| It's another case of anitubers being late to the party but wanting something they think will generate clicks I suggest we stop calling them anitubers and refer to them by the more appropriate phrase "Plague of Locusts pretending to be human beings, or Plpbhb for a briefer and easier way of saying it real answer is no btw, often times it's something that's reliant on exaggeration and very superficial ways of trying to assert guilt by association, and if we remove these types of accusations then it's not prominent enough to warrant the level of outrage and attention it receives |
ManabanOct 19, 2019 12:14 AM
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| because anime fans like everything they complain about complain about a problem that is no longer a problem now, elitist obviously did exist... like 10 yrs ago now anitubers also need a problem for people to stand against cause otherwise, people will realise anitubers liek gigguk, mb and others are full of shit so what do you do recreate an enemy of old and fearmonger them as the greatest enemy you have ever faced deflect all the communities hatred to them real reason: you just explained it lol its like 100(and maybe like 20-30 that are vocal) in the current community and to them, the idea of it is replusive so even if its a small minority you gotta make videos and videos of it (no people who shite on seasonal rightfully are not actual elitist, they're just shitheads, 2 different things) |
| Hottest Take Ever, fite me: Fairy Tail is better than Seiya, Bungou Stray and Hitman Reborn |
| Threat? No. Annoying? Yes. I hesitate to call this fearmongering (most cases don't appear so at least), so it seems it's pretty much just the anitubers using their opinions on the matter for content. Even when they say things like elitists are ruining anime I doubt they actually mean it, content creators have learned about the fact that they have to exaggerate their claims to get clicks and views. People aren't going to click on a video that seems to just be someone voicing their distaste for elitism, but they'll probably be more compelled if they're lead to believe it's actually some huge epidemic plaguing the community. |
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| As if people would be easily swayed by some obnoxious handful of miscreants, they just want to talk shit about them to gain popularity, because it's such a popular topic, and would easily gain them click bait material. I'd say anitubers are a bigger threat if anything, since they have a bigger platform, and really, can be a dick too. |
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| No they're not. First up, people dont really get what the fuck Elitist even means. For most people, anyone who criticizes anime with at least decent reasoning is an elitist, which is simply bullshit. I dunno how many people Ive seen call me an elitist cause I said that, for example, an anime had bad characters, with reasoning. But nope, apparently, anime are perfect and cannot be criticized. But other than that, yes, people who shit on anime for no fucking reason at all are annoying. Also people who think that taste can be good or bad. Taste is just taste. Dunno if those two categories would count as elitists. I personally think it refers more to people who analyze anime REALLY deeply, have extremely high standards and are also dicks to everyone who they consider a normie |
SunBro26Oct 19, 2019 12:44 AM
| More annoying tbh. But it also hypocritical that Youtubers like the Anime-Man shit on Elitist while he kinda acts like one sometimes. |
| what did anime elitist even do or contribute to anime industry besides thinking they have greater taste? absolutely nothing |
| "Elitists" exist in every medium, but only anime fans constantly bitch and moan about them, because the fandom is filled with children who get easily butthurt when someone criticizes their favorite anime or makes fun of their taste. |
| Well yes, but actually no. -------- |
AkaneManiac said: Well yeah, Id say there are multiple types to elitists, with the common trait being that they are absolute dicks to everyone they come across, and also believe in the whole good taste, bad taste thing, with their own taste being the best one of course. One type would be the classic 'retrofags' (lol) who think that post-19XX or 20XX anime just cant be good and are inherently bad (Although they are countered by the people who refuse to watch anime older than a certain year. Both sides are retards imo). Another type Ive seen is people who analyze anime and break it apart at the quantum level. Like, they'd pause anime frame by frame to see everything that's happening. Of course, not all people in this category would be Elitists. Id say only those ones count who dig so deep and find flaws ONLY for the sake of shitting on the anime.SunBro26 said: No they're not. First up, people dont really get what the fuck Elitist even means. For most people, anyone who criticizes anime with at least decent reasoning is an elitist, which is simply bullshit. I dunno how many people Ive seen call me an elitist cause I said that, for example, an anime had bad characters, with reasoning. But nope, apparently, anime are perfect and cannot be criticized. Idk for others but for me an elitist is someone who thinks himself a higher lifeform and looks down on others based on taste. They are also obnoxious trolls looking only to portray themselves as smarter for enjoying exquisitely obscure retro anime while with all effort shitting on new anime, or at least the very popular ones. In both ways ruining and giving a bad name to actual retro lovers and modern watchers alike with their cancerous behavior. They