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Dec 10, 2011 8:02 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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This episode definitely DID NOT disappoint. Rider's ultimate EX rank noble phantasm AKA his mark of badassery is finally here in all its glory! The animation, the bgm, the sheer epic-ness of it all is just simply... amazing.

Ok so the episode had some really interesting points about kingship and stuff but I totally forgot all about it after seeing Ionian Hetairoi, that is how badass it is. Although somehow I do remember most of the sentences uttered by rider. This gar king deserves a quote library, almost every single sentence is plain GAR. Assassin tried to be funny and reject Rider's invitation. You DO NOT reject a king's invitation.

On a side note it's pretty nice seeing the garden of Einzbern castle animated. The very same area where Shirou and Sakura enjoyed a midnight stroll in fate/hollow ataraxia.
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Dec 10, 2011 8:31 AM
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Even though the largest part of this episode only showed three of the servants talking with each other I found it highly interesting. The first cracks begin to show in Saber's and Rider's relationship as two different views on how a king is supposed to act clash. This also seems to be the moment when Archer starts to take an interest in Saber.
 
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Dec 10, 2011 8:38 AM
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Dec 10, 2011 8:54 AM

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What an episode. My favorite so far. So awesome.

I'm only disappointed in Gilgamesh's laugh. It wasn't even close to as good/funny as it was in the sound drama :< Maybe another cutscene?
 
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Dec 10, 2011 8:55 AM

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People die if they are killed? Nope : if your friend is Rider you simply become one of his soldiers
 
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Dec 10, 2011 8:56 AM

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Now that's a fucking Noble Phantasm. I'm really glad at how this turned out in anime form since I really loved this part in the novel.

So I guess the first "season" of it will end right before the Caster battle. I was hoping they'd end it at this point here since it's a pretty good stopping point but I guess right before the Caster battle will get you pumped up for the second half before realizing there will be a painfully long wait in between.
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They should have saved more budget in this episode rather than pouring it into the "dickstroking episode" that we call the 10th episode of Fate Zero. Seriously derpfaces.

There's no problem with the story and plot of this episode though.

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Dec 10, 2011 9:05 AM

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I presume that Saber took heavy mental damage, she could not stand up to her ideals and answer Rider.

A question popped into my head in this discussion..

If I were a king, would I be a King who has the same stand point as Saber or Rider?

Rider's Noble phantasm was fantastic and well-animated, it sent chills down my spine :D..

Saber's losing to Rider both in verbal and Noble phantasm, hope she recovers her kingship :D
 
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the art looked weird in this episode...esp the eye positioning at some pts of the show
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Dec 10, 2011 9:53 AM

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Saber got told and Rider was awesome. I liked this this episode :D
 
Dec 10, 2011 9:57 AM

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YowaiHito said:
the art looked weird in this episode...esp the eye positioning at some pts of the show


i notice that too.
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Dec 10, 2011 9:57 AM

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Saber got told and Rider was awesome.
Because he was always awesome but Saber never knew. Well now she knows!

That Rider blush!

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Dec 10, 2011 10:10 AM

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Yeah that was awesome. Rider's noble phantasm was crazy and a lot of fun to watch. The quality drops are totally forgiven...they are a little disconcerting though..
 
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I think I finally found the best face of Irisviel in the following,

the perfect anger that is cute to see and not offensive but there is just something to it that I can't exactly put into words. The way it was shown. Anyway maybe it's just me who finds it that particular.

Waver shaking his hand while looking back at that very look of Irisviel was hilarious as heck as I checked that comedy segment despite it being very short.
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Dec 10, 2011 10:48 AM
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another awesome epi. i dont have any background on the fate series other than SN, and was wondering who was going to get killed first. I guess Assassins are dead? i thought it might be caster first.
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Are there going to be two courses of this? If not, it looks like they're going to have to jam a shitload of battles into the next two episodes, and that would be a shame. I haven't read the novels or played the games, only watched Fate/Stay Night, so I'm not really sure where this is going apart from there being an eventual, extremely epic fight between Saber and Gilgamesh.
 
