| Hear me out. I'm a huge proponent of people's right to die. I believe that if someone wants to die it should be as accessible as possible. That's just my viewpoint as someone who actually has wanted to die but couldn't. Dying is hard hence why I believe in accessibility. What about you though? Do you believe in people's right to die? Or do you not? Is it ethical to prolong people's suffering because it would make you feel better? Discuss below. |
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| I believe in people's right to do many things they really shouldn't. Suicide prevention is worthwhile if you care about the person. More often than not, suffering can be dealt with without dying. |
SmugSatokoJan 20, 2022 3:30 PM
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| I think people should be able to die if they want to, the problem is that it's a permanent decision so we should make sure they really want to. Like if someone gets dumped they shouldn't kill themselves because that's obviously something you get over with time. |
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| The right to die? No such thing exists, and most people who try killing themselves do not really want to die. Enough of Babylon nonsense! I do not know what is "ethical" or not, but I doubt that it makes much sense to propose someone's a rope when they tell you that they are feeling unwell or want to stop suffering... "Just kill yourself, bro." |
Meusnier said: The right to die? No such thing exists, Both the right to live and the right to die by suicide are derived from self-ownership, ie bodily autonomy. A person's life belongs to them and is theirs to do with as they wish. That said, if someone I care about is suicidal, I will try my best to keep them alive. If that's selfish, so be it. One of my friends hung himself on Halloween 2004. I was joking around with him the night before and had no idea he felt that way. (I know I told you about that in a past post.) and most people who try killing themselves do not really want to die. Enough of Babylon nonsense! I do not know what is "ethical" or not, but I doubt that it makes much sense to propose someone's a rope when they tell you that they are feeling unwell or want to stop suffering... "Just kill yourself, bro." I concur with the rest. |
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| Not only should people be allowed to die when they wish, but more people should be encouraged to as a means to an end. There are far too many people on this planet and suicide should be encouraged. |
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| i lost a friend to suicide on Jan 17th 2008, we had a petty fight the day before and I still feel guilty about it. my sister's tried to kill herself, infront of me my mom told me about her suicide attempts while she was homeless for a year in 2017 and my boyfriend tried to shoot himself in 2018 I say this as someone who deals with suicidal thoughts, has been through several government programs and has to see a therapist 3 times a week Suicide prevention is worth it, not because it will make other people feel better, not even because it'll make you feel better because it won't unless you actively try to ignore those thoughts which is hard, really hard. But sometimes just talking about it and getting it off your chest makes the thoughts go away. and the 1-800 numbers are shit and cause more problems than they help. |
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| don't know how to respond, one of my besties threw herself in front of the train because her parents did not accept her boyfriend. I think suicidal people should be talked to and not offered the the suicide as a mean of escaping problems |
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| There is one thing I fail to understand. When a dog or cat is suffering and there is no chance of recovery we believe the ethical thing to do is put them down. But if a human is on a similar footing it is unethical to allow any form of assisted suicide. They must suffer to the bitter end and at best palliative care is offered. I don't see why our values should change between animal and humans. We all suffer in the same way so we should all be treated in the same manner. In short, I feel under certain circumstances assisted suicide should be allowed. People should have the freedom to decide what is best for themselves and this choice even includes ending their life. It should only be permissible under a set of circumstances to prevent/mitigate the risk of vulnerable people being persuaded to die. |
| No. Giving depressed people access to easy and painless death is the same as locking an alcoholic in a liquor store and then wondering why he is dead in the morning. If people are not good at controlling something, then you don't want to give them full control over it. |
| How tf do you have a right to die when you don’t even have a say in being born?? Seems kinda silly |
| No one in this world has the right to take his own life. We did not wish to be born. We did not have the right to choose our birth. Life was given to us to protect it and spend it in a way that we wont regret after death. Suicide is considered as a big sin in some religions as well. I mean it not our right to be born and neither to die. I think I heard this quote in a manga or somewhere but it really works, it goes like "If you really have the courage to kill yourself, then use that courage to go change yourself". Suicide wont change anything. Your bullies or haters would just go back to their lives while your family members and close ones are the only ones who grieve. Life gives us many challenges but I dont think any challenge is much bigger than our capability to handle. There is no burden put on us that would be more than what we could bear. If we believe in this and think that a good time will start, and it definitely will start, then I think we can change for the better and live a better life. |
