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qrE3TInqs GJM-DDY subs are worth waiting for. (immersion/quality) Cocona got flustered by the push-down. What does it mean that Yayaka and the twins' brains are different? Yayaka and others ain't yuri. Bu-chan(robot) showed us that. That and they're peace through power types.Are they not human then? Is Papika even human in that case? What makes Papika and Cocona's brains alike? Or different? _Kairu_ said: They weren't thinking about eachother enough. Less fumbling and flustering, more doing.So is there any reason why Papika couldn't say Flip Flapping correctly? Like being to panicked?  doei said: I've experienced that in real life... except i had to face thisoh my god, I cant believe everybody is saying how creepy the gokigenyou-ing faceless girls were, but nobody is talking about that freaking doll?!?!?! That was creepy as HELL man, scarred for life lol Yes that actual original puppet has been in my room. Thai777 said: Because it was watching them the whole time, and closed when the pure illusion closed. The end of a chapter, the end of repetition of subtext.Why did that doll close his eyes at the end? Urgh that was sooooo creepy... Axelucard said: Greetings madafaka!! I was bored. Fai said: The author actually admits to seeing yuri in everything, lol. The rest of what you said was redundant.Now that's a homophobic post if I ever saw one. Nobody "sees yuri i n everything". People see the relationships the way they are. This episode pretty much condemned queerbaiting in anime. It was a critique of countless identical works that bait and bait and never get anywhere. It would be pretty hypocritical to give a non-conclusion to their relationship then. flannan said: #4 wraps it up. I'm under the impression that Yayaka is bound by rules, and those above who say what is what.TragicRomance said: I am starting to think that Yayaka's organization is the 'good' one while the one Cocona and Papika are working for is the bad one. 1) Well, wholly evil organizations probably can't get a teenage girl as resolute as Yayaka. 2) Good organizations don't call their goals "world domination". 3) In the end, no, it's never a good idea to take over the world, even if your intentions are good. The world is too diverse a place to be ruled by one group of people. 4) Personally, I think Yayaka's organization is Order, and Papika's organization is Chaos. Fai said: Accronyms are dumb. In all honesty, the definision of mental illness is flawed. Anything that's not physical damage is a variation. So really, if you weer to map out all humans and create a perfect average human template, anything deviating from that is an "illness". The problem here is ignorance.Romantic friendship is an intimate relationship between two adolescent girls. While homosexuality is largely condemned in Japan, romantic friendships are socially acceptable because they're perceived as nonsexual and temporary – the girls are expected to grow out of the relationship and marry men as adults. An early 20th century literary genre called Class S helped develop the idea of romantic friendship in Japan. Class S works usually depict intense emotional relationships between schoolgirls that end with them separated by marriage, graduation, or death. This genre serves as the bedrock for modern yuri. Adult women-loving-women are still stigmatized in Japan, where their sexuality is often perceived as a mental illness. Class S started as form of liberating LGBT writers from the bounds of censorship but then mutated into basically queerbaiting in modern shows. Same kidn of subtextual interactions, school setting, no confirmation, ends with graduation or death or separation. etc.flannan said: It's definitely a cultural aspect. The sexes are segregated and seek familiarity in friends, those who can understand eachother. Sometimes it borders on what we'd call homosexual, because of excess touchy-feeliness, but really, touching is only seen as unusual or limited to sexuality in the western world. Skinship is a good thing. Remember, japan is a very emotionally driven culture, they teach you emotional struggles in school, at times even share hardships of students between students (if their granny died or something), even advertisements always aim at emotions, and sell emotions with products, rather than sell products with emotions like the west does. Touchy-feely closeness will be more prominent with a less suppressive emotional environment.Rei366 said: Sports anime and battle shounen anime often feature pretty strong male friendships. Fangirls are likely to view them as romantic, which is why some people call anime like that "fujobait".Out-of-curiosity: is this female "romantic friendship" even a real thing (seems so fictionnal) ? And why is it female-exclusive (since the term doesn't include anything to make it know that it is about girls only)? AND... (I sense, I will regret this) Why isn't this simply viewed as a stronger friendship than the average one? Viewing a "romantic friendship" as friendship or romance is a matter of state of mind (called "yuri goggles" or "yaoi goggles" if you see it). I think it's easier to see such things about opposite gender, and you only notice the relationship between two people of your gender might be romantic when it's obvious, or when it crosses your personal boundaries. No idea what strong friendships between girls or women are like IRL. flannan said: Yet you're unfamiliar with "what strong friendships between girls or women are like"? If there's one thing anime is always dead accurate on, it's sociological and psychological study. You should pay closer attention to details and patterns, then you'll learn. PS: don't forget that relationships are behaviourally different depending on the culture, even if the thoughts are similar.Rei366 said: I do wear yuri goggles. I am a straight male, by the way. People often seem to find homosexual relationships between opposite sex to be romantic/sexy.