Lollo36 said: But the "CR rips" from Horriblesubs are CR's streams, just with different subtitle styling and packaged as downloadable streams. They don't change anything about the video or audio quality or encoding. Thus, analyzing the specs of HS files gives us the specs of the streams from CR, or whoever HS happens to be ripping from. It's only when HS/CR files get re-encoded by bootleg streaming sites (or other re-encoders like BakedFish that distribute downloadable .mp4s) that the quality decreases below whatever it was on CR. Dismissing evidence from episode-to-episode HS comparisons simply because they're from a non-legal source is awfully reminiscent of a certain government trying to discredit unfavorable information as simultaneously being illegal leaks and fake news.The rips that were coming from CR showed a very obvious problem also coming from CR, yet his first reaction was "haha fake news that's just a pirate rip piracy bad". Are you dense? I just explained to you that CR rips usually have lower quality than the original stream, of course you would think the same thing if you were in his position. |
ZalisMar 12, 2017 6:38 PM
GangsterCat said: AdoSama said: wut opera has their own VPN? didn't know that, ive been using Opera for who knows how many yearsYes, Opera has a built in free and unlimited VPN. Currently it only has Canada, USA, Germany, Netherlands, Singapore. They also have a mobile VPN app. Both work really well for most of the time streaming 1080p, but sometimes it gets a bit slow then I need to drop to 720p :v but hey it's free lol Yeah, but opera only introduced this feature like in the second half of 2016. It wasn't there before that. Also, it's a little different from VPNs like Ivacy, Nord and others in the sense that Opera is more of a Proxy and that means it can change the IP but it won't encrypt the data. About CrunchyRoll cutting down on streaming quality. I got a 40" TV and stream stuff over CR using my PS usually but you can see the pixels on a low quality stream, and it's kinda big turnoff. |
| I was planning on cancelling my sub to crunchy and I think this is gonna make me do it. |
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| That much? Dang. I could understand if it was a 10 or 20 percent quality drop, but 40 percent? That's a pretty greedy and excessive cut. Now I know why I don't use Crunchyroll. Here's hoping that fansubs and blu-rays maintain their quality. |
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InsaneLeader13 said: That much? Dang. I could understand if it was a 10 or 20 percent quality drop, but 40 percent? That's a pretty greedy and excessive cut. Now I know why I don't use Crunchyroll. Here's hoping that fansubs and blu-rays maintain their quality. But I heard that it was an error that has been fixed at this moment. Although I still have issues with its flash, but that could be just my Computer. |
Bourmegar said: InsaneLeader13 said: That much? Dang. I could understand if it was a 10 or 20 percent quality drop, but 40 percent? That's a pretty greedy and excessive cut. Now I know why I don't use Crunchyroll. Here's hoping that fansubs and blu-rays maintain their quality. But I heard that it was an error that has been fixed at this moment. Although I still have issues with its flash, but that could be just my Computer. Yeah, seems like I spoke too soon. At least it was a temporary thing. |
| "I'd take rampant lesbianism over nuclear armageddon or a supervolcano any day." ~nikiforova |
| Worst case, you'd just have to extract the subs and download raws to watch it in better quality. At least CR rips have soft subs, I think Funimation is the one with hardsubs that can't be ripped, and their video quality is usually pretty bad. |
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InsaneLeader13 said: Bourmegar said: But I heard that it was an error that has been fixed at this moment. Although I still have issues with its flash, but that could be just my Computer. Yeah, seems like I spoke too soon. At least it was a temporary thing. at least it yh. still the best Quality always comes from Original Blurays. |
Aquamirror said: of course it's intentional and it's just damage control lolLollo36 said: This whole thread is a conspiracy theory It was a technical issue that's already been solved I don't know what I expected from MAL, but I think you guys just hit rock bottom How does one make such a "technical issue"? Lol Damage control full force. Lollo36 said: Listen buddy, you can watch anime however you want, but you sure as hell aren't entitled to feeling good about pirating it, and trust me, no amount of mental gymnastics is going to get you on the moral high ground, in this discussion. Message me again when your fragile ego can actually admit that you're doing something bad, which hurts others while benefitting only yourself. Moral is for the weak. Thanks for paying for my entertainment buddy, it benefits everyone. :) And quality of rips between other sites and cuntyroll is exactly the same. https://medium.com/@Daiz/crunchyrolls-reduced-video-quality-is-deliberate-cost-cutting-at-the-expense-of-paying-customers-c86c6899033b#.47aiedijm |
GangsterCatMar 13, 2017 12:51 PM
