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| lolwut ending.... A lot of things seems to be going on... Although some parts lack coherence, the overall enthralling setting and artwork made up for it. 9/10 simply because I like it. Although I agree it went downhill and couldn't achieve a 10/10.... |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| The plot is very original and has a lot of potential but I think the staging was bored and mediocre. I didn't like the art and the animation too. It could have been a great show, but I really didn't enjoyed it. 6/10 |
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| Oh, what a crap ending. Crap crap crap. How can they mess up so bad? The first 6 or so episodes were masterpiece worthy. Did they really need this shitty confusing cliché of an ending? I guess it's my fault for setting my expectations too high. Damn, it was so good, while it lasted. I'm seriously disappointed. |
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teanut said: Yeah, this is the first anime I downloaded, and it STILL has one of the worst endings I have ever seen and is one of the main reasons I say that Madhouse don't have clue about finishing off anime.Oh, what a crap ending. Crap crap crap. How can they mess up so bad? The first 6 or so episodes were masterpiece worthy. Did they really need this shitty confusing cliché of an ending? I guess it's my fault for setting my expectations too high. Damn, it was so good, while it lasted. I'm seriously disappointed. The other main reason is Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo, but at least that was somewhat justified due to demographic requirements (depressing endings aren't family-friendly). Also, Akagi, just Akagi. That had a horrible, horrible cliffhanger ending. |
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| Lol, this ending had to be the only cliche where people say "OMG, this was so cliché, and confusing!" Thank you evangelion, for creating this anomaly, where people can legitimately complain "this mindfuck is the same as all those other mindfucks since instrumentality project!" Since instrumentality is my favorite cliché, I have to get some enjoyment out of it whenever it shows up, but at the same time I wish Kaiba had done something truly original with the ending. It was a marvelous ending, don't get me wrong, but once you get past all the twists and turns, it's yet another "I was lonely so I wanted to unite all of our minds" message, with the optional cure of love/friendship (this anime being one that took the optional cure). Oh well, still mad respect. I loved this series so much. |
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| to be honest i didn't understand the last episode very much hehe :),i think i have to rewatch it... i don't know i want to give this a 10 but i'm not sure i can...it's like a 9.4 lol |
Sayonara,papa! "Just how a mirror reflects you,people will also reflect your heart." ~Athena Glory,Aria "Whatever happens,happens" ~Spike Spiegel's thoughts on dying(Cowboy Bebop) |
| A few questions: Why was Warp running around with no memories in the first place? What is the hole in his heart and why did it become bigger? The Warp that changed a series of bodies and ran away with the sheriff. What happened? Did he die in the crash? and how did he change back to his old body? |
| I'm pretty sure your first question is answered in one of the prior episodes. Episode 10 if I remember right, which shows what had happened before episode 1. Warp had no memories I think because he fell from the rich higher class into the lower class and the cloud made him forget his memories (remember in the first ep that people were building the balloon to get to the top and Popo remarks that they've already been there several times? Yeah, that's the result of the memory eating cloud thing) I can't recall enough to answer the second question. As far as the third, if I remember right Vanilla put Warp/Chroniko in a body that he had stored away to use for either himself. Warp/Chroniko then takes that form. Can't remember how he got his old body back. I want to say it was that scientist guy, but I don't remember. I think Hyohyo/Neiro helped in some way? |
| I dunno why it occurred to me only after I finished the series, but I find it somewhat reminiscent of The Little Prince, which is another plus. Concerning this particular episode, I can't say I enjoyed it as much as the rest of the anime. I guess it's because I'm simply not fond of the ending, with everyone being safe and sound, reuniting and stuff. It reminded me of Mai-Hime 'reset' ending which I didn't like, to say the least. Furthermore, the last couple of episodes were a bit rushed IMO. Notwithstanding these little blemishes, Kaiba is a great anime and I honestly enjoyed most of it. As for the score I'm vacillating between 8 and 9 which is, having in mind my reluctance towards giving high scores a superb achievement for an anime. On a side note, I believe the theological term for what Kaiba did when he released his memories would be kenosis. |
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| Phantasmagoria. 10/10 |