also seems like drones to me, never liking more than the select established big brain shows, or going out of their comfort zone to experience something different and controversial from fear to not come off as plebs to their validation crowd. Also the whole criticism thing has a time and a place. Ofc I don't know your circumstances when these event happened to you, but if you bring criticism not where it is wanted or out of the blue people are bond to mistake and react strongly against. I must admit many in the anime community are still young adults and can mistake actual criticism for an attack against them or hate. This must be clarified bu the critic himself and not spiked for laughs. Genuine elitist take pleasure perfectly understanding what they are doing in making others feel bad for what they enjoy. At least that is what I see it... And as for the example I mentioned, thats not something Ive seen rarely or very few times. Its pretty much everywhere I go. Ive spent a good 4-ish years snooping around anime related forums and servers, and one thing I commonly see is that any person with logical criticism gets the label. Now of course, the definition of the word itself would very from person to person, but I still dont think the bar should be set THAT low. Edit: Overall, I still dont think of them as a threat of even that annoying, cause true elitists are reaaallllyyyy rare to come by. |
| Them anime youtubers wanna make views so they invented this crap. Even if "elitists" are shiting about anime, it's not their problem to defend said anime. Remember, if they put on an ad, they are evil. At least some "elitists" made fantranslations back in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. These youtubers make vids like: I love this anime because it's popular, so I'm gonna talk about it in a way so that I won't say anything of importance. |
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OnionKnightRises said: Basically this.Threat? No. Annoying? Yes. They're just people with obnoxious (or obnoxiously-presented) opinions on the internet. That's all. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| not really but you shit on them, means you becoming one of them. simple as that |
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| well elites are only few in numbers obviously since only few people can reach the top lol like those global elites or the 1% in real life that have a lot of political and social power so maybe some of this elitists are like that but the only elitist i can think of right now on youtube is ThatAnimeSnob and he has few subscribers only so he is harmless |
| Elitism has never been a threat, but is sure irksome. AkaneManiac said: Like there are 20 videos + on YouTube made by butthurt Anitubers shitting on these guys ... and I'm like thinking to myself 'tell me who hurt you bby, everything will be ok'. But seriously why are they such a big deal? They are like 10 extremely vocal people or so in a pot of 100 0000+ anime fans. Talk about fighting a lost battle. Discuss! Firstly, why would u watch anitubers? They are superficial pseudo-intellectuals who find censuring to be a pleasure. Many even are demagogues of this platform. Secondly, I don't seem to really discern what you meant by "threat". Do you mean like are they threat to the ambience of this community? If so, then they have always existed, so you can't really claim that they will cause some severe phenomena. On top of that, there are way worse individuals with deteriorated ideologies in this medium for elitism to be called a threat. |
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AkaneManiac said: Preachee said: Elitism has never been a threat, but is sure irksome. Firstly, why would u watch anitubers? They are superficial pseudo-intellectuals who find censuring to be a pleasure. Many even are demagogues of this platform. Secondly, I don't seem to really discern what you meant by "threat". Do you mean like are they threat to the ambience of this community? If so, then they have always existed, so you can't really claim that they will cause some severe phenomena. On top of that, there are way worse individuals with deteriorated ideologies in this medium for elitism to be called a threat. I watch the popular ones for the lol's and their cringe. Otherwise I prefer following specific anime series channels which analyze my favorite anime and so. The general consensus is that elitist put off/scare away other people from becoming anime fans and make the environment toxic or smt... although this makes me wonder what about hardcore delusional fanboys who go on sending death threats whenever their fave ship doesn't become canon or smt. Yea exactly, there are categories for the worse when you compare with elitists. But about your concern, I don't think that elitists could gain the ability to scare off new fans, like what could they possibly do? At most I think is some seemingly clever scorning with expressions full of contempt, but even such would probably make only a few upset. And the thing is the inevitable toxicity is merely annoying, but not frightening. If you ask me, death threats are some literal threats to be concerned. |
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| Yes, of course. They murderer people with a bad taste. Ah, wait. They don't... so not. |
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| Are Anime Elitists really such a big joke*? Yes, they are. |
| Naw, I think it's pretty sad if they genuinely think they're superior in any way because of their taste in anime though. That's like me thinking I'm better than others just because I stay off facebook and twitter. |
