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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Now that Oberstein is in charge, it'll be interesting to see how he'll handle the situation. Even with everyone pissed off at him he still shows no signs of being phased at all. Rubinsky will probably fall out of the picture soon. I wonder if he even has any tricks left? |
 ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
| I swear I thought Bittenfeld was going to snap Oberstein when he jumped on him. |
| Im starting to like Oberstein more than I did before. |
HydraA said: Im starting to like Oberstein more than I did before. The best thing is that he is such a practical and realist guy, with an unique sense of morality and judgment. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I actually agree with Oberstein in a way, in his own way he is trying to do the right the. While I can't agree with the decision to use people as hostages, I can still see the greater good in a situation such as this. However, could this be the bargaining chip Julian was looking for? |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
HydraA said: Im starting to like Oberstein more than I did before. Me too he is somehow right in what he says |
| yea, he's right in a lot of ways. Like he was back when he destroyed a whole planet just so Reinhard would win against the nobles 2 months earlier then he would have normally. And like back when he got Kircheies killed. :S I like how he's back in action thought. For me, he's one of those characters that you just love to hate :P |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone β has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash β together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.β - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
HydraA said: Im starting to like Oberstein more than I did before. haha +1.. hi's villain character is kinda entertaining and unique XD eyerok said: And like back when he got Kircheies killed. :S wat? i forgot about the incident.. what had Oberstein with kirchies death ? o_O |
| In a certain way, he killed him. Not directly, but it's heavily implied that he has acted in order to obtain this result. Remember, during the incident when the planet has been atomised (don't remember what was its name, it's been quite a long time...) Oberstein acted on his own and let it happened. As his superior, Reinhard had to took the all responsability which lead to an argument with Kircheis. Upsetted, Reinhard finally decided to follow Oberstein's advice and stopped to offer some privileges to Kircheis. One of them was to authorized him to hold a gun during the reunions between admirals. If Kircheis was authorized to have it as usual, it's almost sure he wouldn't have died. Oberstein was actually the first to draw benefits from his death, plus from the very beginning of the serie he thought of Kircheis as a threat for the Empire and for Reinhard. The end justifies the means. |
KatuaFeb 5, 2010 4:27 PM
| ^tnx mate. everything is clear now) |
| It would be a lie to say I didn't get anything out from this episode. For once I got to see Bittenfeld do something that I approve, and that was nearly beating the hell out of Oberstein. Unfortunately, I agree with Oberstein's tactic of pursuing a prisoner trade for Iserlohn. Little to no lives lost and very anti-Goldenbaum. It's unfortunate though in the way Oberstein handled his words, and because of it he ended up on the bad sides of Bittenfeld, Muller, and Whalen. Also, I finally got one of my questions answered: Did Annerose love Siegfried? Yes! Though I already got the feeling she did after the first season, I was hoping to see in one form or another how she felt about him. It may have taken 77 episodes for this answer, but it was worth it to say the least. |
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DeadBonesBrook said: Also, I finally got one of my questions answered: Did Annerose love Siegfried? Yes! Though I already got the feeling she did after the first season, I was hoping to see in one form or another how she felt about him. It may have taken 77 episodes for this answer, but it was worth it to say the least. I thought it was kinda obvious back when Reinhard asked Annerose if she loved kircheies, her reaction said it all |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone β has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash β together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.β - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
eyerok said: I thought it was kinda obvious back when Reinhard asked Annerose if she loved kircheies, her reaction said it all I know, same here, but I still needed that last nail in the coffin to confirm it. |
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| Oberstein seriously pisses me off. Always did. Kinda feel bad for him, but still, I think he is a morally bankrupt walking corpse, his excuses aside. eyerok said: yea, he's right in a lot of ways. Like he was back when he destroyed a whole planet just so Reinhard would win against the nobles 2 months earlier then he would have normally. And like back when he got Kircheies killed. :S I like how he's back in action thought. For me, he's one of those characters that you just love to hate :P XD So true. So true. He's such a well written character that plays on so many emotions. One second it's for the viewer to hate him, the next to feel some sympathy for his past and for adding more hate to the hate he already has. |
