| Pffffffft best way to support is buying BD's anyway. I do use CR but I don't care about this stuff anyway, I will just go pirate if I can't watch the shows thanks to Legal bullshit. AdoSama said: This is really..............shit tbh I am a premium member and sometimes use Opera VPN to watch stuff that isn't avaliable in EU, wich is like 60% of shows  I love Crunchyroll and it's a great thing and all, but they need to start improving, from their site design to ditching flash out for HTML5 to their mobile app, or they will start loosing subscribers :v rn kissanime seems like a better thing for most people, can't really argue with that. Yh The whole shitty flash thing keeps on freezing my dam Browser, they better fix that. BDW what is Opera VPN? Is that a function of the Opera browser? Mod edit: Combined double posts |
ArdanazMar 16, 2017 6:03 PM
Bourmegar said: AdoSama said: This is really..............shit tbh I am a premium member and sometimes use Opera VPN to watch stuff that isn't avaliable in EU, wich is like 60% of shows I love Crunchyroll and it's a great thing and all, but they need to start improving, from their site design to ditching flash out for HTML5 to their mobile app, or they will start loosing subscribers :v rn kissanime seems like a better thing for most people, can't really argue with that. Yh The whole shitty flash thing keeps on freezing my dam Browser, they better fix that. BDW what is Opera VPN? Is that a function of the Opera browser? Yes, Opera has a built in free and unlimited VPN. Currently it only has Canada, USA, Germany, Netherlands, Singapore. They also have a mobile VPN app. Both work really well for most of the time streaming 1080p, but sometimes it gets a bit slow then I need to drop to 720p :v but hey it's free lol |
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-chronos said: he was talking about the kissanime, and other stream sites who get their files from horriblesubs torrents and their derivatesErebus25 said: check the timing, take Iron Blooded Orphans which got out an hour ago, or Zestiria when it gets out in 2 and a half hours basically, you go CR--> HS--> stream sites I don't get what you're trying to say. If you download raw episodes on nyaa, I'm pretty sure they are ripped directly from Japanese TV, not from crunchyroll. interestingly, Ohys-Raws' tv rip was uploaded on nyaa before the HS CR rip |
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| It's not a loss for me since i don't really care about it. Very interesting indeed though. |
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Oxalias said: Hate to break it to you, but Kiss and other illegal streaming sites just re-encode rips of CR/Funi streams (for any modern/recent series), so you were already getting worse quality than CR even before this reduction. And given that that worse quality hasn't hurt the popularity of Kiss and other bootleg streaming sites at all, it's clear that most viewers don't care that much about bitrate/video quality in the first place. Unless it serves as a cudgel for the anti-industry crowd, anyway.I always use kissanime so i'm good, but people that actually pay to watch anime are splashing out AdoSama said: Blame the Japanese licensors for Flash. I love Crunchyroll and it's a great thing and all, but they need to start improving, from their site design to ditching flash out for HTML5 to their mobile app, or they will start loosing subscribers :v Tomislavr7 said: Paid downloads aren't going to be an overall solution when hardly anybody even wants to download anime episodes for free anymore. As for money-splitting, that's been addressed: I'd personally prefer if I could buy anime episodes like I buy games on Steam. It's easy to use and the money isn't split between all the stuff I don't want to watch. And I consider digital download a nicer option than streams and disks. Though really, any money spent on entertainment has some element of "splitting with other stuff," as the revenue from big hits is what cross-subsidizes lesser titles that don't sell as well. |
ZalisMar 12, 2017 8:30 AM
| If they do that and stick to it(let's say they do it after all) I'd just switch to watching BD/BDrips even if it means giving up on watching seasonal stuff. Nothing speaks better to companies than your wallet. |
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| Hmm, that so eh? I dunno, so far when I see them HS rips my eyes don't really perceive much of a difference really. Maybe for some shows yeah, but so far nothin. In any case, all I ever care about is that there's even access to shows to begin with. Anything else is just a bonus. Yeap, ain't nothin tuh fret too much about. Just watch the corporate fireworks n move along. |
| And i was thinking the wordt thing about crunchyroll were they awfull anime awards No they have to fuck up even my shitty pirate sources |
| The time for "fansub" encoders to shine... xD Get 'em good! Ehhh... Either way, meaning, OLD CR video quality| NEW CR video quality 1080p|720p-ish 720p|480p-ish 480p| 240p-ish GG streaming sites who also uses watermarks to further reduce the stuff in the series... xD EcchiLordMamster said: JustALEX said: HAHAHAHA! Looks like Crunchyroll wants to bring that terrible Japanese birthrate to America! unfortunately i have to say that doesn't sound like a bad idea >.> Mass migration of what?! tsundere maids?! I'm in~ @Lord_Sithis Well, BDrips are the way to go... |
