More reasons why some animes are never dubbed.

KiraraFan said:
Some companies will region lock each and every episode after its air date, and will always decline the offer for a dub in any other language than the original.

Lucifrost said:

Can you provide any proof that this has ever happened?

KiraraFan said:
Sometimes the original creators, animators, and producers of these animes hate seeing their hard effort work get dubbed into other languages, especially western languages.

Mirai said:
Please tell me which creators don't want their anime dubbed in "western languages". The only one I've heard of is Nasu not wanting his VNs to be translated, but the anime still got dubbed lol

Zettaiken said:
Oh so we should ban dubbing, covers and everything cause someone put an effort, like dub voice actors are also putting their hard efforts on it and what does an animator have to dubbing? Dubbing are not replacing the animaiton only the voice acting so compare it to seiyuu's, not including here what countries are having locks, language barrier is not an issue if you have good proffesional translators available in country.

So far with new dubs in Polish I actually prefered Polish than Japanese in Cyberpunk and Romantic Killer, better fit voices and carried it better than JP [Especially Gloria Martinez, Lucyna Kushinada, Riri and Anzu Hoshino, way better than Japanese]. Can't say for English dubs as I am not a native-speaker and I am not interested in non-Polish dubs as they are unwatchable for me. Aswell as I prefer the Dub covers for Belle songs which Daria Zawiałow simply rekted everyone else.

In my case it is not a matter of choice but of availability, seeing officially dubbed in Polish anime is like finding a rare gem, not to mention that legal anime [with Polish subs, I don't care how many English are available no one is interested in paying for anime not available in your own native language] are not that available here x). Btw if some original creators of Cyberpunk are from Poland and is partially made by Polish company than it means that not only Japanese but also Polish are "original languages" of that anime, afterall it was made by companies from 2 countries, not to mention the Mike's Pondsmith so we might also consider English for being a 3rd original language here. And if some animators are not Japanese and working in Japanese anime studio than what about their hard effort? Maybe they would like to see their own product in their native languge afterall they've put some hard effort into creating process for example this guy -> https://myanimelist.net/people/39325/Mateusz_Urbanowicz , than why there is no Your Name in Polish Dubbing? Didn't he put any efforts?

That's why there should be more reasons to always dub anime not never, especially that as a consumer it is your own choice to watch it originally or dubbed, no matter if in official/illegal sites or even in cinema theathers. Never heard/searched if really some creators are against it dubbing... Now Kakegurui has a reason for me to rewatch cause somehow it got dubbed in Polish x), another hidden gem. Compared to old dubs from tv in Polish the nowadays are pleasure to hear... The old dubs were so disgusting that it hurts in ears the only good thing from back than was a Polish opening for Shaman King, way better than original.




I hope someday It will become for me a choice, not a rarity sight.

KiraraFan said:
Sometimes the original creators, animators, and producers of these animes hate seeing their hard effort work get dubbed into other languages, especially western languages. Some companies will region lock each and every episode after its air date, and will always decline the offer for a dub in any other language than the original. This applies best with language barrier animes, as well loads of Slice of Life, CGDCT, Comedy, or any iyashikei anime where it is about japanese people going overseas into foreign countries, and experiencing different cultures and languages, and multilingual animes.

So some anime are never dubbed because of the original producers decision to pass on the offer, language barrier, and Region lock episodes after air date.

here is a cute picture collage of Alice-chan from Kinmoza.


Syaro slaps Kokoa

Mirai said:


Please tell me which creators don't want their anime dubbed in "western languages". The only one I've heard of is Nasu not wanting his VNs to be translated, but the anime still got dubbed lol

KiraraFan said:
Sometimes the original creators, animators, and producers of these animes hate seeing their hard effort work get dubbed into other languages, especially western languages.

tchitchouan said:
The Japanese producers don't want to have their work tarnished by some lower quality dub.

Nurguburu said:
Dubbing isn't even popular among the anime community.

Nurguburu said:
The original is always the superior and better version. Dubbing isn't even popular among the anime community.

rohan121 said:
I think the biggest reason for lacking dubs is controversial content like Mitsudomoe, Kokomo no Jikan, Oreimo, Eromanga Sensei, ect.

KiraraFan said:
Sometimes the original creators, animators, and producers of these animes hate seeing their hard effort work get dubbed into other languages, especially western languages.

ChouunShiryuu said:

Probably different distributors and copyright holders in different places so he might mean that, luci-dono. So uploaders cant be acting as distributors in other places where others have license to air and distribute that show.

