| It's amazing how critics/reviewrs' mind work: they make lots of complains about many different anime, and claim that their complains will make the anime industry to grow (or the gaming/music/book industry) and produce more "quality" products, and still, when they have the CHANCE TO TALK DIRECTLY WITH THE AUTHOR OF AN ANIME/MANGA/LIGHT NOVEL, they COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT POSSIBILITY. Fairy Tail is considered a bas anime by many people, it's constatly mocked EVERYWHERE in the anime community (but at least the FT fans are good people, the haters, on the other hand...). Did you know that Hiro Mashima has an Twitter account? YES, HE HAS ONE! Remember all the times you trash-talked about Fairy Tail? YOU COULD HAVE TALKED WITH HIRO MASHIMA DIRECTLY! HE SPEAKS ENGLISH, AND IS OPEN TO CRITICISM, AND STILL NO ONE, AND I REPEAT, NO ONE IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO TALK TO HIM! You know why? Because trash talk on people's backs is easy, while criticise directly on people's face isn't. Congratulations, critics! You had the chance of change a work you hate to that masterpiece you always wanted to see, you had the chance of tell an author to improve his work! You had the chance of make THAT CHANGE IN THE INDUSTRY YOU ALWAYS CLAIM TO MAKE, but don't did that. YOU MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY OF TRANFORM YOUR TRASH-TALK IN ACTUAL CRITICISM! Every time I have a complain about an company's attitude, I don't waste my time crying on Facebook, I ACTUALLY SEND AN FUCKING EMAIL TO THE COMPANY! THAT'S HOW THE FIRST INAZUMA ELEVEN GAME GOT AN AMERICAN RELEASE! YES, IT WAS BECAUSE OF ME! A guy, instead of just chill down, asked to The Pokémon Company what is a Pokémon Master, and they REPLIED. Maybe when you got a company's email, or talk directly with an author, you can actually change something! And you still wonder why I don't take reviewers seriously? |
| maybe next time you want to make a vent thread, you should just make a vent blog post instead |
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| I think it would be pretty hard for some authors to endure all this criticism. I also think it would be in many cases pointless since they arent even able to create anything of higher value regardless of how often they get reminded. |
 Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| Does this action, or lack thereof, make the criticisms any less valid, or the praise any more accurate? Honestly, tweeting this would seem like a waste of time. I could criticize his work, but most of my criticisms, if aimed at remediation of whatever lack of quality I found unsatisfactory, would most likely alter the source material or manga completely. It is his work after all, and I am not an editor. I could very well read another book or novel, after typing down my thoughts, before ignoring the work completely. Also, keep in mind that how a company handles business, such as releasing a game, is fundamentally different from artistic works. Showing support that would likely lead to monetary reward is one argument, criticizing a work of art dependent on our own subjective tastes is another. In any case, listening to your critcis and your fanbase too much can just as well ruin a work. I just don't see a point in hanging around on one media I hate, anymore than I see the purpose of hanging on to a criticism that I disagree with. |
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| It's fine that Mashima is open to criticism, but none of us is enough of an ass to come and tell him how to do his work. I have my right to my own opinion and Mashima (or whoever) has the right to write and draw whatever he wants. Even if his work wasn't successful that would be plain uncalled for. |
| I mean, everyone is entitled to their own opinions so its not wrong if critics think that their complaints will help Japan make better anime. |
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| At the same time, it can ruin their work because if they listen too much to the fans and critics, the original idea of the author will be ruined. The author is the one making the story, not the fans. Number 1 rule as an author, it is YOUR story, not the one reading it. |
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Vini310 said: Fairy Tail is considered a bas anime by many people, it's constatly mocked EVERYWHERE in the anime community (but at least the FT fans are good people, the haters, on the other hand...) You sound kinda butthurt. Not everyone has to like the same things you do, especially when it's garbage like Fairy Tail. |