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Lollo36 said: Are you dense? I just explained to you that CR rips usually have lower quality than the original stream, of course you would think the same thing if you were in his position. It is you who is dense and uninformed. HS rips ARE the video from CR. If the HR looks bad it's only because the CR looks bad. It's a direct copy and everyone knows this. |
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| You might as well use good old YouTube if you're going to get poor video quality, or Viewster and Anime Network, they have plenty of good series on those sites, ( I stream those On Demand or a DVD app, but they have online websites.) I never did mess with Crunchyroll. They probably have a shitload of users that use up a lot of bandwidth, so they need to reduce the video quality bitrate. |
PeppermintHearts said: They probably have a shitload of users that use up a lot of bandwidth, so they need to reduce the video quality bitrate. No, they need to put that money into use and upgrade their infrastructure instead of deceiving their customers. |
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| Is the CR forums on fire with this issue? |
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| I actually did some research on the issue, and I have to take back my previous statement. Crunchy is purposefully reducing the bitrate to cut costs, and when they "fixed" the issue, they actually just adjusted the bitrates for the latest episodes of each airing series, in its first few days after airing. Then, once most people have watched it, they revert the episode back to the shitty bitrate. That is moronic. This way, HS/Kissanime rips get the better quality because they steal the episode right after it comes out, while paying customers who watch episodes 2+ days after they air get shafted. The backlash is totally deserved. |
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Erebus25 said: you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR there's tv rips, in which the quality is basically the same as those aired in Japan. i don't use kissanime, but i expect they use a variety of sources, not just CR. there's also bd-rips, which is better than tv-rips or CR-rips. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
| CR taking some inspiration from Toei, get the market up and own it then lower the quality since they will watch it anyways XD |
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| You can't steal digital content. I would have never payed anyway, so blaming me for Cunty's quality loss is funny. Shitty company seeking excuses by blaming "the bad guys" while fucking over their own customers.. and they buy it. XD Kissanime does nothing to the videos, what is ripped stays exactly the same. There are numerous alternative hosts and you can always download the videos and play them locally. |
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Lollo36 said: You were an accomplice in making them resort to cutting costs, because you stole their content instead of paying for it. i'm not going to argue about morality, but saying that CR had no choice but to lower the quality due to sheer operational costs makes zero sense considering: 1) they achieved over 1 million subscribers http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/02/09-1/crunchyroll-surpasses-over-one-million-paid-subscribers-details-daily-giveaways-to-celebrate , which means they earn at least around 70 million dollars a year (actually more, considering some users are premium plus, and they also get money from selling merchandise, and also a cut from the ad revenue) 2) they hosted a "million subscriber event", with monetary reward + ticket to Japan for the winner, as well as a planned expo event, which is not cheap to host over 70 million dollars and they can't afford better servers and stream anime with quality expected of a premium service. edit: $6.95 / month * 12 months = $83.4 / year 1 million subs = 1 million * $83.4 / year = $83.4 million / year of course, part of that money goes to anime companies to license, but CR still retain a sizeable portion. |
DreamingBeatsMar 14, 2017 9:43 AM
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
Aquamirror said: You can't steal digital content. I would have never payed anyway, so blaming me for Cunty's quality loss is funny. "IT'S NOT STEALING!!!!!!!!!!!111111111" I'll post this thing from another thread "Pirating anime that you have no legal access to is acceptable Pirating anime that are on platforms that you won't use often (Amazon Prime, Netflix) is... tolerable Pirating anime that's on Crunchyroll is unexcusable. Not only are you depriving the original publisher and creators of the share they get from Crunchy, you're also saying that the sub team doesn't deserve to get paid for its job, as 99% of illegal rips use official subs now. You're not telling the Jap companies what you want to support (Crunchy has a sistem in which your sub fee is split based on the percentage of time you spend watching each show). You're allowing the ones who upload rips of official streams to profit off of stolen work, through unsafe ads. You're incentivizing