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hpulley said: Suzie said: Agreed, I read it a while ago and was re-reading it recently in anticipation and when they skip some scenes in a 2 hour show it is disappointing but that's how adaptations go... they can't put it all in the show.Well, it was good! Not my favorite arc, but it was pretty good. I'd read the novel just recently so the whole time I was like "Aww man, they skipped that really funny line!" or "They skipped this part!!" and it didn't help the viewing experience hahaha. Also, without Kanbaru's inner dialogue, I found lots of part to be more vague, and it was hard to really understand her feelings. ...I'm still giving it a solid 8... 8.5 Still good. As you say, not the strongest arc in the franchise but good to see and hear Kanbaru and Koyomi and of course especially Kaiki again. Digging the new hair and beard styles too LOL! Clean end card:  Here's hoping they announce something at Comiket or perhaps on the wraparound belt on Zoku when it comes out September 19th. where did you got this clean endcard??? i wanna this but a big one, like 1280x720 |
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| That was a fun 2 hour session. Not my favorite arc in the second season but it was still good. The adaptation was fantastic though. One of the best so far. Loved the visuals. Specifically the court filled with water to reflect Kanbaru's mom's quote in the beginning and end. Araragi cutting Kanbaru's hair felt a bit sad in a good way.. It gave a feeling that Kanbaru's long journey is finally over. It seems like a pretty symbolic thing so far that when the girls cut their hair it means they've moved past a pretty big hurdle in their life. Watching that reminded me of when Araragi cut Hanekawa's hair. I really want all those shorts animated sometime in the future. Sad to see that there's no extra news of future adaptions. Hopefully they give us a solid sucker punch with a new trailer of Kizu sometime soon. Final season still has another solid year+ before adaptation. Also Araragi's siscon truly knows no bounds. |
ihusmal1234Aug 20, 2014 7:59 PM
| I am glad I watch the sub by Commie fansub since they release all 5 of them at the same time so it feel like watching a movie. Overall,this is one of my favorite Monogatari arc. A bit sad seeing Rouka gone.I kinda like her.Really heartwarming arc. And Kanbaru finally move on with her arm. |
ZapredonAug 20, 2014 8:29 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| It was sad to see Rouka ascend all so suddenly without a chance for to declare a farewell to Kanbaru. |
| over the top animation and art and voice acting was superb but then again those stuff don't play the major part for me to actually like a series. I still can't force myself to enjoy all those dull, boring and very long talks. 6/10 |
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| Hmm...it's weird but after seeing the basketball game at the end, well seeing Kanbaru "cheat" anyways, I kinda wish this was a VN so we could see what would happen if Rouka won haha. Would be a really fun bad end watching her pick up the pieces and the results of that. Honestly I think this is mostly because it just felt really anti-climactic...although it was setup that way thanks to Kanbaru's ruse so...anyways... Personally my appreciation for the series goes up the more Kaiki's involved ((excluding Nise...)) but so far it's Mono 2nd>Hana>Bake>Neko>Nise. The visuals in this one were outstanding both in terms of metaphor ((the end with Araragi cutting Kanbaru's hair being compared to deflowering and then all the siscon statues...just top notch)) and just overall. Can't wait for Kizu ((and crossing my fingers for Kaikigatari)) |
| A lot of quotable quotes in this arc, ay? Lol! Really enjoyed this one even though my cute little Shinobu wasn't here :( I admire the relationship Kanbaru has with Araragi, they're really close buds; more than friends, less than lovers, exactly in the right spot (not part of his harem). Araragi needs a haircut as well. Kaiki with the beard wasn't so bad. He's become my favorite lovable villain. Araragi seriously has a huge problematic sister complex with Karen. I wonder why he likes her more than Tsukihi. Would really want to see what happened in between Monogatari Series: Second Season and this, Hanamonogatari. |
You can just be yourself. Do things your own way, one step at a time. You'll get there. Just be yourself, you'll be fine." ~Fruit Basket |
| Good stuff. Looking back and realizing how you've just watched pretty much the equivalent of an audio book while not being bored at any point is impressive. Usual shaft shenanigans animation, top quality voice acting (Asumi Kana, really? Monogatari series really has a dream team of VA's), solid story, and Kaiki is alive! kinda saw that coming though. I wonder what'll happen with the story from now, I'll patiently wait for more material to be animated. |
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| Well it's over. Sadly. Now the long wait for final season begins. I found my new signature, though. |
