| Considering that anime is being made in greater numbers than what is really sustainable these days, it's understandable that studios will do whatever they can to get more money out of their series in order to maintain a profit |
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| Which shows with 'decent plot' do you speak of ? A little off topic but people watched Game of thrones unashamedly mind you. |
| Well the one side you don't really see online or late viewing is often late night anime tends to be where shows that include sexual fan service are allocated. It also lets them push premium channels by offering an uncensored option or encouraging blu ray sales depending on the degree of fan service. So with that in mind, shows prominently featuring fan service were never meant to appeal to a larger audience. They're targeting a specific subsection of fans who will also go out of their way to say buy figures of attractive characters or other merchandise or opt in to those premium channels. If you're focusing more on mild fan service like convenient camera angles giving eye candy then that's more of an issue with people not having thicker skin. Because if a clothed butt in frame makes a show borderline unwatchable with other people you must have the most uptight family and friends. For the general argument, is it necessary no but it's also not a negative and doesn't harm the shows in any way. Because you'd have to demonstrate how fan service ruins the plot of a series when generally they have no correlation to each other since that's your main focus. |
| Japan is all about fan service. It can make or break a scene depending on how it's executed. |
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| Nothing is necessary in entertainment, be it whatever it is. Maybe some things are nice to have, fanservice for me is one of them, but nothing is a must because it puts constraints on the creators. |
 Leading biologist Scott Pitnick said: The bigger your 'nads, the smaller your brains |
| Fanservice is not necessary, but can add more entertainment for a show to me. An already good show can be even more enjoyable with some good fanservice and a bad show can be made watchable. |
| No, fanservice is flat out insulting. |
| For some people, a female character existing = 'fanservice' so it depends on how you define it. My answer to the question is always 'yes' because it's a stupid question that assumes that fanservice is replacing some hypothetical 'good plot' or something silly. GamerDLM said: If you're focusing more on mild fan service like convenient camera angles giving eye candy then that's more of an issue with people not having thicker skin. Because if a clothed butt in frame makes a show borderline unwatchable with other people you must have the most uptight family and friends. I think most fanservice is of this nature when you look at anime as a whole, and the irony is that people who have a huge problem with fanservice probably notice this stuff way more than a pervert like me. But I don't know, I have the ability to keep track of multiple things in a scene, so some boob jiggle while a girl is running isn't going to 'distract' me from said running scene. |
| ,,clasic'' fanservice....showing boobs and buts on the screen for no reason....NOPE A good fight scene, a quote, a good pay-off, or a reference...YES.  |
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PLease tell me what anime is this ^^^ I think I have watched it, but I just can't remember than name of the anime !!!! EDIT: Nevermind, I just found out that this from guilty cown anime !!!. I did watch it long time agoo, but that picture is making me want to watch it again !!! |
thepathJun 25, 2019 9:17 AM
| Didn't we just have this thread? Anyway, it depends on the kind of fanservice. As for passive fanservice, I think everyone enjoys seeing attractive characters. As for more prominent fanservice elements, I think what matters more is whether it fits into the tone/feel/etc. of the rest of the story. Oftentimes, "active" fanservice elements (by "active" I mean not just "this character is attractive" but stuff like having a character or the camera actually draw attention to fanservice elements) bring a different focus, often comedic, making them less suitable for more serious stories. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| I don't really get all the animosity towards fan service tbh. When overdone it can be bad, but when it's not overdone it can improve a show. Even with serious plot some less serious moments are needed and fan service is a good way to fill those. As to why it's used should be pretty self-apparent. Fan service is popular, especially in Japan, so it can drive sales up. And as I said, often it can also improve show. Shows like Monogatari without fan service would not be as great as they are, imo. As long as you don't watch shows where they overdo it, it's pretty good. And it's not like there aren't plenty of fan-service-less shows for people that dislike that sort of thing. It's simply a valid artistic, or business, choice. |
No, as others have said nothing is necessary for our entertainment. Not even good writting. That's why stuff like BNHA is inmensely popular despite its lack of originality. It proves that you don't need a good story or original writing or character development to succed. It's particularly insulting when you have a good product that you taint with unnecesary fanservice like Nier Automata or Code Geass s1 (the only 1 i watched). |
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| Fan service isn't needed, it doesn't do anything for the story. Though it wouldn't be anime without fan service. |
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| No it's not but that's just my opinion |
