Ryuk9428 said: Quite the opposite of thinking we should shield kids from these things. I find that nothing is healthier for a kid's development than hearing strangers use profanity in public, see people wearing inappropriate T-shirts, couples making out in public, and sexual content in movies/TV. People in the 2000s/early 2010s didn't give a fuck. If you complained about stuff like this, people told you to grow up. But nowadays we're so sensitive and trying to make sure nobody ever has to feel "uncomfortable." The kids who are successfully sheltered from that stuff grow up to be the same insufferable people asking for these bans in the first place. This one. My friend had a sister who is lazy to go to school. He said don't go to school she might becoming smart so she went and became one of the good grade student. All I'm saying is being overprotective would not help in the long run. So yea the ban is silly, I don't wear hoodie my country is hot as the next teen babe. |
| TBH I don't really have to balls to buy & wear an ahegao hoodie in public. HOWEVER I love wearing hoodies AND if it were to be declared illegal, I will buy & wear ahegao hoodies all year long. |
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| They didn't do that in liberal shithole Los angeles? i'm shocked. I go to the anime expo a lot and am going to it this year, I'm shocked they haven't banned this and the Tanya costume. I saw some girl in it and one of the persons doing a panel said oh look it's the tanya costume which was controversial. |
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| Imagine getting so flexed on you ban silly ahegao gear to appease your sponsor overlords instead of defending any of the actual anime subculture at all so venture vultures can plaster adverts and reap maximum profits. Great start to 2020 already. I called this a decade ago when people started wanting to look good to the mainstream. Commercialisation is the death of subcultures because everything is inevitably pushed towards being marketable to the lowest common denominator for maximum gain. I don't feel I need to address the over-sensitive folks out there, that's a personal problem on their end. Deal with it like everyone deals with things they don't like. |
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| The hoodies look ridiculous, but they're just faces. Sexually suggestive? Sure, if you're familiar with the brand and have watched enough hentai. Otherwise, people wouldn't really have a clue what's going on. Heck I had to google it because I had no clue what it was. Seems a bit hypocritical to ban these, but women in cosplay with their tits hanging out and skirts halfway up their arses is acceptable. Not that I'm complaining. |
xenosysJan 26, 2020 8:31 PM
YossaRedMage said: Since a comparison has been made to the Japanese here, can someone please shed light on how the Japanese view these ahegao hoodies?Someone on here once shared with me an insight on how the Japanes otaku community views westerners. They view most westerners as dumb brutes who glorify violence and see anything violent as "adult" and anything cute as for children. (rest of response is more of a direct reply and will be in another post) |
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| And nothing of value was lost. The less those cringy faces appear, the better. |
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| Money makes weird things happen. Conventions wouldn't be folding to this if they weren't afraid of lowered attendance and therefore lower revenue. I guess this is really just capitalism at work; the "consumers" who attend cons are voicing what kind of experience they will or will not pay for, and the company has to decide if they stick to their set of principles or change them so they can survive. |
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YossaRedMage said: ban on intentional shock-humor hoodies portraying orgasming hentai characters with cum on their faces using a stock porn expression => "normies ruin the community", "the scene is [being] infantalized"If you still genuinely don't think normies ruin the community, and believe their puritanical bullshit won't go further until the scene is completely infantalized to keep the mainstream happy, then you're either an idiot in denail, or you support these people and are just trying to gaslight the rest of us. Wow, that line of self-victimization thinking escalated quickly. According to this, my declining to join an outrage agenda makes me either "an idiot in denial" or someone who is "trying to gaslight the rest of us". Whelp. Also, YossaRedMage said: apparently, the idea of "infantalization" used in OP simply means "not displaying explicit sexual content"? That is an odd usage.Their goal is infantalize anime. YossaRedMage said: Well, don't count me in with your crusade. I'm sitting here already reminiscing (non-ironically) on the now-defunct art of coming up with westernized names for anime characters, which made for lots of interesting artistic choices that get overlooked in the usual blanket rejection of the practice, and I'm not about to feel guilty about how I appreciate anime.To everyone else, I'd emplore you to not support westernization. Do not sub to CR or Funimation or any other western service. Do not go to the cons listed in the article. Support not the industry, but specific anime that you like, with merchandise imports. Don't worry, though; I live nowhere near these conventions and I'm cheap as hell anyway. (Well, at least I'd like to think that, but a friend of mine recently introduced me to CDJapan and its backcatalogue of anime OSTs...) Meanwhile, if you're actually interested in supporting works with anime art and sexual content, check out https://jastusa.com/ . There are a fuckton of VNs with sexual content