| "Then again, if she's not my sibling, there's no bling, either" - Ararararagi Koyomi |
| Usually stories show a clash between characters and the world they live in (Don Quixote and other ones like that) or a clash between characters, their personality, beliefs...By making them clash we get to understand characters better, we can understand them and see that there is no good and evil, just different points of view and a general consensus on what's acceptable and what's not. These series manage to create great characters who "clash" with each other through dialogue, reinforced by the imagery and the music. There have been ups and downs during Bakemonogatari, but Hanamonogatari is definitely close to the best of what this series has to offer. 10/10 |
| Araragi is truly a siscon master. Well that was just amazing. The basketball match was great. Love how they made the goal come out of the water. Thought the whole water court was a great effect. Araragi see her naked now does nothing for him. He rather see his sisters. Wait what? Loved the speech he gave at the end. The ed was just great. Kind of felt something from it. Overall I thought this was great. It really shed some light on Kanbaru and who she is. Like Araragi said she was just spending her youth. Felt like great end to her long journey. 10/10. Still hoping to see Kizu & hope to see the Final Season be made in like Fall of 2015. |
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| This series is so damn good. Suruga still my favorite character. I didn't love this installment like some of the rest. But I did really enjoy Suruga's development as an individual. Kaiki...that man. You not dead bastard lol. Can't wait to hear more about that with the final season. Glad all 5 episodes came out at once. Watching it in a 2 hour block was enjoyable. 8/10 |
| I'm ashamed of myself for ever doubting Hana. I really enjoyed the ending and it was once again, another beautiful story to add on to the Monogatari Series. Kaiki's return, Araragi's appearance and Karen ftw. :) It's pretty hilarious how there are always these sad trolls that vote not helpful to 97% of all reviews on MAL. 9/10 |
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| welp, a nice 2hrs marathon. just like that, it's over. the monogatari series still amazes me at how rich and deep the dialogues are. how one is able to come up with each line, and how polished each script is, giving each character their own uniqueness and charm, still amazes me to this day. 9/10 for a lot of quote worthy lines and the emphasis on how there's really never a right or wrong. we should do what we want to do. we're not going to be young forever. yolo! |
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| Damn! The 5 episodes felt like 10 minutes each. Something good always has a fast ending. Araragi was so mature now. Long hair. Looked kinda funny. So Rouka was dead after all. I was shocked to know that. Not that common. Kanbaru got her hair cut by Araragi. She looks old as new. Kanbaru will forever be the sportiest girl I know. |
| Pretty nice ending I must say, even though I'm not a huge fan of Suruga nor basket ball it was still pretty lovely in general and that service in the end surely was quite lovely! All in all another great side season of the monogatari series! I wonder what will be next if anything at all! 8/10 |
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| Quite a lot of dialogue to get through watching it all at once. This arc was pretty good, seeing Araragi towards the end was surprising and much needed. Now I'm a bit confused about the timeline, seeing Kaiki alive and well. |
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RediceRyan said: Quite a lot of dialogue to get through watching it all at once. This arc was pretty good, seeing Araragi towards the end was surprising and much needed. Now I'm a bit confused about the timeline, seeing Kaiki alive and well. Out of all the arcs that have been adapted, this arc is the last point in the timeline. I don't know where the final six books fit in though. They might come before Hanamonogatari as well. Anyway, I loved this arc. Very well done, lots of good quotes. Plus it was just plain suspenseful. Sure its almost entirely dialogue, but they are some of the most interesting dialogue I've ever seen. It also doesn't hurt that I'm not big on action in anime. Numachi was an incredibly interesting character. I could sort of relate to her in some aspects. Too bad she won't be returning. The only real lingering question is how to interpret the ED. Is it actual events, or more of a "what could have happened" thing? Not my favorite arc, but definitely a good one! Can't wait for more in the future! (Also it was great being able to marathon the whole thing!) |
| No Kanbaru!! That ponytail looked fabulous on you!! I expected to find out more about Kanbaru's mother and her past, but I suppose it's not as important as it has been implied. Kaiki is just looking out for his former crush's daughter. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
