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| Boring episode. That last scene though. |
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| Finally he reveals the piece of the magic stone he has to Izetta |
| It was a pretty solid episode. That first charging scene was brilliant, that OST to go with it was enjoyable. Some discussion on what Germania next move is not bad. Sophia is a bit generic though I don't see any reason to hate her or like her(outside of her character design) The last scene was expected. She is going to get a power boost and win yadadada though much better executed than previous cliches that I actually don't mind at all. |
zcv45Dec 3, 2016 1:44 PM
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FlareKnight said: ichii_1 said: Izetta is rescued thanks to the suicide plane fighters :'( Fine is fine too but Fine doesn't want izetta to hurt herself anymore. London is rekt and now a nuke is being prepared by germania. Berkman is too godd for his own good and sophie clones are already being farmed. If only the actual Hitler was this smart.  I wonder if people watching this show would read a history book and think WW2 had bad writing :)? This guy is doing a much better job than Hitler ever did in handling a war of this scale. Pressure the western side of Europe, work to get them to give up, and then focus on Russia. Sure he has some nice tools Hitler never had, but he's doing it a lot better regardless. I'm not sure what anyone on his side has to complain about right now. They are winning spectacularly and even after Sophie dies they've got such a commanding edge over the rest of the world that...they really could take it over. Well Hitler did pressure Britain to make peace(which is more likely than surrendering) after fall of France. Britain was pretty adamant on not giving up. Hitler's invasion plan on Britain would of never worked. In fact unless there is some really genius plan, I doubt Germany could of ever done Britain in. Maybe starve them with a massive U-boat campaign? but that was very unlikely since Germany didn't produce enough U-boats and the British had a lot in developing counter-measures as evidence in the later years. Hitler had nothing to pressure the West with outside of taking over mainland Europe. Germania in the series have a magical nuke and science more advanced than modern day in terms of biology. Aerospace technology is at least 5 years more advanced due to use of V1s and many more advantages Only when battle of Britain failed did Hitler shift his attention to the Soviet Union. It wasn't much of a two front war if you exclude North Africa since Mainland Europe is pretty much secured. It was plenty reasonable to shift focus since Britain and shown they won't give up. He isn't anymore skilled than Hitler was in really anything(at least he isn't shown to be) he simply has the assets to win. We all know he is going to lose though which puts him on a potentially even worse spot than Hitler's failure :/ |
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FlareKnight said: That's exactly what I was thinking while watching this episode. Proper use of V1 rockets against Eylstadt, then used them in great numbers (and imbued with magic) to bring terror to Londonium. Proper plans for the war - defeat allies first, then Volga Federation and finally United States of Atalanta. And then Germania will rule the world :-)I wonder if people watching this show would read a history book and think WW2 had bad writing :)? This guy is doing a much better job than Hitler ever did in handling a war of this scale. Pressure the western side of Europe, work to get them to give up, and then focus on Russia. Sure he has some nice tools Hitler never had, but he's doing it a lot better regardless. I'm not sure what anyone on his side has to complain about right now. They are winning spectacularly and even after Sophie dies they've got such a commanding edge over the rest of the world that...they really could take it over. Speaking about weapons, are Germanians creating a magic-equivalent of nuclear weapon ?  |
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| the guys who did is had a massive Boner for German military equipment. They've even brought in the VI which was basically the worlds first missile. Operation Sealion (Hitler's planned invasion of Great Britain in 1940) would surely have been easier with a witch on his side. |
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mozgow said: FlareKnight said: That's exactly what I was thinking while watching this episode. Proper use of V1 rockets against Eylstadt, then used them in great numbers (and imbued with magic) to bring terror to Londonium. Proper plans for the war - defeat allies first, then Volga Federation and finally United States of Atalanta. And then Germania will rule the world :-)I wonder if people watching this show would read a history book and think WW2 had bad writing :)? This guy is doing a much better job than Hitler ever did in handling a war of this scale. Pressure the western side of Europe, work to get them to give up, and then focus on Russia. Sure he has some nice tools Hitler never had, but he's doing it a lot better regardless. I'm not sure what anyone on his side has to complain about right now. They are winning spectacularly and even after Sophie dies they've got such a commanding edge over the rest of the world that...they really could take it over. Speaking about weapons, are Germanians creating a magic-equivalent of nuclear weapon ? I was thinknh also the same , I think we have more Clever And handsome hitter this time :), I read somewhere that Germany was working on atomic bomb too but they didn't finish it. I can't get why people complaining I know that this show has some problems but not that bad I'm enjoying it so far. |
