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| Bam! Kayneth gets shot up, and is saved by his servant. Good episode. |
| Interesting no one has died yet. When will a servant be eliminated? |
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| Irisviel is kind of a badass... Still no casualties huh? Damn Caster... 4/5 |
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| Does anyone else really want more Kariya airtime? I don't care for Berserk as much as I want to see Kariya; he quickly developed into one my of favorite characters only to be rarely shown. |
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SharifEbeefE said: Unfortunately there isnt much to see.He literally goes from place to place while in intense pain.Does anyone else really want more Kariya airtime? I don't care for Berserk as much as I want to see Kariya; he quickly developed into one my of favorite characters only to be rarely shown. |
| If Kirei really killed Irisviel right then and there, I would loath him way more than I already do now. |
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| Kiritsugu's bullets are cool. Watching Kayneth being humiliated and agonizing was great. So why wouldn't Maiya try to shoot Kirei in the back while he was bound to it? Also did he deflect the bullets with some magic not long before that? I mean he was clearly running in a straight line and there is just no way Maiya would miss. Btw I really hate Kirei, just like I did in F/SN. Not because he is evil or whatever, but because I really hate villains who have no character at all. He is just powerful and evil, and that's about it. He was the same in F/SN just a bit crazier. Also if he is so powerful I wonder how could the powerless Shirou defeat him... |
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RazielZero said: Kiritsugu's bullets are cool. Watching Kayneth being humiliated and agonizing was great. So why wouldn't Maiya try to shoot Kirei in the back while he was bound to it? Also did he deflect the bullets with some magic not long before that? I mean he was clearly running in a straight line and there is just no way Maiya would miss. Btw I really hate Kirei, just like I did in F/SN. Not because he is evil or whatever, but because I really hate villains who have no character at all. He is just powerful and evil, and that's about it. He was the same in F/SN just a bit crazier. Also if he is so powerful I wonder how could the powerless Shirou defeat him... THat is the point about Kirei.He has no character and no purpose in life(at least before FZ).That is why he was going from department to department inside the church,to find meaning in his existence. Both in FZ and FSN he tries to understand why an existence like him was allowed to the world and why he is like this. The reason he made Kiritsugu his target is because he thinks he is the same as him. His clothes are bulletproof and also enchanted with special spells from the Church and so able to defend against firearms like the Calico(9mm) as long as his covers his head. As we said before forget what you saw in the FSN anime.In Fate route Kirei,who is also weaker than he is in FZ, was toying with Shirou,so when Shirou escaped from the mud while next to Kirei NOT meters away he just had to pierce him with the dagger while Kirei was off guard. |
ssjokgOct 9, 2013 12:34 AM
| wait, so his bullets are made from his ribs? this must hurt, how many did he sacrified for 66 bullets o_o |
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Urek said: wait, so his bullets are made from his ribs? this must hurt, how many did he sacrified for 66 bullets o_o His first and second ribs from both sides. |
RazielZero said: Kiritsugu's bullets are cool. Watching Kayneth being humiliated and agonizing was great. So why wouldn't Maiya try to shoot Kirei in the back while he was bound to it? Also did he deflect the bullets with some magic not long before that? I mean he was clearly running in a straight line and there is just no way Maiya would miss. Btw I really hate Kirei, just like I did in F/SN. Not because he is evil or whatever, but because I really hate villains who have no character at all. He is just powerful and evil, and that's about it. He was the same in F/SN just a bit crazier. Also if he is so powerful I wonder how could the powerless Shirou defeat him... The whole point of Kirei's existence is that his existence is meaningless. He does not have personality nor motivation in life. He can't really "FEEL" emotions. His sole reason of living on is his drive to figure out why he is living on. In a way he is written to be the "anti-shirou" as Shirou is also someone who is unable to feel emotions or have his own self-identity. And forget FSN bullshit. FSN anime failed to explain anything, as well as to portray Kirei's end correctly. While fate-route Shirou and Kirei are weakest versions of them: 1. FSN anime failed to explain the significance of the dagger that was used to kill him. 2. FSN anime failed to portray BOTH Kirei's underestimation of Shirou AND the situational advantage Shirou had when Kirei got stabbed. Shirou survived something Kirei was SURE he would not in the most reckless fashion possible, was positioned right next to Kirei and Kirei had no time to react to it. The two other versions of Kirei in the two other versions of 5th war in FSN are far more stronger(then again same goes for Shirou) |