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| Aw, don't do that. I would have given you like twenty dollars for your life. The real question is... is the neo-pagan feminist resistance to the inevitable android revolution a worthwhile endeavor? |
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| Hope you are in support of Capital Punishment; |
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| Laws and regulations, rights etc., are made according to what benefits society the most. Why isn't their a right to murder? Because if it were ever implemented, it would affect society negatively. If there were ever a right such as "right to die", then it would only fuel the problem instead of solving it. It is like feeding drugs to a drug addict. Does it make the addict happy? Yes. Will it have a positive outcome? No, it only skips the problem and does not solve it. It also applies to suicide. Instead of providing them more means to make the problem worse, I would advocate for better therapy sessions and medical treatment for them and increase availability. Although I have never been suicidal, I can understand why people would have such a reaction. But look at the bigger picture. |
WutIsDisJan 20, 2022 9:26 PM
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| The only time I think people should have the right to die is if they are terminally ill. Imo suicide never solves any problems, however more effort should be put into suicide prevention. Right now society is stuck at a weird point where suicide is bad but often governments and organisations are not willing to put in the work required to try and improve mental health and lower suicide rates. |
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| In an ideal world where it's possible to ascertain whether the person is 100% accurate about not being able to move on or cope with the pain of living, I'd support a person's right to end their life. However, in the world we live in, almost all the cases have something to do with a person being in a bad environment or having a skewed mindset as a result of trauma, so I wouldn't support it. There are way too many cases where people that have been successfully talked out of committing suicide go on to live fulfilling lives. As for my stance on terminally ill patients, I do believe that they should be given an option to take the lethal injection. Medical ethics condemns it, but I believe that keeping someone alive in a vegetative state with no conceivable positive outcome down the line is extremely harsh and inhumane. |
Ethereal-peace said: How tf do you have a right to die when you don’t even have a say in being born?? Seems kinda silly FZREMAKE said: No one in this world has the right to take his own life. We did not wish to be born. We did not have the right to choose our birth. Life was given to us to protect it and spend it in a way that we wont regret after death. Suicide is considered as a big sin in some religions as well. I mean it not our right to be born and neither to die. WutIsDis said: If there were ever a right such as "right to die", then it would only fuel the problem instead of solving it. G1llette said: The only time I think people should have the right to die is if they are terminally ill. You are misunderstanding rights in this context. It's not about privileges granted by the state, but natural rights each person automatically has. (The fact that we did not choose our birth has nothing to do with anything.) What I said earlier sums it up: SmugSatoko said: Both the right to live and the right to die by suicide are derived from self-ownership, ie bodily autonomy. A person's life belongs to them and is theirs to do with as they wish. |
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Is it ethical to prolong people's suffering because it would make you feel better? What an arrogant question. Your suffering doesn't end with you. It spreads itself to other people when you die. If nobody can do anything to stop it because of your "right" to kill yourself, then you normalize the suffering that you claim to hate so much. |
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| But it is accessible. If you really wanted to die there are plenty of ways to kill yourself. Dying is hard? Nothing hard about lying down on train tracks. You think it's hard because you are afraid of dying, and you're afraid because you don't actually want to die. I think assisted suicide like they have in Switzerland for example should be legal. I also think such a service should only be offered to people who are terminally ill and are gonna die regardless in the coming years, since it offers them a painless way to die. Not to people who are suffering from depression or other mental illnesses that you can live a long life with if you get the help you need. |