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| So many clones. That doesn't look good.... Considering the ending, I guess the possibility of a happy ending just grew. Not that I mind though, but I can see why some people would consider it an asspull. Maybe they'll explain. Solid episode in my opinion. |
ReverberateDec 3, 2016 3:57 PM
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| I'm so glad that this show is finally starting to show Sophie's weakness. I knew her poorly made clone-body wouldn't last. Now here's to hoping that she just dies before she can do anything. Still, I feel like it's a little too late to be bringing out that other magic stone. Sophie already won the first fight, and the Germanian empire's milked that win. If Izetta uses that now, she won't be evenly matched, since Sophie has superior technology after all this time. I'm still baffled at Sophie's original logic: Izetta is a traitor for meddling in human war with magic. Sophie kinda had an excuse last time for fighting Izetta, but now she has no excuse, so she's a traitor too. She's obliterating other forces and directly affecting war. She's still as much a traitor as she was ages ago, in that same logic. Where's her self-hate and esteem issues? Where's her emotional problems that'll make her crumble because she's unstable? |
ichii_1 said: Izetta is rescued thanks to the suicide plane fighters :'( The Vergeltungswaffe 1, or "V-1" for short, existed for real. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb |
| I guess it's clear who the BestGrill is, Sophie is way more fun to watch than Izetta. I was enjoying this animu less and less each episode, but Sophie at least made my enjoyment stop going down. She's interesting. |
| Male advisor (Muller) giving Izetta the Red Stone with those shifty eyes tells us it's not good. Judging from his character tropes, the stone probably has disastrous side effects for Izetta (e.g. Why Sophie was dying, though that mightve just been because she's a clone). Poor Berkman, pisses off the King by doing his job too well. Maybe he'll join the team? :) According to the captain, he's going to die in half a year anyway. |
| This episode was just really sad overall. At the very least I'm glad Rosetta and finé are both alright (my OTP of the season shall live on!) seeing that Rosetta got the other half of the stone can only mean one thing. All out witch brawl. YEAHHHHH!!!! |
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Nicromatic said: Male advisor (Muller) giving Izetta the Red Stone with those shifty eyes tells us it's not good. Judging from his character tropes, the stone probably has disastrous side effects for Izetta (e.g. Why Sophie was dying, though that mightve just been because she's a clone). Poor Berkman, pisses off the King by doing his job too well. Maybe he'll join the team? :) According to the captain, he's going to die in half a year anyway. Well they did say at the beginning of the episode that the stone drains away the witch life force, hence why it's forbidden. |
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| So Germany attacks London. They're in full form with Sophie on their side. Berkman has been discarded and now Otto will handle things himself. He has proposed a deal with the allies which is obviously favoring the Germans only. And Otto plans on going for Russia and then the world. The Muller family was involved in the Witch's killing. They sold her out. Muller has some info Izetta doesn't have. And since Izetta wants to do something for Finè, she is willing to use the magic stone, which isn't going to end well. The stone drains the witch's life and in turn grants power in places where there's no magic by draining nearby places. If the last seconds of the opening sequence is anything to go by with, I'm seeing a bittersweet ending. Finè and her country might live but Izetta may not. It's going to be a battle between two witches with half a magic stone each. It's gonna be super tough for Izetta. |
| I smell a tragic ending here, but I have to raise my hope and prepare for the worst |
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| Sieg revelation wasn't that surprising. They will have a hope now, the other half of the stone was in the hands of Sieg. |
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Nicromatic said: Poor Berkman, pisses off the King by doing his job too well. Maybe he'll join the team? :) I really hope he does join the team. |
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Farabeuf said: I think Germania might have already tested V2 and will use it with this new weapon.the guys who did is had a massive Boner for German military equipment. They've even brought in the VI which was basically the worlds first missile. Operation Sealion (Hitler's planned invasion of Great Britain in 1940) would surely have been easier with a witch on his side. |
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| Does Izetta want to sacrifice her life for Fine and Elystadt? Things are grim. And it seems Izetta will fight to the death. |
| the new witch is just savage and they are mass producing bodies for her jesus they are not kidding around |
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| You know what they say, the calm before the storm. This is gonna be the final battle. Should be interesting to see who may die soon. |