them to keep doing it and you're helping them get more popular in any means of online search. The funniest thing is, you're doing it even though Crunchyroll releases everything for free 1 week after it was originally uploaded, so you can't even excuse it with your lack of income, because if that were the case, you could still pick the moral option of deciding to fall behind on shows instead of watching them illegally as they come out." Saying that you would never have paid doesn't change the issue, which is the fact that you're saying "morality is for the weak", excusing your behavior, while being morally upright about Crunchy's bullshit. That's a blatant double standard that's meant to justify your position as a somewhat good person, by characterizing Crunchy as villains and you as the rational consumer that did nothing wrong. In reality, Crunchy screwed over its customers, while you've been screwing over us, Crunchy and the industry at large, all this time. Shitty company seeking excuses by blaming "the bad guys" while fucking over their own customers.. and they buy it. XD I already said a few posts back that Crunchy deserves the backlash. That doesn't stop me from blaming your shitty behavior. Kissanime does nothing to the videos, what is ripped stays exactly the same. You can even download the videos and play them locally. Oh, For fuck's sake. This is the Crunchy 720p stream This is the Kissanime 720p stream you can see that the first one's lines are sharper and the colors/lighting looks much better |
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DreamingBeats said: Lollo36 said: You were an accomplice in making them resort to cutting costs, because you stole their content instead of paying for it. i'm not going to argue about morality, but saying that CR had no choice but to lower the quality due to sheer operational costs makes zero sense That's not what I claimed. I'll quote myself: The backlash is totally deserved. But aquamirror has no business in this backlash because he factually made things worse for the company in question. Crunchy and him can be in the wrong at the same time. |
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| In the grand scheme, Japan earns jackshit from Cunty. But you should feel good by "supporting the industry". XDDDDD Adblocked kissanime wouldn't earn jackshit from me either, not like I care who gets the money anyway. I want to watch anime, I watch anime. I don't wait fucking week to get an old episode... with shitty quality. :D Cunty offers near nothing in some regions, so their service is completely unusable. Again, nothing is stolen and I'm not screwing anyone, when I would have never payed for such a thing. If piracy didn't exist nobody would even know anime is alive. |
AquamirrorMar 14, 2017 10:20 AM
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Aquamirror said: In the grand scheme, Japan earns jackshit from Cunty. But you should feel good by "supporting the industry". XDDDDD Japan earns at the very least 2.5 million dollars per month from Crunchy. That's without counting the revenue for the higher-tier premium subscriptions, or the fact that Crunchy is sitting at the production committee/contributing to financing every single Kadokawa anime, along with many others, like Kiznaiver, Luluco etc. Adblocked kissanime wouldn't earn jackshit from me either, not like I care who gets the money anyway. I want to watch anime, I watch anime. I don't wait fucking week to get an old episode... with shitty quality. :D Cunty offers near nothing in some regions, so their service is completely unusable. Yeah, I don't blame people for pirating region locked shows, as I said in my previous post, but using kissanime does end up popularizing it in google search and the like. And I don't know why you think that by being assertive about it, you think that you somehow justify your douchey attitude towards legality. You don't care, you don't want to wait, I get it, but not caring is still morally wrong. And let's make this clear, if you say you don't care about morality, you don't get to care or complain about anything ever, unless you want to be a blatant hypocrite. Again, nothing is stolen and I'm not screwing anyone, when I would have never payed for such a thing. If piracy didn't exist nobody would even know anime is alive. I don't know if you really think that saying "I would have never paid for it" is a valid excuse. IT'S 5 DOLLARS PER MONTH. 5. DOLLARS. If you don't pay, it's because you don't give a shit about doing the right thing. Regarding your second point, piracy is a good resource when you have no alternatives, which was the case back in the 2000s. Now it's not excusable, unless you're getting region-locked. Also, anime was popularized by TV in the west, way before the advent of the internet. About that screenshot, give me anime name with ep and timestamp. :^) Mob Psycho ep 1 00:15 |