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SmugSatoko said: You are misunderstanding rights in this context. It's not about privileges granted by the state, but natural rights each person automatically has. (The fact that we did not choose our birth has nothing to do with anything.) What I said earlier sums it up: SmugSatoko said: Both the right to live and the right to die by suicide are derived from self-ownership, ie bodily autonomy. A person's life belongs to them and is theirs to do with as they wish. Nope I didnt misunderstand it. I stand firm to my belief that no one, not the government, not the family members, not friends, not strangers and even I myself have no right to take my own life. Life is not a game in which we are born for no reason and then we kill our self for if we dont find our life pleasing. As I said, we are never put through such a burdne that we are incapable of bearing. In many religion and cultures, suicide is considered a big sin. Why is killing someone a sin in the first place? Because we are taking the matter of God in our hand. Because we hurt the person who is being killed. We are hurting his relatives while doing so. Similarly by committing suicide we are taking the matters of God in our own hand. We neither have the power to be born nor to kill someone else (including our selves). At the same time we are only hurting ourselves rather than relieving our self from the pain and we are hurting our relatives and loved ones as well. |
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FZREMAKE said: Nope I didnt misunderstand it. I stand firm to my belief that no one, not the government, not the family members, not friends, not strangers and even I myself have no right to take my own life. Life is not a game in which we are born for no reason and then we kill our self for if we dont find our life pleasing. As I said, we are never put through such a burdne that we are incapable of bearing. In many religion and cultures, suicide is considered a big sin. Why is killing someone a sin in the first place? Because we are taking the matter of God in our hand. Because we hurt the person who is being killed. We are hurting his relatives while doing so. Similarly by committing suicide we are taking the matters of God in our own hand. We neither have the power to be born nor to kill someone else (including our selves). At the same time we are only hurting ourselves rather than relieving our self from the pain and we are hurting our relatives and loved ones as well. The basis of my argument is that each person's life is their own. I understand that you may disagree due to your religious belief...to which I will say that the burden of proof is on you if you want to go down that route. Humans do have the power to kill others or themselves: it happens all the time. Also, I would like to emphasize that I never said anything condoning suicide. |
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SmugSatoko said: FZREMAKE said: Nope I didnt misunderstand it. I stand firm to my belief that no one, not the government, not the family members, not friends, not strangers and even I myself have no right to take my own life. Life is not a game in which we are born for no reason and then we kill our self for if we dont find our life pleasing. As I said, we are never put through such a burdne that we are incapable of bearing. In many religion and cultures, suicide is considered a big sin. Why is killing someone a sin in the first place? Because we are taking the matter of God in our hand. Because we hurt the person who is being killed. We are hurting his relatives while doing so. Similarly by committing suicide we are taking the matters of God in our own hand. We neither have the power to be born nor to kill someone else (including our selves). At the same time we are only hurting ourselves rather than relieving our self from the pain and we are hurting our relatives and loved ones as well. The basis of my argument is that each person's life is their own. I understand that you may disagree due to your religious belief...to which I will say that the burden of proof is on you if you want to go down that route. Humans do have the power to kill others or themselves: it happens all the time. Also, I would like to emphasize that I never said anything condoning suicide. Yeah we have a disagreement in our beliefs and I do believe that we have no right to take our own life if we are displeased with our life or if things are not going our way. From power, I was trying to talk about rights. Of course we have the choice and power to kill someone or our self, but do we have the right to kill others. Is it ok to kill someone. No. And to that I said that similarly we have no right to kill our self, because I believe so. Yeah I know you never said anything about condoning suicide, I just think that suicide cant be justified and its an act of foolishness and cowardice. |
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| Suicide prevention line is useless I called them, talked to them couple of times years ago I wanted to suicide really bad They just "calm down, tell me what happen? everything will be okay" |
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| It's always worthwhile to try and help someone have an improved life so long as it doesn't cross a certain point where they are not actually helpful but rather doing harm in trying then it's better left to someone else. This isn't same as saying no one should have right to choose death but rather it's down to an individual level and can't be generalized. |
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philtecturophy said: Suicide prevention line is useless I called them, talked to them couple of times years ago I wanted to suicide really bad They just "calm down, tell me what happen? everything will be okay" that's why it's called a prevention line. The main point is to convince you NOT to do it whether or not they suck at actually doing their job |
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| Too many factors. There's a big difference between an 85 year old with terminal cancer and a 24 year old who is going through a phase. Most people actually don't want to die and regret it halfway down. Most people don't know what they actually want. One should always try CBT with medications and exercise in a three prong approach assisted by counseling. People who exhibit suicidal tendencies don't make it public and find it hard to relate to other people while they constantly live a fake life. This is usually why we "never see it coming". Suicide prevention hotlines are a way for those individuals to covertly and privately discuss matters in which they feel is safe within a layer of anonymity. |