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KingsGlaive42 said: Fan service isn't needed, it doesn't do anything for the story. Though it wouldn't be anime without fan service. Wait, what? There are plenty of Anime out there without fanservice. How are they "not" Anime? |
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Seiya said: KingsGlaive42 said: Fan service isn't needed, it doesn't do anything for the story. Though it wouldn't be anime without fan service. Wait, what? There are plenty of Anime out there without fanservice. How are they "not" Anime? Yeah, your right. What I meant to say was that fanservice has been in many animes, and those animes wouldn't be the same if we removed all the fanservice. |
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| It depends on the show you're watching, as always, but for the most part I guess I'd say... no. Sometimes a show can have some of the sexier elements removed or toned down from what they were in the source material and it just makes no difference. Soul Eater for example: The manga is way hornier than the anime, which toned it down a ton, basically showing that the fanservice added so little that removing it made basically no difference to the rest of the show, or how much people liked it. It works like any element of a story really. You've got to think "what is this thing adding and (if it is adding something) is that something worth keeping?" Oh, and probably good to consider who it's for as well. That can be important. |
ChilliePeppersJun 25, 2019 9:52 AM
| If there are enough people making lewd fanarts of the characters, then no, fanservice is not needed. If not, then yes, fanservice is needed. |
 What's the difference? |
thepath said: PLease tell me what anime is this ^^^ I think I have watched it, but I just can't remember than name of the anime !!!! EDIT: Nevermind, I just found out that this from guilty cown anime !!!. I did watch it long time agoo, but that picture is making me want to watch it again !!! Tari Tari !! But I don't know if that scene is from the main series or the OVA!! >_< :)) |
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| Bold of you to assume horny otakus care about plot more than T&A. |
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DoruCatana said: Tari Tari !! But I don't know if that scene is from the main series or the OVA!! >_< :)) ... It's from Guilty Crown, as the guy said in his post. |
What's the difference? |
| Fanservice is always needed, it's the best thing anime has to offer |
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| Well,you can't enjoy life without fanservice XD |
| Although I'm not a huge fan of unwanted fan-service in anime but I believe fan-service is quite necessary. It it what makes anime different from other mediums, and it is the reason why I believe anime is not mainstream yet, which is good for us fans |
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Daemon said: DoruCatana said: Tari Tari !! But I don't know if that scene is from the main series or the OVA!! >_< :)) ... It's from Guilty Crown, as the guy said in his post. I saw Guilty Crown and I don't remember that scene at all...the girl from the gif looks more like Okita Sawa from Tari Tari then any female character from Guilty Crown.... based on my ,,research'' on MAL at least....nevermind...I don't care that much about those bikini. :-p >_< |
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DoruCatana said: thepath said: PLease tell me what anime is this ^^^ I think I have watched it, but I just can't remember than name of the anime !!!! EDIT: Nevermind, I just found out that this from guilty cown anime !!!. I did watch it long time agoo, but that picture is making me want to watch it again !!! Tari Tari !! But I don't know if that scene is from the main series or the OVA!! >_< :)) No, it is from Guilty Crown Episode 8 The one from Tari Tari look different .  |
thepath said: DoruCatana said: Tari Tari !! But I don't know if that scene is from the main series or the OVA!! >_< :)) No, it is from Guilty Crown Episode 8 The one from Tari Tari look different . You're right, I just checked !! Damn !! I do not remembered Gulty Crown to have so much ,,fanservices'' >_<...Maybe I'll rewatch it too :)) >_< |
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| Why does it only have to be sexual fan service? What about the other ones? |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Nope,it's not really necessary. But when you start poking holes in anime alot of stuff looks unnecessary. Yelling the name of your attack for example, among many other things only anime seems to do. |
| Is this same topic being posted every day necessary? |
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Setsuei said: Nope,it's not really necessary. But when you start poking holes in anime alot of stuff looks unnecessary. Yelling the name of your attack for example, among many other things only anime seems to do. But, you know... yelling your attack gives you 30% extra power to crush your enemy '~')/ |
| Necessary for plot? Depends. For narrative? Depends too. If you want to argue in a general sense i will say yes it is necessary because by saying no that excludes every context where it is necessary. If you want to argue on a case by case basis then that's a different conversation entirely. For example in MHA S1 during the USJ fight for Momo, i'd say her fan-service after she created the insulated sheet to protect Earphone Jack and herself from the electricity is necessary for her characterization. Momo isn't worried about her indecency in the middle of a battle while Jack is, this characterization builds on why Momo has her hero costume designed to be revealing as it's not only necessary for her quirk but that she's not bothered by sexualizing herself either, this is further built upon in her and Shotos fight against Aizawa. Whether or not it's indecent in the first place is up for debate in the world of MHA as we had that on air debate with Midnight and Mt. Lady that went downhill. PS: Seems like OP posted the thread and immediately signed off. Why do people do that? |
