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Mar 12, 2017 12:06 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/

congrats I guess crunchroll fanboys? you got SCAMAZ!
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I always use kissanime so i'm good, but people that actually pay to watch anime are splashing out
no it means our pirate quality become lower as well since horriblesubs is ripping junkrolls
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Mar 12, 2017 12:17 AM
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Lol Crunchyroll wtf? Oh well, I'm Torrent Master Race™, so it's not a problem.
Mar 12, 2017 12:21 AM
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Lol Crunchyroll wtf? Oh well, I'm Torrent Master Race™, so it's not a problem.


Regardless, we of all people should try to find methods to support the anime industry, if we among everyone pride ourselves as torrent master race, how could we expect quality anime to continue being made in the first place. Hence, this is a disappointing news no matter what.
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the reactions from carebears on reddit really funny to read XD

happiehappie said:
Lord_Sithis said:
Lol Crunchyroll wtf? Oh well, I'm Torrent Master Race™, so it's not a problem.


Regardless, we of all people should try to find methods to support the anime industry, if we among everyone pride ourselves as torrent master race, how could we expect quality anime to continue being made in the first place. Hence, this is a disappointing news no matter what.
by not supporting monopoly scam company like trashrolls
my manga collection probably support industry way more than you since CR (your money) contributed $0 to them hmm

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Mar 12, 2017 12:22 AM
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Weird decision from CR.
I use other means to watch anime though.
Mar 12, 2017 12:22 AM
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you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/
Mar 12, 2017 12:23 AM
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Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/
thats why it's bad news coz we got lower quality thanks to people supporting these scam artists. they kill all fansubs, take moral highground and then just make everything garbage (sub/video) because they can.
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Mar 12, 2017 12:27 AM
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happiehappie said:
Lord_Sithis said:
Lol Crunchyroll wtf? Oh well, I'm Torrent Master Race™, so it's not a problem.


Regardless, we of all people should try to find methods to support the anime industry, if we among everyone pride ourselves as torrent master race, how could we expect quality anime to continue being made in the first place. Hence, this is a disappointing news no matter what.
The Torrent Master Race thing was a joke...
Mar 12, 2017 12:29 AM
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Maybe they don't have the technical feasibility anymore since the increasing amount of series every season keep piling up on their stream catalogue. I think they should build/purchase more servers just to host the streams specifically. Just a guess.
Mar 12, 2017 12:34 AM

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you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/
thats why it's bad news coz we got lower quality thanks to people supporting these scam artists. they kill all fansubs, take moral highground and then just make everything garbage (sub/video) because they can.


they will lose quite a lot of subscribers because of this, if they dont improve their service
Mar 12, 2017 12:38 AM

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they actually fixed it after surprising backlash from most legal fanboys forum, reddit community. but fortunately damages already been done lol
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Mar 12, 2017 12:41 AM

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Even the min rate is %40? Really? Not even talking about %70.

Well now I am glad that I am not using that site.
Mar 12, 2017 1:29 AM
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Tfw I don't really use Crunchyroll but Meh, it's not really like I cared much since I don't use it but oh well.
Mar 12, 2017 1:45 AM

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It is not anything new anyway, Crunchyroll has always been giving bad quality services from the start. Its surprising there are still some using CR and "think" it can support the industry(to Japan), half truth & half lie(which no one knows).

Especially their subs pretty much done by newbies. It is true that there are no 100% correct subs, but CR subs doesn't even match up to the average correct standard(which is as correct as possible). Really pity those who watch through CR, because the subs they experience sometimes don't really reflect what characters speech or the meaning is different. Veteran anime watchers can easily pin point subs mistakes.

Basically the subcribers paid and received bad quality stuffs, not supporting the industry in anyway.
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happiehappie said:
Lord_Sithis said:
Lol Crunchyroll wtf? Oh well, I'm Torrent Master Race™, so it's not a problem.


Regardless, we of all people should try to find methods to support the anime industry, if we among everyone pride ourselves as torrent master race, how could we expect quality anime to continue being made in the first place. Hence, this is a disappointing news no matter what.
I buy my manga so I'm good. For anime, I just download it from masterani or kissanime.
Mar 12, 2017 3:02 AM
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Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR

Not really. On nyaa you can get raws which are directly ripped from TV in Japan, then just apply soft subs manually. Maybe not available for all anime, but for most nonetheless. Not to mentioned better encoded files get released after blueray if you need top quality.
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Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/
Really? I seriously doubt CR offers 30GB+ BDRip quality for a single show
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Lord_Sithis said:
Lol Crunchyroll wtf? Oh well, I'm Torrent Master Race™, so it's not a problem.