cyclone1993 said: So far Hanamonogatari is still the last one chronologically. Only Zokuowarimonogatari could be later. Tsukimonogatari, Koyomimonogatari, Owarimonogatari so far only go up to March while Hanamonogatari is in April.RediceRyan said: Quite a lot of dialogue to get through watching it all at once. This arc was pretty good, seeing Araragi towards the end was surprising and much needed. Now I'm a bit confused about the timeline, seeing Kaiki alive and well. Out of all the arcs that have been adapted, this arc is the last point in the timeline. I don't know where the final six books fit in though. They might come before Hanamonogatari as well. ... But I can't wait for Final Season! It is going to be absolutely amazing! Owarimonogatari is my favorite book so far, especially the third (last) volume. I hope Zoku lives up to it. |
neilviosuy said: Read Owarimonogatari and you guys are in for a treat. The story wraps up nicely with a cool twist in the final confrontation. I won't spoil anything though. I think Hanamonogatari is the last chronologically among the aired adaptations as well as Koyomimonogatari and the first two stories of Owarimonogatari. The last chapter of Owarimonogatari (Ougi Dark) happens after Hanamonogatari. (Since you know who is still present in hanamonogatari) Zokuowarimonogatari is the last book. Correct me if I am wrong since it has been quite a while. like a certain someone told me before, not everyone can read moonrunes. |
neilviosuy said: No, Ougi Dark takes place before Hanamonogatari. It happens after Koyomimonogatari but before Hanamonogatari, chronologically it is the second last story. And it happens right after the sixth chapter of Owarimonogatari (the 2nd chapter in the final/third book but the sixth overall).... I think Hanamonogatari is the last chronologically among the aired adaptations as well as Koyomimonogatari and the first two stories of Owarimonogatari. The last chapter of Owarimonogatari (Ougi Dark) happens after Hanamonogatari. (Since you know who is still present in hanamonogatari) ... Correct me if I am wrong since it has been quite a while. Ougi Dark timeline spoiler: While Hanamonogatari takes place in April, weeks later. |
neilviosuy said: Why he is still doing his thing? I don't know what you're asking there....(Can you explain why Ougi is still doing his thing in Hanamonogatari?) I read the LN but I couldn't fully understand it since I don't speak the language well. |
| 2 hours well spend really enjoyed this and it was worth the wait as usually with the Monogatari series. Still i would like to see more as usual. It was nice to learn a bit more about Kanbaru and it was nice to see things from her perspective for ones, it's her own story and that was something that was really missing in the Monogatari series. If anything i would like to see more of her and i would like to see more of Senjogahara of course, but for now this will do. Seeing Kaiki with a beard was also a fresh change he wasn't his usual self he looked more friendly and kind this time. And it's nice to see him in a different light for ones. Ougi being a trap this time was a bit of a let down tho, prefer to see her as a girl. But that could just be me personally. |
| I'll repeat myself.. In comparison to the Light Novel. How exactly far are we into the series? Will it end within another 2-3 anime adaptation or what? Thanks in advance. |
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Mikatarukito said: Hanamonogatari was the last arc of Second Season in the light novels to be animated. What we have left are:I'll repeat myself.. In comparison to the Light Novel. How exactly far are we into the series? Will it end within another 2-3 anime adaptation or what? Thanks in advance. Kizumonogatari from First Season. And: Tsukimonogatari, Koyomimonogatari (12 short stories), Owarimonogatari 1 (3 arcs), Owarimonogatari 2, Owarimonogatari 3 (3 arcs) and Zokuowarimonogatari from Final Season. Kizu was supposed to get a movie like 3 years ago... I really hope it comes out ... ever. I hope we get Final Season animated next summer. Could be 3 cour if they do it right or 2 cour if they crush it to death. |
| I need more, much more... I'm still broken from seeing Hachikuji leaving.... I need to see Araragi and Senjougahara in college...with Shinobu in the shadows...just imagine the mayhem that awaits ! There's so much more that can happen in this universe, with these characters, it would be a shame to leave it at this. |
| Stay Young and Watch Anime......el psy congroo |
