| This might be a pretty controversial topic but still let's get into it Top 10 Anime: FMAB - 64 eps SNK S3 - 10 eps Steins;Gate - 24 eps Gintama° - 51 eps Hunter x Hunter - 148 eps Ginga eiyuu densetsu - 110 eps Gintama' - 51 eps Gintama': Enchousen - 13 eps SNK S4 - 16 eps 3-Gatsu no lion S2 - 22 eps Average eps: 51 You see the average ep count of the Top 10 Anime is quite high at about 51 eps Now let's look at the manga Top 10 manga: (I might be wrong at counting the chapter of ongoing mangas) Berserk - 363 chapters (so far) JoJo part 7 - 96 chapters One Piece - 1015 chapters (so far) Vagabond - 327 chapters Monster - 162 chapters Fullmetal - 116 chapter Oyasumi Punpun - 147 chapter Grand Blue - 68 chapters (so far) Slam dunk - 276 chapters Kindom - 681 chapters Average chapters: 248 (Excluding One Piece) Now the average chapter count is very high despite excluding One Piece So, This raises the question that does longer means better? I'm not judging it but there is a high possibility that longer Animangas receive better scores Longer Animangas feel more completed, has more space for character development, more questions are left answered and so on... What is your view on this? |
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| Longer means you can flush out more characters and obviously develop your main characters better. But longer does not mean better it opens up more room for plot holes and inconsistencies within the story. Plus if a series is long a lot of the episodes will be there to waste your time such as fillers and the plot can get repetitive and boring. Another downside to longer shows they are not attractive for new audiences. Shorter shows which I do prefer get to the point and tell the story they what to tell. The episodes don't for the most part waste the audiences time. Shorter shows also have less plot holes. Obviously this isn't the case for every anime. |
| The longer it is the more you can enjoy. Also wouldn't it have been better to put the manga volumes and not chapters |
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| yeah longer means more character development and more plot establishment. would u like a one shot manga or properly serialized manga? would u like a movie adaptation or tv series of ur favorites manga? well, in the end it's how u feel about the anime/manga love it =longer is better neutral = medium is better hate it = shorter is better |
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| some things to keep in mind that werent yet mentioned: some size queens only give high ratings to long series, while there are virtually no people who only give low ratings to long series, so there is some inflation from this effect as well also keep in mind the sequel effect.. generally, anime sequels are higher rated and less popular than the original because people who didnt like the first wont watch the second snk 3 might look like a 10 episode series, but in reality its 70+ episodes |
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| The subject matter of shows with 100+ episode counts typically aren't something I am all that interested in anyway. |
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| Some time ago, I calculated how the mean score of the first season of Gintama would change if we consider all the drops as 4/10 (since most of the drops are left unrated or their scores don't count due to the 1/5 rule). It is safe to assume that those who strongly disliked the beginning wouldn't like it at the end; it does get better later on, but it should be intended as "from decent/good to great", not "from terrible to masterpiece". What was the outcome? Gintama would be rated 8.24, whereas the score of a shorter show like Steins;Gate wouldn't fall as much (8.94). The shorter an anime is, the more likely it will be completed and rated even by those who hated it. |
| Top MAL != better Thus naaaah! I mean having more avid fans is not necessary a sing of quality. It only means commercial success which assures longer run. |
| Not always, because sometimes longer shows are average in every episode, but they tend to have more time for development and we get more good moments even if the overall experience is bad. I can easily give lower score for short bad shows than longer bad shows. |
Grunheidt19Jun 8, 2021 7:51 AM
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| Most people have short attention spans, and they don't remember much while scoring the show especially the longer ones. Many rate based on the last few episodes and overall feel of the show. This is not a critique though. If that's how they rate it, it's fine honestly. |
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| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Longer often creates a false feeling of better, because you've spent quite a lot of time watching/reading that stuff, so it's no wonder why people would rate it higher. I try not to fall into that trap, since even if I watched/read something for years, I try to remember how many irritating things it actually had and not let myself fall for "hey, I've known you for years, must mean I really like everything about you and you're the best!". Same reason why if I've known a person closely for ~15 years, doesn't mean he is my friend, and someone I've known for 3-5 years could easily be one. |
| I doubt someone's gonna keep making something if they aren't getting paid, so if a manga is long that means it was popular enough to be allowed to keep going, whereas if something isn't getting any readers the mangaka isn't gonna be able to keep making it. Not true in all cases but just on a general level I think that made sense lol |