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Fluoxetine_50mg said: Suicide prevention hotlines are a way for those individuals to covertly and privately discuss matters in which they feel is safe within a layer of anonymity. They fall short at the feeling safe part being many will send the police over to the person contacting them if they feel they will kill themselves right then rather than just generally suicidal. |
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traed said: Fluoxetine_50mg said: Suicide prevention hotlines are a way for those individuals to covertly and privately discuss matters in which they feel is safe within a layer of anonymity. They fall short at the feeling safe part being many will send the police over to the person contacting them if they feel they will kill themselves right then rather than just generally suicidal. I've got a question for you. Would you prefer a system that sends social workers instead of the police in such cases? Or do you feel like social workers will never be equipped to handle those kinda situations cause they generally take more time to act? |
| The world would truly be a sadder place if people with suicidal thoughts were given the right to die painlessly. Dying is painful and scary for a reason and taking that fear away from death would end in losing a lot of great people. I also had suicidal thoughts in the past, but sometimes therapy and endurance can lead to a better life and I can now say that I am glad I didn't die back then. Mental illness can be treated, if only to make suffering less painful. |
If life ain't just a joke Then why are we laughing? If life ain't just a joke Then why am I dead? |
| A lot of times they can be prevented. If you hear what those girls say who shot themselves in the throat over boyfriend issues and after a plastic surgery finally look like a human again, they all regret it. I do however believe that if you have a really bad disease that is uncurable which only causes you suffering and ahead of you there's only more of that and no light at the end of the tunnel, that's when assisted suicide should be available no matter the age. But it should happen with experts involved. |
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| Imma address people in broad strokes here. First when you get to know somebody it is your choice whether or not you care about them. If they die and you feel sad that's solely on you. You chose to give a shit about a temporary person. Second. I'm only thinking objectively here. Death isn't something to weep over but instead something to celebrate. I learned this working at a care home. It means the end if suffering which is a cause to celebrate. Third. Regardless of how much I may want to die doesnt have any bearing on my opinion. This is just how I feel about the subject. |
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| In my religion, it is forbidden to expose yourself to danger. To something that can cause death to you. Your body, your choice, but the soul that is in your body isn't yours. |
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| You can be a huge proponent of people's right to die and still be a huge proponent of people having their mental health checked and being helped out if there is a way to help them out. Dumb debate and dumb dichotomy. Also, claiming that you approach this with objectivity is not a very good way to set a debate that requires for starters an emotional and psychological understanding of the people you are talking about. |
jal90Jan 21, 2022 12:11 PM
Archfiend97 said: traed said: They fall short at the feeling safe part being many will send the police over to the person contacting them if they feel they will kill themselves right then rather than just generally suicidal. I've got a question for you. Would you prefer a system that sends social workers instead of the police in such cases? Or do you feel like social workers will never be equipped to handle those kinda situations cause they generally take more time to act? It's more complicated than that. There are people that avoid contacting (I say contact instead of call because there are online chats as well) in the first place because someone could come especially if that someone is a cop which can be intimidating as well as socially alienate them by making them look like a dangerous criminal and on the other hand some want a cop to come so they can suicide by cop and even when they don't at least in case of US there is tons of cases of police shooting someone for being mentally ill even if they weren't really a threat to them. This avoidance more often is the case if they are living with someone else they don't want to know they were talking to a suicide prevention line. It's difficult to say without data if nothing but an paramedic is better than a anyone or if it's better to send a mental health professional but sending a cop unlikely is best. I feel like it's really half assed in any case. If you don't want people to kill themselves then fix the living conditions that create those situations to begin with is best start. |