Zalis said:
It almost always comes down to money concerns or technical problems. In the wake of the late-00s market crash, US distributors stopped dubbing everything and started releasing some titles sub-only. They realized that dubbing usually brought in more audience and generated more sales, but for many releases, the extra sales from dubbing weren't enough to recover the costs of dubbing. So rather than take a loss by dubbing a marginal title, they'd release it sub-only -- they wouldn't sell as much, but the lower costs involved allowed them to be profitable. A title having niche appeal and being difficult to adapt just makes the sub-only decision all the easier.

On the technical front, you often see cases where the "Music & Effects" audio tracks are non-existent, lost, or damaged, especially with older anime from ~1995 or earlier. Without those, dubbing companies can't record new VA performances and mix them with the original background music and sound effects to create a foreign-language dub. That doesn't make dubbing strictly impossible, but it does make it too expensive and difficult to be worthwhile most of the time. However, it has been done -- for the original Bubblegum Crisis 2033 OVA, AnimEigo didn't have M&E tracks available, but they actually did recreate the sound effects and rescore the anime from CD soundtracks.



Does this actually happen on anything resembling a routine basis, or are you just projecting your own biases onto the Japanese producers/creators?

While yes, KinMoza has language-barrier issues that would make dubbing awkward and difficult, it belongs to that realm of CGDCT/Slice-of-Life shows that generally don't get dubbed anyway. See also: Hidamari Sketch, Is The Order a Rabbit, YuYuShiki, A-Channel, Yuru Yuri, Non Non Biyori, etc. Those shows tend to appeal only to the hardcore part of the anime viewerbase, that either doesn't like or doesn't need dubbing to enjoy them.

I don't know why dub detractors get so worked up about counterfactual dubs (i.e. dubs that don't exist, never existed, and were never even planned to exist) having imaginary "ruinous" effects on a particular anime.


Step out of the hardcore bubble sometime; the long autograph lines and packed panel rooms for dub VAs at anime conventions say otherwise. The sub-purist/dub-hating contingent has always been a vocal minority, even going back to the VHS era when the dubbed tapes sold at cheaper prices than the subbed tapes, despite costing more to produce -- there was a greater market for the more-popular dubbed versions.

KiraraFan said:
first off do you even know how a seiyuu became who they are, because voice acting in japan is the most competitive job ever, almost like a military camp level competitiveness, luckily there are 130 voice acting schools all over japan, and these schools are for pure voice acting, and not only that, seiyuus of the current generation for the last 2 decades, VAs in japan are trained to also become idols, or some seiyuus are already an idol before starting careers as a seiyuu, and there is countless other things tat japanese VAs had to do

Fantaria said:
Funi couldn't hire anyone to VA for it afterwards

DreamingBeats said:
in the case of KinMoza, maybe they could dub after some changes. For example, make the British girls French instead, and make the corresponding changes to references to UK so it refers France instead.
although a few jokes, such as the Big Ben would not work.

Zettaiken said:


Do you think it is only for Voice Acting only in JAPAN? Do you even know how difficult and harsh it is for people to become a Voice Actor in other countries? There are countless of people who never got scouted of viewed through companies in Poland or in any other country and they end up giving their life into local theather without any chance, don't think that Japan is the only place where it is a competition. It is everywhere, majority of dubbing voice actors are already known from movies or tv shows, unlike in Japan where someone can simply begin from 0 in one anime, for example Cue!.
I can't even say how many people don't have a chance like Cezary Pazura to become a professional actor/voice actor after not a single school but a whole life of acting and voice acting in local theather in a small town/city, people like Tomasz Kot who are from smaller towns/cities are either so talented that they are scouted for their job or end up as a local "legend" till the end.

"luckily there are 130 voice acting schools all over japan, and these schools are for pure voice acting, and not only that,"

Minority of stuff here are dubbed and not in terms of anime but Tv Shows and Movies at all, sometimes it is Lektor which is not like Dubbing, I can't even find here something like "Dubbing School/Voice Acting School" and Japan has 130 when I can't even find a single one here, so unlike Poland, Japan has a big variety of possibilities and actors, so let's be honest they don't have as tough as it is here, so that's a bigger major important reason to make more Dubbing Anime than not, cause thanks to that more people can get a job and being scouted/become something more than local Theather Actor.