| ....you people.... THE STONE SUCKS LIFE FORCE, HENCE THE 3 DAYS FOR CLONE TO LIVE, CLONE FARM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS... our boy Sieg Muller is so bloody depressed right now, he messed so many things up, knows that his family is a huge cause of this, and now is giving Izetta the stone which will make archduchess cry depending on if she dies, or has near death but happy ending experience. Atlanta, where are you? they should be coming soon and then two front war hype. wonder what the power of the completed stone is. |
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| So Whitey was fueled by Izettas blood afterall. Well, the ending is pretty obvious now, Izetta will kill off Whitey and then die. |
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| I don't understand. What's Berkman's situation? is he going to get killed or something because he did his job too well? lol |
Guranto-kun said: I don't understand. What's Berkman's situation? is he going to get killed or something because he did his job too well? lol The Emperor is probably trying to get rid off everbody who can be a threat in the widest sense, e.g. people who are too clever. |
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TrashDax said: Guranto-kun said: I don't understand. What's Berkman's situation? is he going to get killed or something because he did his job too well? lol The Emperor is probably trying to get rid off everbody who can be a threat in the widest sense, e.g. people who are too clever. Ah, I see, thanks. It makes sense tho and that kind of thing really happens in reality. Once they sees you as a threat they will "eliminate" you and there you go, bye bye lol |
| Oh hey, I guess the Soviets will finally appear. |
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zcv45 said: FlareKnight said: I wonder if people watching this show would read a history book and think WW2 had bad writing :)? This guy is doing a much better job than Hitler ever did in handling a war of this scale. Pressure the western side of Europe, work to get them to give up, and then focus on Russia. Sure he has some nice tools Hitler never had, but he's doing it a lot better regardless. I'm not sure what anyone on his side has to complain about right now. They are winning spectacularly and even after Sophie dies they've got such a commanding edge over the rest of the world that...they really could take it over. Well Hitler did pressure Britain to make peace(which is more likely than surrendering) after fall of France. Britain was pretty adamant on not giving up. Hitler's invasion plan on Britain would of never worked. In fact unless there is some really genius plan, I doubt Germany could of ever done Britain in. Maybe starve them with a massive U-boat campaign? but that was very unlikely since Germany didn't produce enough U-boats and the British had a lot in developing counter-measures as evidence in the later years. Hitler had nothing to pressure the West with outside of taking over mainland Europe. Germania in the series have a magical nuke and science more advanced than modern day in terms of biology. Aerospace technology is at least 5 years more advanced due to use of V1s and many more advantages Only when battle of Britain failed did Hitler shift his attention to the Soviet Union. It wasn't much of a two front war if you exclude North Africa since Mainland Europe is pretty much secured. It was plenty reasonable to shift focus since Britain and shown they won't give up. He isn't anymore skilled than Hitler was in really anything(at least he isn't shown to be) he simply has the assets to win. We all know he is going to lose though which puts him on a potentially even worse spot than Hitler's failure :/ It is expected from people in MAL to think this NotHitler is better than Hitler. I know not anyone is into history but if you are watching an anime that is based on WWII then you should know something about it more than reading propaganda and oversimplified stuff they teach in school. German had to face serious problem with resources and materials very early in the war. Their intelligent agency was a failure and got led around by UK. NotGerman do not seem to suffer from these things at all and somehow got a lot of great toys that can turn the tide of battles with few loses. |
1idd0kun said: voice_enable said: Am I the only one who thinks Izetta is in an emotionally abusive relationship? No one is trying to abuse her. The problem is herself. She has so little self-esteem and worships Fine so much that she has centered her whole life around the princess. I was hoping she would grow out from this. I thought she would get more self-assured and would eventually stop defining her life around Fine so much. But now it's clear the staff were never interested in developing her character. Izetta was basically a hobo girl who would've been killed like a dog if it wasnt for Fine. Its not surprising for her to be so dedicated. Its all in the name of luuuurrve.. |