| I’m surprised to see people not enjoying Hanamonogatari as much as I did (I guess just loved the amount of dialogue and very heavy characterization). Nisio Isin’s ability to tell such an emotionally-driven story in one outing really shines in this one, arguably on par with what we saw in stuff like Neko:Shiro or Otori/Koi. Kanbaru’s character reaches full maturation in the story, and while we get great moments with Kaiki and Araragi, I thought that the highlights of this arc came from the very interesting discussions of good and evil proposed by the very obstacle Kanbaru faces: her past archenemy Numachi “The Devil” Rouka. We’re thrown with multiple concepts here (angels, devils, swamp water even), and yet through Nisio Isin’s writing they managed to tie all these seeming random nicknames and ideas together from start to finish, giving thematic significance to each and every little individual detail to make for one rich story about unfulfilled dreams and regret in a person’s life. The animators were no slouch this time around either, and much of the surreal imagery that Monogatari is known for gets pushed up and beyond even by common standards known for the studio. Parallels were made between the self-serving mentality of Kaiki and Araragi in stark contrast to Kanbaru and Numachi’s more passionate drive in their good and evil motives. The arc really did a good job of finally distinguishing Kanbaru’s character as one of the lost and yet most virtuous protagonists in the Monogatari series and none of this could have been done without giving her some space as a lead of her own. Framing her narrative with a conflict originating from her past that she must deal with by herself, it really allowed her and Numachi to shine as one of the most memorable duos in the series; finally giving the girl her own story beyond just being a shadow in Senjougahara and Araragi’s relationship. Some folks have theorized that the ED could be an actual flashback or an alternate “what could have been”; so far from what I could tell, I honestly felt like it was the former (a flashback). It seemed to show a forgotten history between Kanbaru and Numachi that has come to pass as time went on, especially after the two had a falling out due to Numachi’s leg injury causing a huge rift between the two (a major theme in the story is the notion of giving weight to important memories even if they were seemingly forgotten). The fact that it emphasizes her leg injury and suicide as the final segment depicting their past pretty much makes it canon at this. Love the symbolism of Kanbaru chasing after the phantom image of Numachi, thereby finally meeting each other again on the court. This is even more tragic when you realize the kind of special relationship that Kanbaru and Numachi had lost only for the two to gain it again after such a long time. I love how the story never really indulges on the angst behind the backstory but rather it allowed the audience to recognize the sorrow experienced by the characters on their own, giving way for a much more personalized delivery that didn’t feel forced. And while we're on the subject? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they might've had something going on. There's so much yuri symbolism (the flowers, come on) that it's pretty hard to ignore and say that the two didn't remotely have any unresolved feelings for each other AT ALL (not to mention the whole play of seduction between a devil and an angel, and how it ties back into Kanbaru's homosexuality, a prevalent theme/motif for her character in of itself). So yeah, I don’t know about anyone else, but I felt that Hanamonogatari proved to be one of the biggest surprises of Monogatari Series Second Season, and to end the second season on such a powerful and emotional note really was a pleasant surprise. |
ronriFeb 18, 2015 2:35 PM
GX5000 said: Very few series make a transition from high school into university. Graduation so often forms a natural end point. A few cross it but not many. I need more, much more... I'm still broken from seeing Hachikuji leaving.... I need to see Araragi and Senjougahara in college...with Shinobu in the shadows...just imagine the mayhem that awaits ! There's so much more that can happen in this universe, with these characters, it would be a shame to leave it at this. I can't wait for Zoku next month. I may read the afterward first, hoping to see that the series is not yet over... |
ronri said: I’m surprised to see people not enjoying Hanamonogatari as much as I did... So yeah, I don’t know about anyone else, but I felt that Hanamonogatari proved to be one of the biggest surprises of Monogatari Series Second Season, and to end the second season on such a powerful and emotional note really was a pleasant surprise. Realize that the audience demographic for this show was rather wide...age group, nationality etc... You just can't please everyone, and quite frankly, if they did the show wouldn't have been as good as it was. Happy we both enjoyed it :) |
| Stay Young and Watch Anime......el psy congroo |
| Holy hell, that was beautiful. Pretty emotional. And then the haircut came and ruined it. ... I laugh at my shallowness. |
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| Yeah... sorry, I don't have a martyr complex, so I don't really relate with Numachi's story. Kanbaru's problems weren't really as emphasized as I'd like, but Kaiki and Araragi made up for it. A good braindump with a mediocre arc and unrelatable theme, it was fun but makes an incredibly moot point for me to really feel satisfied. 7/10 for the fun script and seiyuu casting, as well as Kaikiservice. |
