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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- That's a pretty creepy marionette... Fits for the style of this show though in many ways. I think in general, this episode retains its eerie drama with less humor now. The human marionettes were even more creepy tbh since it looked more realistic than they appears to be. (liked the usage of the music though, fits almost perfectly for this episode) |
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| This was the hardest episode for me to watch The first part with the stone and the holes creeped me out and made me feel very uncomfortable because just looking at how the holes made my skin crawl and I'm just uncomfortable just thinking about it all right now And then the second part with the puppets was just tragic af and I felt so bad for the MC's girl, his brother and his family....Man that was just pure madness |
| rip people with trypophobia |
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| wow, these two episodes is just great, i never thought they will animated Marionette Mansion, at least not this early. the part when the MC’s girlfriend being controlled was just really creepy, i just shook for a second there, it’s way more creepier than the manga to be honest. and also the music is really eerie, they played such a bizzare music for that situation, it perfectly suited. Shiver is also great, to see that many hole is just disgusting, the end is just so open i dont know what to expect after all of these holes. after 4 episode, it just getting better and better with these stories, i hope they will animated the more sadistic one like Splatter Film or even Tomio in general, we need more sadist stuff. |
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| Honestly I couldn't really watch the first part, it has always been my least favorite of Junji Ito's works. I really liked the second one, though the ending line "Or were they puppets all along" made me laugh.  |
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| The first part with all those holes was really hard to watch. It made my skin crawl and made me feel uncomfortable. The second part was quite tragic. What a shame for what happened to them. |
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| Now this is what I've been wanting to see from this series! This episode was the best overall for me so far. Last episode probably had the best segment with Pretty Boy Crossroads, but it was marred by just suddenly ending without any attempt at a real conclusion (which I hear was due to not adapting the whole story). This one didn't have any real distracting problems like that though, so it kept me in the show the whole time. |
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Unyversu said: rip people with trypophobia this episode triggered the shit out of me! |
Inukanura said: I hope they will animated the more sadistic one like Splatter Film. Just like Amigara, we wont get that since it isnt a stories from Kyoufu Manga Collection :/ talkin' about wasted potential, we wont get Army of One and Black Bird too, what a shame. *still hoping they will adapt the Bully and Out of It's Element* |
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Unyversu said: rip people with trypophobia The first part sure gave me a hard goosebump the whole of its duration and persisted until the end of the episode. Jeez, while typing this, it still feel my back coldly umconfortable. |
| If this episode doesn't tempt people to start rating this higher, I don't know what will. |
| Getting better by each new episode, creepiest to the date. |
| Damn, that second story was creepy as hell. His big bro was right, the puppets were the ones in control. The ending of the episode was one of the best things I've watched this anime so far. Wish I could say the same about the first story but it was meh. Didn't make any sense or wasn't creepy at all. Found it a bit dumb besides the idea of feeling the air going inside you through those holes and having bugs crawling inside you. Still a good episode that managed to make me really uncomfortable with the thought of having my body filled with holes or being manipulated by a puppet. |
Futari wa Milky Holmes was a mistake Yoshii did nothing wrong |
| I wonder if its intentional that every episode gets creepier and gross. Anyway, good episode as always. |
| This episode and the second one were the best (for me) I especially liked the second part, the one with the dolls. The first part amused me at first, when I saw those holes I thought about cheese but... anyway, great episode! I wish people would rate this anime higher, it honestly deserves more. I guess they just like the manga more. That's why I'm really curious and I'll check it out. |
| Yes the House of the Marionettes is one of my favorites stories and i'm glad they made it too. So far i got 3 of my favorite stories already although the Crossroads Pretty Boy suffered way too much with the lacking of time to adapt the whole thing so i didn't like it. It's a pity that they can't really capture Ito's great art style, but it's good enough i guess.  |
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| Jade jewel curse putting holes and bugs in people. Never trust a doll especially if it's named Jean-Pierre. |
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| There are some plot holes in the ep but its fine. |
sasalx said: There are some plot holes in the ep but its fine. i see what you did there |
| Both stories kinda creeped me out,especially the first one. This might be the best episode so far. |