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_Nette_ said: Imma address people in broad strokes here. First when you get to know somebody it is your choice whether or not you care about them. If they die and you feel sad that's solely on you. You chose to give a shit about a temporary person. Second. I'm only thinking objectively here. Death isn't something to weep over but instead something to celebrate. I learned this working at a care home. It means the end if suffering which is a cause to celebrate. Third. Regardless of how much I may want to die doesnt have any bearing on my opinion. This is just how I feel about the subject. You're not being objective. You even contradicted the claim of objectivity later saying it's just how you feel, which would be subjective. To say it means end of suffering isn't fully accurate. It ends all personal living experience not just the unpleasant but the enjoyable things too. |
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| In most cases yes (as it's usually due to rejection or not getting your way), some cases like terminal illness, not so much. |
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SmugSatoko said: Meusnier said: The right to die? No such thing exists, Both the right to live and the right to die by suicide are derived from self-ownership, ie bodily autonomy. A person's life belongs to them and is theirs to do with as they wish. That said, if someone I care about is suicidal, I will try my best to keep them alive. If that's selfish, so be it. One of my friends hung himself on Halloween 2004. I was joking around with him the night before and had no idea he felt that way. (I know I told you about that in a past post.) and most people who try killing themselves do not really want to die. Enough of Babylon nonsense! I do not know what is "ethical" or not, but I doubt that it makes much sense to propose someone's a rope when they tell you that they are feeling unwell or want to stop suffering... "Just kill yourself, bro." I concur with the rest. I did not expect to be understood any way... You are talking about a "right" whilst forgetting about the possible definitions: "the fact that a person or animal [?! (1)] can expect to be treated in a fair, morally acceptable, or legal way, or to have the things that are necessary for life," or "your opportunity to act and to be treated in particular ways that the law promises to protect for the benefit of society." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/ja/dictionary/english/right Good luck justifying suicide from a moral viewpoint (the definition of the categorical imperative implies that it is impossible). Considering that most people regret trying killing themselves, I fail to see how assisting their suicide would ever be considered as "fair" (and we are not discussing about outliers here). When it comes to the legal aspect, it should be clear that a "suicide law" would kill countless of fragile people who should rather be assisted than "helped" this way. Last but not least, a suicide never benefits to society unless you are old and retired if one insists on being cynical. I simply believe that suicide should not be illegal as in some countries (which does not mean that I support a legal "right to die"). People who commit self-harm should be helped, not ostracised. (1) An animal cannot "expect" any thing, what a silly broadening of the definition. Not saying that you cannot define "animal rights" though... |
Meusnier said: I did not expect to be understood any way... If you communicate clearly enough, most can understand the point you are making. You are talking about a "right" whilst forgetting about the possible definitions: "the fact that a person or animal [?! (1)] can expect to be treated in a fair, morally acceptable, or legal way, or to have the things that are necessary for life," or "your opportunity to act and to be treated in particular ways that the law promises to protect for the benefit of society." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/ja/dictionary/english/right I don't need to take into account any definition aside from the one I refer to. Good luck justifying suicide from a moral viewpoint (the definition of the categorical imperative implies that it is impossible). I don't need to justify it from any viewpoint, for it is self-evident. Each person owns their own life. If they decide to kill themselves, they have every right to do so, because it is their life and their decision. (I already explained this.) Considering that most people regret trying killing themselves, I fail to see how assisting their suicide would ever be considered as "fair" (and we are not discussing about outliers here). Please quote the post in this thread wherein I said anything about assisted suicide or a right to be killed by others. I fear you will have some trouble uncovering this nonexistent post. When it comes to the legal aspect, it should be clear that a "suicide law" would kill countless of fragile people who should rather be assisted than "helped" this way. I'm not sure which "suicide law" you are implying I advocate. Last but not least, a suicide never benefits to society unless you are old and retired if one insists on being cynical. A suicidal person is obviously not interested in benefiting society. However, one could argue that certain people dying could benefit society. I simply believe that suicide should not be illegal as in some countries (which does not mean that I support a legal "right to die"). If you believe attempting suicide should be legally permissible (that is, it would not be a crime if one fails and is caught), then you do support the right to die, in at least some sense. People who commit self-harm should be helped, not ostracised. Indeed. Although I don't think attempted suicide should be a crime, I do believe they should be given the option of getting the help they need to live a more fulfilling life. Under most circumstances, I don't think anyone should resort to suicide. (But again, it's not my decision.) |
SmugSatokoJan 21, 2022 4:39 PM
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