| Miles, the guy on Crunchyroll's team who literally searches for people who post "KissAnime" on Twitter and scold them for using an evil pirate site, has been handling this all wrong and making Crunchyroll look worse. Instead of focusing on the actual issue for people who are paying for the service, he takes another opportunity to attack people who watch rips from CR's server, claiming "that's just how the rip looks lol." He got hit with proof that the quality was shit coming from CR and just froze like a deer in headlights. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| This whole thread is a conspiracy theory It was a technical issue that's already been solved I don't know what I expected from MAL, but I think you guys just hit rock bottom |
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| Off topic but when I first read this, I read 'Crunchyroll has reduced birthrate by 40-70%' |
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CatSoul said: Miles, the guy on Crunchyroll's team who literally searches for people who post "KissAnime" on Twitter and scold them for using an evil pirate site, has been handling this all wrong and making Crunchyroll look worse. Instead of focusing on the actual issue for people who are paying for the service, he takes another opportunity to attack people who watch rips from CR's server, claiming "that's just how the rip looks lol." Rips from CR usually look worse, though. Is he a bad person for making a logical assumption? Also, it takes some real guts to try and make Miles look bad because he tells people to stop stealing his site's content. Inb4 "IT'S NOT STEALING" |
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Lollo36 said: CatSoul said: Miles, the guy on Crunchyroll's team who literally searches for people who post "KissAnime" on Twitter and scold them for using an evil pirate site, has been handling this all wrong and making Crunchyroll look worse. Instead of focusing on the actual issue for people who are paying for the service, he takes another opportunity to attack people who watch rips from CR's server, claiming "that's just how the rip looks lol." Rips from CR usually look worse, though. Is he a bad person for making a logical assumption? Also, it takes some real guts to try and make Miles look bad because he tells people to stop stealing his site's content. Inb4 "IT'S NOT STEALING" I'm not trying to make Miles look bad for telling people not to steal his content. It is a bit bizarre that he goes out of his way to search the word "KissAnime" and attack everyone who uses it though. The rips that were coming from CR showed a very obvious problem also coming from CR, yet his first reaction was "haha fake news that's just a pirate rip piracy bad". |
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CatSoul said: I'm not trying to make Miles look bad for telling people not to steal his content. It is a bit bizarre that he goes out of his way to search the word "KissAnime" and attack everyone who uses it though. Your feelings don't have the right to be protected from legitimate criticism, or "attacks", if you want to call them that The rips that were coming from CR showed a very obvious problem also coming from CR, yet his first reaction was "haha fake news that's just a pirate rip piracy bad". Are you dense? I just explained to you that CR rips usually have lower quality than the original stream, of course you would think the same thing if you were in his position. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
ArdanazMar 16, 2017 6:07 PM
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Lollo36 said: But the "CR rips" from Horriblesubs are CR's streams, just with different subtitle styling and packaged as downloadable streams. They don't change anything about the video or audio quality or encoding. Thus, analyzing the specs of HS files gives us the specs of the streams from CR, or whoever HS happens to be ripping from. It's only when HS/CR files get re-encoded by bootleg streaming sites (or other re-encoders like BakedFish that distribute downloadable .mp4s) that the quality decreases below whatever it was on CR. Dismissing evidence from episode-to-episode HS comparisons simply because they're from a non-legal source is awfully reminiscent of a certain government trying to discredit unfavorable information as simultaneously being illegal leaks and fake news.The rips that were coming from CR showed a very obvious problem also coming from CR, yet his first reaction was "haha fake news that's just a pirate rip piracy bad". Are you dense? I just explained to you that CR rips usually have lower quality than the original stream, of course you would think the same thing if you were in his position. |
ZalisMar 12, 2017 6:38 PM
GangsterCat said: AdoSama said: wut opera has their own VPN? didn't know that, ive been using Opera for who knows how many yearsYes, Opera has a built in free and unlimited VPN. Currently it only has Canada, USA, Germany, Netherlands, Singapore. They also have a mobile VPN app. Both work really well for most of the time streaming 1080p, but sometimes it gets a bit slow then I need to drop to 720p :v but hey it's free lol Yeah, but opera only introduced this feature like in the second half of 2016. It wasn't there before that. Also, it's a little different from VPNs like Ivacy, Nord and others in the sense that Opera is more of a Proxy and that means it can change the IP but it won't encrypt the data. About CrunchyRoll cutting down on streaming quality. I got a 40" TV and stream stuff over CR using my PS usually but you can see the pixels on a low quality stream, and it's kinda big turnoff. |