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| Good episode in general but if only each story got a bit of a proper ending would've been ideal,but its still very good regardless. I like how there were some time progression in the puppet story. I liked how that girl came back and she had a crush on the boy and even got jealous. What i didnt get tho: 1) what's the deal with the doll, was she mad that many years ago the girl called her ugly and dropped her? and now she is up for vengeance? 2) would the doll made brother and others puppets regardless? and was father a puppet too? brother did mention something like that. I relaly liked how MC beat the shit outta that doll, in general he was very brave i applaud him *clap* i totally thoguht he is a goner, he acted really quick. Btw i really do wonder one more thing, how did puppet bring brother so much money, like what did she do. In the first story i was really scared for MC, all death flags were upon him, but i guess creator doesnt like killing off MC, not the first time im noticing this, MC is always the one to survive and thank god since you are connected to MC of the story the most and if he dies it gets kinda empty and sad :( also you instinctively root for MC so... But damn that guy was dumb af... why'd you go look for that jade hole when you know just by looking at it your granfather got into that state. I thought he'd die when his friend was trying to get in, but thank god. Also who is this doctor. And i like how there was some explanation as to how they found the jade stone, the girl was pointing in that direction. |
| NOW this is the real horrifying episode... i wa literally creeped out by all the holes and then the 2nd part literally made me shit my pants... |
Hirugiku said: Good episode in general but if only each story got a bit of a proper ending would've been ideal,but its still very good regardless. I like how there were some time progression in the puppet story. I liked how that girl came back and she had a crush on the boy and even got jealous. What i didnt get tho: 1) what's the deal with the doll, was she mad that many years ago the girl called her ugly and dropped her? and now she is up for vengeance? 2) would the doll made brother and others puppets regardless? and was father a puppet too? brother did mention something like that. I relaly liked how MC beat the shit outta that doll, in general he was very brave i applaud him *clap* i totally thoguht he is a goner, he acted really quick. Btw i really do wonder one more thing, how did puppet bring brother so much money, like what did she do. In the first story i was really scared for MC, all death flags were upon him, but i guess creator doesnt like killing off MC, not the first time im noticing this, MC is always the one to survive and thank god since you are connected to MC of the story the most and if he dies it gets kinda empty and sad :( also you instinctively root for MC so... But damn that guy was dumb af... why'd you go look for that jade hole when you know just by looking at it your granfather got into that state. I thought he'd die when his friend was trying to get in, but thank god. Also who is this doctor. And i like how there was some explanation as to how they found the jade stone, the girl was pointing in that direction. Yes Jean-Pierre got furious with Kinuko because she smashed into the wall when she was younger. In the anime the scene didn't have much impact i would say, but in the manga the puppet seems to hit the wall as if he was throw by a gorilla. The scene is still the same though. There is nothing indicating that Jean-Pierre new anything about Kinuko. Things were working like he wanted, but when she appeared he went crazy which makes me think he was not expecting to see her at all. He was obviously an evil puppet so killing her for what she did to him is not strange at all. You are wrong here, there are some MCs on Ito's stories that die. In fact, i think a lot of them die. Funnily enough (don't read if you plan to read Ito Junji Collection cause this is a spoiler of the end of one story) |
| I despise woke people. |
Kaetokiha said: Hirugiku said: Good episode in general but if only each story got a bit of a proper ending would've been ideal,but its still very good regardless. I like how there were some time progression in the puppet story. I liked how that girl came back and she had a crush on the boy and even got jealous. What i didnt get tho: 1) what's the deal with the doll, was she mad that many years ago the girl called her ugly and dropped her? and now she is up for vengeance? 2) would the doll made brother and others puppets regardless? and was father a puppet too? brother did mention something like that. I relaly liked how MC beat the shit outta that doll, in general he was very brave i applaud him *clap* i totally thoguht he is a goner, he acted really quick. Btw i really do wonder one more thing, how did puppet bring brother so much money, like what did she do. In the first story i was really scared for MC, all death flags were upon him, but i guess creator doesnt like killing off MC, not the first time im noticing this, MC is always the one to survive and thank god since you are connected to MC of the story the most and if he dies it gets kinda empty and sad :( also you instinctively root for MC so... But damn that guy was dumb af... why'd you go look for that jade hole when you know just by looking at it your granfather got into that state. I thought he'd die when his friend was trying to get in, but thank god. Also who is this doctor. And i like how there was some explanation as to how they found the jade stone, the girl was pointing in that direction. Yes Jean-Pierre got furious with Kinuko because she smashed into the wall when she was younger. In the anime the scene didn't have much impact i would say, but in the manga the puppet seems to hit the wall as if he was throw by a gorilla. The scene is still the same though. There is nothing indicating that Jean-Pierre new anything about Kinuko. Things were working like he wanted, but when she appeared he went crazy which makes me think he was not expecting to see her at all. He was obviously an evil puppet so killing her for what she did to him is not strange at all. You are wrong here, there are some MCs on Ito's stories that die. In fact, i think a lot of them die. Funnily enough (don't read if you plan to read Ito Junji Collection cause this is a spoiler of the end of one story) thanks for reply, that actually makes more sense now. I guess manga is just a better story teller, but i feel like anime does a pretty good job as well. Feels bad for all those MC that are gonna die,damn now i dont have the insurance that i once had. Now im gonna be scared for all those MCs knowing that they dont have that protection of being unkillable MC. One last question, what are the ITO collections, like next episode is gonna be collection 40 and 49, what are those numbers? is it a chapter? if so why not start with first chapters? |