| They aren't a danger because it's not like they're going to destroy the industry as we know it, but they're really irritating and make our community look toxic and immature to outsiders which can cause some people to lump us all with them just for enjoying the same medium. |
| A treasure the color of the rainbow, the color of happiness |
| I have a few points: -Anitubers like Mother´s Basement tend to be worst than elitists, because they do whatever for clicks. So people on the internet making a big deal are just going for the easy click - easy money kind of videos. -Elitists are most likely relevant only to newbies on the media that get offended by people that trash on shows that they like. Usually the only people complaining about elitism are Black Clover, Fairy Tail, Dragon Ball and so-on fans. -And finally, people get triggered by elitism because "your opinion is not the same as mine, so you can´t make yours more relevant than mine and If I like something makes it good". People care too much about others opinion, and what´s worse is that those people just can´t imagine a world where people have taste. The fact that you like shit doesn´t mean the show is not shit, just deal with it and you will be fine. |
| And how is a weeaboo, the pasty-faced, vitamin D deficient or the jobless and penniless stubborn jackass living in his momma's basement a threat to society? Just leave these "elitists" be and let them grow old, bald, fat or weak then rot in the basement while the rest of the world have fun outside in the sun as well as taking cool trips and having a good time in amusement parks. My new motto now is go outside or die. Oh! and vitamin D deficiency will take a toll on your life expectancy. Now excuse me while I go walk like a mack daddy out in the sun with my shades on. |
Kurt_IrvingOct 19, 2019 1:02 PM
| Tbh I don't even understand what anyone's talking about anymore. > Elitist? Are we talking about some facade of superiority presented through specific shows an individual likes, or people who go out of their way to defend why those specific shows are "greater" than anything else, thus undermining the opinions of others with "inferior" taste? I've been pretty active in the MAL community over this past year, and not once have I had someone come and deliberately bash my taste, nor have I ever gone out of my way to talk shit about others. However, if you were to base the concept of "elitism" solely on particular shows a person likes without understanding their stance or even giving them the benefit of the doubt as an individual, then I guess I'm just like any other elitist who likes stuff like Aria, Yuasa and Satoshi Kon's works. I consider myself to be fairly critical, but that's only for my own sake at the end of the day. If someone likes shit I utterly despise and vice versa, awesome. I'm glad we have different opinions, cause it'd be pretty fucking boring if everyone liked the same stuff. The bottom line is that this whole "elitism" thing is a dead horse that has been beaten so far into the ground that it's hardly even recognizable anymore. If anyone out there is trying to flex on you or say your taste is shit, just ignore them... they aren't worth your time. As for these Anitubers, fuck them too. They're just throwing around buzzwords and stirring up entirely unnecessary drama in a community that already partakes in a niche enough hobby. These Anitubers are basically blowing very minor issues way out of proportion and creating problems that never even existed to begin with. |
GreyleafOct 19, 2019 6:28 PM
 "I am not sure that I exist, actually. I am all the writers that I have read, all the people that I have met, all the women that I have loved; all the cities I have visited." β Jorge Luis Borges [url=]Goodreads[/url] | [url=]Letterboxd[/url] |
| Gatekeepers are the problem. You're keeping people from trying something out and deciding for themselves whether or not they like a work, all because you want to maintain your little echochamber that praises a work wholeheartedly. You can't handle people criticizing your favorite show/movie/book/game/whatever, so you try to force them to like it by making them replicate the way you consumed the work "you have to do it this way in this order to understand it/get the most enjoyment!"). You'd rather drive people away than take the chance. |
Valyrian1124 said: Gatekeepers are the problem. You're keeping people from trying something out and deciding for themselves whether or not they like a work, all because you want to maintain your little echochamber that praises a work wholeheartedly. You can't handle people criticizing your favorite show/movie/book/game/whatever, so you try to force them to like it by making them replicate the way you consumed the work "you have to do it this way in this order to understand it/get the most enjoyment!"). You'd rather drive people away than take the chance. I agree with you 100% Plus in their case they are gonna get views regardless |