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Jakkun said: Setsuei said: Nope,it's not really necessary. But when you start poking holes in anime alot of stuff looks unnecessary. Yelling the name of your attack for example, among many other things only anime seems to do. But, you know... yelling your attack gives you 30% extra power to crush your enemy '~')/ My theory is they do it so that they don't forget the names of their own attacks. |
| Fanservice, which seems to have been equalized to 'ecchi' can indeed be, and in many shows is, necessary. Sometimes for characterization, sometimes it's the main focus and selling point of the show (ecchi anime), and sometimes nudity/sexuality is a theme that can be explored. Now, the nudity that is used just for the sake of it, in a show that doesn't sell itself as ecchi, nor seeks to explore/use it in any meaningful way could indeed be called 'fanservice' and as such is unnecessary. But that is not to say it's bad, I like it, for one. It's just that such a show could work without it. It's fine to dislike it and prefer shows that don't do that, I understand. But when I see people calling it 'insulting' or some shit? ehhh, fuck off |
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| It helps kill off tention built up inside from various experiences.~ |
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| dunno. It's always been a bonus for for the most part. However much and type of and how well it fits in though varies from Anime to Anime. But as whole. I enjoy it. |
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Stlastd said: I know it's quite a well known fact that many shows use fan service as to 'sell' . But I don't see the point of having them in shows with decent plot. Moreover , won't lack of fanservice would make the shows suitable for a larger audience who avoid watching anime because of it? For example, I would like to watch a ton of shows with my friends or family which I normally can't. Btw as you might have guessed, I am talking about sexual fans service. Okay..... I mean anime is kinda tame on the sexual front compared to a lot of other popular media out there mainly TV (The Expanse, Game of Thrones, Westworld etc) Also where did you get its trying to go for pure mass appeal? Shows like MHA can garner mass audiences from fanservice because they are trying to sell to teenage boys. Teenage boys like attractive female characters pretty simple. Dedicated ecchi shows are not in the slightest trying to appeal outside of a niche demographic. Anime/manga is always going to be fairly niche even in Japan. It is a smarter move to appeal to those who appreciate the niche aspects of anime than go after an incredibly mainstream audience that isn't guaranteed to be there. It's not some sort of plague though tons of anime you can rec that have literally no fanservice or sexual content. |
Stlastd said: In a general sense sexual fan service doesn't strip anime of a larger audience, it certainly doesn't do it in western comics either. Will some niche be against it on principle? Sure, but that goes for everything, even a lack of fan service.Lunilah said: Necessary for plot? Depends. For narrative? Depends too. If you want to argue in a general sense i will say yes it is necessary because by saying no that excludes every context where it is necessary. If you want to argue on a case by case basis then that's a different conversation entirely. For example in MHA S1 during the USJ fight for Momo, i'd say her fan-service after she created the insulated sheet to protect Earphone Jack and herself from the electricity is necessary for her characterization. Momo isn't worried about her indecency in the middle of a battle while Jack is, this characterization builds on why Momo has her hero costume designed to be revealing as it's not only necessary for her quirk but that she's not bothered by sexualizing herself either, this is further built upon in her and Shotos fight against Aizawa. Whether or not it's indecent in the first place is up for debate in the world of MHA as we had that on air debate with Midnight and Mt. Lady that went downhill. PS: Seems like OP posted the thread and immediately signed off. Why do people do that? I apologize but it's just that I login to Mal quite less these days. It's not like I am solely discussing the worth of fanservice. I mean to ask doesn't it strip anime of a larger audience? |
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| Because that's the only thing the moralfag complains about. Plotless cute and tender moments are just as much "fan-service" but the sex-negative moralfag has nothing to complain there. |
 It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: There's nothing wrong with having an actual discussion around something specific, especially when you're seeking clarity on it. It's not a statement piece or a shoving my opinion down your throat thread, so i don't know what you're so worked up about.Because that's the only thing the moralfag complains about. Plotless cute and tender moments are just as much "fan-service" but the sex-negative moralfag has nothing to complain there. |
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It depends ,,, If its nice lesbian kissing fan service as in "Sakura Trick" i fucking love it ...As long its not to aggressive or over sexual i have no problem with it  |
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