Hirugiku said: thanks for reply, that actually makes more sense now. I guess manga is just a better story teller, but i feel like anime does a pretty good job as well. Feels bad for all those MC that are gonna die,damn now i dont have the insurance that i once had. Now im gonna be scared for all those MCs knowing that they dont have that protection of being unkillable MC. One last question, what are the ITO collections, like next episode is gonna be collection 40 and 49, what are those numbers? is it a chapter? if so why not start with first chapters? Ito has a lot of stories published, most of them are just one chapter long while others may be an one-shot (1 volume). The ITOU JUNJI KYOUFU MANGA COLLECTION is collection of Ito's stories. There are 16 volumes with varying numbers of chapters in them. This anime is just going to animate some stories of those 16 volumes, but there are many other stories like Jigokusei Remina, Black Paradox, Gyo...that are not part of this collection. That collection number is...i don't know. I thought they were the number that they appeared in the collection, but the numbers don't seem to be right. If i were to be counting i would say that the next stories are Ryokan (Hell's Bathhouse) and The Conversation Room, but i don't think i'm right. All the stories of the collection have been translated. The collection has these stories: (spoiler tag to make the post smaller) |
KaeUBWJan 26, 2018 3:16 PM
| I despise woke people. |
| The second half was bizarre af but entertaining after all, the music was a plus tbh. And in the first half for some reason, I was expecting to see some bugs coming out of that holes... idk, there were so many skin shots that I was expecting something nasty to come out of them... |
| Just when you thought it couldn't get any more creepy or trippy, this episode comes around, lol. |
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LeturLefr said: Just like Amigara, we wont get that since it isnt a stories from Kyoufu Manga Collection :/ talkin' about wasted potential, we wont get Army of One and Black Bird too, what a shame. *still hoping they will adapt the Bully and Out of It's Element* too bad Army of One is a one-shot chapter in Hellstar Remina, that story is way too scary, no context and closure at all, all those stiching ugh... there were alot of good stories in Ma no Kakera, i really want to see Red Turtleneck and Dissection Girl |
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| Not as scary as the previous episodes, but the first half bothered me so much because of the holes. Trypophobia, yamerooooooo! The puppet half is okay, but it makes you think if his brother and his family were puppets ever since they entered the house. So weird. 4/5. |
     "Maybe he's trying to take a shit, but the shit just won't come out." Captain Levi, 2014 (／^-^)／☆♪  ♪☆＼(^０^＼) |
| The first part really caught my attention, not for the holes in the skin, but for the uncertainty of seeing any insect flying out of the victims or something like that, thank goodness that didn't happen... I hate insects! >.< The second part was interesting and disturbing as well. Poor MC's girlfriend and family. |
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| What a great episode. The second story was creepy af T_T This is getting better and better each episode. |
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| That's weird. I didn't find this episode creepy at all, but reading other comments seems that I'm among the very few ones who actually think that way. Still liking this a lot but this ep was probably the one I liked the least so far. I found both stories interesting but none of them really left an impression on me. |
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| Holy crap the first story is so good, so good that every part of my body started to itch, the goosebumps was taken to another level. |
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| ok both stories were creepy the second being more than the first...why did they became puppets ..so many questions never to get their answers |
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| Another creepy and unsettling episode! This show just keeps getting better man! |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| Best episode so far, the second part with the puppets was beautiful. |