Mate you get that this means HorribleSubs' rips became shittier too, right?

Anyway, it seems HS have managed to get the higher bitrate releases back now. People on nyaa were going fucking tits about this last night. This is why bluray groups are so important :^)
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-chronos said:
Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR

Not really. On nyaa you can get raws which are directly ripped from TV in Japan, then just apply soft subs manually. Maybe not available for all anime, but for most nonetheless. Not to mentioned better encoded files get released after blueray if you need top quality.


check the timing, take Iron Blooded Orphans which got out an hour ago, or Zestiria when it gets out in 2 and a half hours

basically, you go CR--> HS--> stream sites

Yanri said:
Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/
Really? I seriously doubt CR offers 30GB+ BDRip quality for a single show


I have no idea what you are talking about, but I think that videos of that quality arent even available until offical BDs gets released and we are talking about episodes released an hour or 2 after broadcasting

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Mar 12, 2017 4:44 AM

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lol get rekt CR. Well, I mostly torrent so I don't see how this is a problem to m-
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you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Mar 12, 2017 4:48 AM

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CR is overrated, there are a bunch of better ones
Mar 12, 2017 4:51 AM

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I don't really care, because this will only affect newer anime, and it's not a big difference.
I used to watch anime in 480p a lot, no problem for me.
Mar 12, 2017 4:58 AM

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I don't really care, because this will only affect newer anime, and it's not a big difference.
I used to watch anime in 480p a lot, no problem for me.

480 p and 720 p has a lot difference. It realy looks shitty if you got used to 720 p only. It looks like potato pixel quality
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Erebus25 said:
Yanri said:
Really? I seriously doubt CR offers 30GB+ BDRip quality for a single show


I have no idea what you are talking about, but I think that videos of that quality arent even available until offical BDs gets released and we are talking about episodes released an hour or 2 after broadcasting
I mostly torrent batches. Don't get the point of watching airing shows. Rips are better in every aspect unless you're actively discussing episodes​ after broadcasting
Mar 12, 2017 5:02 AM

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Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/

Except for hundreds of (obscure) anime that aren't on Crunchyroll. CR mostly consists of the really popular stuff.
Mar 12, 2017 5:12 AM

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JonasTheJay said:
Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/

Except for hundreds of (obscure) anime that aren't on Crunchyroll. CR mostly consists of the really popular stuff.


What I'm talking about is aring anime, they don't license everything, but a large part
Mar 12, 2017 5:17 AM

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This is really..............shit tbh
I am a premium member and sometimes use Opera VPN to watch stuff that isn't avaliable in EU, wich is like 60% of shows
I love Crunchyroll and it's a great thing and all, but they need to start improving, from their site design to ditching flash out for HTML5 to their mobile app, or they will start loosing subscribers :v
rn kissanime seems like a better thing for most people, can't really argue with that.



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JonasTheJay said:
Erebus25 said:
you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR


here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/

Except for hundreds of (obscure) anime that aren't on Crunchyroll. CR mostly consists of the really popular stuff.
more like every seasonal anime
not just really popular ones

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thats why it's bad news coz we got lower quality thanks to people supporting these scam artists. they kill all fansubs, take moral highground and then just make everything garbage (sub/video) because they can.


they will lose quite a lot of subscribers because of this, if they dont improve their service
i think most cr users dont care that much about bitrate to unsubscribe and might even be completely unaware
Mar 12, 2017 5:21 AM

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Pffffffft best way to support is buying BD's anyway.

I do use CR but I don't care about this stuff anyway, I will just go pirate if I can't watch the shows thanks to Legal bullshit.

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This is really..............shit tbh
I am a premium member and sometimes use Opera VPN to watch stuff that isn't avaliable in EU, wich is like 60% of shows
I love Crunchyroll and it's a great thing and all, but they need to start improving, from their site design to ditching flash out for HTML5 to their mobile app, or they will start loosing subscribers :v
rn kissanime seems like a better thing for most people, can't really argue with that.