Dec 10, 2011 10:49 AM

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in that split second when the Assassins got wine on Riders shirt i was like

wow... they are so gonna get f*cked
 
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Are there going to be two courses of this? If not, it looks like they're going to have to jam a shitload of battles into the next two episodes, and that would be a shame. I haven't read the novels or played the games, only watched Fate/Stay Night, so I'm not really sure where this is going apart from there being an eventual, extremely epic fight between Saber and Gilgamesh.

The series isn't even at the half-way point, yet. The total series will be 25 episodes in length, with the first 13 episodes being aired now, and the last 12 being aired in three months. But yeah, this episode more than made up for my disappointment with episode 10. It was great.
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Dec 10, 2011 11:00 AM

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Good episode,Rider is just a badass.

The animation was shitty this episode also i see they cut important parts to the plot,lets hope they show it in BD's but lets see.

Rider own this episode,his dialogue with Saber was amazing,he make Saber tremble but also discussion wise he trash her my poor Saber she suffer enough in her life to now get judge by Rider T_T

The discussion of how being King i must say i agree with both in some parts,but i agree more in Rider side you cant be 100% for the people if no you will be eaten one day by them you most be hard,greedy,tyrant but at same time noble,is hard to archive but that's the perfect king for me.

Its a shame they cut most of Gilga dialogues,specially he saying he will kill Rider,still he was enough badass to bring the wine with him.

Rider Noble Phantasm was probably the best of the whole episode,now that is a Reality Marble (learn Emiya Shiro!!!),his speech was amazing that almost make me want to be his soldier i will follow you to the death RIDER!!!

Hopefully next episode we get back to the same lvl of animation and hope they dont cut as much as they did this episode.

Btw epic Noble Phantasm is epic!


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Dec 10, 2011 11:13 AM

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Wow! That's a awesome noble phantasm. He is definitely a lot stronger than Rider in Fate/ Stay Night

I agree with Rider's opinion. Saber is just too harsh to herself.

 
Dec 10, 2011 11:34 AM

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after the boring last ep we are back on track.
 
Dec 10, 2011 11:35 AM
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Neliei said:
Wow! That's a awesome noble phantasm. He is definitely a lot stronger than Rider in Fate/ Stay Night


It's quite troublesome to speak in terms of strength in Fate, since each confront has numerous variables which affect the outcomes, so having a more awesome Noble Phantasm doesn't mean that much. The most obvious example of this is how Gilgamesh was defeated in the UBW route by an apparently inferior warrior. Actually, he WAS inferior, but the circumstances helped a lot.

Oh, and I really loved this episode... Although I couldn't resist the temptation and went ahead to read the novel first.
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Dec 10, 2011 11:36 AM

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great episode, man, it was totally epic!!
The 'meeting' with three epic kings was awesome by itself, but seeing rider's noble phantasm, is something beyond epicness!!!
LOL, at then totally annihilating the assassins, but what hit me the most, was how different all three kings' ideals were, and i think saber has been left mentally hurt...
anyways, can't wait for the next episode!!! XD
 
Dec 10, 2011 11:40 AM

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Rider with a big ass barrel of wine, epic. Those assassins pissed off Rider by getting wine on his white T. Too much greatness in this episode.
 
Dec 10, 2011 11:42 AM
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And so he was called, Alexander the GAR.

Loved this episode, but every now and then there were some quality...issues? Not sure what to make of them.

Also, I loved how there was no opening since there was so much crap to fit into this one episode. Great decision I'd say.
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Now that a servant is finally eliminated watch someone complain it was too sudden.

Good ep, liked the LN counterpart a bit more as usual, but hey this episode was still great.
 
Dec 10, 2011 11:52 AM
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Pretty sure those assassins were sent to die in hopes of seeing his Noble Phantasm. I mean when assassins make themselves known so boldly it seems pretty obvious.
 
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One down. Err, 40 down?

Great episode. I didn't really notice anything weird animation wise. Lot's of different camera angle and drinking faces, but I felt that it was how it was supposed to be. Sometimes they would keep their faces towards their drink, but still look towards someone, is that the weird eyes people are talking about?
 
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Pretty sure those assassins were sent to die in hopes of seeing his Noble Phantasm. I mean when assassins make themselves known so boldly it seems pretty obvious.
Exactly my thoughts. That's why Gilgamesh was acting the way he was. Most possibly due to Tokiomi's instructions whom Gilgamesh whom is not stupid enough to divulge them.