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| Do you honestly think sending an email to a company will solve anything? You are honestly delusional to think that you were the reason that the company made an american release for that specific game, an english port was probably in the works long before you sent that email. But that is probably your life-long achievement so Im just gonna say 'congratulations kid'. Sure thing, Hiro Mashima has a twitter, like every other person. But that doesn't mean that he is gonna reply and take into account every tweet he is gonna get. That is not how the world works. During this little rant, you have said that it's wrong to go to social medias and complain about a certain company/action over a status and you would rather see them confront the problem itself, but isn't that what you are actually doing by creating this thread? You don't make sense at all, you just make yourself look like an idiot that has had enough of the internet for today. |
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| We talk about things good or bad for fun and to exercise our critical thinking skills. I don't think anyone expects it to make a change. Also companies can tell when people are angry online you would be surprised. |
Vini310 said: I ACTUALLY SEND AN FUCKING EMAIL TO THE COMPANY! THAT'S HOW THE FIRST INAZUMA ELEVEN GAME GOT AN AMERICAN RELEASE! YES, IT WAS BECAUSE OF ME! ใปใใพๅคงใใใใฎใใชใใๅใ  |
| The only thing that matters is how much money the thing makes, fuck quality, tomorrow's unethical business practices today! |
Vini310 said: Because you cant handle when people have a better taste than you?And you still wonder why I don't take reviewers seriously? |
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| Unless the author/official account doesn't reply to something that points out flaws. I usually used to comment on maruma_official's account and they normally would reply with a thank you or something but when I asked about what happened to Lady Flynn (since it seemed like they completely forgot about her and just made her disappear into thin air), I never got any reply. I've seen lots of Japanese people do the same on twitter. They'll tweet things they didn't like about but when the mangaka or official account tweets about it they simply praise it in the reply section. Also if the author were to take complains or suggestions from each person then the series would end up being quite messy. |
Maou_heikaNov 6, 2017 12:19 PM
 ใใใชใใฎใใใชใไธ็ไธญใๆตใซใใฆใใใพใใชใใ "If it was for your sake I wouldn't mind even if I had to turn the whole world into my enemy" |
| Welcome to the Internet, where people only know how to trash talk. However, however, that's where you're wrong. People (including me) actually send their ideas (most famous is Pokemon - where people wanted to see Ash win during his Kalos League final match, where he was up against Alain) to the authors and creators but their pride gets in the way and they blatantly refuse to accept any suggestions or ideas. |
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Vini310 said: I'm very sorry, but the Pokémon Company does not answer questions of this nature. It is the intent of the Pokémon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokémon fans, adding more excitement and mystery to the Pokémon universeA guy, instead of just chill down, asked to The Pokémon Company what is a Pokémon Master, and they REPLIED. |
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| Oh come on, Fairy Tail's manga already ended and anime is going to have it's last season. Can't you chill out ? There'll allways be haters, no matter how good the material can be. But they're just fanboys of other series and want to criticize without any real substance in their complaints. |
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| First of all, I don't think most of people who review anime want to actually make it better. They just want to analyze what they just saw, and not make it (possibily future seasons?) better. And honestly this is fine. Like first of all, what if you're reviewing a show that already ended? Is it relevant for you to make your critic to the people who made it even after it ended, even if it will never make a difference in that specific show? I mean it could make some difference in future shows but honestly it's different shows are already pretty different from each other even when they have the same authout/director/studio etc. The other problem is it's very difficult to know who to criticize. Maybe you didn't like something about an anime and sometimes it can be easy to tell whose falut is it. But other times it's difficult to know if is was the original work's fault or the director's, music director's, animator's, studio's fault or even someone else's fault you don't even think about. Now this is more valid in case of manga, in which case there is literally the author and sometimes the artist (if they're not the same person) to blame. But then again even then maybe the editor made the author make a change they didn't want, even that is possible. Something you have to realize however is that most of the times anime and manga aren't created to be the best ever. They are created to make money, and it