Yh The whole shitty flash thing keeps on freezing my dam Browser, they better fix that.

BDW what is Opera VPN? Is that a function of the Opera browser?

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Bourmegar said:
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This is really..............shit tbh
I am a premium member and sometimes use Opera VPN to watch stuff that isn't avaliable in EU, wich is like 60% of shows
I love Crunchyroll and it's a great thing and all, but they need to start improving, from their site design to ditching flash out for HTML5 to their mobile app, or they will start loosing subscribers :v
rn kissanime seems like a better thing for most people, can't really argue with that.

Yh The whole shitty flash thing keeps on freezing my dam Browser, they better fix that.

BDW what is Opera VPN? Is that a function of the Opera browser?



Yes, Opera has a built in free and unlimited VPN. Currently it only has Canada, USA, Germany, Netherlands, Singapore.
They also have a mobile VPN app. Both work really well for most of the time streaming 1080p, but sometimes it gets a bit slow then I need to drop to 720p :v but hey it's free lol



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Not really. On nyaa you can get raws which are directly ripped from TV in Japan, then just apply soft subs manually. Maybe not available for all anime, but for most nonetheless. Not to mentioned better encoded files get released after blueray if you need top quality.


check the timing, take Iron Blooded Orphans which got out an hour ago, or Zestiria when it gets out in 2 and a half hours

basically, you go CR--> HS--> stream sites

I don't get what you're trying to say. If you download raw episodes on nyaa, I'm pretty sure they are ripped directly from Japanese TV, not from crunchyroll.
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-chronos said:
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check the timing, take Iron Blooded Orphans which got out an hour ago, or Zestiria when it gets out in 2 and a half hours

basically, you go CR--> HS--> stream sites

I don't get what you're trying to say. If you download raw episodes on nyaa, I'm pretty sure they are ripped directly from Japanese TV, not from crunchyroll.
he was talking about the kissanime, and other stream sites who get their files from horriblesubs torrents and their derivates
interestingly, Ohys-Raws' tv rip was uploaded on nyaa before the HS CR rip
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romagia said:
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I don't get what you're trying to say. If you download raw episodes on nyaa, I'm pretty sure they are ripped directly from Japanese TV, not from crunchyroll.
he was talking about the kissanime, other stream sites, and horriblesubs torrents and their derivates
interestingly, Ohys-Raws' tv rip was uploaded on nyaa before the HS CR rip

That was the point I was trying to make. Not everything comes exclusively from crunchyroll, hence you can find good quality of currently airing shows.
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@AdoSama whoa thats really interesting 0o
i assume it works better than hola?
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I guess it's just temporary problems or something. Nothing to make a fuss about yet. Just report it.

I'd personally prefer if I could buy anime episodes like I buy games on Steam. It's easy to use and the money isn't split between all the stuff I don't want to watch. And I consider digital download a nicer option than streams and disks.
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It's not a loss for me since i don't really care about it. Very interesting indeed though.
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Oxalias said:
I always use kissanime so i'm good, but people that actually pay to watch anime are splashing out
Hate to break it to you, but Kiss and other illegal streaming sites just re-encode rips of CR/Funi streams (for any modern/recent series), so you were already getting worse quality than CR even before this reduction. And given that that worse quality hasn't hurt the popularity of Kiss and other bootleg streaming sites at all, it's clear that most viewers don't care that much about bitrate/video quality in the first place. Unless it serves as a cudgel for the anti-industry crowd, anyway.

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I love Crunchyroll and it's a great thing and all, but they need to start improving, from their site design to ditching flash out for HTML5 to their mobile app, or they will start loosing subscribers :v
Blame the Japanese licensors for Flash.



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I'd personally prefer if I could buy anime episodes like I buy games on Steam. It's easy to use and the money isn't split between all the stuff I don't want to watch. And I consider digital download a nicer option than streams and disks.
Paid downloads aren't going to be an overall solution when hardly anybody even wants to download anime episodes for free anymore. As for money-splitting, that's been addressed:



Though really, any money spent on entertainment has some element of "splitting with other stuff," as the revenue from big hits is what cross-subsidizes lesser titles that don't sell as well.
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If they do that and stick to it(let's say they do it after all) I'd just switch to watching BD/BDrips even if it means giving up on watching seasonal stuff. Nothing speaks better to companies than your wallet.
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Hmm, that so eh?