aixelsydMay 12, 2010 10:51 PM
| Well, Oberstein always acts somehow reasonable and for the good of the empire (and not for Reinhard as a person, that's what I like about him. He's the only one who does this for the sake of a "better" empire and not for Reinhard alone) but he REALLY could make more of an effort to be understood by other and to not seem totally antagonistic. I guess he just likes to be hated.. And I didn't expect to Rubinsky to go down like this. I hope he'll have a different ending. Sickness always sucks :/ |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Oberstein's manners are so far from Reuenthal or other fleet admirals sense of honor. though, everything he said is so logical, as he was thinking as a computer, and leaves no room for debate. His ideas seemed definitely more efficient in order to defeat former FPA.. Bittenefeld was quite amusing whenever he bad-mouthed of Obertein or talked about his familial tradition. Things are really getting interesting, as this was completely unexpected. the only thing i didn't understand was one part of the discussion between Hilda and Annerose. what did Hilda meant when she said that maybe it was the denouement that Annerose wished for, after Annerose talked about her love for Kircheis (but did she really talked about it or just dreamt?) |
| I thought Bittenfeld will kill Oberstein..but Oberstein was right nevertheless,that tactic is a bit lame by the fact there'll be no war,but still people will not die 4/5 |
Sayonara,papa! "Just how a mirror reflects you,people will also reflect your heart." ~Athena Glory,Aria "Whatever happens,happens" ~Spike Spiegel's thoughts on dying(Cowboy Bebop) |
| Kick him out of the carriage, eh? X) I love Bittenfeld, he has the best lines in the series. |
| How can people hate Oberstein? This guy is hilarious! He is exactly like Lunge! |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Oberstein was so badass in this episode. He's the only Imperial guy I like. He's the only who thinks outsides of pride Ruenthal,Reinhard...and thinks about the millions of soldier who are sacrificed. |
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SuperSaiyen said: Oberstein was so badass in this episode. He's the only Imperial guy I like. He's the only who thinks outsides of pride Ruenthal,Reinhard...and thinks about the millions of soldier who are sacrificed. This. |
| I have to take Oberstein's side with this one, even though taking hostage's maybe shameful, what he says is true...i am somewhat starting to like him now ^^ |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: Well, Oberstein always acts somehow reasonable and for the good of the empire (and not for Reinhard as a person, that's what I like about him. He's the only one who does this for the sake of a "better" empire and not for Reinhard alone) but he REALLY could make more of an effort to be understood by other and to not seem totally antagonistic. I guess he just likes to be hated.. And I didn't expect to Rubinsky to go down like this. I hope he'll have a different ending. Sickness always sucks :/ Completely agree. He could do more to make himself look better instead of having others antagonize him. I like him a lot and I'm disappointed so few characters like him in the show. Reinhard praised him once for backing up the space coordinate system, was the only time I saw anyone really liking him. He was my favorite character the first time I saw him. Sigh. haha. |
| God, Another Oberstein worshiper. Jeez... :P |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone β has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash β together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.β - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| Machiavelli, I mean Oberstien stole the show this episode. Like how he played Bittenfeld so well too. |
HydraA said: Im starting to like Oberstein more than I did before. I've always like him. Can't believe most people think of him as the "villain" Haha they are in for a surprise |
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| If the Kaiser goes forward with this plan, it'll be like Westerland all over again. Not as serious, but it'll leave the same bad aftertaste. In that case, Oberstein might have been morally right too- but most people disagreed. Even Reinhard hated himself for it afterwards. Still, with Reinhard's health deteriorating, I don't know how it'll play out! Nearly there now. |
"A detoxified Akihabara would just be another electronic town!"  |
 The whole universe hates Oberstein. Lol! Haha, Oberstein was about to be beaten to death probably! Poor man, he needs to find a woman xD. But i agree with him. Pride is a good thing. Everyone has it but don't do reckless things because of it. |
| I have to agree with Oberstein, if you can avoid such a conflict, may as well do it. |
Fritz Joseph Bittenfeld said: There's a tradition in the Bittenfeld family! When you praise someone, you do it loudly; when you denounce someone, you do it even louder! And another piece of the puzzle falls into place. I would seriously love to see Bittenfeld's father raising him as a child. |