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| i prefer shorter anime, so longer is not better for me |
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| Your average is indicating medium size sample not longer. |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
| Sometimes longer Anime can give you an attachment to that particular Anime especially Shounen and shorter Anime are immediately forgotten by the community and you'll only get a couple of mentions.So Yeah,I guess the community thinks longer=better but I absolutely do not. Playay said: Longer anime/manga tend to have better development in pretty much, everything. Welp, it's that Kimi no Na wa and Koe no Katachi have fallen over from top 10 themselves, so you may think that longer is better. And let's be real, rating here is getting more inaccurate to represent how good a show is. They may just appeal to wider audience, which is why they have higher score. The rating system has already gone down to gutter when Mugen train jumped into #34 and Tokyo revengers got an 8. Both of these shows deserve nothing but around 7. |
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eistod said: I don't like long animes. And longer doesn't mean more development for sure. But then again I don't like anything in the top 10. I agree with this I just don't like long animes because I don't have the patience. I started HxH but went to something else after like 10 episodes just because I knew I had 130 episodes left. I just prefer to get through a short show and then be done with it |
| I thought this topic would be about "episode" length and it affecting scores, i.e. short shows score low even when they are fun and movies sometimes feel overscored. |
| Nope. Most longer anime are not even watchable, as they are mostly battle shounen, or One Piece, which is not something that I would ever watch. As for manga, most of the most popular manga are seinen garbage that I would never read. |
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| Length is only relevant sometimes in telling a good story. The thing is you can't have a stand alone 12 episode anime in the top ten simply because they aren't long enough to: Get people to like most characters Get people to love the story Create a good world etc Obviously because 12 episode animes are too short. The only 10 episode anime in the top 10 AOT season 3 part 2 is a sequel. So basically, Longer = better but not all the time. And this is only the case because longer anime have more time to do better things. |
| I gave up on character of the week since it takes too much thinking. I'll just change my forum pfp to whoever I want every week lol. |
| Longer animes = lifestyle change. It's the same trick gacha games use to get you hooked into it by giving you all the good stuff early on until it becomes an addiction that you need to satiate or your day will feel off. Also the reason those are so highly rated is because long animes help get rid of the existential crisis feeling when you finish a good series plus because your lifestyle has already been changed to incorporate that particular anime into it, people end up continuously buying and discussing about every new episode giving the impression that it is doing better than it really is. E.g Luffy vs Urashima. How many times do you gotta show me those 2 character glaring and growling like a dog at each other to try and fill in screentime into the episodes? |
| I like longer stories, because you can really see the ups and downs of the characters + character development, while in shorter stuff there's usually just one story. With short stories if they are not absolutely awesome, they get forgotten really fast while people remember longer series even if they were just mediocre. (See how people don't talk about even the good 12 episode seasonals after a season or two, but people still talk about stuff like Naruto, DBZ, Fairy Tail, Bleach and other long anime?) But the top anime list has nothing to do with this, because of how MAL counts the score. You need to have watched a certain amount of episodes (was it 20%? probably could find this from somewhere but I'm lazy) which with shorter series is just 3 episodes or so, while with longer series it can be a whole seasons worth or even more. See where I'm getting here? If you dislike a show, you might watch the 3 episodes of a shorter show, but for example for HxH with 148 episodes, you need to watch 30 episodes before your score counts. Will you watch 30 episodes of a show you dislike? Probably not except if you are a completionist. This means that mostly only scores of people who liked said longer series count, which obviously boosts the score. |
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| Long stuff has more staying power, but the longer something goes on the harder of a time it has at staying consistently good. If you've been following something for long enough sometimes it can even make you think that you need to consider it to be really good to justify watching it for that long, even if shorter anime are technically better than it, it did provide you with more overall entertainment. In my own list long shows I do tend to rate higher, but part of that is just that I'm more critical about what I decide to start if it's longer. If an anime is less than 10 minutes long it could be the spawn of Satan and I'd still watch it. If it's 50+ episodes then I must have some confidence that I'll enjoy it or I won't even bother. |