there, and it's all DRM-free. I want to support them so as to support DRM-free gaming (and thereby give Steam the middle finger), but I have trouble finding that much stuff I wanna buy on there since most of it is smutty and I'm not into it. But if you are, please, do patronize them. (Also, https://www.mangagamer.com/ , but I know less about them. But they've got an all DRM-free catalogue too.) YossaRedMage said: If disliking ahegao hoodies and/or considering them to fall within the category of explicit sexual content makes me a "fake fan", then I'm just fine being a "fake fan".If it's just silly meme clothing, why are these fake fans so up in arms about it? YossaRedMage said: If your idea of "sexy cosplay" involves going around with orgasm-derpface complete with dripping liquid on it, I doubt that'll fly either. Having sexual content be shoved behind simple age gates (as well as scheduling such content later in the evening) is common practice at anime conventions. And I'd presume there are similar rules on sexual content in the artists' and dealers' areas. I rummaged through one dealer's stuff and found that their smutty doujin artbooks were under the table, behind the tablecloth. Which really is not a surprise at all. I doubt this stuff freely flies in public in Japan either; if I'm wrong and wearing ahegao shirts in public turns out to be a common (and commonly-accepted) practice in Japan, please let me know.Meanwhile sexy cosplays are still allowed and sexual content is still sold. (also, shut up, Dan) |
GlennMagusHarveyJan 26, 2020 9:21 PM
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| Oh no. What a tragedy. Pardon me while I whip out the world's smallest violin and play a sad, sad song for this terrible loss. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: so we should ban facial expressions now because it offends a few people? Anime is the exact opposite of PC so not surprised. They also banned tanya costume at the crunchyroll expo to cause "facism".YossaRedMage said: ban on intentional shock-humor hoodies portraying orgasming hentai characters with cum on their faces using a stock porn expression => "normies ruin the community", "the scene is [being] infantalized"If you still genuinely don't think normies ruin the community, and believe their puritanical bullshit won't go further until the scene is completely infantalized to keep the mainstream happy, then you're either an idiot in denail, or you support these people and are just trying to gaslight the rest of us. Wow, that line of self-victimization thinking escalated quickly. According to this, my declining to join an outrage agenda makes me either "an idiot in denial" or someone who is "trying to gaslight the rest of us". Whelp. Also, YossaRedMage said: apparently, the idea of "infantalization" used in OP simply means "not displaying explicit sexual content"? That is an odd usage.Their goal is infantalize anime. YossaRedMage said: Well, don't count me in with your crusade. I'm sitting here already reminiscing (non-ironically) on the now-defunct art of coming up with westernized names for anime characters, which made for lots of interesting artistic choices that get overlooked in the usual blanket rejection of the practice, and I'm not about to feel guilty about how I appreciate anime.To everyone else, I'd emplore you to not support westernization. Do not sub to CR or Funimation or any other western service. Do not go to the cons listed in the article. Support not the industry, but specific anime that you like, with merchandise imports. Don't worry, though; I live nowhere near these conventions and I'm cheap as hell anyway. (Well, at least I'd like to think that, but a friend of mine recently introduced me to CDJapan...) Meanwhile, if you're actually interested in supporting works with anime art and sexual content, check out https://jastusa.com/ . There are a fuckton of VNs with sexual content there, and it's all DRM-free. I want to support them so as to support DRM-free gaming (and thereby give Steam the middle finger), but I have trouble finding stuff I want to buy on there since I'm not into stuff that smutty. But if you are, please, do patronize them. (Also, https://www.mangagamer.com/ , but I know less about them. But they've got an all DRM-free catalogue too.) YossaRedMage said: If disliking ahegao hoodies and/or considering them to fall within the category of explicit sexual content makes me a "fake fan", then I'm just fine being a "fake fan".If it's just silly meme clothing, why are these fake fans so up in arms about it? YossaRedMage said: If your idea of "sexy cosplay" involves going around with orgasm-derpface complete with dripping liquid on it, I doubt that'll fly either. Having sexual content be shoved behind simple age gates (as well as scheduling such content later in the evening) is common practice at anime conventions. And I'd presume there are similar rules on sexual content in the artists' and dealers' areas. I rummaged through one dealer's stuff and found that their smutty doujin artbooks were under the table, behind the tablecloth. Which really is not a surprise at all. I doubt this stuff freely flies in public in Japan either; if I'm wrong and wearing ahegao shirts in public turns out to be a common (and commonly-accepted) practice in Japan, please let me know.Meanwhile sexy cosplays are still allowed and sexual content is still sold. (also, shut up, Dan) Let's see what they do next. Maybe big tit girls hopefully then they'll have to cancel the entire thing. Sexy cosplay = half naked woman. Don't he a ass you know what he meant. Maybe theyll do that to since it is "objectifying woman" |