DOES NOT mean to be better than other series. Clichés and fan service, for example, are things that most people don't like but it makes money in Japan (and I personally am OK with both). Finally, let's take your example about FT. I mean the author may receive critics and all but honestly do you think if people were to critic his work on twitter all of them would be nice and not toxic? I'm pretty sure most of the people would just say somethings like "that part of FT was garbage, you should be ashamed of yourself". Also, even when not being toxic, most people would just critic parts of the manga they personally didn't like whithout giving much of a reason, which is just a subjective thing that doesn't help. And really it wouldn't be nice to read a lot of people talking thrash about your work without proper reasoning. Oh and btw being difficult to criticize on the author's face has nothing to do with all of this. I mean this is internet. You're not really doing anything in anyone's face. People do stupid shit all the time because they have anonymity, and honestly if anything I'm happy that they don't use it to shit on someone's else twitter. All and all I think your point is still valid, it's just that you can't have people do that and it's fine if they don't because of their own reasons. And btw I didn't ever do a review on MAL or anywhere else. I'm just trying to make my point here. |
man_of_culture said: Vini310 said: I ACTUALLY SEND AN FUCKING EMAIL TO THE COMPANY! THAT'S HOW THE FIRST INAZUMA ELEVEN GAME GOT AN AMERICAN RELEASE! YES, IT WAS BECAUSE OF ME! ใปใใพๅคงใใใใฎใใชใใๅใ You actually made me curious, and I used Google translate to see what was written. |
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| Another day, another retarded MAL forum. |
Zanyster said: Do you honestly think sending an email to a company will solve anything? You are honestly delusional to think that you were the reason that the company made an american release for that specific game, an english port was probably in the works long before you sent that email. But that is probably your life-long achievement so Im just gonna say 'congratulations kid'. Sure thing, Hiro Mashima has a twitter, like every other person. But that doesn't mean that he is gonna reply and take into account every tweet he is gonna get. That is not how the world works. During this little rant, you have said that it's wrong to go to social medias and complain about a certain company/action over a status and you would rather see them confront the problem itself, but isn't that what you are actually doing by creating this thread? You don't make sense at all, you just make yourself look like an idiot that has had enough of the internet for today. I think I am the reason because of the circumstances: initially, they replied that they would not do that because of localization costs and also because they thought that it was not worth the effort, but then, one week later, that same game was avaliable on the eShop (Nintendo's virtual shop). I seriously belive that not only me, but a grand part of the Inazuma Eleven fandom contributed to that. And I created this thread to encourage people to do the same thing I do (talk directly to the creators of the source material WHEN POSSIBLE). romagia said: Vini310 said: I'm very sorry, but the Pokémon Company does not answer questions of this nature. It is the intent of the Pokémon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokémon fans, adding more excitement and mystery to the Pokémon universeA guy, instead of just chill down, asked to The Pokémon Company what is a Pokémon Master, and they REPLIED. This is still better than nothing. Mkim said: Vini310 said: have the CHANCE TO TALK DIRECTLY WITH THE AUTHOR OF AN ANIME/MANGA/LIGHT NOVEL, they COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT POSSIBILITY. You want these kind of people to go directly at an author and tell that author their mind? That is a fucking horrible idea Wow, I never realized that. |
Vini310Nov 6, 2017 12:30 PM
| You sound butthurt op. How are you different? i'll pretend this is not a butthurt humble brag thread. |
"When you made this thread, I cried and screamed" -Swagernator 2017 |
| OP, please stop the caps lock it hurts my eyes /s |
Vini310 said: Another quote I want tattooed on my ass, this is magical.THAT'S HOW THE FIRST INAZUMA ELEVEN GAME GOT AN AMERICAN RELEASE! YES, IT WAS BECAUSE OF ME! I think most people who give harsh reviews aren't doing it because they want to 'change the industry'. While I see your point, making that blanket statement really isn't any good. A lot of people (such as myself) hate on things because it's fun and healthy to get out negative emotions through critical avenues. Yeah, its frustrating to see people rag on things you love, but if everyone agreed on everything all the time, the world would be one boring place. By having different perspectives, we are able to understand one another better. As for dismissive, unhelpful comments that aren't actual criticism, its really easy to ignore them. |