Pedigerous2424 said: The characters where complete and utterly retarded in this episode, why didn't the guy in the first story smash the jade/ bury it instead of picking it up, If the guy was so worried about his brother, why didn't he just try and scout out other people to help his brother, how did the girl end up mistaking a puppet for a women, and think he was cheating on her. plot points that where supposed to be "scary" just ended up cheesy and dumb, especially the "I guess they where just puppets all along", that part just make's me cringe so hard. C'mon dude you're not even trying to use your brain here while saying "they are retarded", which is ironic. The guy in the first story said very clearly, he picked the jade stone cause he thought it was worth money and he didn't thought the curse was real. You say "bury the stone", but the girl who was being cursed didn't even had the stone with her (it was on her yard), but she was still being cursed. Probably as soon as you become the owner of the jade you will be cursed until someone else become the new owner. You say the MC should go after someone to help his bother...help from what? His brother was doing that to himself, he was not being forced to do it, at least at that point of the story that's what it seems. He was not trying to help his brother (he never said that) he was just going to the house because his brother lived there, but he was bothered that his sister started to live there as well. The girl thought the puppet was a woman cause she was outside of the house looking into a small window on the second floor. How the fuck would she know that there is life sized puppets in that house? C'mon dude would you know it just by looking over a window from very far away? It's much easier to assume it's a woman. |
KaeUBWJan 27, 2018 3:04 PM
| I despise woke people. |
| first part made me cringe a bit, i hate that shit. |
| Shivers is the story I skipped when reading Ito's work, thanks Trypophobia. I tried to watch it but I felt so uneasy that I couldn't, so I skipped forward to the next story. I love House of Puppets, it's so creepy and eery. And what an atmosphere they've created with the story, I'm happy with the adaption :) It is the anime of the season to me. |
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Pedigerous2424 said: Kaetokiha said: C'mon dude you're not even trying to use your brain here while saying "they are retarded", which is ironic. The guy in the first story said very clearly, he picked the jade stone cause he thought it was worth money and he didn't thought the curse was real. You say "bury the stone", but the girl who was being cursed didn't even had the stone with her (it was on her yard), but she was still being cursed. Probably as soon as you become the owner of the jade you will be cursed until someone else become the new owner. You say the MC should go after someone to help his bother...help from what? His brother was doing that to himself, he was not being forced to do it, at least at that point of the story that's what it seems. He was not trying to help his brother (he never said that) he was just going to the house because his brother lived there, but he was bothered that his sister started to live there as well. The girl thought the puppet was a woman cause she was outside of the house looking into a small window on the second floor. How the fuck would she know that there is life sized puppets in that house? C'mon dude would you know it just by looking over a window from very far away? It's much easier to assume it's a woman. Okay, fair enough,admittedly, I believe that post I made wasn't a very good one, and if I had thought about it a bit more most of those flaws proberbly would have been solved, while I am enjoying the show, I do believe it is very flawed and I will try and hopefully create some better arguments in this post: 1.When the man touched the Jade, why did the disease act instantly? You could say that it was extreme wind, but according to the Mc's Grandad the holes take a few days to show up but now it shows up instantly? Now you could say it was due to the Grandad, the baby and the girl all remaining inside and maybe the holes open quicker in winds, but it just seems unlikely and it feels like it just came out of no-where. 2.The Jade itself is covered in holes, any form of motting, dark holes or irregular specks or blotches that detract from overall appearances of the Jade will reduce the price of the gem, also, look at the colouring, the colouring is more on the lighter side, and the more dark the Jade is, the more money it's worth, given it's lighter colour and lots of holes/dents would have most likely made it worth little to no value. Next is the puppet story, admittedly, the arguments about the brother getting help and the girl noticing the puppet weren't the greatist but: 1.knowing the MC's girlfriend's personality, it seems unlikely for her to automatically accuse the MC of cheating on her, it feels like it's just an excuse for her to enter the house, why did the brother and his family suddenly turn into puppets, why didn't the MC's sister turn into a puppet to? And I'm saying all of this as a Massive Ito fan to, please respond soon since I love hearing criticism about my writing I'm not that other dude but I would like to add to the conversation a bit. The puppet situation specifically. While I don't know what sort of supernatural forces played a role in them turning into puppets, it most likely depended on how long they had lived under the influence of Jean-Pierre, the evil puppet thing. The older brother was with him for years after running away, and who knows how long his family had been with him since while the little sister had only been there a few days. The time spent determined the after effects of Jean-Pierre being destroyed, with the older bro turning into full-on puppets while the little sister, as she said, couldn't get up. And as for the jade and it's value... I didn't know any of that and probably would have thought it had some decent value as well... |