| Why does everybody suddenly like Oberstien? I maybe in the minority on this, but Oberstien seems to me like nothing but a big hypocrite who only wants to find the easy and cowardly way out. He's the one responsible for two million deaths in Westerland just for the sake of public opinion because it was also the easy way out, now he suddenly has the nerve to use soldier's deaths in war as an excuse for his cowardly actions? He's full of shit. |
HatulSep 11, 2012 1:13 AM
| Well I did want to say many things, but have you guys did.. In the conclusion : THAT WAS EPIC ! |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| Holy...Oberstein basically destroyed the three admirals and criticized the Kaiser so non-chalantly in five minutes that I was expecting Bittenfeld to just flat out murder him. More happened in one scene than in 3 episodes at other times. This was great, I don't like Oberstein or agree with him, but as a character he is a nice change of pace. 5/5. Wonder what Rubinsky is up to, seems like he could die at any second... |
| The once-fat Rubinsky is now thin to bones. LMAO Oberstein obnoxiously retorted Bittenfeld (and Muller, Wahlen) to the point Bittenfeld got mad and tackled him! Oberstein, you're so AWESOME! |
| Hrmmm . . . There has to be more to the plan, I mean the lives lost won't be less using his strategy, since I'm sure probably just as many will be killed in riots all across their territory over using such an underhanded tactic. |
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| This series is so unrealistic at times, Bittenfeld can just assault a superior and not land in a jail cell? I know this is an anime but c'mon... |
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gswelcome said: This series is so unrealistic at times, Bittenfeld can just assault a superior and not land in a jail cell? I know this is an anime but c'mon... Well, Bittenfeld was placed under house arrest after all for his action, so he didn't exactly go scot free. Don't forget that Bittenfeld himself is a high-ranking personnel (just one rank lower than Oberstein) that is under the direct command of Reinhard, so they can't just simply toss him into a jail cell (unless he committed some heinous crime which is not in this case) |
| "Maybe I should have thrown a stone at him or something." <-- gold. But this episode made me like Oberstein. He's saving lives here and he doesn't give a shit about what you think of him. I'm happy that unlike the rest of the Empire, he doesn't worship Reinhard. He won't make decisions out of pride either. |
| Nice. I always felt that in the end Oberstein is not a bad guy, he's just awkward at interacting with humans. That amazing pride and honor of war of the imperial admirals is indeed great to look at, but just as Oberstein said, is not the correct way to LEAD A COUNTRY. Times have to change. One unifies country in war. But one doesn't lead a country after that war. Sadly, because Oberstein opposes kaiser, he probably will be killed or something. :/ SuperSaiyen said: Oberstein was so badass in this episode. He's the only Imperial guy I like. He's the only who thinks outsides of pride Ruenthal,Reinhard...and thinks about the millions of soldier who are sacrificed. This is the only reason why I like alliance more. The ideals of the Galactic empire sound great, but if you think about them, they are very cruel. |
cupcApr 27, 2014 1:06 AM
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| Oberstein may be the most multi-faceted character in the show, in close competition with Reuenthal. He definitely is the most shady, and is borderline evil, no matter what logic and sanity his decisions and ploys have. It can't be denied that he basically killed Kircheis, and was happy with his death. No one in the show was portrayed as more loyal and just than Kircheis, so being at the least an accessory to his death is a big deal. Very interesting scenes here. Oberstein was clearly baiting the admirals and in particular Bittenfeld. While most of his points were largely true, he clearly wanted the result he got. High Admiral Bittenfeld's punishment is actually way too extreme in my opinion, even though he is technically 1 rank below Fleet Admiral Oberstein. Those that think the punishment should have been harsher are hopeless. |
| Oberstein, you loveable bastard. You know right thing to do even if it isn't right. Too bad that might get you some problems. Reinhard might not like about the way Oberstain talked about him. |
| I really like Oberstein's reasoning and personality, but unfortunately he's really one-dimensional. |
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| If Oberstein had more social skills than a garden pond he'd probably have every other character wrapped round his little finger. |
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HydraA said: Im starting to like Oberstein more than I did before. This is the first time I liked Oberstein. |
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| Oberstein is such a dick lol. |
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| Oberstein, the man reasonable and one of the best character. Pretty good episode. |
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