| Damn there are still people who take a Vini's thread seriously. |
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nymi said: You sound butthurt op. How are you different? i'll pretend this is not a butthurt humble brag thread. I am different because at least I try to make something relevant. If I have an complaint to do, I will talk with the one responsible for this (if possible). Most people don't do that. |
| Did you wrote this wall of text just because people don't like the same stuff as you do? Because, if not, that's the impression you're giving. PS: Fairy Tail is trash. |
 One man is no more than another, if he do no more than what another does. |
| This is a stupid argument. The majority of anime producers don't spend their time going through their Twitter DMs and emails looking to see what weeaboo felt like sending them constructive criticism. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
Noesnecesario said: Did you wrote this wall of text just because people don't like the same stuff as you do? Because, if not, that's the impression you're giving. PS: Fairy Tail is trash. I'm just tired of seeing some critics claiming that their reviews are helping the industry to grow, when actually they aren't. Fairy Tail is the best example I know: it's overhated AND it's creator has a Twitter account, and i do know that some people have legit criticism to tell (i.e. they are serious), and still nobody ever tries to show Hiro that he can do better. It could be also a GREAT opportunity to see how the industry works. |
Congratulations, critics! You had the chance of change a work you hate to that masterpiece you always wanted to see, you had the chance of tell an author to improve his work! You had the chance of make THAT CHANGE IN THE INDUSTRY YOU ALWAYS CLAIM TO MAKE, but don't did that. YOU MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY OF TRANFORM YOUR TRASH-TALK IN ACTUAL CRITICISM! I think the only one who is probably able to, and will tell 'improve your work' towards the author is his/her editor. Ohhh well aside from that, the malice I sense here is strong... And you still wonder why I don't take reviewers seriously? From what I see, you seriously take reviewers to the point of even criticizing what they do, how they do it, and possibly what they want to achieve. I think all you have to say is something like "b--baka! It's not like... It's not like I'm shitty on you to capture your attention or anything like.. that baka! This is my post for you!" Mhhh.... Works well with you if you ask me. |
| Well, apparently no. That wouldn't have worked. According to this piece of information, based on this interview and provided by this anime youtuber's video (please disregard the fact that the informer in question is a battle anime youtuber, focus on the information), criticism coming from we westerns are but meaningless in the face of the death-hating, monotony-loving japanese fans. |
HyperLNov 6, 2017 12:55 PM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Vini310 said: HE SPEAKS ENGLISH, AND IS OPEN TO CRITICISM, AND STILL NO ONE, AND I REPEAT, NO ONE IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO TALK TO HIM! You know why? Because trash talk on people's backs is easy, while criticise directly on people's face isn't. More like not enough people care so much about it that they want to talk to the author. This is the internet, I'm sure if someone wanted to criticise Hiro on twitter they wouldn't hesitate. |
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LIQfilms said: Another day, another retarded MAL forum. "I wake up in the morning and think "Oh no, another one of these; days."" -Woolie |
| first of all... >MAL critics nice meme. So movie critics are supposed to talk to the director directly, too? All of them? And the fans also? The directors CAN SPEAK ENGLISH AND ARE OPEN TO CRITICISM YOU KNOW!!! lmfao dude Also I highly doubt that the US IE release was because of you, one person asking for a product isn't enough for a company to actually take that as a risk-reward worth taking, you're fucking delusional. |
Vini310 said: I think I am the reason because of the circumstances: initially, they replied that they would not do that because of localization costs and also because they thought that it was not worth the effort, but then, one week later, that same game was avaliable on the eShop (Nintendo's virtual shop). I seriously belive that not only me, but a grand part of the Inazuma Eleven fandom contributed to that. And I created this thread to encourage people to do the same thing I do (talk directly to the creators of the source material WHEN POSSIBLE). You do realise that an english port/dub is more time demanding than the said '1 week' as per you had mentioned. This english port was probably in developement for a long period of time, and don't get me wrong, the community is probably a big factor that it became available, but it was not by any means 'you alone', like you had phrased it in the post. And I am sorry but this is not an encouragement thread, this is a rant-thread, however you look at it. I don't blame you for ranting on these threads, I found it rather amusing. However, please do not say that this is an encouragement-thread, when it is obvious to everyone reading the initial thread that it isn't. |