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| Not necessarily. Higher scores might mean that it captures a larger audience, but not necessarily that it is better. Some of the shorter mangas have excellent charachter development, but since they are short, fewer are willing to spend time with a work that has a short duration. There might also be other reasons. For me longer stuff, means that it feels more like work the longer it is. But there are exceptions. In the end I think you get the answer sometimes yes, sometimes no, but it always depend on who you ask. There is not a definitive answer. Oh. I don't know how MyAnimeList ranks them. It isn't purely based on score. It also have something to do with how many members have interacted with a certain work I believe, but I don't know how it is weighted. |
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| It's all about the girth, even tho anal becomes a problem.. Oh and as for anime. I tend to prefer longer series since they usually become more epic, the pay-off moments are greater and I love the get invested in a series. |
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| I like to get invested in a story and its characters. The longer something is the more chances there are to develop that connection and enables the work to potentially be more complex and achieve larger scale events that short works are not capable of achieving--there's a reason epic fantasy novels are doorstoppers: they wouldn't be epic otherwise. Conversely, the shorter something is the less likely it is to leave much of an impression on me, which is why I can barely remember anything from movies and shorts. Of course, there are differences between a concept and its execution; take for example One Piece: where shows like Bleach and Naruto opted for fillers (which enable you to skip over them), OP instead opted for slower pacing, stretching 500 episodes of material at most (at present) into more than 970 (the One Pace project has managed to trim over 134 hours of padding, and having seen all of their work myself I wouldn't recommend watching OP any other way). Now consider Major: its 78 manga volumes were adapted into 154 episodes over six seasons and a few OVA. While I don't know if anything was cut from the manga, for me its an example of a long-running anime done well and the concept of following a character's baseball career from little league to major league would inherently not work without its length. Obviously writing quality is a factor in how well shows end up being, but that's a standard that can be applied to everything regardless of length. There's no difference between dropping a short anime and dropping a long anime, so the only difference in attitude you should have towards starting a long anime is that it might give you more material to enjoy. There's also no rule saying you have to watch it all in one go; if you want to watch other things then do so. If your primary concern is how quickly you can finish something then, speaking from experience, you're watching anime wrong. |
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| Nothing beats the joy and excitement of watching a scene you've being waiting to watch for like 200 episodes. Longer shows generally make you more attached to the characters and the story. Even if an anime has some flows, with time it's almost like "you get used to it". This isn't a bad thing, it's not like you have to force yourself to watch trash, but if that anime managed to keep your interest for hundreds of episodes, it must have done something right. You start to consider more these positive aspects. This doesn't really happen with short series... it may happen in a different way if we consider the long-term impressions left after finishing the anime. |
LepruJun 8, 2021 7:41 AM
| Nope , i prefer short one . 12 ep is the best |
What's important in my opinion is that the longer something lasts, the more u are attached to it. Shorter series can also left you with the emptiness, but from my experience it was always harder to recover from the longer shows. So it's easy to conclude that longer series tend to leave a bigger mark in our hearts. |
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| Do you know how MAL's rating system works? People need to have watched at least 50% (I think) of the show for their scores to count in the average rating. And of course, the people that will put themselves through 50-odd episodes are mainly the people who enjoy them. As for my personal opinion and ratings, I'd say longer ones have more time to become amazing, and the show can fit in as much as it wants without worrying about fitting the animation into a limited time frame. Plus, they're usually popular, which is why they can afford the money to make the show ongoing. |
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| Not necessarily. Long shows give you time to connect to characters more and are able to deliver amazing moments based on that. (But it's only if the show is done right. Other wise it becomes boring af) But that doesn't mean that shorter shows can't be as good. They have their own way of doing things. An 11-episode anime Ping pong showcases some of the best character and char dev which shows like Bleach couldn't achieve in 366 episodes. |
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| I think 24-200 are the ideal length for good shows 200+ episode shows sometimes tend to be inconsistent like for example Naruto <24 are pretty hard to reach perfection , it will need extra detail storytelling to amaze everyone |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