Furthermore I believe Gilgamesh does have a anti against Rider's Noble Phantasm or so I heard.

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I hate this episode so much. Why? They cut all the important parts, added with some of ridiculous directions to hide Sakuga Hokai. No, no you can't ufotable. You've ruined this episode, and you take the responsibility.

They cut just about everything that made this part climax + the most emotional part of first half. ufotable ruined both script + sakuga of this supposedly the most godly episode. There is no excuse.

Dropping down to 9. It really hit my head. My tinted glass is suddenly gone and now I see gigantic bubble.
 
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I want to see the rider versus archer battle that will be good.
 
Dec 10, 2011 12:27 PM

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I hate this episode so much. Why? They cut all the important parts, added with some of ridiculous directions to hide Sakuga Hokai. No, no you can't ufotable. You've ruined this episode, and you take the responsibility.

They cut just about everything that made this part climax + the most emotional part of first half. ufotable ruined both script + sakuga of this supposedly the most godly episode. There is no excuse.

Dropping down to 9. It really hit my head. My tinted glass is suddenly gone and now I see gigantic bubble.
Woah! I am not following you here, why is that so bad and what is Sakuga Hokai exactly?

I find the climax fine but guess that is because I lack the experience you had with what you mention so what is so amazing about Sakuga Hokai? I seriously cannot follow you and need more details of your claim.

BTW you do know that a #2 chance is available in the BDs. They sure can change that scene and make it better.
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Yumekichi11 said:
ringoo4 said:
I hate this episode so much. Why? They cut all the important parts, added with some of ridiculous directions to hide Sakuga Hokai. No, no you can't ufotable. You've ruined this episode, and you take the responsibility.

They cut just about everything that made this part climax + the most emotional part of first half. ufotable ruined both script + sakuga of this supposedly the most godly episode. There is no excuse.

Dropping down to 9. It really hit my head. My tinted glass is suddenly gone and now I see gigantic bubble.
Woah! I am not following you here, why is that so bad and what is Sakuga Hokai exactly?

I find the climax fine but guess that is because I lack the experience you had with what you mention so what is so amazing? I seriously cannot follow you and need more details of your claim.
Sakuga Hokai means when there is bad drawings - errors whatever in animation. They used tones of directions to reduce quality of sakuga without being to noticable, but it was obvious they are still there.

Now, I will tell you what part from the novel was cut;

-Gilgamesh's theory on king - CUT. This is supposed to KO Saber with her idealism, but that was not described properly.
-The reason for Assasin coming - CUT
-Rider and Gilgamesh teaming up - CUT
-Gilgamesh accepting Rider and saying he is going to kill him - CUT
-Proper reason for Rider trying to meet Saber - CUT

Before this episode:
-Most of caster part that is supposed to be in 10th episode - CUT
-Foreshadowing of Rider's hidden skill - ALL CUT
 
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My goodness. Rider was absolutely brilliant this episode.
 
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-watched Rider, Saber, and Gilgamesh calmly sit and drink together-
Lolwut? Is this a crack episode?
 
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I'm pretty sure most of us novel readers have come to expect the cuts by now, if you haven't then I guess you're in line for some more dissapointment.

Without comparing to the novel it was still a good episode, the only real flaw being the stupid drawing at certain points, mostly in the beginning of the episode. No idea what happened there.
 
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Gud ep.
 
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ringoo4 said:
First let me say to you GLORIOUS POST! Very well shows the missing stuff and now I wonder who else can post the details of the cut parts from the LN in details so I can savour them.

That being said IMO they want to milk the heck out in Vol 5 and 6 of this series. Because you know I am right that huge chunks will be changed and added. If they do add this stuff that you mention missing it will be worth anyone's $$$. Trust me I have yet to post Blood-C's BD gore and I confirmed something from the BDs of Working season that they did add scenes of extra in the BDs. So simply put I truly hope they will not fail in putting these parts in the BD if they don't then I am on your side for this.

So despair not till you really see it in the BDs provided you do have time in the future.

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ringoo4 said:
I hate this episode so much. Why? They cut all the important parts, added with some of ridiculous directions to hide Sakuga Hokai. No, no you can't ufotable. You've ruined this episode, and you take the responsibility.