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| Wow, fantastic episode c: |
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| Quite a few near death experiences happening here, yet another satisfying battle and I like how much of a free for all this is turning into. |
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SatanicBeaver said: A good episode, but not a great one due to the stupidity in the fight with Kirei on Maiya's part. He was tied to a tree for a good 45 seconds or so while Maiya had a gun right next to her, but instead of shooting him just sat there dumbfounded so that Iri could get stabbed. i was wondering about that too. That was a really perfect chance.. |
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| ....so... why did Kiritsugu's bullet hurt El-Whatshisname so much? |
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Thund3r1 said: ....so... why did Kiritsugu's bullet hurt El-Whatshisname so much? Watch again and pay attention to the explanation. |
| And i thought she really died |
| 1. Kiritsugu vs kayneth was very interesting 2. How dare kirei stab iri like that! Good thing she can heal 7/10 |
souledge94 said: Dammit you keep shooting till theres nothing left of what your shooting at or your out of ammo. One bullet or ten the effect on Kayneth would be the same. The bullet explanation part kinda felt misplaced here.One minute im watching saber the next it snaped to a lady talking about rib bullets I thought I missed something. Mid-battle flashbacks is commonplace thing in Kinoko Nasu's works. Its not like the concept of person's Origin is new(since it was used in every single nasuverse work including FSN), so the flashback only had to explain how Kerry got ahold of them and how his Origin works. |
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Fai said: souledge94 said: Dammit you keep shooting till theres nothing left of what your shooting at or your out of ammo. One bullet or ten the effect on Kayneth would be the same. He means Mayia vs. Kerei I'm assuming... While I do agree with him, it still would be pointless.. Kinda. |
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souledge94 said: Dammit you keep shooting till theres nothing left of what your shooting at or your out of ammo.Just cause they are down doesint mean their out hes magic for pete sake.It was cool seeing iris whip out some magic.Neat team up attack with saber and lancer.The bullet explanation part kinda felt misplaced here.One minute im watching saber the next it snaped to a lady talking about rib bullets I thought I missed something.Dam Kirei chocked and stabbed iris good thing she had that thing in her but I bet it still hurt like hell. Without the flashback, you wouldn't understand why Kiritsugu completely destroyed Kayneth with one shot. Geez, people are either complaining there aren't enough explanations (Kirei's kevlar robes), or they complain about misplaced explanations. The explanation was rather well-placed in my opinion. Urobuchi didn't do anything wrong. |
| I cringed when Iri got stabbed and puked up blood all over Kerei's hand. Great episode! |
| Kayneth is out, no matter what, with such messed-up magic circuit he is now destined to be a cripple. Though I wasn't expecting those bullets are actually made from Kiritsugu ribs.. was he able to reach Origin somehow before? And his former master appeared, now I am even more curious about his history. But I just don't understand how Iris can use Avalon as conceptual weapon. Is it its property as Noble Phantasm or is that something that Kiritsugu invented with his knowledge? |
Mich666 said: Though I wasn't expecting those bullets are actually made from Kiritsugu ribs.. was he able to reach Origin somehow before? Understanding one's origin =/= Reaching the Akasha. Entirely different things. Being aware of one's origin binds you to do things (ex: Kara no Kyoukai) specific to that origin, as a routine/obsession. But I just don't understand how Iris can use Avalon as conceptual weapon. Is it its property as Noble Phantasm or is that something that Kiritsugu invented with his knowledge? Because its freaking conceptual weapon? Kerry is not inventing anything ever. |
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Mich666 said: Kayneth is out, no matter what, with such messed-up magic circuit he is now destined to be a cripple. Though I wasn't expecting those bullets are actually made from Kiritsugu ribs.. was he able to reach Origin somehow before? And his former master appeared, now I am even more curious about his history. Like Fai said, you can be aware of your origin easily. It doesn't mean you reached the Origin - the Root, Akasha. Kiritsugu is written with the kanji for Severing and Binding, his parents gave him that name because of his strange origin. Mich666 said: But I just don't understand how Iris can use Avalon as conceptual weapon. Is it its property as Noble Phantasm or is that something that Kiritsugu invented with his knowledge? Conceptual Weapon is a misleading term. It's a magical item that causes more than physical interference, so it can be a weapon, a shield, etc. |