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Pedigerous2424 said: Kaetokiha said: C'mon dude you're not even trying to use your brain here while saying "they are retarded", which is ironic. The guy in the first story said very clearly, he picked the jade stone cause he thought it was worth money and he didn't thought the curse was real. You say "bury the stone", but the girl who was being cursed didn't even had the stone with her (it was on her yard), but she was still being cursed. Probably as soon as you become the owner of the jade you will be cursed until someone else become the new owner. You say the MC should go after someone to help his bother...help from what? His brother was doing that to himself, he was not being forced to do it, at least at that point of the story that's what it seems. He was not trying to help his brother (he never said that) he was just going to the house because his brother lived there, but he was bothered that his sister started to live there as well. The girl thought the puppet was a woman cause she was outside of the house looking into a small window on the second floor. How the fuck would she know that there is life sized puppets in that house? C'mon dude would you know it just by looking over a window from very far away? It's much easier to assume it's a woman. Okay, fair enough,admittedly, I believe that post I made wasn't a very good one, and if I had thought about it a bit more most of those flaws proberbly would have been solved, while I am enjoying the show, I do believe it is very flawed and I will try and hopefully create some better arguments in this post: 1.When the man touched the Jade, why did the disease act instantly? You could say that it was extreme wind, but according to the Mc's Grandad the holes take a few days to show up but now it shows up instantly? Now you could say it was due to the Grandad, the baby and the girl all remaining inside and maybe the holes open quicker in winds, but it just seems unlikely and it feels like it just came out of no-where. 2.The Jade itself is covered in holes, any form of motting, dark holes or irregular specks or blotches that detract from overall appearances of the Jade will reduce the price of the gem, also, look at the colouring, the colouring is more on the lighter side, and the more dark the Jade is, the more money it's worth, given it's lighter colour and lots of holes/dents would have most likely made it worth little to no value. Next is the puppet story, admittedly, the arguments about the brother getting help and the girl noticing the puppet weren't the greatist but: 1.knowing the MC's girlfriend's personality, it seems unlikely for her to automatically accuse the MC of cheating on her, it feels like it's just an excuse for her to enter the house, why did the brother and his family suddenly turn into puppets, why didn't the MC's sister turn into a puppet to? And I'm saying all of this as a Massive Ito fan to, please respond soon since I love hearing criticism about my writing Ok this time your doubts are are much better and i think i can answer them all because they were caused by the anime having to skip dialogues to fit all in 20 min so what i'm going to post comes from the manga. I don't know anything about values of precious stones, but outside of the market value of a stone (a jade in this case) we also have the value of it being a relic of sort (not in all cases, but it applies here). In this case the jade stone clearly was not a common jade so anyone who saw it would recognize its value. There is another problem, the bigger one actually.The jade stone can mesmerize people. The MC's granddad mention that he was staring at the jade stone for a whole day (in the anime too). In the anime, everything seemed to occur in one or two days, but in the manga it clearly occurs in more than a weeks time (not sure how many days though). I'll post some pics in spoiler to not hinder other people. This here happens after the MC and the friend saw the granddads diary... notice the "long time no see". He had the jade stone already in this part. This here happens after the MC saw his friend in the image above. This shows that the girl already was freed from the curse. The anime showed this as a last scene. And finally, in the scene with friend things are made clear that the jade stone really can mesmerize some people and the dumb friend have been holding the stone for a while even though he thought about getting rid of it. In the puppet story...The deal with the Kinuko (the MC's girlfriend) is that they didn't see each other since he went to his brother house and went she went to talk to him he was not talking to her. Here i REALLY think the MC was being a complete retarded to not talk to her and explain things properly. She ended up thinking that he found a new girl, he denies, but she is a girl you know so she as suspicious and followed him to big bother's house and the she saw that scene that made she believe that he was have a happy time with a girl. Their conversation was cut in the anime that's why it was strange to see her going to the house, but in the manga i can see it as being justified because of how the MC acted. And as @DuoraDoll said, the time his brother and family spent being puppets seemed to be the cause of they turning into puppets. The MC says "two years having their string pulled and they had become puppets". His sister was there for a couple of days or weeks so she was still fine even though she couldn't even move by herself anymore (something that would back with time). |
KaeUBWJan 28, 2018 11:14 AM
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joker341 said: Probably my favourite episode for now! I loved the House of Puppets story, it was flawless. The music and the disturbing puppet visuals were top notch and I adored the ending with Jean-Pierre making the girl into a puppet. The first story I thought was alright. I loved the visuals of the holes on the body, but the exposition from the diary and the abrupt ending kind of took me away from the story... Also, how did noone find the jade if it was at such an obvious place? Nobody besides the MC and his friend knew about the Jade |
borkiiii said: I wonder if its intentional that every episode gets creepier and gross. Anyway, good episode as always. That would be amazing The puppet segment was the best so far, almost had me frightened a bit. But not close enough yet. |
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| Best episode yet! I really like the unique eeriness these stories have without cliche villains and horror tropes. Looking forward to continuations of some of these stories. |
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