| Okay. I've read all of the posts and no one totally explained everything. So that would mean it's really hard to decipher this ep in words. I'm really interested to know what are they trying to say in this ep despite how confusing it was. Anyway, I'll read some articles later to fully understand the episode. Overall, this show has a brilliant concept and setting that leaves off philosophical implications, an art & animation that's full of creativity and artistry , mostly strong cast of characters , beautiful soundtracks , and great execution. The first 7 eps were simply outstanding but when it came back to its main plot, it kinda went downhill. This gets a 9/10 for me. Masaki Yuasa, you deserve my praise. :) |
| Ok, so she gave him poison to avoid a political battle? How did that work? Those endings man... |
| A very good ending to a great series. I have to admit that I hoped it would end in a less positive way. Even though, the show was a must-see, I give it a 9/10 because some episodes were masterpieces while others were just good. |
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| Am I the only one who found the plot incredibly confusing? Like parts of the story where spread around everywhere and the constant lack of a "red thread". |
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| Well, I just marathoned all 12 episodes. I'm very glad I stuck with it after being initially put off by the animation style. Very awesome music, amazingly creative sci fi universe that felt so alive. The last few episodes definitely seemed to skip ahead, missing some plot details and the ending was a little disappointing. But despite the plot holes, I really enjoyed this anime overall. It was so different and vibrant compared to so many of the standard animes spewed out yearly. |
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| Pretty cool soundtrack for this finale imo. Mom made poison for her huh? Damn. An insightful ending to this series as well. 7/10 overall. Just wish the animation was a little better, even for Madhouse standards. |
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| I'm really kind of torn here... The first 9 episodes were 10/10 for me, the 10th episode was 9/9, and the last 2 episodes are maybe a 7/10 at best. So basically most of the anime was flawless and a masterpiece in my opinion it's just that the ending really didn't fit the series. I feel like they produced this wild out of control creation just exploding with imagination, from the art, to the soundtrack, to the setting, to the characters and mysterious plot it was all amazing. But... once it was time to present the finale they didn't really know where to go with it. I think I'll still rate it 10/10 and just kind of not consider the ending because when I think of Kaiba I want to think of the first 9 absolutely flawless episodes. |
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| 9/10 Would have been a 10 if this anime didn't try to bring up so much towards the ending. It gets too complicated and it's hard to take in everything. |
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| Weird approach for this ending, it made me a bit confused and unpleased as I expected something more, but actually it was quite nice and in general this anime was quite unique and had a really interesting art style that reminded me to Astro Boy! The story development plus the character development was actually quite great, especially towards the end with the backstory it all made more sense! So well it sure was a great watch but on some occasions it lacked some interest! 7/10 |
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| Consistent writing pls. Don't go for a character-centric Gainax ending if the first half revolves more thematically on the storytelling itself and not much on the characters. Ham-fisted plot twists like the mother turning to love Warp all along is just.. ugh. You had such a good beginning Kaiba. :\\\\ |
| I agree with Nil, I also thought the anime's atmosphere pretty much disappeared in the second half, a little disappointing for me overall. Meh, I'll still give it a generous 7 for the setting, concepts, visuals, soundtrack and the first half of the anime's execution. |
Romario3210Nov 30, 2013 9:12 PM
| The ending was a bit...confusing and somehow not that satisfying. I guess I just expected a bit more. But this was still a very good series and had some beautifully touching moments. I really enjoyed exploring the world of Kaiba and the ideas and mysteries it put forth. Also, the bgm was simply amazing <3 If only this wasn't so short. i felt the series would've benefited from a couple more episodes. |
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| I love the earlier episode compare to the latter ep....and i wish hyou hyou be with kaiba..since compare to neiro,hyou hyou has the whole memory of neiro after her memory was modified.Hyou hyou go thru more hardship together with kaiba.Neiru entry at later ep feel like a bit rushing for me.. and someone mind to share what happen in the end? by the way,is it just me that feel that kaina's ostrich mum is cool when she is saving kaiba,those action~~ |
