still find certain plotlines and characters interesting. Bad but entertaining Netoge no Yome probably. I'd also say Berserk 2016 would fit in that category as well |
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| Idk about you but I find Natsume pretty fuckin boring |
| Bakemonogatari is seen as a good show but it's honestly quite boring. SAO, Mirai Nikki, Guilty Crown, Zero no Tsukaima all examples of bad shows that are entertaining and, minus Gulty Crown, likeable. |
| Good but Boring: - Higashi no Eden - Real Drive - Le Chevalier D'Eon - Ergo Proxy - Gangsta - Joker Game Bad but Entertaining: - Weiß Kreuz - Yami no Matsuei - Ao no Exorcist - Devil May Cry - Gakuen Heaven - Kuroshitsuji - Bungou Stray Dogs (s2 is an improvement though) - Samurai Flamenco - Monochrome Factor - Togainu no Chi |
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| Mirai Nikki is objectively a 6 or 7 out of 10 but it's so batshit crazy that I couldn't help but be entertained. |
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| Bad but entertaining: Special A I had a blast laughing at how generic this show was lmao. K K had a really messy plot but im such a sucker for that animation and all those top-class seiyuus on that show damn.Sugita voicing a serious character is hnnnggghhh.Just finished rewatching it too As for good but boring....Can't really think of one but probably Oregairu.It got great themes but some episodes were just boring |
| Tanaka was pretty good but very boring. |
| bad but highly entertaining: fairy tail. bad animations, all the anime cliches, overly used bad jokes, unnecessary fan service. but i'm honestly hooked on the story and i felt too emotionally attached to the characters than i ever should. good but boring: darker than black. i couldn't bring myself to say that fairy tail is in any way superior to darker than black, but holy shite this anime drags on. |
| Good but boring I actually just watched an anime I felt this way about. KenIchi: The Mightiest Disciple. It was very good, but around episode 28 it just lost it's flair. I got bored with it. That might just be me since it's rating is good and I have a tendency to drop anime a lot, but anyone would have to have patience for that. The fighting in those episodes was just lame. Bad but entertaining I don't think anyone has said Ghost Stories.. It's so extremely bad, but I have never laughed so hard in my life. The English dub is the only thing that saved this travesty. I'd suggest that horrible excuse of an anime to anyone. It really is amazing. Now I feel like re-watching it... |
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| Good, but boring: It doesnt apply to the whole anime, but - Monster (repetitive and not as complex as you might think @ main story) - HxH (esp the beginning) - Tatami Galaxy - Hyoka - Moribito (urgs, the middle part) - Beasttamer Erin - Spice & Wolf (awesome athmosphere and couple, but boring merchant setting...) Bad, but entertaining: - SOA is The first thing that comes to my mind, which I really enjoyed, though the flaws were very appearent |
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