Fai said: Understanding one's origin =/= Reaching the Akasha. Entirely different things. Being aware of one's origin binds you to do things (ex: Kara no Kyoukai) specific to that origin, as a routine/obsession. C-Core said: Like Fai said, you can be aware of your origin easily. It doesn't mean you reached the Origin - the Root, Akasha. Kiritsugu is written with the kanji for Severing and Binding, his parents gave him that name because of his strange origin. Ah, thanks for clearing my misunderstanding, I wasn't aware this term can have both meanings, I thought it would be wierd if he actually reach it. Guess I'll watch those KnK movies next (and then to complete all Tsukihime routes, lots of work ^^) C-Core said: Conceptual Weapon is a misleading term. It's a magical item that causes more than physical interference, so it can be a weapon, a shield, etc. Yes, I know it can be almost anything, not only weapon (Rho Auis shield also being one), I was just questioning how it fits into this category. Normally, conceptual weapons are tools of belief but in this setting it is a bit different and that actually misleaded me. As such I found it hard to believe that anyone other that its original wearer could've used its powers - becuse one would need to have very strong faith in what land of "Avalon" actually represented (only Arthuria had that image in her mind). Not to mention Iris had no spiritual link with her to actually see that vision (Shirou at least had that). And to use concept without knowing concept - that's the thing I was questioning here. Don't know how that worked for Shirou when Saber wasn't there but that's another story. Maybe this concept was strong enough to make permanent imprint of it in body of wearer? Who knows? I realized the sheath was actually excavated at Cornwall and it was the real one from fairies, not ordinary Noble Phantasm that came with Saber from Seats of Heroes. I believe we can safely say that Saber could somehow transfer her strong faith in Avalon onto others standing close to her (aura of belief perhaps?) and that's why it actually worked. But I was always striked by the fact that Saber wasn't aware of that her prana is leaking somewhere, away from her body, into Avalon. |
Mich666Aug 8, 2014 1:19 PM
| 概念武装 can be translated as Conceptual Weapon, but Conceptual Armament works better and causes less misunderstandings. Conceptual Armament [Term] A tool created to go beyond mere physical interference, and exert influence on concepts, natural providence, and space. For instance, something that nullifies "eternal youth" by overwriting it with the idea of "natural lifespan". Ciel's Seventh Holy Scripture contains the dual concepts of "reincarnation criticism" and "eternity without permanence". By the way, after being killed by Shiki, Arcueid had at first mistakenly assumed that he must possess some kind of powerful conceptual armament. By that definition, Avalon with its healing powers is definitely a Conceptual Armament. I have never heard of something like them being "tools of belief". Avalon always worked on others, as long as it's filled with Saber's mana. This isn't a plot that was newly introduced in FZ. |
CapsuleCoreAug 8, 2014 2:50 PM
| Don't tell me Kayneth survived that bullet again. |
| Dam the way Kirei pierced Irisviel >.<! Scared me there :| So she has Avalon sealed inside her just like Shirou :D |
| El-Melloi got schooled. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| What is the name of the OST when Iris fought Kirei? |
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tsudecimo said: What is the name of the OST when Iris fought Kirei? 'Let the stars fall down', I think is what you're looking for. |
BeatzMe said: tsudecimo said: What is the name of the OST when Iris fought Kirei? 'Let the stars fall down', I think is what you're looking for. Yeah that's it. Thanks. |
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| 5/5 Compelling narrative, despite being fragmented across multiple contexts. The best parts are those which concern the clash with Kirei and Emiya. Exciting twists, drawings and excellent animations. |
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| That was incredibly well done. Some of the violence in this episode made me cringe, which is very difficult to do. Kiritsugu's fight with Kayneth is probably the best "fight scene" in the series thus far, though it took me a bit to realize what was actually going on. I find Kiritsugu's methods extremely fascinating though. Still, I feel like the already blossoming rivalry and enmity between Kiritsugu and Kirei is not yet properly explained. I somewhat understand why Kiritsugu views Kirei as such a threat, but I don't actually understand why Kirei actually is such a threat that Iris went to such great lengths to keep Kirei from reaching Kiritsugu. Either I'm missing something or this will be elaborated on more fully as the series advances. |
