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Oct 28, 9:21 PM
#1
Just talking about the overall physical design of some female characters. Would it be nice having female characters with normal body types, or at least average sized boobs and dressed appropriately? Especially in big mainstream series appealing to a male demographic. Are huge boobs, lots of curves and skin, and skimpy clothes always necessary? For example they may be poorly developed as characters, but physically the women in a shows like Jujutsu Kaisen were designed modestly. Just started reading Kagurabachi and I really liked how Hiyuki Kagari was designed A fully clothed woman feels more real and appealing rather than being blatently sexualized just because sex sells. And not to knock Oda's choice in design, but Nami and some of the other ladies looked better in early One Piece compared to how they look nowadays. Of course it's all subjective and different things appeal to different people. |
Oct 28, 9:34 PM
#2
I think it would be pretty nice to see. One minor detail that I liked in Gundam: The Witch From Mercury was how normal the characters in Earth House were. A variety of body-types and they weren't overtly sexualized either. |
Oct 28, 9:38 PM
#3
Meh,sometimes I guess we wanna see all the eyecandy we can from a show; the fan service per se. But at this point I prefer the character to be well fleshed out than the appearances. Ironically some of the best female characters that come to my mind arent even on the overkill design; Haruhi Suzumiya, C.C.,Nagisa Furukawa,Chizuru Hishiro,Misato Katsuragi,Frieren,Marcille. I guess in my mind they kind have been portrayed as somewhat human. Not some over the top body designs and personalities. |
Oct 28, 9:47 PM
#4
You know that balancing character design in anime is a delicate art? . May be more normal female characters design provide realistic representation and relatability, but anime have more creative freedom over other media and that allows for explicit , imaginative designs which also provide fanservice and diversity to the storytelling. it’s about finding a balance between realistic representation and the imaginative sexy possibilities that make waifu so special. |
Oct 28, 9:50 PM
#5
@fallout45 These posts are all hypocrtical. KGBATCHI has female characters like that because the target audience is women hence all the design focus is on the men. In female targeted series especially modern shounen, the character merch for female characters don't ever sell so there is no need to make her interesting or target men. Your post is just braindead becaause you don't understand how demographics work at all but think you can comment on it. For example Jujutsu Kaisen is literally for the female gaze hence Gojo and the fujo pairings. Of course if you're female you wouldn't like male targeted things but you act like you're forced to watch those when nu shounen literally pander to women from haikyuu to jjk to kbatchi like what? And no one makes posts trying to change female targeted media but you guys literally cry about things for men DAILY. And anime has never had """""""""realism""""""" in mind for 80 years. @deltahalo241 they are literally minor characters that no one gave a shit about, chu chu for example wasn't designed like that and she had a very large focus on the merch side. That faux realism means nothing if the entire cast are whales but the intended product (yuri for male audiences) is given by the bucketload and otakufied as fuck @faleagum most of these were literally designed to appeal to otaku tastes especially elves which are fictional stand-ins for japanese fetishisation of white women |
DienenOct 28, 10:33 PM
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Oct 28, 10:10 PM
#6
Would having more normal body types for female characters be nice? TOTALLY !!! it brings something new and fresh on the table..im bored of seeing same kind of body type..it makes the media more diverse and hence a lot more fun !!! women come in many shapes and sizes and it would be so amazing to explore them all.. oremonogatari male lead body type is something new in anime and i loved that |
Oct 28, 10:11 PM
#7
Reply to Dienen
@fallout45
These posts are all hypocrtical. KGBATCHI has female characters like that because the target audience is women hence all the design focus is on the men. In female targeted series especially modern shounen, the character merch for female characters don't ever sell so there is no need to make her interesting or target men.
Your post is just braindead becaause you don't understand how demographics work at all but think you can comment on it. For example Jujutsu Kaisen is literally for the female gaze hence Gojo and the fujo pairings.
Of course if you're female you wouldn't like male targeted things but you act like you're forced to watch those when nu shounen literally pander to women from haikyuu to jjk to kbatchi like what?