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| Who gives a shit about google search? If you want to watch it legally you should already know the ways. I don't care, really, if you want to pay for anime, do it. I can still look from the back and laugh how monopolistic companies screw you over. 5 dollars/month is still 5 dollars/month too much. With millions subscribers, Cunty continues their shit service. Why should I pay some shady company when I can get the same thing for free? If I really want to support the creators that much, I can buy that specific anime/source directly from them. I'm sure Japan would get fuckload rich from those 5 dollars. XD And the internet is the reason the popularity is so big in this moment. TVs mostly offered kids shows, I doubt many people cared about retail releases. |
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| I gotta say, it feels real good not to be a Crunchytroll subscriber |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
DreamingBeats said: Erebus25 said: you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR there's tv rips, in which the quality is basically the same as those aired in Japan. i don't use kissanime, but i expect they use a variety of sources, not just CR. there's also bd-rips, which is better than tv-rips or CR-rips. thats the thing, streaming site dont use anything, they just link stuff from fansubber the biggest fansub group is HS, and they get their stuff from CR real bd-rips come way after initial episode releases |
Comic_Sans said: yeah, a lot of people with moral high ground who demonize non subscriber and feeling good about themselves for "supporting industry" even though they did jackshit besides funding scam company lolI gotta say, it feels real good not to be a Crunchytroll subscriber there is 0 reason to subscribe crunchyroll if you are not murican. and even if you are murican, there is 0 reason to subscribe crunchyroll besides awnting to feel good about yourself. that's it. congrats, you got scamaz. |
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| I've been thinking of starting to just out right buy anime from viz/sentai/funi when I find something I adore. I could just stop paying for crunchy and buy a volume a month or some sht. Might be worth it... |
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GangsterCat said: Oxalias said: no it means our pirate quality become lower as well since horriblesubs is ripping junkrollsI always use kissanime so i'm good, but people that actually pay to watch anime are splashing out The day the shows are released are still in HD quality, and pages like kissanime are ripping these videos. They can watch the HQ show for free whenever they want while CR users pay for less after the day of release. I call that outrageous bullshit. |
DreamingBeats said: I've gone in and looked at their "original source file" listings for the new shows in a given season, and nearly all of them list [HorribleSubs], rather than HDTV encodes by fan editing groups. Granted, HS does sometimes use Funimation or other places if CR isn't available, but it's usually CR.i don't use kissanime, but i expect they use a variety of sources, not just CR. Aquamirror said: So how do they get that KissAnime watermark in the upper left corner? Magic? Unless you're saying that CR's original videos have that watermark. Not to mention the fact that Kiss turns softsubs from CR/HS into hardcoded subs for their player.Kissanime does nothing to the videos, what is ripped stays exactly the same. There are numerous alternative hosts and you can always download the videos and play them locally. Cirno9 said: Except that Kiss and other bootleg streaming sites re-encode the videos they rip at lower quality to add watermarks and hardcode subtitles, as mentioned above. So now bootleg streaming viewers are getting roughly the same quality as legitimate viewers, not better. The only people getting higher quality (after that 24-48-hour window) are the ones downloading the HQ stream-rips from HS or HDTV encodes from fan-editing groups. And if CR goes the route of eliminating that initial HQ version entirely, then the versions at Kiss et al will get even worse, since they'll be LQ re-encodes of LQ sources. The day the shows are released are still in HD quality, and pages like kissanime are ripping these videos. They can watch the HQ show for free whenever they want while CR users pay for less after the day of release. I call that outrageous bullshit. |
ZalisMar 14, 2017 1:42 PM
| Just read, the article daiz made about it, quite informative: [url] https://medium.com/@Daiz/crunchyrolls-reduced-video-quality-is-deliberate-cost-cutting-at-the-expense-of-paying-customers-c86c6899033b#.kffivvros [/url] |
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| CR is a garbage site anyways. Why would I pay for such a small selection of anime? They focus too much on seasonal shit and for a lot of shows, they don't even bother to post all of it. KA is better in almost every way. I don't care about "morals" The studios aren't going to see any of that money you spend on a subscription. |
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Thread cleaned Sorry for the long down time. I removed a bunch of off-topic chatter and flaming. Please remain civil and stay on topic when discussing this matter. The topic is CR reducing the bitrate, not the morality of piracy. |
