Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 2 Discussion

Ddos_Dragon said:


I actually disagree. I think the fact that he can't trust the intentions of people justifies him buying a slave who can't defy him..

gophercg said:

I like how their parent child relation is building up, fast but still sensible.

Daniel_Naumov said:

Yeah, parent-child, just wait until she calls him daddy...

Killuan said:


My desire to read the source has never been so strong..but I must persevere.

Talcon said:
That's actually a really good point- it's quite thoughtful, and I appreciate it. The idea that, for example, that an animal that lives in captivity will live twice as long as an animal that lives in the wild. This is what I assume you're going for, anyways. It's a fair point.

The show is quick to acknowledge that Naofumi's behavior is disgusting. The blacksmith himself says he's not going to die painlessly. That's good. Perhaps Naofumi will grow as a person and eventually realize that 'wait, this is all wrong', then the arc might be acceptable, despite the growing pains.

I have two problems with this argument

1. Naofumi is already shown to be a decent human being in the first episode. He was betrayed by society, true, but all it takes is one rape accusation and all his morals and sense of self is completely broken. Does he not see himself in this girl? She too was taken advantage of by society, kept around for the sake of her usefulness as a slave, not for her value as a person. The change in Naofumi's character provides whiplash for me: he should have immediately related to this girl. Instead, he is hurt by society, so he immediately becomes this society. I'm sure he'll realize this over the course of the show, but that he didn't immediately just makes it seem like poor character writing for a protagonist who purportedly had a moral core just one episode ago. This is a lesser complaint, but still worth mentioning.

2. The Raccoon girl actually enjoys her punishment. That one line in the anime (I don't know if I linked it in this thread), where she says "Master, I'll fight for you, so please don't throw me away!". This is the essence of sadomasochism. The problem isn't just that a benevolent master might be good for a slave (which you correctly point out), it's that Naofumi isn't benevolent. He regularly tortures the girl for not obeying his commands. Buys her because she's cheap, not because he sympathizes with her. And he forces this traumatized child into fighting a monster that looks exactly like the one that killed her parents. This is cruel behavior. It is not benevolent. And then she loves him for it.

TsukuyomiREKT said:
Some really dumb people in this thread crying about nothing? I'm shocked...

malMaxi said:
Let me make it as clear as possible. Choice under pressure does not inherently equal abuse. Neither it is an indication of any enjoyment in making said choice. If anything, i'd say that choice by Raftalia was driven by fear of loss and her desire to overcome her past self.

Dontre said:
Can someone explain please, why Raphtalia's parents didn't jump with her. It looks very weird. They could survive, but they sacrificed themselves for no reason.

Talcon said:
I've already spent all the mental energy I want on this topic, but let me summarize briefly what I want to say

1. The argument that some people need a good master is irrelevant because Naofumi is not a good master.

2. He is not a good person, either. He may be a good "hero", because he wants to fight the waves, but being a good person, master, and hero are three entirely separate things. Naofumi fails on two of them.

3. The show has gone far enough to idolize their relationship. The ED has a smiling still image of Raph cuddling up next her to abuser. She should be withdrawn, shy, and terrified of the man who tortures her. She should not go "Omg he's the Shield hero I've always respected the heroes <3. And he gives me head pats too!". This is not how someone who is a victim of abuse acts.

4. I know it's just an analogy, so I don't want to get too upset over it, but I vehemently disagree that comparing Naofumi to a martial arts instructor is appropriate. I cannot stress this enough. He electrocuted. a child. for the sin. of not wanting to kill.

I feel I should give you fair warning, because I've already given this treatment to two other people in this thread, but I want you to look at this picture:
https://i.imgur.com/1fe60pZ.png
If your argument even starts to hint at the idea that this is not torture, that's it's somehow some fatherly or teacherly discipline, we're done here.

I would extend an olive branch, I would say the show can be redeemed... only if everything burns. If Naofumi dies in a miserable, horrible, wrenching death, and the show makes the point that it is all his fault, and abandons any pretense of a revenge/power fantasy, then I would say he got exactly what he deserved. But something tells me that won't happen. Something tells me Naofumi will "grow as a person" and get some manner of happy end, or perhaps a heroic death. Of course, if that were such the case, why is the show trying to humanize Naofumi? He's not human. He electrocutes children.

NitroKageAki said:


Since there's no guarantee the dog won't give chase if they jump together, so they do a very parent thing by becoming dog bait to buy time and then hoping for the best that for every second they managed to stall would translate to their daughter's survival rate.

Talcon said:

I said Raph had masochistic tendencies, yes. Stockholm Syndrome is, boiled down, a masochistic tendency. It's loving those who hurt you. I don't think I said Raph actually enjoys the pain itself, however. If I did, I erred, I didn't mean it like that. But she absolutely has come to love a man who abuses her. This is sadomasochism. There's no better word to describe it.

Dontre said:

But it could make only one parent to buy time. They saved her from the dog, but as orphan little girl have low chances to survive, isn't it?

malMaxi said:


--- Good Grief that was a long conversation. I've edited it down for brevity. ---

NoviSun said:
You rang malMaxi? Apparently you had some kind of a problem with one of my nuggets of wisdom. Sadly, before I could read your no doubt blistering screed, it was deleted. Please do share. I want to read something that will catch my ears on fire and make my palms grow hairy. Please, I miss you.

If on the other hand you're battling the barbarian sjws whining about this fictional work, my complements. I wish I wasn't so lazy and I would read the long winded screeds back and forth, but my mind just fogs over as I get into them, and I decide that spider solitaire is a better use of my time.

Fede_5000 said:
this is exactly the same as darlingXX

chobitsza said:
Great episode but the pace is too fast, which make the character development and relationship not as good as it should be.

If they still keep this pace, the finale will go beyond LN vol.4, which IMO is a very bad choice since vol.5 or so is not good and satisfy enough to be the finale at all.

Gerver said:
What the actual fuck, the skipped like 90% of content and rushed Raphtalia arc like it was nothing. I thought DOge fight will be like episode 4 and we will see how they get used to each other, from cold Nao and scared Raphtalia to an actual party. But they pushed it in 20 minutes.
After awesome first episode this is just 0/10, my eyes bleed.
If anyone liked first episode you better read ranobe, this was not an episode, this was a fucking abomination of speedrun industry.

If i havent read ranobe I would be like
"Duh, another trash isekai where girl fall in love in MC in a single fucking episode, total garbage, droped". It pains me for what they did to this episode.