| Is it just me, or does Sophie look like Mao (Code Geass)? mozgow said: Well, there were a million more factors in play during the WW's that most people would have no knowledge of, which acted as force constraints. I'm pretty familiar with working with extremely sophisticated tactics/strategy, and this series is not that spectacular in that regard, though it is quite good.FlareKnight said: That's exactly what I was thinking while watching this episode. Proper use of V1 rockets against Eylstadt, then used them in great numbers (and imbued with magic) to bring terror to Londonium. Proper plans for the war - defeat allies first, then Volga Federation and finally United States of Atalanta. And then Germania will rule the world :-)I wonder if people watching this show would read a history book and think WW2 had bad writing :)? This guy is doing a much better job than Hitler ever did in handling a war of this scale. Pressure the western side of Europe, work to get them to give up, and then focus on Russia. Sure he has some nice tools Hitler never had, but he's doing it a lot better regardless. I'm not sure what anyone on his side has to complain about right now. They are winning spectacularly and even after Sophie dies they've got such a commanding edge over the rest of the world that...they really could take it over. Speaking about weapons, are Germanians creating a magic-equivalent of nuclear weapon ? I'm still wondering when the USSR is going to play a role... At that point in time, everyone was working on a super-bomb, the USA just got to it first; Russians close behind. |
GenesisAriaDec 5, 2016 10:54 AM
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| The thing that shocked me the most this episode was learning Izetta was only 15. |
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| Damm the country has fallen what a sad sight secret passages are a must within a palace lol its nice to see that Fine cares about the lives of her people and her retainers though. This trait of hers i really admire looking forward to the episode where Izetta can wipe that damn smirk off Sophie's face by crushing her Without Izetta who was the cornerstone of their defense the defenses just can't hold nice to see the Royal guard and the regular army spring that ambush though but man that fighter pilot was brave despite knowing that he will die once he reveals himself the air to air battles though was surprisingly good so far we only seen the germanian fighters attacking nice to see them being on the defensive being kind to others will always cause those that you helped to help you back but man those soldiers are brave and seeing the civilians arming themselves as well thats something so that was Lotte's family then eh Sophie really has a attitude problem doesn't she but man Berkman losing his most effective weapon that he helped developed as a reward. Can't see him taking that but with the forbidden stone won't that effect Sophie as well since it drains her life glad that Izetta was able to regain consciousness though its nice that they found that base in the alps this will be their base until they can deal with that witch Its nice to see that Fine is readily admitting her mistakes but the responsibility is not hers alone so thats why Sophie hates Fine's kingdom so much eh because of her ancestor and her actions eh missile launching with magic eh but man thats a lot of missiles that scene though with that many missiles and fighters was well executed so thats why Izetta lost Sophie had drained all the magic from the area beforehand so Sieg's family took part in the persecution of the white witch well it looks like Britannia will fall soon as well mass produced clone bodies eh well if they succeed then the white witch will be truly invincible seeing Izetta like that really makes you sad damn you Sophie Damm thats some tall conditions for peace but as it stands the allies will be forced to accept it its nice to see the story is still following ww2 with the invasion of Russia planned as well though Elliot looks far from pleased here its nice to see that even now Izetta's love and respect for Fine hasn't changed hmm so Sieg had the other half of the magic stone eh now there's a game changer there Great episode as always but seeing Izetta like that and the country fallen really makes you sad. Can't wait to see Izetta beat Sophie and wipe that smirk of her face. |
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tasmanian_otakuDec 5, 2016 5:52 PM
| I like how people are acting like Germany never attacked London in real life... This Hitler is no better than the first one. Is about to go full retard and attack on two fronts just like the original. |
GenesisAria said: I know there were many more factors in play during our WW2 (someone already posted some of them) but it seems there are few (if any) that are still in the play in this version of WW2. Well, there were a million more factors in play during the WW's that most people would have no knowledge of, which acted as force constraints. I'm pretty familiar with working with extremely sophisticated tactics/strategy, and this series is not that spectacular in that regard, though it is quite good. I can't say much about tactics/strategy, as I do not know much about it, but I'm enjoying this aspect of the anime too. GenesisAria said: I doubt there was communists revolution in Russia (or maybe it failed) as it's called Volga Federation, and federation implies voluntariness. Regardless of the origin of this version of Russia, maybe allies will convince them to declare war against Germania?I'm still wondering when the USSR is going to play a role... At that point in time, everyone was working on a super-bomb, the USA just got to it first; Russians close behind. As for the new big-bomb, it seems Germania is the closest one to creating one. |
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| @mozgow I dunno if Russia is expanding in this timeline, but the Reich provoked the USSR (though it was inevitable, they were expanding towards eachother) and got the undesirable attention of the beast. |
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