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| I finally understood what Kanbaru meant when she said she knew Numachi would "steal" but not "rob"- it was a pun for basketball stealing. Ha. I did that one. Anyways, I didn't like Kanbaru at all before watching this so I was pleasantly surprised when I enjoyed it (although episode 4... ouch). That was somewhat of a theme/metaphor dump towards the end, but I guess its fine. Does anyone else feel though that the Monogatari world is becoming incredibly lonely? Well, I guess it's always been like this even in Bakemonogatari, but it's fullfelt here knowing how many people have simply disappeared. |
Yuschzhie said: The characters' perspective always excluded people with there is no dialogue with, because they might as well not exist for them(oooh, expressionism), it's always been like this. However in Bake Senjougahara, Hanekawa were recurring characters, along with Araragi always being in the picture with either of them.Does anyone else feel though that the Monogatari world is becoming incredibly lonely? Well, I guess it's always been like this even in Bakemonogatari, but it's felt here knowing how many people have simply disappeared. Seconds season showed a bit of isolation(Otorimonogatari), but there was either Senjougahara or Shinobu to make up for it. But since Hanekawa,Senjougahara, Araragi+Shinobu have all moved on and graduated, Kanbaru is left alone from them. That's just how life is, you simply depart from your school friends be it from time or different paths of life, it's natural. So Nisio had to resort to the old friend trope in order to have Kanbaru to have an arc of her own ascension beyond Araragi/Senjougahara's shadows. |
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| Holy.... I haven't watched anything this good in such a long time *cough*cough* second season. I really didn't like Kanbaru but this made me really appreciate her character. She tried solving it like Araragi. This might have killed all of the summer animes for me, the greatness is on a different level. The siscon is extreme. |
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| I love Araragi-Kanbaru conversations...Always full of Araragi pervertedness...He may be the only character who can say that kind of things with so much confidence,and in Hanamonogatari he also manages to look mature and cool in the very same conversation... After Araragi proved himself to be a top class lolicon in second season,now he admitted his siscon side...I would like to see Senjougahara's response to that... Now that there is no sequel is in sight soon,i would like to be able to read novels to keep my sanity...i would pay for any english translations of the novels....Its sad that translation is stopped... |
LoneWizzyAug 25, 2014 8:16 AM
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| Great adaption, solid 9/10 for me! |
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| It always takes me twice as long to watch these as it should, what with the reversing and click-throughs to read the quick frame title pages, but once again it doesn't disappoint. I watched the CR version which was edited together in movie fashion. I think I might have to rewatch the individual episodes just to make sure I haven't missed anything. |
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
| Monogatari is always impressive to me. I love just about everything about this series and Hana was no different. I got lucky that i discovered the Monogatari series just a little while ago, so i got to watch it all just before the release of Hana. For me, the most important part of any anime is it's characters. And this series has some of the best characters ever. Like them or hate them, you really feel for them. and no matter what, they entertain you. Hanamonogatari gets a 10/10 from me. |
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| I loved Hanamonogatari. I missed Kanbaru during monogatari season 2, enjoyed seeing her a lot throughout this episode!! Seeing things from her perpesctive was great, tbh and I can relate to her at times more than the other main characters. About running away and all, and most of advice she was given rang home to me. All in all, great arc with great writing as usual. 9/10 Live on Kanbaru :D |
| Loved it! Not sure how I feel about Koyomi with long hair though.. |
| 9/10, was a great remedy for my thirst and only leaves me wanting more. I loved Kanbaru's long hair but short does suit her <3. |
yodsanklai said: Hanamonogatari's Cinematography Great find! Love reading stuff like these, really enhances the experience. ^_^ |
parfaited said: Nope i still cry everytime i see a snail on the road :IMayoi's departure = nothing Nadeko craziness = nothing Hanekawa's everything = nothing Kanbaru getting a haircut = emotions everywhere and not because she cut it short (though I love her long hair) but because she cut it she let go, I need to let go, we all need to let things go |
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