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| Most people you see get called "elitists" aren't even elitist. At their worst, some of them can come off as closet snobs but even still, ironically a lot of those who cry "elitist" tend to exhibit the very same traits they apply onto the "elitist" stereotype except without the starter pack favorites such as Evangelion, Ergo Proxy, Texhnolyze, Haibane Renmei, and LOGH. The people doing so aren't the anitubers or anime reviewers, but your average fan in most cases, and even then, only the fanboys and fangirls who white knight their titles to death, which is an issue with...any fanbase ever. Sure, it does seem like your average anime fan or reviewer on this site seems a bit more critical than in the days of yore, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing (even if a lot of the views people pick up from anitubers tend to be more surface-level criticisms used to dismantle SAO instead of deeper and more complex criticisms that would damage say, Re:Zero, as they require more critical thinking and further understanding about storytelling and the medium in which the story is being told than what the average fan tends to have). There's a reason I call this "the elitist myth", cuz that kind of boogeyman barely exists in the form they describe it while the people who force it to exist often embody every trait but the one arbitrary, outdated qualifier they use as their primary determiner. Resentful fans putting others down for disliking the shows they like or liking shows they dislike are common, tho, and that's nowhere near enough to ruin everything for everyone (outside of people condemning MAL forums). So no. |
CodeBlazeFateOct 19, 2019 8:06 PM
| Being wrong is just an occupational hazard. Follow me on twitter. I have an anitube channel so feel free to check it out and subscribe if you like what you see. |
| one bad apple spoils the whole barrel i just remember that saying a moment ago so if you believe there is truth to that saying then it might apply here |
BasicallyAnybody said: The presence of elitists is as relevant as the presence of people who have bad taste, irrelevant. They are not a danger because if anyone just disagrees with them usually they just ignore them. What partly is a good reaction but only if they are just shitting on everything instead of trying to bring valid points to the discusion. Being realist, what could be a threat for a community like this? I can't think of any example. That's a good question, and I think it comes down to what counts as a theat. There are certainly attitudes make the community a less enjoyable place to be. They aren't threatening the existence of the community, though... maybe in a way they are threatening the community as it is now, by bringing unwanted change. I wasn't around at the time, but I hear about how the community was in the 2000s and I wish I was a fan then. One could argue that the influx of fans with tastes that changed the landscape of anime, in a way, 'destroyed' the community. The moe boom didn't die down for no reason, it's tied to directly to changing tastes and the tastes of new fans. I think that's why we get so many "elitists" that focus on taste. Because of course the community is going to be more enjoyable if there are more with a similar taste. And also people recognize that the taste of the fans has an effect on what anime gets made. I actively participated in the recent #BringBackGatekeeping hastag on Twitter because we were trying to send a message to the people who call anime sexist for the way it celebrates youthful feminine beauty and call anime fans pedos for liking anime girls under 18... those people are a massive threat to both the community and anime as a whole. And if I'm elitist for not wanting them in the social space built around my hobby, then so be it. That leads me to my other point, which is not going to be popular, that I think some kinds of elitism are good. And not just the gatekeeping kind to keep out toxic elements that want to change anime that I mention above. How to put this... if there was no one who genuinely thought x, y, and z anime were better than all other anime, and they beleived it as an objecive fact, then the only anime to get elevated and receive praise would be popular anime. I don't necessarily believe in objective quality, but I think it's useful concept. I like that there are some anime which are held up in a way which is reverent of them and treats them as "high art". That kind of thing is always going to carry a certain amount of elitism because it carries the notion that there is such a thing as good and bad taste. It's like how the Oscars or any other award ceremony are fundamentally elitist, but they're still exciting if one is big in to movies. I always enjoy anime awards, be it the r/anime awards or Crunchyroll or just some rando YouTube channel. There's something fun about arguing over what is the best anime as though it's an objective thing, even if it isn't. It only becomes toxic when people are overly harsh in putting down other anime. But we can be better than that. We can raise up certain anime without putting down others... right? We can do that? Ah. Well, nevermind then lol. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| influencers is also the word for youtubers or other social media personalities i just remember now im just gonna say again that "one bad apple spoils the whole barrel" at times and it shows how bad influence is a powerful thing especially in the age of the internet where its easy to spread your thoughts/opinions but ye for now i do not see any harm (yet) on even the most toxic elitist influencer like ThatAnimeSnob |
| It's 2019 and people still talking about elitist? Elitist are endanger species. |
| There's only a hand full of elitists left. People who watched anime before we got showered with the ample opportunity to watch every anime we want to watch at any time possible. These people are endangered and we should keep them alive. |
| I don't know, it's rather difficult to feel threatened by something that doesn't exist. |
| Most "anime elitists" are just out of touch boomers. But still, people should be allowed to criticize popular stuff without being called an elitist or contrarian. |
| I see 1000x more people talking about elitists than actual elitists, so no, I guess not. |
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