"VAs in japan are trained to also become idols, or some seiyuus are already an idol before starting careers as a seiyuu, and there is countless other things tat japanese VAs had to do"

Seiyuu as in starting Career is an idol or has to do alot of stuff, so you think that Voice Actors form other countries are only Voice Actors? Take a look who is in dubbing cast, Keanu Reeves, Cezary Pazura, Artur Dziurman, Tomasz Kot. Most of them began/still are Actors, began careers in Theather or School Theather Projects and are Voice Actors while they are Actors and Celebs, you think that they only do Voice Actors and nothing else? They are trained to be Actors, not only Voice Actors, Japan is not any unique here.

Not to mention that Seiyuu's in Japan in alot of Studios idk if that's because of Seiyuu or because of Studio producers, they often don't care it the mouth of characters are moving and they are giving audio dialogues just because they have to, while Dubbingers do a little bit more and try to give translated dialogues fully while the mouth of character is moved or add other sounds, for ex. Lucy Kushinada in Cyberpunk in original has no sounds in smoking scene in the end of 1st episode or maybe 2nd don't remember which episode. While in Polish dubbing the Voice Actress has added her own sounds of "exhaling" the smoke to create smoke circles like it is shown in anime, at least that's how I remember that.

No idea if that's true but if you're a Seiyuu it is best to earn 200k Yen to survive, while 100k goes into renting in Tokyo, obviously if that's a Seiyuu who has became popular and here is only money for voice acting, cause obviously they'd earn money from Singing, Idoling, Performing in Ads, Studio, Movies etc.
In comparison in Poland there are no Studio, not anything to help you or guide you or anything, so you are a Voice Actor on your own, imagine starting a Career like that, but thanks to that you can join multiple roles for voice acting unlike being in a studio so there are positives and negatives in it.

How much do they earn Yearly? -> Seiyuu well depends if it's F rank or A rank or no rank or anything like that, some of them earns up to 15-20 Milions of Yen ex. Hiroshi Kamiya, Tomokazu Sugita, Koichi Yamadera. While in Poland it is around 300k Złoty in Brutto so around 200k-250k yearly after taxing. You might ask who earns more? 15 Milions Yen is equal to 485k of Złoty. Oh but wait! The worst here earns around 2750 or less per month which is around 85k Yen, can't tell if that's alot of not when it comes per month in Japan, here it is bad. While 25% or even less of them would be able to earn around 4k per month which is around 124k Yen. That's for a Month. So if a typical Good Actor in Poland wouldn't spend their money on anything including taxes they'd earn around 48240 złoty, 48k. That's over 10 times less than earning of top tier Seiyuu's in Japan. If I'd go further into literature or stuff like that, I wouldn't be surprised if I'd find more of such stuff, so that's another reason to let Dubbing exists, Seiyuu are paid for their role not for their anime not being allowed for Dubbing, if an anime is not allowed for Dubbing than Voice Actors from other countries are not allowed to earn money, to earn less than top tier Seiyuu's and they need to survive not in career but in life.


And as Because we are in Anime section, maybe we should compare it?
The amount of Anime which gave Seiyuu's work -> Just All of Anime, oh wait also Chinese anime are dubbed in Japanese [shouldn't we watch it in Chinese than?] + stuff like Arcane but let's stick to Anime, just check how many anime exist from Japanese studio et voila.
Now let's see how many anime are dubbed in Polish.
Old Tv Stuff -> Samurai Champloo, Pokemon, GTO, Naruto, Shaman King, Dragon Ball, Death Note, Chobits and Shana as I can't find anything more, oh a Tv version so alot of them are not available here anymore, so majority of them you can't watch anymore in Polish Dubbing.
Nowadays Stuff -> Mainly Netflix [It took some time to go through every anime available in Netflix and check if they have a Polish Dubbing option] -> Kakegurui, Romantic Killer, Sprrigan ONA, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Bakugan, Blue Period, Hi Score Girl, Sirius the Jeager, Belle and Histone to Misotan,. And that's it, that's all, so now tell me how much from Anime did Seiyuu earn and how much Polish Voice Actors based on number of available stuff, in Poland it is so little that as you can see, I can literally say every title which has a Polish Dubbing, for Japanese I'd have to copy-paste here every single anime title x).

Which still doesn't change my mind at even a slightest for "Never Dub an Anime" You won't convince me for that view cause for me anime should "Always get a Dubbing"

KiraraFan said:
Do note in one of my other replies does say that Japanese seiyuus are also trained master and accel at some of the hardest Tongue twisters in the japanese language, sing in tongue twisters, because the seiyuus also had to perform and sing different Ops, Eds, Insert Songs, Duet songs, and Character songs for different anime in different idol groups. Not only that, they also are involved in Drama CDs, there is also radio shows. and have not heard or watched Trash Taste? There is a podcast episode where they had a guest named Shu Uchida, who is seiyuu in japan, and she described everything on how a seiyuu became who they are. You need to watch that video, it's on youtube.