@flannan I see. Quite proud to not wear any of those two deforming goggles. (looks like anything would look like a CLAMP manga through them) flannan said: It's not about that at all. There is a severe lack of yuri content, due to it's lack of recognition, both by studios and by the public. As it stands, it doesn't sell very well because there isn't enough demand for it, most of the demand is in those typical shows everyone gripes about being too cookie-cutter... As far as fujoshi, they kinda bring it on themselves. They have a high tendency to be very obnoxious and lean towards obsessing with yaoi to where any hint is a weird fanfiction spawn. Yuri fans (female and male) tend to be a lot more humble, and don't go around bothering everyone with it as much. If this anime has any grand motive, it's to prod at the studios/public to acknowledge yuri a little bit more often. Japan isn't a place full of social activism, people generally only get worked up to defend the status quo, like when there was protest to protect akihabara.Fai said: I am under the impression that a large amount of heterosexual (but not heteronormative) people enjoy these "baiting" shows for their homosexual content. It just has to be homosexual content of the opposite gender.So it is less about "gay people seeing things" and more about heteronormative people being intentionally unable to see things. I think it's wrong that yaoi fangirls are more disliked than yuri fanboys. ... 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GenesisAriaDec 11, 2016 3:43 AM
❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
GenesisAria said: flannan said: Yet you're unfamiliar with "what strong friendships between girls or women are like"? If there's one thing anime is always dead accurate on, it's sociological and psychological study. You should pay closer attention to details and patterns, then you'll learn. PS: don't forget that relationships are behaviourally different depending on the culture, even if the thoughts are similar.I do wear yuri goggles. I am a straight male, by the way. People often seem to find homosexual relationships between opposite sex to be romantic/sexy. It's all about reliability of sources. Anime is notoriously crazy and over-the-top, thus I do not expect things to work the same in real life. For example, my relationship with my osananajimi easily crumbled when we hit puberty (I suddenly realized we were completely different people with nothing in common), unlike harem anime, where osananajimi are super-loyal and persistent. In short, anime is not a reliable indicator of what real life is like. And as I'm not a girl, and don't remember ever being one, I have no idea what their friendships are really like. Sure, girls in our class looked a lot more touchy-feely than boys. But would they grope each other in bath? Do they bathe together in the first place? GenesisAria said: flannan said: As far as fujoshi, they kinda bring it on themselves. They have a high tendency to be very obnoxious and lean towards obsessing with yaoi to where any hint is a weird fanfiction spawn. Yuri fans (female and male) tend to be a lot more humble, and don't go around bothering everyone with it as much.I think it's wrong that yaoi fangirls are more disliked than yuri fanboys. I suspect that fujoshi aren't any more obnoxious and obsessive than male yuri fans, but people overreact to them because of psychological biases. |
flannanNov 8, 2016 9:25 PM
flannan said: I believe i've said it pretty clearly: there's also a cultural separation. Things like promises and bonds are held with a lot more value in asian cultures (largely china/korea, and especially japan) than they are the west. A lot of people lose touch of the old cultural subtexts in more trendy places like the city, the more out in the country you go, the further back in time and the more traditional it is. Try not to use unnecessary japanese words in english. My childhood friend(s) from like elementary years disappeared when i left town, and so did my middle school friends and so on. Friends are fleeting if they're not held close, they'll get preoccupied with life and forget you exist until reminded. The only way around this is if there's love involved, or you're really tightly bonded by experiences or something. Anime exaggerates elements for them to be easier to understand, like a magnifying glass. While what a magnifying glass shows you is not the same as what your naked eye sees, it allows you to easier look at details that were previously easy to miss.GenesisAria said: Yet you're unfamiliar with "what strong friendships between girls or women are like"? If there's one thing anime is always dead accurate on, it's sociological and psychological study. You should pay closer attention to details and patterns, then you'll learn. PS: don't forget that relationships are behaviourally different depending on the culture, even if the thoughts are similar. It's all about reliability of sources. Anime is notoriously