Arte Episode 2 Discussion

Kimurah said:
This isn't getting any better :/

I get it that Arte is meant to be a character to create awarenes in gender equitity, but it really gets tiresome when everyone and their cat have to throw in the phrase "it's because you're a woman"

I thought we had already filled in the quota of impossible feats to beat with episode 1 and Arte made all those 20 tempera planks, yet again, we have to see that she's some freak of nature and she can "repair" her shed and make it look better than new in just a week without any experience in carpentry or carry 20 sacks of clay that even 2 guys had a hard time carrying them around, but she miraculously finds a way to move all 20 of them without suffering from fatigue or any real toll on all her workout (cept for losing her grip obviously)

Angelo isn't much better. Yeah sure, his SIMP-like behaviour is backed up for his family that completely rely on him doing all the work, but the message from the author is just too blatant, yeah we get it, extremes are bad and not every girl is a damsel in distress, but it felt like this episode couldn't stop beating on a dead horse on these two particular subjects.


Hope episode 3 gets better now that Angelo had his sudden character development and possibly there will be more background characters that don't run on the same hivemind mentaility toiwards Arte.

Teodrik said:
It's great anime, but for the God's sake Japan it's about Renaissance Italy touching someone's hand wasn't accident, they could accidentally sleep togheter at those times.

fuckgendo said:


i mean thats kinda how it was back then. points for realism.

DaGrigo said:

I'm really hoping it gets better later on, this stuff kind of breaks the immersion for me.

Luthandorius said:
Another great episode. I wonder why the score is that low on MAL? (The other anime with the bookworm girl seems to have higher score ... weird.)

UkRs said:
I kinda get the theme.. (probablycuzitsforced) about gender equality.. and I somewhat agree that even now in such a modern time. there is a problem of gender inequality so I can only imagine how it would've been in the past...
HOWEVER! excluding the excessive use of "you are a woman!" , there is something called being a human.. and humans have restrictions.. but Arte doesn't.. (probably) cuz no normal human can lift 2-3 bags of clay.. which from the prespective of needing 2 adult man to pick up with a bit difficulty... So how the hell can Arte pick not just 1 or even 2.. but freaking 10! bags! Arte belonged to somewhat of a noble family so she had a pretty "luxurious" childhood.. it would've made sense if Arte was 20-24 aged.. but she isn't.. she is 15 years old.. a freaking trained 24 year aged adult man may be able to pick 10 freaking bags.. but then.. he would be lying on ground after that, tired and probably unconscious.. or atleast unable to do any lifting for a brief period of time..

Luthandorius said:
Another great episode. I wonder why the score is that low on MAL? (The other anime with the bookworm girl seems to have higher score ... weird.) Mabe it is anti feminists voting it down on purpose? (Because they don't want a strong girl in historic setting because it is "unrealistic".)

Short_Circut said:
ok well I thought at least this episode was gonna tone down on the "bcuz ur a gurl hurhur" theme but I guess gotta wait till next week. Now all we need is for this to become a lesbian romance to complete the holy trinity :P

at least Angello x Arte was kinda cute, shame he's probably gonna get tossed aside for Leo because of his "idc if you're a girl" attitude but oh well. And while I get Arte's mentality of wanting to do things herself, there's nothing wrong with getting help from others. It's weird because I like all the characters in this, but man they really want to get that message across






eh, the general "women can't become painters" attitude maybe yea, but having every single man (apart from the main male mc ofc) using the "because you're a girl" in an obvious antagonistic way? Don't really see the 'realism' there. Then again, this is the renaissance era, so it's not like we have sufficient documentation anyway to determine what's "realistic" or not lmao

supernicolasman said:



Arte's way of thinking is more what would be deemed weird actually. The fact that everyone thought this way was a pretty normal thing at the time. The fact that being a gentleman and gallantry was so big during that time always showed that idea that the men had to protect the feeble woman which would put in everyone's head that women can't do this and that because men do everything for them. And women would think this way as well since everything would be done for them.

So yeah it is quite realistic, the ony thing is that Arte might be too advanced in her way of thinking to actually be from the 16th century.

I mean the fact that she doesn't want any help at all just because she doesn't want to feel helpless and be a bad image for women is not something that woman thought off until at least a few hundreed years later

fuckgendo said:


i mean thats kinda how it was back then. points for realism.

MaahHeim said:
God, I love this so much.

I don't get why people are complaining about the fact that she's a woman being pointed out all the time? I mean, she should be the one complaining, not you guys lmao. Seriously, women face sexism even now. The anime is simply realistic.

Short_Circut said:

Well yeah, I won’t deny the general gentlemeness/gallantry was predominant during those times (at least based on what we know though, ancient history is never going to be 100% accurate) and that it was common for the female to play the more passive role, but the whole everybody except for the main male lead is spouting the exact same lines, in the exact same antagonistic ways is what breaks that immersion, because that kind of mob mentality only really happens in extreme cases (like witch hunts) afaik

But like I said, we can never know exactly for sure, primary sources from these times and before are so flawed yet it’s all we can go off of. Maybe this is exactly how people acted back then idk? Either way it’s a good message the creator is trying to prove, but horrendous execution

Kimurah said:


Realism jumped out the window when a 15 year old girl was able to lift up 50+Kg clay sacks and moved 10 of them without getting fatigue or sored muscles (aside from her grip) when it actually it was needed two bulky guys to move those around

Realism also shot itself on the head and fell into it's casket when it made a 15 year old teenager that knows nothing or has any experience about carpentry, and allowed her to do a complete shed from the ground up.



Because basically the author is indirectly telling their audience that they are idiots and they need to be reminded every 2 minutes that because Arte is a girl, she couldn't do any men's work. We got the message from the very first episode and from the beginning fo this second episode, it's completely unnecesary to make the side characters and background character sing the same tune the whole episode. Who knows how many times the same literal message will it be thrown on to the audience in the enxt episodes. A good writer would make use of "show don't tell" rather than make all the characters "tell" the same message over and over.

supernicolasman said:


It's not really similar to witch craft or mob mentality though.
It's more like they don't want to admit that woman can do this and that because of how they saw the world since they were born where woman always played the passive role and so they can't see or comprehend women doing the same thing as them.
Hence why we alaways get the same response from each person in that anime, it's just that they all think the same way that women can only play one part and are unable to do another thing. Maybe in history they weren't as antagonistic as much as here but they would definitely laugh it off as a joke because they just can't see it as reality or possible.

AZY-sama said:
also, the anti-feminists are just as cancerous as the feminists, js, thinking this show is promoting femimism is utter nonsense