I dunno, so far when I see them HS rips my eyes don't really perceive much of a difference really. Maybe for some shows yeah, but so far nothin.

In any case, all I ever care about is that there's even access to shows to begin with. Anything else is just a bonus.

Yeap, ain't nothin tuh fret too much about. Just watch the corporate fireworks n move along.
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Kuromii said:
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Lol Crunchyroll wtf? Oh well, I'm Torrent Master Race™, so it's not a problem.

Mate you get that this means HorribleSubs' rips became shittier too, right?

Anyway, it seems HS have managed to get the higher bitrate releases back now. People on nyaa were going fucking tits about this last night. This is why bluray groups are so important :^)
I torrent Blu-ray rips so it doesn't matter :D
Mar 12, 2017 9:31 AM

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And i was thinking the wordt thing about crunchyroll were they awfull anime awards
No they have to fuck up even my shitty pirate sources
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I don't subscribe to Crunchyroll anymore, but apparently it wasn't intentional and has been fixed.

Still, kinda scary for a moment. This would affect even some of the pirates.
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The time for "fansub" encoders to shine... xD
Get 'em good!

Ehhh... Either way, meaning,

OLD CR video quality| NEW CR video quality
1080p|720p-ish
720p|480p-ish
480p| 240p-ish

GG streaming sites who also uses watermarks to further reduce the stuff in the series... xD

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HAHAHAHA!

Looks like Crunchyroll wants to bring that terrible Japanese birthrate to America!


unfortunately i have to say that doesn't sound like a bad idea >.>


Mass migration of what?! tsundere maids?! I'm in~

@Lord_Sithis Well, BDrips are the way to go...
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Miles, the guy on Crunchyroll's team who literally searches for people who post "KissAnime" on Twitter and scold them for using an evil pirate site, has been handling this all wrong and making Crunchyroll look worse. Instead of focusing on the actual issue for people who are paying for the service, he takes another opportunity to attack people who watch rips from CR's server, claiming "that's just how the rip looks lol."

He got hit with proof that the quality was shit coming from CR and just froze like a deer in headlights.
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This whole thread is a conspiracy theory

It was a technical issue that's already been solved

I don't know what I expected from MAL, but I think you guys just hit rock bottom
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Off topic but when I first read this, I read 'Crunchyroll has reduced birthrate by 40-70%'



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Miles, the guy on Crunchyroll's team who literally searches for people who post "KissAnime" on Twitter and scold them for using an evil pirate site, has been handling this all wrong and making Crunchyroll look worse. Instead of focusing on the actual issue for people who are paying for the service, he takes another opportunity to attack people who watch rips from CR's server, claiming "that's just how the rip looks lol."

Rips from CR usually look worse, though. Is he a bad person for making a logical assumption?

Also, it takes some real guts to try and make Miles look bad because he tells people to stop stealing his site's content.
Inb4 "IT'S NOT STEALING"
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CatSoul said:
Miles, the guy on Crunchyroll's team who literally searches for people who post "KissAnime" on Twitter and scold them for using an evil pirate site, has been handling this all wrong and making Crunchyroll look worse. Instead of focusing on the actual issue for people who are paying for the service, he takes another opportunity to attack people who watch rips from CR's server, claiming "that's just how the rip looks lol."

Rips from CR usually look worse, though. Is he a bad person for making a logical assumption?

Also, it takes some real guts to try and make Miles look bad because he tells people to stop stealing his site's content.
Inb4 "IT'S NOT STEALING"


I'm not trying to make Miles look bad for telling people not to steal his content. It is a bit bizarre that he goes out of his way to search the word "KissAnime" and attack everyone who uses it though.

The rips that were coming from CR showed a very obvious problem also coming from CR, yet his first reaction was "haha fake news that's just a pirate rip piracy bad".
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I'm not trying to make Miles look bad for telling people not to steal his content. It is a bit bizarre that he goes out of his way to search the word "KissAnime" and attack everyone who uses it though.

Your feelings don't have the right to be protected from legitimate criticism, or "attacks", if you want to call them that

The rips that were coming from CR showed a very obvious problem also coming from CR, yet his first reaction was "haha fake news that's just a pirate rip piracy bad".

Are you dense? I just explained to you that CR rips usually have lower quality than the original stream, of course you would think the same thing if you were in his position.

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