crazy and over-the-top, thus I do not expect things to work the same in real life. For example, my relationship with my osananajimi easily crumbled when we hit puberty (I suddenly realized we were completely different people with nothing in common), unlike harem anime, where osananajimi are super-loyal and persistent. In short, anime is not a reliable indicator of what real life is like. And as I'm not a girl, and don't remember ever being one, I have no idea what their friendships are really like. Sure, girls in our class looked a lot more touchy-feely than boys. But would they grope each other in bath? Do they bathe together in the first place? In japan, they do, and guys bathe together as well. Girls go on about boob talk all the time in most modern cultures; it's an endless silly competition to gain the attention of guys. There is at times that one girl who wants to grope everyone, it's not as common as in anime, but that doesn't make it false. You don't have to be a girl to know what girls do, and you don't have to be a guy to know what guys do. That's a self-motivated restriction of your own understanding. Anime only seems unrealistic on the surface (like with the intentional gravity defiance which no one should be stupid enough to think that anyone believes the physics are realistic), but underneath it is far more realistic normal life psychology than live-acted TV.Even akiba knows this: the primary anti-realisms are the improbabilities, exaggerated tropes, and disproportionality. Otherwise it's generally very well studied. For example, an other worldly situation, with improbable character personalities - it may seem unrealistic to normal sensibilities, but as that type of person in such other worldly circumstances, are very much realistic more than 90% of the time. The issue is that the given personality types which appear to be common, are not unreal, just unlikely. For example: my middle school life played out oddly like a slice of life anime, especially in the way everyone kinda had a spot that was distinct. Mane people (not all) was so individual seeming that you could almost colour code each person. You could tell who the main characters were, and they stood out in their own ways, be it the arrogant one, the bookworm, the nerdy girl, that guy that pretends to be innocent even though he watches porn like everyone else, the elegant girl and the runner-up... To my regret, i didn't understand how fortunate i was for such circumstances until after i was well into highschool in another town... the highschool i went to was monochromatic, everyone was more or less the same, no reputations, no individuality, nobody knew anyone outside of their cliques and nobody cared. It depends where you live, and how positive it's atmosphere is, to whether the purity will come out, or the melancholy will blend it grey. With a pure environment, people's inherent personality archetypes shine, and you can see who each person really is, without that protective barrier up; they really are a lot like anime characters. People being complex doesn't make them realistic, we think that's realistic because it's the norm; we complicate our own individualities because of all these social disturbances we have today. And because of people without good/loving parenting. Complicated individualities are supposed to be rare, and usually victims of circumstance, like someone with a troubled past, or someone with gender identity issues. Humans are meant to be simple, and characterized; it allows us to get along because we can understand eachothers' types. GenesisAria said: I suspect that fujoshi aren't any more obnoxious and obsessive than male yuri fans, but people overreact to them because of psychological biases.As far as fujoshi, they kinda bring it on themselves. They have a high tendency to be very obnoxious and lean towards obsessing with yaoi to where any hint is a weird fanfiction spawn. Yuri fans (female and male) tend to be a lot more humble, and don't go around bothering everyone with it as much. To most yuri fans, they love girls, and 2 girls together is better than 1 girl with a guy. That's it. They also aren't obsessed with pairing female characters for fanfictions all the time, while it does happen, it's not very common, and usually limited to pictures. They're both on totally different orders of magnitude. Edit: That ended up longer than expected. I guess i have a lot to say on things i've intently studied ^^; |
GenesisAriaNov 8, 2016 10:36 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| Stuck in a loop of time, horrors of distorted face figure students, totally creepy doll! Terrifying Clocktower gears of pure illusion! This is getting better every episode! 5/5. |
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| It's been a while since I've seen something with a spooky atmosphere! Wonderful visuals. Best pure illusion world so far. |
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Mentioning Inception reminds me Dr. Strange movie xD In this anime the quote would be like: |
| Horror scenes were gripping and imaginative, if not original |
| Horror done right. Dang that was creepy. I love this anime. 'The Shining' with Bu-chan, lmao. |
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| This was my favorite episode so far! Super creepy and unsettling. I feel like I'm finally getting more into this show. |
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| This might have been the spookiest thing Ive ever seen ._. |