| I was planning on cancelling my sub to crunchy and I think this is gonna make me do it. |
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| That much? Dang. I could understand if it was a 10 or 20 percent quality drop, but 40 percent? That's a pretty greedy and excessive cut. Now I know why I don't use Crunchyroll. Here's hoping that fansubs and blu-rays maintain their quality. |
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InsaneLeader13 said: That much? Dang. I could understand if it was a 10 or 20 percent quality drop, but 40 percent? That's a pretty greedy and excessive cut. Now I know why I don't use Crunchyroll. Here's hoping that fansubs and blu-rays maintain their quality. But I heard that it was an error that has been fixed at this moment. Although I still have issues with its flash, but that could be just my Computer. |
Bourmegar said: InsaneLeader13 said: That much? Dang. I could understand if it was a 10 or 20 percent quality drop, but 40 percent? That's a pretty greedy and excessive cut. Now I know why I don't use Crunchyroll. Here's hoping that fansubs and blu-rays maintain their quality. But I heard that it was an error that has been fixed at this moment. Although I still have issues with its flash, but that could be just my Computer. Yeah, seems like I spoke too soon. At least it was a temporary thing. |
| "I'd take rampant lesbianism over nuclear armageddon or a supervolcano any day." ~nikiforova |
| Worst case, you'd just have to extract the subs and download raws to watch it in better quality. At least CR rips have soft subs, I think Funimation is the one with hardsubs that can't be ripped, and their video quality is usually pretty bad. |
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InsaneLeader13 said: Bourmegar said: But I heard that it was an error that has been fixed at this moment. Although I still have issues with its flash, but that could be just my Computer. Yeah, seems like I spoke too soon. At least it was a temporary thing. at least it yh. still the best Quality always comes from Original Blurays. |
Aquamirror said: of course it's intentional and it's just damage control lolLollo36 said: This whole thread is a conspiracy theory It was a technical issue that's already been solved I don't know what I expected from MAL, but I think you guys just hit rock bottom How does one make such a "technical issue"? Lol Damage control full force. Lollo36 said: Listen buddy, you can watch anime however you want, but you sure as hell aren't entitled to feeling good about pirating it, and trust me, no amount of mental gymnastics is going to get you on the moral high ground, in this discussion. Message me again when your fragile ego can actually admit that you're doing something bad, which hurts others while benefitting only yourself. Moral is for the weak. Thanks for paying for my entertainment buddy, it benefits everyone. :) And quality of rips between other sites and cuntyroll is exactly the same. https://medium.com/@Daiz/crunchyrolls-reduced-video-quality-is-deliberate-cost-cutting-at-the-expense-of-paying-customers-c86c6899033b#.47aiedijm |
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Lollo36 said: Are you dense? I just explained to you that CR rips usually have lower quality than the original stream, of course you would think the same thing if you were in his position. It is you who is dense and uninformed. HS rips ARE the video from CR. If the HR looks bad it's only because the CR looks bad. It's a direct copy and everyone knows this. |
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| You might as well use good old YouTube if you're going to get poor video quality, or Viewster and Anime Network, they have plenty of good series on those sites, ( I stream those On Demand or a DVD app, but they have online websites.) I never did mess with Crunchyroll. They probably have a shitload of users that use up a lot of bandwidth, so they need to reduce the video quality bitrate. |
PeppermintHearts said: They probably have a shitload of users that use up a lot of bandwidth, so they need to reduce the video quality bitrate. No, they need to put that money into use and upgrade their infrastructure instead of deceiving their customers. |
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| Is the CR forums on fire with this issue? |
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| I actually did some research on the issue, and I have to take back my previous statement. Crunchy is purposefully reducing the bitrate to cut costs, and when they "fixed" the issue, they actually just adjusted the bitrates for the latest episodes of each airing series, in its first few days after airing. Then, once most people have watched it, they revert the episode back to the shitty bitrate. That is moronic. This way, HS/Kissanime rips get the better quality because they steal the episode right after it comes out, while paying customers who watch episodes 2+ days after they air get shafted. The backlash is totally deserved. |