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| Kaiba really toyed with my emotions. It spent 7 episodes building up an interesting and nuanced world, and introducing original characters with unique, compelling storylines. In doing so, Kaiba created an awesome universe, and explored a lot of thought-provoking possibilities within it. This, to me, was the heart and soul of the show, and one that felt wholehearted and genuine in almost every aspect. At this point in Kaiba, I was in love with it. In episodes 8-12, it started to feel far less original, and more like an ending for the sake of an ending; it was as if someone in a board meeting said "alright guys, fun's over, we've gotta wrap this up". The characters became bland, the dialogue felt less genuine, and the storyline became not only contrived, but convoluted. While I was able to tolerate episode 9, as it was necessary in making sense of the romance and admittedly charming, the other four were mediocre and unimpressive. It's like someone inserted memories from Michael Bay into the production staff after Vanilla's death. |
| I was not expecting a happy ending. The ostrich being Warps mother was a cool twist and explained how it was so protective of him. Good show but the ending was kinda weak. Dont understand how people had trouble understanding the story or claim that it was 'too fast'. Its not exactly complicated once everything gets explained in the last few episodes. |
sayonara_sekaiJul 24, 2014 11:00 PM
| I got mixed feelings about this series. I agree with people that say the second half was more poor than the first, although I mostly feel like that about the last 3-4 episodes only. Interesting concept surely. I actually expected more romance than plot or the human concepts that the writers tried to make us think about; which is not really what I wanted. Good show nonetheless. The ending really bugged me though. All of it; things weren't explained clearly and some concepts made no sense. If Kaiba was immortal and Popo knew it why did he continue to try to kill him instead of using some other tactic to get rid of him. Speaking of Popo... You ever heard of backup, bro? I'd say having all of your mother's memories who you want to bring back in a little chip might make you consider to backup the data... Dumbass. This takes me to the point how inconsistent some characters' personalities are (I wouldn't call this development or at the very least a "good one" at that). How come Neiro's copy, the one which was inside the flying small robot fell in love with the guy who only appeared in the last episode, while the original continued to pursue Kaiba? Is it because that guy told her he loved her all this time? Kinda poor attempt at romance there. Why do people transfer their data/memories into bodies of humans, when it's obvious they could put them into anything like a stuffed doll or robot. Why not put it into something with a lot of power like a giant robot or something with wings? Or at the very least make bodies with wings, wouldn't flying make life easier to travel? Even if bodies are expensive, pretty much no one did this. There was a lot of focus on romance throughout the show but the last episode just concentrated on some abstract concept that made little sense (unless I'm missing the bigger picture and all they wanted to do was to make Warp realise his mother loved him - pretty much annihilating the whole concept of this show being "deep"). And then unanswered questions. What happens to the world now since it seemed to collapse in on itself? What about the universe; is Kaiba still the king of it? Is there need for a king any more? What will happen to the memory transfer system? What of its rebels? What about the conclusion for the main characters (i.e. their relationship)? Yeah, no. I definitely agree with the people who say this was rushed. |
HandsomeManAug 12, 2014 3:41 PM
| I have many questions as well...but most of them were already asked and seemed unanswered. Although the last episode felt confusing, it was still good from what I understood happened. A lot of things happened, and the last two episodes felt really fast compared to the earlier ones. I still enjoyed it though. So much creativity and imagination in this series, it was fun and had a few touching moments (Chroniko's story comes to mind), and a really interesting concept and idea of a world where memory transfer exists. |
| Kind of a letdown. The show slowly went downhill after Vanilla's death, adopting a tone and style that clashed with what I liked about it to begin with. It became increasingly hard to see a story through this dense jumble of flashbacks and characters inhabiting multiple bodies and multiple characters inhabiting identical bodies and so on and so forth. By the end I just didn't care. It worked much better as a series of thematically linked "planet of the week" episodes. I wish the show had maintained that elegant simplicity and melancholic vibe all the way through. Ah well. 7/10 |
| So Kaiba was fighting Warp/himself? Yeah I can't be the only one confused by the endgame here. The first half was a ten but it seemed to fall off the rails once Vanilla died. I'll drop it to an 8 simply because the art and OST were simply outstanding. |
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| The first 8 episodes were brilliant, then it completely deteriorated. One of the biggest letdowns I've ever seen. But there was so much greatness in those 8, I still love this series. |