Zettaiken said:


I do know Trash Taste, and again it doesn't change anything. Japanese Seiyuu's are having same harsh time as Voice Actors from different countries especially that for Seiyuu they are also singers, Voice Actors in majority of other countries are mainly only Actors from Theather/Movies etc. So a Seiyuu can have more possibilities of earning money and fame than Dub VA's. Tongue Twisters are the basics of any kind of Voice Acting, by myself I was doin it while being in Theather club at school so it is nothing unique. That's a basic for Students who are having Theather activities, so not to mention Profesionals. I can't even tell you how many times I had to practice of saying a single Tongue Twister with all kind of emotions.

In the end it still doesn't convince me why Japanese people would need to feel bad about their works being dubbed, and why it should be banned there are more reasons for Dubbing.

Btw in that case I hope that you've played every video game especially Witcher with original voices x) not dubbed.

Zettaiken said:


What does America dub has to do with Polish dub? I ain't knowing how it looks or works in West which is way more popular and usual, here it is a rarity for Anime Dubs which is another reason for more dubs x).

Lucifrost said:

I had no idea they were so incompetent. Their whole business revolves around hiring voice actors.

KiraraFan said:
Sometimes the original creators, animators, and producers of these animes hate seeing their hard effort work get dubbed into other languages, especially western languages. Some companies will region lock each and every episode after its air date, and will always decline the offer for a dub in any other language than the original. This applies best with language barrier animes, as well loads of Slice of Life, CGDCT, Comedy, or any iyashikei anime where it is about people in japan going overseas into foreign countries, and experiencing different cultures and languages, and multilingual animes.

So some anime are never dubbed because of the original producers decision to pass on the offer, language barrier, and Region lock episodes after air date.

here is a cute picture collage of Alice-chan from Kinmoza.


Syaro slaps Kokoa

Hoppy said:
Dubbing kills the whole feel of Kinmoza, although most of the time it is cheaper to sub anime than dub it.

MadanielFL said:
Even you know that's not true lol

MadanielFL said:

We all know there are some dubs which the majority of the audience including the anime community, prefers it over the original JP version.

sogopogo said:
if getting more anime dubs means we can get better faithful translation that preserve honorifics and certain words in romaji, let them have it. i don't care about average dubbed fans.

Zettaiken said:

So far with new dubs in Polish I actually prefered Polish than Japanese in Cyberpunk and Romantic Killer, better fit voices and carried it better than JP [Especially Gloria Martinez, Lucyna Kushinada, Riri and Anzu Hoshino, way better than Japanese]. Can't say for English dubs as I am not a native-speaker and I am not interested in non-Polish dubs as they are unwatchable for me. Aswell as I prefer the Dub covers for Belle songs which Daria Zawiałow simply rekted everyone else.

rsc-pl said:

Better matched than those selected by the creators of these characters and stories themselves?
Ahahahahah. This is one of the main reasons why I will never take any dubbing apologist seriously. Give me a break.

Are you trying to make me believe that this abomination is better than the original?
I don't even know where to start.
Not to mention the fact that they butchering the pronunciation of names and proper names so much that this alone causes ear bleeding.
While EOPs can be forgiven for this, it is inexcusable in Polish, because we have in our phonetics almost all the sounds 1:1 that occur in Japanese.

Fantaria said:


If some people don't want to voice hentai you can't really force them to

rsc-pl said:

It is true. Original is always a superior version.

MadanielFL said:


How is the Hellsing dub not better than the original when the characters are literally British, and in the original they speak with broken English, while in the dub they speak with British accents?

rsc-pl said:

I didn't watch it, but it's not British series.It is series about England made by Japanese people. It's their vision and thier interpretation of this setting. And the broken English is a part of original work (I guess it's about single phrases or words?).

MadanielFL said:
The characters are British living in England, they are supposed to be speaking English, and that's what the original mangaka intended with his story.
And they do try to speak English in the original, but of course it's broken English

The Japanese would be like a dub of the British characters.

MadanielFL said:
The characters are British living in England, they are supposed to be speaking English, and that's what the original mangaka intended with his story.
And they do try to speak English in the original, but of course it's broken English

The Japanese would be like a dub of the British characters.