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| I'm not sure if this is a troll or not but I'll respond like it's serious... For starters, every work of every medium is going to be criticized by at least a small group of those who have viewed them. The larger the base population of people who have watched/read/viewed said work the more negative opinions there are going to be. That's just how the world works. I think the reason FT (and it's community) is targeted and bashed as much as it is is because of threads like these. There are plenty of people who enjoy nothing more than seeing someone throw a fit over an opinion and I think you're just feeding their hate. The best thing for you and your community to do is turn the other cheek. that would defuse situations a lot faster than creating threads like this one. I also think that, in the end, the people you're trying to target are elitists and I don't think you're much better. Both groups believe their opinions to be fact (which they're not) and feel that everyone must follow the same mindset as they do when viewing a work. That's just not going to happen and I don't think either side is right in this matter. The best part about watching an anime is formulating your own opinion on it and comparing it to others - not having someone barbarically shove their own down your throat. In the end, I don't think reviews are meant to be taken heavily as fact. They're just opinions made by someone who interpreted a work a certain way. There is no right or wrong answer to any one piece of work and there is no true "good" or "bad" anime. It's all up to you personally whether that anime is good or not and no one has the right to take that away from someone. Not you. Not me. Not the elitists. Overall I hope you come to terms with those who review anime as they bring out some of the best in the community. I feel that threads like this, however, degrade it. |
romagia said: Vini310 said: I'm very sorry, but the Pokémon Company does not answer questions of this nature. It is the intent of the Pokémon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokémon fans, adding more excitement and mystery to the Pokémon universeA guy, instead of just chill down, asked to The Pokémon Company what is a Pokémon Master, and they REPLIED. just chill down lol Johnnyd3rp said: Damn there are still people who take a Vini's thread seriously. I suppose some are just bored to the point of answering shitposts seriously... |
| Oshii is probably the only director that loves dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself. That's right, its slime! It will dissolve your clothing slowly before my eyes! |
| Sorry i can't comprehend pleb dialect |
| I think that hiro mashima saw all the criticism, fair or not, way before he ended fairy tail so he had ample time to change the way he made his series if he wanted to. But he most likely didn't and it's completely fine. Also please mind the fact that there's a difference between random unprofessional reviewers/pseudo-critics that hate on a show and actual professional critics who, regardless of how much they hated a show, will try their best to stay fair. |
| Awwww, someone's butthurt. Not everybody will like your precious Fairy Tail, get over it. And also, people are entitled to their own opinions. |
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| Because it’s acceptable to point out the negatives of a tv show as idle gossip, but it’s immoral to be highly critical of someone works directly to their face. You make them feel insulted, unwanted, and add stress to their work environment. If you do this in public, you may even jeopardize their career. This has been Social Skills 101 with Username, thanks for listening. |
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| "y'all justa bunch o' haters. bitch, i'm god i have the power" |
| One thing I can confirm is that asking does more than it gets credit for. |
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Vini310 said: I've never once wondered this. I don't even know who you are!And you still wonder why I don't take reviewers seriously? Who actually takes reviews seriously, other than casuals? It's like that conversation I had with D-something yesterday. When you're here long enough, you know if something hits your range of appeal pretty early on. There isn't a need for reviews or 'critics' lmfaooo |
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