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Zadion said: Iri doesnt think anything of it.Since Kiritsugu feels that way she will act as if she herself know sit.I somewhat understand why Kiritsugu views Kirei as such a threat, but I don't actually understand why Kirei actually is such a threat that Iris went to such great lengths to keep Kirei from reaching Kiritsugu. Either I'm missing something or this will be elaborated on more fully as the series advances. |
| ugh, as a fate-series n00b I just find it very annoying that nobody dies. I mean, there were 2 moments where there was a 95% kill and they just won't finish them off. 8 eps in and no kills. This just has to have a dissapointing ending. I'm almost sure there will be no winner or some shitty draw. |
arnxx said: posts like that are cancer.ugh, as a fate-series n00b I just find it very annoying that nobody dies. I mean, there were 2 moments where there was a 95% kill and they just won't finish them off. 8 eps in and no kills. This just has to have a dissapointing ending. I'm almost sure there will be no winner or some shitty draw. Yeah the quality of the show definitely depends on the fights where people for some reason think can end very easily since the competitors are robots without free will or agendas. |
arnxx said: ugh, as a fate-series n00b I just find it very annoying that nobody dies. I mean, there were 2 moments where there was a 95% kill and they just won't finish them off. 8 eps in and no kills. This just has to have a dissapointing ending. I'm almost sure there will be no winner or some shitty draw. Yeah I agree it's bullshit. They keep pulling reasons out of their asses to spare one another for the sake of extending the story's length. Personalities and motivations that detract from non-killing solutions are pretentious in a dark war such as this. At least we have Kiritsugu who confronts this situation with the kind of maturity and cold-blooded logic required to survive. Everyone should be slaughtering each other because it's a battle royale and anything less would simply be ridiculous and unrealistic. Rating: 1/5 |
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| Hate to be "that guy" but it really gets annoying.I loved the episode,it had very great action,the animation´s are awesome etc.But nobody dares to finish each other off.Why didn´t Kiritsugu fired 1,2 rounds in Kaineith when he was lying on the ground? And then Lancer comes to save him and is like "I could kill you easily at any moment...but I won´t!".I though it was a life or death battle in which only one party can get out off alive. I´m pretty sure,that Saber and her companions are going to win this anyway,just from the look of the cover.Hope that´s not the case. |
RufusLatro said: Hate to be "that guy" but it really gets annoying.I loved the episode,it had very great action,the animation´s are awesome etc.But nobody dares to finish each other off.Why didn´t Kiritsugu fired 1,2 rounds in Kaineith when he was lying on the ground? And then Lancer comes to save him and is like "I could kill you easily at any moment...but I won´t!".I though it was a life or death battle in which only one party can get out off alive. I´m pretty sure,that Saber and her companions are going to win this anyway,just from the look of the cover.Hope that´s not the case. Because Kiritsugu shooting Kayneth was concurrent with Lancer and Saber beating Caster, so he had only seconds before Lancer arrived. Lancer doesn't kill Kiritsugu because of his little thing with Saber-Saber would disappear soon if he killed Kiritsugu, and he doesn't want that. It may be stupid, but it makes sense for him. Hah |
RufusLatro said: You mean while he was reloading?...Hate to be "that guy" but it really gets annoying.I loved the episode,it had very great action,the animation´s are awesome etc.But nobody dares to finish each other off.Why didn´t Kiritsugu fired 1,2 rounds in Kaineith when he was lying on the ground? And then Lancer comes to save him and is like "I could kill you easily at any moment...but I won´t!".I though it was a life or death battle in which only one party can get out off alive. I´m pretty sure,that Saber and her companions are going to win this anyway,just from the look of the cover.Hope that´s not the case. And Lancer let him go just like Saber let him go.Pretty stupid I agree but IN character. |
| Lancer is a knight, remember, just like Saber. If Lancer wouldn't have showed up, I'm pretty sure Kiritsugu would have chopped him to pieces. Also - keep watching. >:) |
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HentaiPriest said: You mean while he was reloading?... But in episode 3 he needed "about 2 seconds" to reload :( robis798 said: Also - keep watching. >:) Of course I will. |
RufusLatro said: HentaiPriest said: You mean while he was reloading?... But in episode 3 he needed "about 2 seconds" to reload :( He was showing off for Maiya He wouldn't want to waste his limited stock of origin bullets so he just readied the calico-there was a good chance Kayneth would have died pretty soon afterwards if Lancer hadn't shown up and Kayneth couldn't use the command spells to call him. Kiritsugu was expecting Saber to do her job and keep him away from him. |
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