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Kayle_x_Morgana said: Last I checked, bikinis aren't banned.Sexy cosplay = half naked woman. Don't he a ass you know what he meant. Maybe theyll do that to since it is "objectifying woman" |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| LOL at people angry about the banning of ahegao hoodies. Stay mad. Oh and my opinion about sexy cosplay is that it should be covered to an extent when they're not doing a photoshoot. |
| My main "problem" with sexy cosplay is that I don't have a problem with it but I wonder whether the people cosplaying do, since what with the heavy use of air conditioning in convention centers I can't help but wonder if it feels annoyingly drafty to wear revealing clothing. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| A girl is allowed to have her ass cheeks on full display, but some silly faces on a hoodie is too much for the kiddies? What a joke. 😂 |
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| Personally I find it more infantilizing to wear these clothes than to ban them but I'm generally against banning things so I would allow them if it was up to me and then avoid the people wearing them for having shitty meme humour. I can handle the cringe. But it is ridiculous and sad how many people don't seem to understand the difference between cosplay that people pick for themselves which might show a bit of skin and sperm-covered ahegao faces emphasizing the moment of orgasm and females being pleasured into submission, into losing their mind. The levels of sexual objectification and explicitness are obviously not comparable and if you don't see why you're an honest to god retard or being obtuse for the sake of maintaining your argument and your agenda. You'd need to be extremely conservative or muslim to take offense at a bit of skin, but it's honestly not that unreasonable to find ahegao hoodies tasteless and problematic in the presence of children. They basically screencap a very explicit moment from PORN, while cosplay is just clothing that can show some skin, like a swimsuit or a summer dress. |
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Pullman said: Personally I find it more infantilizing to wear these clothes than to ban them but I'm generally against banning things so I would allow them if it was up to me and then avoid the people wearing them for having shitty meme humour. I can handle the cringe. But it is ridiculous and sad how many people don't seem to understand the difference between cosplay that people pick for themselves which might show a bit of skin and sperm-covered ahegao faces emphasizing the moment of orgasm and females being pleasured into submission, into losing their mind. The levels of sexual objectification and explicitness are obviously not comparable and if you don't see why you're an honest to god retard or being obtuse for the sake of maintaining your argument and your agenda. You'd need to be extremely conservative or muslim to take offense at a bit of skin, but it's honestly not that unreasonable to find ahegao hoodies tasteless and problematic in the presence of children. They basically screencap a very explicit moment from PORN, while cosplay is just clothing that can show some skin, like a swimsuit or a summer dress. Excellent post. You just solo'd the thread. Thank you for putting this thought into words. |
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Bobby2Hands said: But without ahegao hoodies how will I know which people to instantly avoid at conventions? its the smell, dude. they smell like fresh liquid soap and regret |
| At this point I really wish they would implement a super strict dress code just to trigger you further. No jeans, no shorts, no sneakers, nothing... full business suit or gtfo. I'd pay top dollar just to screencap your face.  |
Bobby2Hands said: But without ahegao hoodies how will I know which people to instantly avoid at conventions? FELT THIS. “With ahegao hoodies being banned at cons, guess incels will have to find something else to wear. Like deodorant” |
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YossaRedMage said: Meanwhile sexy cosplays are still allowed attractive women existing is not the same thing as wearing literal porn on your clothes you virgin |
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Bunsuke said: YossaRedMage said: Meanwhile sexy cosplays are still allowed attractive women existing is not the same thing as wearing literal porn on your clothes you virgin hahahaha, might as well delete account after that burn |
| Eh... I migth get hate for this but I think that Ahegao hoodies are much more explict than, you know, just being sexy. As long as those cosplayers aren't fucking or nude I don't see that as a double standard. Edit: Now I read the rest of the topic and DAMN, my opnion wasn't controversial at all XD |
No-a-nimeJan 27, 2020 1:47 PM
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lowlifeloveliver said: Bobby2Hands said: But without ahegao hoodies how will I know which people to instantly avoid at conventions? FELT THIS. “With ahegao hoodies being banned at cons, guess incels will have to find something else to wear. Like deodorant” ROFL...that is a sick burn. Allow me to post the Kelso 'BURN' gif for this. :D  |
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| To be fair they’re kinda cringe. I don’t care who you are if you wear this my mind will instantly picture you as an obnoxious, edgy 13 year old. |
MonochrosanityJan 27, 2020 12:10 PM
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AbrahamOmosun said: Since I've never gone for a convention (and might never attend one :'( ) I want to ask, do people wear this stuff regularly and how many have you seen personally I've definitely seen at least a couple at the last convention I went to. |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: A girl is allowed to have her ass cheeks on full display, but some silly faces on a hoodie is too much for the kiddies? What a joke. 😂 Because there's a big difference between ass and cropped porn bruv |