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Erebus25 said: you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR there's tv rips, in which the quality is basically the same as those aired in Japan. i don't use kissanime, but i expect they use a variety of sources, not just CR. there's also bd-rips, which is better than tv-rips or CR-rips. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
| CR taking some inspiration from Toei, get the market up and own it then lower the quality since they will watch it anyways XD |
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| You can't steal digital content. I would have never payed anyway, so blaming me for Cunty's quality loss is funny. Shitty company seeking excuses by blaming "the bad guys" while fucking over their own customers.. and they buy it. XD Kissanime does nothing to the videos, what is ripped stays exactly the same. There are numerous alternative hosts and you can always download the videos and play them locally. |
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Lollo36 said: You were an accomplice in making them resort to cutting costs, because you stole their content instead of paying for it. i'm not going to argue about morality, but saying that CR had no choice but to lower the quality due to sheer operational costs makes zero sense considering: 1) they achieved over 1 million subscribers http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/09-1/crunchyroll-surpasses-over-one-million-paid-subscribers-details-daily-giveaways-to-celebrate , which means they earn at least around 70 million dollars a year (actually more, considering some users are premium plus, and they also get money from selling merchandise, and also a cut from the ad revenue) 2) they hosted a "million subscriber event", with monetary reward + ticket to Japan for the winner, as well as a planned expo event, which is not cheap to host over 70 million dollars and they can't afford better servers and stream anime with quality expected of a premium service. edit: $6.95 / month * 12 months = $83.4 / year 1 million subs = 1 million * $83.4 / year = $83.4 million / year of course, part of that money goes to anime companies to license, but CR still retain a sizeable portion. |
DreamingBeatsMar 14, 2017 9:43 AM
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
Aquamirror said: You can't steal digital content. I would have never payed anyway, so blaming me for Cunty's quality loss is funny. "IT'S NOT STEALING!!!!!!!!!!!111111111" I'll post this thing from another thread "Pirating anime that you have no legal access to is acceptable Pirating anime that are on platforms that you won't use often (Amazon Prime, Netflix) is... tolerable Pirating anime that's on Crunchyroll is unexcusable. Not only are you depriving the original publisher and creators of the share they get from Crunchy, you're also saying that the sub team doesn't deserve to get paid for its job, as 99% of illegal rips use official subs now. You're not telling the Jap companies what you want to support (Crunchy has a sistem in which your sub fee is split based on the percentage of time you spend watching each show). You're allowing the ones who upload rips of official streams to profit off of stolen work, through unsafe ads. You're incentivizing them to keep doing it and you're helping them get more popular in any means of online search. The funniest thing is, you're doing it even though Crunchyroll releases everything for free 1 week after it was originally uploaded, so you can't even excuse it with your lack of income, because if that were the case, you could still pick the moral option of deciding to fall behind on shows instead of watching them illegally as they come out." Saying that you would never have paid doesn't change the issue, which is the fact that you're saying "morality is for the weak", excusing your behavior, while being morally upright about Crunchy's bullshit. That's a blatant double standard that's meant to justify your position as a somewhat good person, by characterizing Crunchy as villains and you as the rational consumer that did nothing wrong. In reality, Crunchy screwed over its customers, while you've been screwing over us, Crunchy and the industry at large, all this time. Shitty company seeking excuses by blaming "the bad guys" while fucking over their own customers.. and they buy it. XD I already said a few posts back that Crunchy deserves the backlash. That doesn't stop me from blaming your shitty behavior. Kissanime does nothing to the videos, what is ripped stays exactly the same. You can even download the videos and play them locally. Oh, For fuck's sake. This is the Crunchy 720p stream This is the Kissanime 720p stream you can see that the first one's lines are sharper and the colors/lighting looks much better |
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DreamingBeats said: Lollo36 said: You were an accomplice in making them resort to cutting costs, because you stole their content instead of paying for it. i'm not going to argue about morality, but saying that CR had no choice but to lower the quality due to sheer operational costs makes zero sense That's not what I claimed. I'll quote myself: The backlash is totally deserved. But aquamirror has no business in this backlash because he factually made things worse for the company in question. Crunchy and him can be in the wrong at the same time. |