Gymkata said: The first 8 episodes were brilliant, then it completely deteriorated. One of the biggest letdowns I've ever seen. But there was so much greatness in those 8, I still love this series. Yeah the direction went to a different direction in the final episodes. Also the ending was kinda rushed, which made the impact of the love story pretty less tbh. Still, the first half was amazing and overall its still a wonderful series. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| *insert clapping gif* I'm debating between a 7 and 8 because it was a rough ride in the beginning until they pulled out the backstory card. After that, I was just HOOKED. The style and directing are wonderful. I love the art style, although I admit it took a while to get used to the cartoon character designs. What should be my next Yuasa thing? Tatami or Kemono? Hmm, decisions! |
norsci said: mayukachan said: What should be my next Yuasa thing? Tatami or Kemono? Hmm, decisions! Have you watched Ping Pong: The Animation yet? That's my favourite Yuasa work :D |
| Tatami is easier to recommend. Kemonozume has a polarizing latter half. I liked both equally, for completely different reasons. TG for something fun and possibly contemplative. KZ for best love story after Twilight. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
| As someone who really appreciates cyberpunk and dystopian anime this was fantastic. Albeit not quite cyberpunk, it really portrays the dystopian aspect masterfully whilst also taking on a different perspective, which is why I'd consider this a cut above the rest. True feeling and empathy, something that is generally lacking in these genres (which, I'm not saying is necessarily a flaw) and this really did a good job of taking the futuristic technology and placing it in a human context. A very enjoyable ride of mixed emotions and a fantastic take on dystopian romance. Was it rushed and jumps over some pretty big gaps? Yeah, probably, but I still wholeheartedly enjoyed the series. Also really appreciated "The Tree Song" which had fantastic symbolism and really talks about what the series is about. |
| how the fuck did all the characters come back to life? good last episode for a damn good series. it definitely had some unique qualities and some great scifi elements. glad i randomly came across this anime. |
Rudes said: Kind of a letdown. The show slowly went downhill after Vanilla's death, adopting a tone and style that clashed with what I liked about it to begin with. It became increasingly hard to see a story through this dense jumble of flashbacks and characters inhabiting multiple bodies and multiple characters inhabiting identical bodies and so on and so forth. By the end I just didn't care. It worked much better as a series of thematically linked "planet of the week" episodes. I wish the show had maintained that elegant simplicity and melancholic vibe all the way through. Ah well. 7/10 This sums up how I feel about it. The first half of the show was really good and the second half was just boring. |
| I'm kind of debating myself between a 7 and 8. I have a lot to say but I will try to resume. From Masaaki works, in my opinion this is the one that starts with more established bases, and gets to transmit much more than its previous anime shows. I didn't found not even a single cliche on this. The structure of the episodes at the beginning is a bit odd and not until the third episode it's when I realized the essence of the series. There are scenes that clearly convey feelings and are pretty thought-provoking. As usual in Yuasa, it's very difficult to spin all the scenes as there are cuts in time and very abstract scenes that are open to interpretation. Nevertheless, I met a beautiful story of love, futuristic and innovative, with a very unusual drawing, but very worth the time. The show's classic style is also surprisingly fitting and a sign of the effort that has gone into the show's production. There was a few flaws that I couldn't bring myself to ignore, regarding the main leads and the general layout of the narrative. That's why I'm not giving this a higher score. But this was definitely one of the most enjoyable and 'different' anime experiences I have had this year. |
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| Ehh. The first half of the show was great with its episodic, short stories but then came the second, 'story-driven' half. It was generic, uninspired good vs evil. Lots of things were unexplained like why Warp was the chosen one, with that special power. It tried to bite too much, picking up various motives but in the end it focused only on one. + for the characteristic OST and art. 5/10 |
AizixMay 5, 2015 6:41 AM
| A lot of great ideas, but its structure, execution, and style were way too postmodern for my liking. 6/10 |
| I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one who didn't fully understand what was happening at the end. I think Warp defeated Dark Warp in final battle with an overthrow of a Human Instrumentality Project thrown in. Overall, a top 10 anime with some wonderful haunting moments and a great soundtrack. |
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