They cut just about everything that made this part climax + the most emotional part of first half. ufotable ruined both script + sakuga of this supposedly the most godly episode. There is no excuse.

Dropping down to 9. It really hit my head. My tinted glass is suddenly gone and now I see gigantic bubble.


The episode will be probably be at least 30 mins in length for the blu-ray version. About half of the episode preview including Tokiomi and Kirei scene was cut for time and even the OP as well. Time constraints for tv broadcast suck but have to live with it.
 
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I'm pretty sure most of us novel readers have come to expect the cuts by now, if you haven't then I guess you're in line for some more dissapointment.

Without comparing to the novel it was still a good episode, the only real flaw being the stupid drawing at certain points, mostly in the beginning of the episode. No idea what happened there.


Plus many of the cut lines will be included in the BD release anyway (like Gilgamesh telling Rider that he'll kill him)
 
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Charliehsv said:
LostHanyou said:
I'm pretty sure most of us novel readers have come to expect the cuts by now, if you haven't then I guess you're in line for some more dissapointment.

Without comparing to the novel it was still a good episode, the only real flaw being the stupid drawing at certain points, mostly in the beginning of the episode. No idea what happened there.


Plus many of the cut lines will be included in the BD release anyway (like Gilgamesh telling Rider that he'll kill him)
Is it confirmed on the site of that or it's like hopes like I have?

Just wondering, because you sound like you are most certain about it.

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I was a bit annoyed with the cuts in this episode too but I'm still holding high hopes for the BD release.

Still, good episode and I especially liked how well Ionian Hetaroi was animated! 4/5
 
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Yumekichi11 said:
let me say to you GLORIOUS POST! Very well shows the missing stuff and now I wonder who else can post the details of the cut parts from the LN in details so I can savour them.

That being said IMO they want to milk the heck out in Vol 5 and 6 of this series. Because you know I am right that huge chunks will be changed and added. If they do add this stuff that you mention missing it will be worth anyone's $$$. Trust me I have yet to post Blood-C's BD gore and I confirmed something from the BDs of Working season that they did add scenes of extra in the BDs. So simply put I truly hope they will not fail in putting these parts in the BD if they don't then I am on your side for this.

So despair not till you really see it in the BDs provided you do have time in the future.
No. I'm not buying that. I'm not buying your reasoning, nor BD of this series. This episode was just so ruined in just about every aspect; Sakuga, direction, characterisation, script, plot development, emotional devices, foreshadowing, connections... Just everything. It is so bad, adding or changing stuffs can't do anything.

The thing is, 10th episode was glorious with loli Rin and original development. WTF. If they are going to do this, I would say, GO LEARN SHAFT.

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The episode will be probably be at least 30 mins in length for the blu-ray version. About half of the episode preview including Tokiomi and Kirei scene was cut for time and even the OP as well. Time constraints for tv broadcast suck but have to live with it.
I know the fact they are going to change in BD, more than everyone else. That doesn't changed the fact that they basically killed this episode. Cutting cannot be excuse of money. Episode itself - was - horrible shit.
 
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LostHanyou said:
I'm pretty sure most of us novel readers have come to expect the cuts by now, if you haven't then I guess you're in line for some more dissapointment.

Without comparing to the novel it was still a good episode, the only real flaw being the stupid drawing at certain points, mostly in the beginning of the episode. No idea what happened there.


Yeah, i was expecting some more epicness in this scene, except for the servants of Rider, Waver and the assassins, all the other characters were bad drawn,Especially Saber...
i can't believe in such a thing... anyway, good episode, but i will stay with the novel , the whole scene were better there, unfortunately.
 
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ringoo4 said:
Yumekichi11 said:
let me say to you GLORIOUS POST! Very well shows the missing stuff and now I wonder who else can post the details of the cut parts from the LN in details so I can savour them.

That being said IMO they want to milk the heck out in Vol 5 and 6 of this series. Because you know I am right that huge chunks will be changed and added. If they do add this stuff that you mention missing it will be worth anyone's $$$. Trust me I have yet to post Blood-C's BD gore and I confirmed something from the BDs of Working season that they did add scenes of extra in the BDs. So simply put I truly hope they will not fail in putting these parts in the BD if they don't then I am on your side for this.