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| It's really petty but there are worse things in the world. But it's weird to think that it got to that point. I can understand banning some prop weapons or yaoi paddles, stuff that can actually be dangerous for people. I wonder what they're going to ban next? |
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Pullman said: AbrahamOmosun said: Since I've never gone for a convention (and might never attend one :'( ) I want to ask, do people wear this stuff regularly and how many have you seen personally I've definitely seen at least a couple at the last convention I went to. Same...and I always feel disgusted lol. Look, parents don't want their kids to see a walking porn ad and that's basically what these things are. Skimpy cosplay are not porn billboards. |
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| I just thank god I've never seen one in person, looks like in Italy they're not popular. We've got oppai shirts everywhere though, with stylized breasts on it. It still is more tasteful. |
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Jus1294 said: TsukuyomiREKT said: A girl is allowed to have her ass cheeks on full display, but some silly faces on a hoodie is too much for the kiddies? What a joke. 😂 Because there's a big difference between ass and cropped porn bruv But they're literally just faces. I mean yeah, they're from porn, but it doesn't show anything else besides the faces. |
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| They forgot to list 'common sense' among the reasons. That should've been enough, really. While it might sound ironic for an anime convention to ban anything based on those reasons, I don't see how ahegao hoodies relate to the way Japanese otaku views westerners. Their opinion shouldn't even matter in the first place, and it's kinda sad to care about it. Calling everyone who disagrees with you an idiot won't get your point (if there's any) across. |
Satyr_iconJan 27, 2020 12:34 PM
TsukuyomiREKT said: But they're literally just faces. I mean yeah, they're from porn, but it doesn't show anything else besides the faces. It's more than likely the idea of it being from such and kids being possibly exposed to that is what's causing them to ban it. I mean ya, it's a grayish line, but I can get where they're coming from to avoid controversy over it. |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: But they're literally just faces. I mean yeah, they're from porn, but it doesn't show anything else besides the faces. But they're orgasm faces. It's gross. It's in really bad taste to walk around wearing that...especially in a con full of minors and very young kids. |
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Jus1294 said: TsukuyomiREKT said: But they're literally just faces. I mean yeah, they're from porn, but it doesn't show anything else besides the faces. It's more than likely the idea of it being from such and kids being possibly exposed to that is what's causing them to ban it. I mean ya, it's a grayish line, but I can get where they're coming from to avoid controversy over it. You know, I understand the "think of the children" argument and why they'd ban it because of that. My problem is that if we're going by this logic, then they should be consistent and also ban skimpy cosplay and hentai booths. If these hoodies are inappropriate for kids, then so are those. |
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| Last MCM convention I went too there was a stall that sold them, loads of people were wearing them it was quite funny. |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: You know, I understand the "think of the children" argument and why they'd ban it because of that. My problem is that if we're going by this logic, then they should be consistent and also ban skimpy cosplay and hentai booths. If these hoodies are inappropriate for kids, then so are those. 1. Skimpy cosplay isn't exposing kids to porn and it still follows the rules of public decency; keep private areas covered. 2. Hentai booths do not permit minors to look at the material. They request I.D. |
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| If wearing ahegao hoodies means you are an edgy 13 year old. Then I say this world needs more edgy 13 year olds to trigger all the sensitive fucks out there. |
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Chiibi said: TsukuyomiREKT said: You know, I understand the "think of the children" argument and why they'd ban it because of that. My problem is that if we're going by this logic, then they should be consistent and also ban skimpy cosplay and hentai booths. If these hoodies are inappropriate for kids, then so are those. 1. Skimpy cosplay isn't exposing kids to porn and it still follows the rules of public decency; keep private areas covered. 2. Hentai booths do not permit minors to look at the material. They request I.D. 1. They can still be inappropriate for children. Also, again, there's no actual porn being shown on the hoodies. 2. It's still in full view though. They don't hide it. |
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| Cosplay? How so? If the convention staff thinks something is TOO inappropriate, they will do something about it. 2. It's still in full view though. They don't hide it. Yeah, they do. They keep the doujinshi in boxes so you can't see covers if you're just walking by. If it's a DVD booth, they cover up nudity with stickers, same with body pillows and nude figures. Hentai panels and things of that sort require a 18+ wristband and they require a Photo I.D. if you register for a wristband. |
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