| Whether Crunchyroll did this to save costs or it was a genuine mistake is of little concern to me, but I think this prompts a thought that's been on my mind for a while that I think needs to be expressed. It's very simple: I feel like people forget that the artistic merits of a work exist regardless of whether or not you are experiencing it in its most "beautiful" superficial format. Horowitz, Rachmaninoff, Solomon, Hess, Fischer, Serkin, Schnabel, do not suddenly become bad pianists because their recordings are old and sometimes difficult to discern. A Beethoven piece performed by Cobra is not better than one performed by Mavrinsky simply because Cobra has the luxury of 21st century recording technology. Likewise, you do not need to read a book with freshly printed pages to appreciate what is in the book. You do not need to have the best video quality to appreciate films in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Are they preferable? I guess, but I would never complain that I enjoyed a book less because it had yellowed pages or dog ears. Long story short, the artistic merits of an anime should be discernible even if the quality of the presentation from a superficial level is not up to 21st century technological standards. I've never understood why people obsess over needing to watch these shows in 1080p. I'd understand if we were watching visual spectacles of the highest order, where something, let's just say a Makoto Shinkai film (whatever you may think of them), are probably best experienced in the highest quality you can find. But run of the mill standard TV shows, I simply do not understand the need to watch them in the highest quality. Even in the cases of a Makoto Shinkai film, I would strongly argue that any true appreciation of Shinkai's artistic merits should disregard the format in which you watched it. I'll grant that if something is technologically achievable, it's fair to critique it on those grounds from a business/practical perspective, but what I'm seeing is less an argument of accessibility and more that somehow an anime is a lesser experience should you experience it in a quality that is less than the best. I firmly disagree with that notion. edit: Also Lollo's thoughts on internet piracy are basically 100% correct and anybody who disagrees with him is 100% wrong. |
YudinaMar 16, 2017 6:32 PM
| @Yudina As a CR member I don't even care what quality my anime is in as long as it's not complete 240p shit, and my internet can't handle videos at 1080p anyway. At the same time, CR premium members are paying them for the advertised 1080p anime, so they should be getting 1080p anime. Whether it's "needed" or not is irrelevant, they're giving them money for HQ anime and CR needs to fulfill it. I know they released some post saying it'll be fixed or whatever, but I found it really interesting when I saw "(...) which will no longer use the lower quality encodes after any amount of time..." So basically they've been changing the quality after like a day or two but it's only now coming to light because they fucked up lol. I'll still keep my subscription since I enjoy the convenience (and other people use my account since I barely use it anyway), but that's just straight shit they've been doing. |
| @Yudina So we should watch in 144p ? Everyone wins! XD Although I kinda agree, Kimi no Na wa was completely watchable in 480p, but the real problem here is the company fucking over their customers for no reason at all without even announcing anything beforehand. edit: Also Lollo's thoughts on internet piracy are basically 100% correct and anybody who disagrees with him is 100% wrong. Being wrong isn't always bad. :^) |
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| Meh, I don't even into CR because the only things they have such a limited selection where I'm at. I feel like I probably have access to 1/5 of the total stuff they air per season, so this is all the more reason to just not give a fuck about using their platform. |
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Erebus25 said: you do realize that everything you watch on kissanime, or other stream sites, or the torrents you download, come from CR here is a response thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/ Yeah because illegal anime streaming totally didn't exist before crunchyroll. |
martiooo said: I use Crunchyroll for airing anime, but if there's a show they don't have I usually torrent. They've got the best quality, subtitles, in-picture translations, etc. For example Future Diary or SAO, they've got in-picture translations on torrents that make them look much, much cleaner than the overlayed text on Crunchyroll or FunimationNow respectively. I get the choice between sub and dub, and 1080p content mostly. If Crunchyroll could merge with Funimation that would be a start, but I'd still like to see better in-picture translations for content, and more dubs as well. Like Kill la Kill. And more content overall. I like legit streaming also for watching through PS4 on a big screen. It's really convenient, but they could do a whole lot better. They already did merge....well kinda https://vrv.co/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=SEM&utm_campaign=VRVbrand |
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