Tropisch said:

Have you seriously never met this rsc guy? Don't bother holding a convo with him about dubs, he's just a sub elitist dub hater. You're wasting your time.

rsc-pl said:

If they wanted to do something like this, they would hire English voice actors. Like, for example, in games like Bayonetta, Resident Evil or Devil May Cry. But they didn't want to.
However, in such cases, I am still able to understand people, which despite everything would choose dubbing.

The problem is that stories like these (strong stylization and emphasis on external culture and attempts to reflect it faithfully) are so few that you can count them on your fingers.



I'll say it to you again - a truly masterful "argument." Such a perfect one for the lack of arguments.

And no, I am no elitist. I just I do care about art and what the original creators worked on and put their hearts into and original culture.

Dubbing always completely destroys that and you will never convince me otherwise. And this applies to any art from any country.
However, you could let go of these pathetic comments if you have no arguments and nothing to say.

Zettaiken said:
Oh so we should ban dubbing, covers and everything cause someone put an effort, like dub voice actors are also putting their hard efforts on it and what does an animator have to dubbing? Dubbing are not replacing the animaiton only the voice acting so compare it to seiyuu's, not including here what countries are having locks, language barrier is not an issue if you have good proffesional translators available in country.

So far with new dubs in Polish I actually prefered Polish than Japanese in Cyberpunk and Romantic Killer, better fit voices and carried it better than JP [Especially Gloria Martinez, Lucyna Kushinada, Riri and Anzu Hoshino, way better than Japanese]. Can't say for English dubs as I am not a native-speaker and I am not interested in non-Polish dubs as they are unwatchable for me. Aswell as I prefer the Dub covers for Belle songs which Daria Zawiałow simply rekted everyone else.

In my case it is not a matter of choice but of availability, seeing officially dubbed in Polish anime is like finding a rare gem, not to mention that legal anime [with Polish subs, I don't care how many English are available no one is interested in paying for anime not available in your own native language] are not that available here x). Btw if some original creators of Cyberpunk are from Poland and is partially made by Polish company than it means that not only Japanese but also Polish are "original languages" of that anime, afterall it was made by companies from 2 countries, not to mention the Mike's Pondsmith so we might also consider English for being a 3rd original language here. And if some animators are not Japanese and working in Japanese anime studio than what about their hard effort? Maybe they would like to see their own product in their native languge afterall they've put some hard effort into creating process for example this guy -> https://myanimelist.net/people/39325/Mateusz_Urbanowicz , than why there is no Your Name in Polish Dubbing? Didn't he put any efforts?

That's why there should be more reasons to always dub anime not never, especially that as a consumer it is your own choice to watch it originally or dubbed, no matter if in official/illegal sites or even in cinema theathers. Never heard/searched if really some creators are against it dubbing... Now Kakegurui has a reason for me to rewatch cause somehow it got dubbed in Polish x), another hidden gem. Compared to old dubs from tv in Polish the nowadays are pleasure to hear... The old dubs were so disgusting that it hurts in ears the only good thing from back than was a Polish opening for Shaman King, way better than original.




I hope someday It will become for me a choice, not a rarity sight.

KiraraFan said:
But you can't dub Kinmoza, because, learning to speak english is the goal of the MC herself Shinobu, and the goal of the whole series, dubbing Kinmoza will actually ruin the story and plot of the series. And it is a direct cross culture between Japan and UK specifically, and dubbing this anime specifically just destroy the whole point in why Shinobu is learning to try and speak english fluently as a japanese girl. It also goes against what Yui Hara wants to express with her series.

Zettaiken said:


Why not? It would be in Polish while learning English the main goal is still here? I was always mentioning the Polish dub not English, I don't care about English dubs. One title out of 13k+ does not change anything and I wouldn't be surprised if they'd find the way how to dub it, English Native-Speakers were not born with ideal C3 level of knowledge of their language after all.

Zalis said:
Step out of the hardcore bubble sometime; the long autograph lines and packed panel rooms for dub VAs at anime conventions say otherwise. The sub-purist/dub-hating contingent has always been a vocal minority, even going back to the VHS era when the dubbed tapes sold at cheaper prices than the subbed tapes, despite costing more to produce -- there was a greater market for the more-popular dubbed versions.

KiraraFan said:
it wouldn't work in the mangaka's favor, since her Kinmoza series is a DIRECT cross culture with Japan and UK. If they really want to dub Kinmoza they have to communicate it with not just the japanese producers but also the original mangaka, who is also the original creator of the series, Yui Hara. And not end up like with what 4kids did to One Piece. CGDCT animes are not meant to be dubbed anyway.