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| Wow, the horror in this episode felt creepier than most actual horror themed anime. One of my top 3 favorites this season for sure |
| This Marimite episode was fucking phenomenal. Did you see how gracious Sei looked and sounded? |
| Sucking finger loop!!! |
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sirflimflam said: There have been so much suggestive stuff in this series centered around Papika and Cocona... This episode isn't even subtle about it anymore. ...and god I've got no complaints. I love this pair together. Anyone else find themselves listening to the ending every time it comes up at the end? I swear, this is the first anime in a while that actually got me sitting through the credits watching the weird animations and music. It really is the best song! |
| IS A SHOW LIKE THIS SUPPOSED TO GET THIS CREEPY IT FELT LIKE PLAYING A HORROR GAME IM TERRIFIED |
| Fairly good episode, time looping plots are pretty interesting. |
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| That's the freakiest thing I've seen in anime in a LONG time. |
| 2Spooky4Me! Pretty interesting episode, quite like those time loop concepts! Pretty lovely in general and a nice ending! Let's see what happens next! |
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| Some pretty interesting yuri-related symbolism going on. Also that The Shining reference lol. |
| Damn that was creepy as fuck. That was more terrifying than most, if not all, horror anime. Could have at least left the fucking doll out of the room (even though it never did anything. Probably just was there to show that they are looping before the actual loop started). |
| GOUKIGENYOUUUUU~~ This was a fun episode! The horror thriller was well done! Yayaka is hella hot in her black outfit |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| This reminded me of Persona Q the haunted house and that was creepy as shit. I am officially not sleeping tonight. |
| Just need to find out how to quote this every time so I can dodge the stupid 30-character limit. |
| Dude, this was some creepy atmosphere! |
| This episode has a lot of horror elements to it making this whole episode creepy. I'm glad that Cocona and Papika were able to get the fragment. The battle is still on! I hope they succeed! |
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| qr3ETInqs the final scene inside the clocktower reminded a lot of the randomness of the witch domains in Madoka Magica Crimson said: That "qrE3TInqs" was pretty creepy at first, but I'll be honest, when they started repeating it it was hilarious! Same, already after the second time it was funny seeing Papika and Cocona getting scared and running away. |
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| Well, that is a huge department of what we've had before. At least they're keeping things from going stale; interesting indeed... |
| Old yuri trappings all laced throughout the episode? Come on y'all there were white lilies all over the place. And holy shit some of that imagery and "jump scares" made me freak as I'm watching this in the dark of my bedroom. The symbolism of constructing Cocona identity and confidence is really beaming here. And I love how many references and fun the team had making this, it's obvious from start to finish. |
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| Did this show just become amazing? Why tf have I not watched this 2 years ago |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Loved the horror elements featured in this Pure Illusion and how the girls can be a representation of who Cocona was before Papika appeared. Loved their freak reactions to the faceless girls. |
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| This anime is horrifying LOL. Thank goodness I have a 4 episode drop rule. If it doesn't pick up by the 4th ep, it's a no go. 5th ep def picked this up for me *thumbs up* I'm with Yayaka. This is not child's play. At first, Papika was so adorable, but she is much too lax and vulnerable >:/ Grow up. This anime is looking more and more like Madoka Magica |
| So this episode was horror themed... I liked the Shining reference and some scenes gave me Haunted Mansion and Coraline vibes, however I feel like they didn't go as far as they could've. I never felt truly frightened... I noticed there were also Alice in Wonderland references, this show seems to get a lot of inspiration from it. I hope one episode will fully go crazy like Alice in Wonderland instead of just showing glimpses of what it is able to do in terms of creativity. Also disappointed by how, and thus since episode 3, while Papika remains adorable she seems to have lost a lot of her charm. I don't know how to explain it, but she feels much less eccentric and unique than she used to in the first episodes. However I'm quite interested in Yayaka's character. I wonder what she really is fighting for. |
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| Pretty scary and disturbing episode. Those twins gave me The Shining vibes. |
SerafosDec 16, 2023 8:00 AM
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| Creepy episode lol Yayaka is built different |
| Based Certified. I love anime armpits. |
| I really like the wide variety of colours this show brings to to the table, either over the top lsd alice in wonderland, desert mad max or nearly everything in shades of grey/black. |
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