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| In the grand scheme, Japan earns jackshit from Cunty. But you should feel good by "supporting the industry". XDDDDD Adblocked kissanime wouldn't earn jackshit from me either, not like I care who gets the money anyway. I want to watch anime, I watch anime. I don't wait fucking week to get an old episode... with shitty quality. :D Cunty offers near nothing in some regions, so their service is completely unusable. Again, nothing is stolen and I'm not screwing anyone, when I would have never payed for such a thing. If piracy didn't exist nobody would even know anime is alive. |
AquamirrorMar 14, 2017 10:20 AM
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Aquamirror said: In the grand scheme, Japan earns jackshit from Cunty. But you should feel good by "supporting the industry". XDDDDD Japan earns at the very least 2.5 million dollars per month from Crunchy. That's without counting the revenue for the higher-tier premium subscriptions, or the fact that Crunchy is sitting at the production committee/contributing to financing every single Kadokawa anime, along with many others, like Kiznaiver, Luluco etc. Adblocked kissanime wouldn't earn jackshit from me either, not like I care who gets the money anyway. I want to watch anime, I watch anime. I don't wait fucking week to get an old episode... with shitty quality. :D Cunty offers near nothing in some regions, so their service is completely unusable. Yeah, I don't blame people for pirating region locked shows, as I said in my previous post, but using kissanime does end up popularizing it in google search and the like. And I don't know why you think that by being assertive about it, you think that you somehow justify your douchey attitude towards legality. You don't care, you don't want to wait, I get it, but not caring is still morally wrong. And let's make this clear, if you say you don't care about morality, you don't get to care or complain about anything ever, unless you want to be a blatant hypocrite. Again, nothing is stolen and I'm not screwing anyone, when I would have never payed for such a thing. If piracy didn't exist nobody would even know anime is alive. I don't know if you really think that saying "I would have never paid for it" is a valid excuse. IT'S 5 DOLLARS PER MONTH. 5. DOLLARS. If you don't pay, it's because you don't give a shit about doing the right thing. Regarding your second point, piracy is a good resource when you have no alternatives, which was the case back in the 2000s. Now it's not excusable, unless you're getting region-locked. Also, anime was popularized by TV in the west, way before the advent of the internet. About that screenshot, give me anime name with ep and timestamp. :^) Mob Psycho ep 1 00:15 |
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| Who gives a shit about google search? If you want to watch it legally you should already know the ways. I don't care, really, if you want to pay for anime, do it. I can still look from the back and laugh how monopolistic companies screw you over. 5 dollars/month is still 5 dollars/month too much. With millions subscribers, Cunty continues their shit service. Why should I pay some shady company when I can get the same thing for free? If I really want to support the creators that much, I can buy that specific anime/source directly from them. I'm sure Japan would get fuckload rich from those 5 dollars. XD And the internet is the reason the popularity is so big in this moment. TVs mostly offered kids shows, I doubt many people cared about retail releases. |
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| I gotta say, it feels real good not to be a Crunchytroll subscriber |
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DreamingBeats said: Erebus25 said: you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR there's tv rips, in which the quality is basically the same as those aired in Japan. i don't use kissanime, but i expect they use a variety of sources, not just CR. there's also bd-rips, which is better than tv-rips or CR-rips. thats the thing, streaming site dont use anything, they just link stuff from fansubber the biggest fansub group is HS, and they get their stuff from CR real bd-rips come way after initial episode releases |
Comic_Sans said: yeah, a lot of people with moral high ground who demonize non subscriber and feeling good about themselves for "supporting industry" even though they did jackshit besides funding scam company lolI gotta say, it feels real good not to be a Crunchytroll subscriber there is 0 reason to subscribe crunchyroll if you are not murican. and even if you are murican, there is 0 reason to subscribe crunchyroll besides awnting to feel good about yourself. that's it. congrats, you got scamaz. |
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| I've been thinking of starting to just out right buy anime from viz/sentai/funi when I find something I adore. I could just stop paying for crunchy and buy a volume a month or some sht. Might be worth it... |
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GangsterCat said: Oxalias said: no it means our pirate quality become lower as well since horriblesubs is ripping junkrollsI always use kissanime so i'm good, but people that actually pay to watch anime are splashing out The day the shows are released are still in HD quality, and pages like kissanime are ripping these videos. They can watch the HQ show for free whenever they want while CR users pay for less after the day of release. I call that outrageous bullshit. |
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