So despair not till you really see it in the BDs provided you do have time in the future.
No. I'm not buying that. I'm not buying your reasoning, nor BD of this series. This episode was just so ruined in just about every aspect; Sakuga, direction, characterisation, script, plot development, emotional devices, foreshadowing, connections... Just everything. It is so bad, adding or changing stuffs can't do anything.

The thing is, 10th episode was glorious with loli Rin and original development. WTF. If they are going to do this, I would say, GO LEARN SHAFT.

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The episode will be probably be at least 30 mins in length for the blu-ray version. About half of the episode preview including Tokiomi and Kirei scene was cut for time and even the OP as well. Time constraints for tv broadcast suck but have to live with it.
I know the fact they are going to change in BD, more than everyone else. That doesn't changed the fact that they basically killed this episode. Cutting cannot be excuse of money. Episode itself - was - horrible shit.
Fine I will agree with you. They should have glorified less episode 10 and invest more in this one. That's all.

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Yumekichi11 said:
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I'm pretty sure most of us novel readers have come to expect the cuts by now, if you haven't then I guess you're in line for some more dissapointment.

Without comparing to the novel it was still a good episode, the only real flaw being the stupid drawing at certain points, mostly in the beginning of the episode. No idea what happened there.


Plus many of the cut lines will be included in the BD release anyway (like Gilgamesh telling Rider that he'll kill him)
Is it confirmed on the site of that or it's like hopes like I have?

Just wondering, because you sound like you are most certain about it.


It's confirmed, yes.
 
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Nice, philosophical episode. Saber really got owned by Rider, here. I think Rider's response is a pretty interesting way to take a second evaluation at all of the kings in history that we normally considered to be tyrants. Misunderstood by most, and that feeling of being naive forever gone when the kings realize they have to be more realistic.

The Assassins showing up was pretty cool too. When they spilled Rider's wine onto his favorite shirt, I was practically chanting at the screen for Rider to kill all those bastards. Looks like all of the Assassins got pwned, big time.

Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol.
 
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Fine I will agree with you. They should have glorified less episode 10 and invest more in this one. That's all.
Yes! That's the thing. They HAD opportunity to improve this episode. That's what kills me even more. They could've easily cut the original development of Loli Rin part and extend this episode much longer - that is really enough to make this part better. Well, they didn't. They even created bunch of Sakuga Hokai everywhere. That cannot be covered by any excuse when it is presented on the screen.
 
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ringoo4 said:

Now, I will tell you what part from the novel was cut;

-Gilgamesh's theory on king - CUT. This is supposed to KO Saber with her idealism, but that was not described properly.
-The reason for Assasin coming - CUT
-Rider and Gilgamesh teaming up - CUT
-Gilgamesh accepting Rider and saying he is going to kill him - CUT
-Proper reason for Rider trying to meet Saber - CUT

Before this episode:
-Most of caster part that is supposed to be in 10th episode - CUT
-Foreshadowing of Rider's hidden skill - ALL CUT

I actually read the novel about a month ago and I don't remember any of that stuff, other than the talk between Kotomine and Tokiomi. I'm pretty sure that Gilgamesh never teamed up with Rider against Assassin in the novel, either. Honestly, it's beginning to sound a bit like:

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LunarMoon said:
ringoo4 said:

Now, I will tell you what part from the novel was cut;

-Gilgamesh's theory on king - CUT. This is supposed to KO Saber with her idealism, but that was not described properly.
-The reason for Assasin coming - CUT
-Rider and Gilgamesh teaming up - CUT
-Gilgamesh accepting Rider and saying he is going to kill him - CUT
-Proper reason for Rider trying to meet Saber - CUT

Before this episode:
-Most of caster part that is supposed to be in 10th episode - CUT
-Foreshadowing of Rider's hidden skill - ALL CUT

I actually read the novel about a month ago and I don't remember any of that stuff, other than the talk between Kotomine and Tokiomi. I'm pretty sure that Gilgamesh never teamed up with Rider against Assassin in the novel, either. Honestly, it's beginning to sound a bit like:

Hurr durr. Mock better next time.
 
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