| Nah not necessarily. There are plenty short but great works. |
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| I personally don't like long anime. I'd rather watch 4 shows with 12 episodes each than 1 show with 48 episodes. |
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| Does length matter? Some say yes, some say no. I think it's the climax that should matter, and not the length. |
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NinjaEra23 said: This might be a pretty controversial topic but still let's get into it Top 10 Anime: FMAB - 64 eps SNK S3 - 10 eps Steins;Gate - 24 eps Gintama° - 51 eps Hunter x Hunter - 148 eps Ginga eiyuu densetsu - 110 eps Gintama' - 51 eps Gintama': Enchousen - 13 eps SNK S4 - 16 eps 3-Gatsu no lion S2 - 22 eps Average eps: 51 You see the average ep count of the Top 10 Anime is quite high at about 51 eps Now let's look at the manga Top 10 manga: (I might be wrong at counting the chapter of ongoing mangas) Berserk - 363 chapters (so far) JoJo part 7 - 96 chapters One Piece - 1015 chapters (so far) Vagabond - 327 chapters Monster - 162 chapters Fullmetal - 116 chapter Oyasumi Punpun - 147 chapter Grand Blue - 68 chapters (so far) Slam dunk - 276 chapters Kindom - 681 chapters Average chapters: 248 (Excluding One Piece) Now the average chapter count is very high despite excluding One Piece So, This raises the question that does longer means better? I'm not judging it but there is a high possibility that longer Animangas receive better scores Longer Animangas feel more completed, has more space for character development, more questions are left answered and so on... What is your view on this? I'd say there's two major parts for this. The first part is that this is just an inevitable consequence of sequel inflation. Meaning that sequels to an anime/manga will almost always have a higher score than previous seasons, assuming it keeps roughly the same quality of course. And this is because those who hated season 1 will most likely not watch season 2. And thus season 2 will have a higher density of fans. Then same thing happens with season 3. And season 4. And so on and so forth. It just keeps filtering out people who have a low opinion of the anime/manga and keep those with a high opinion of it, so you end up with a large percentage of people who will rate it highly. And that's at least part of the reason you see stuff like Gintama S4, SNK S3-4, 3-Gatsu S2 and so on and so forth. Instead of their first seasons. Sure obviously people might think the later seasons are better. But even if you somehow scientifically proved that the first season was objectively the best one, it would still be hard for it to be ranked above the later ones simply due to sequel inflation. For that to happen, it has to either be just that much better than the later seasons. Or the later seasons will have to be that much worse than the first season. The second part is a pretty obvious one. And that is that anime/mangas that are received well and praised, will obviously continue to be made. Thus they will be longer. So it's not that longer = better. It's more that if something is better, then it will become longer as a result. If everyone hated say Berserk right from the start, then it wouldn't have pumped out 360+ chapters. So again, this is just a consequence of quality making stuff produce for a longer duration. But to just give my view on the simple question: "Is longer better?" Then I would have to say no, not necessarily. Short and long both come with pros and cons. A longer anime/manga can take their time to flesh out characters for instance. But it comes with the possibility of it feeling dragged out. A shorter anime/manga can maintain your interest much better because the pacing is faster. But it comes with the possibility of the pacing being too fast and it ends up rushed. |
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| Execution is the key. If something is well-planned out and executed correctly it will be good no matter how long it is, assuming the viewer finds it interesting. That being said, as to the way things generally work in the anime industry, 26-52 episodes is the sweet spot. Shorter than that and it may not get renewed for another season and forever be an incomplete adaptation or not have enough time to properly develop the characters and story from the source. Longer than that and it generally recycles itself and becomes repetitive and plagued with filler to the point where it alienates it's own audience and just gets canceled. There are exceptions of course, there being great series that are both long and short, but again that takes good execution and planning. |
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| I think sequels and long anime by default have a big advantage on MAL. You need to have watched 20% of the episodes for your score to factor into the show's average or something. So based on that, longer anime are going to have an advantage because they're a much bigger investment, and anybody who can't make it (e.g. doesn't like it) are more likely to drop it early on without it affecting the score. Also, sequels tend to have higher scores anyways for an analogous reason: the pool of watchers dwindles as the series progresses meaning whoever's left watching the sequel is self-selecting. So barring obvious major drops in quality, sequels will almost always have higher scores. That would at least partly explain why most of the top 10 is so highly rated. |
| Longer = more entertaining, more enjoyable. |
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