And no one makes posts trying to change female targeted media but you guys literally cry about things for men DAILY.
And anime has never had """""""""realism""""""" in mind for 80 years.
@deltahalo241 they are literally minor characters that no one gave a shit about,
chu chu for example wasn't designed like that and she had a very large focus on the merch side. That faux realism means nothing if the entire cast are whales but the intended product (yuri for male audiences) is given by the bucketload and otakufied as fuck
@faleagum
most of these were literally designed to appeal to otaku tastes especially elves which are fictional stand-ins for japanese fetishisation of white women
These posts are all hypocrtical. KGBATCHI has female characters like that because the target audience is women hence all the design focus is on the men. In female targeted series especially modern shounen, the character merch for female characters don't ever sell so there is no need to make her interesting or target men.
Your post is just braindead becaause you don't understand how demographics work at all but think you can comment on it. For example Jujutsu Kaisen is literally for the female gaze hence Gojo and the fujo pairings.
Of course if you're female you wouldn't like male targeted things but you act like you're forced to watch those when nu shounen literally pander to women from haikyuu to jjk to kbatchi like what?
And no one makes posts trying to change female targeted media but you guys literally cry about things for men DAILY.
And anime has never had """""""""realism""""""" in mind for 80 years.
@deltahalo241 they are literally minor characters that no one gave a shit about,
chu chu for example wasn't designed like that and she had a very large focus on the merch side. That faux realism means nothing if the entire cast are whales but the intended product (yuri for male audiences) is given by the bucketload and otakufied as fuck
@faleagum
most of these were literally designed to appeal to otaku tastes especially elves which are fictional stand-ins for japanese fetishisation of white women
@Dienen Nah. I'm going to need someone else to weigh in here, what the fuck is this stupidity I just read? |
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Oct 28, 10:16 PM
#8
sure i do not mind more of that as long as the unrealistic sexy bodies will not be completely gone so im fine with few sexualize shows as long as they do not be completely obsolete i get it new generation of anime fans are more prudes |
Oct 28, 10:19 PM
#9
MasterTasukeOct 30, 8:33 AM
Oct 28, 10:26 PM
#10
It would be nice, and it would be even more nice if they explored different body types for male characters too. Variations and diversity in character design is an underrated element for both creativity and marketing appeal in anime... I think that's a large reason why I liked dead dead demons dededede destruction. But yes, also I'm not into the hypersexualization of female characters specifically. |
Oct 28, 10:29 PM
#11
no, exaggerated bodies only, seeing thin husbandos would be boring |
Oct 28, 10:33 PM
#12
Obviously, it depends on what the series is. I've never had an issue with fanservice in One Piece, but in Fairy Tail (which is basically ecchi) I kind of found it to be a detriment to any of the more serious storylines. Still, more often than not, for people attracted to women (which I assume you aren't) these sexualized designs are generally a net positive and don't reflect negatively on their respective series, because there's seldom shows that feel serious/realistic enough for this to really be a factor. |
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Oct 28, 11:20 PM
#14
I don't watch anime expecting fan service, waifu, nor motherhood. Instead of what is normal, I'd humbly address what is plausible. Sumireko from «Kaii to Otome to Kamikakushi.» She is a 28-year-old woman working at a bookstore who has not given up on the literary world she dropped out of. Her sloppy lifestyle is evident in her body shape. Her body, made of alcohol, lack of exercise, laziness, and compromise, is the physical evidence of the mental setback that has always haunted her. When she accidentally encounters an apparition, in exchange for the pain of transformation, she gets a way to rejuvenate her body to that of a budding girl writer, and she expects a chance to make her debut again. Her young body is depicted as slender, but it is not girlishly attractive, nor is it neutral. Rather, it is a figure that has been stripped of its fried batter. This story needs a character model that is not aesthetically pleasing but raw and sweaty, nevertheless a beautiful lifeform. This is an example of big tits that are neither filled with air nor milk but just useless fat, which is why they are uniquely present. |
Oct 28, 11:43 PM
#15
Reply to deltahalo241
I think it would be pretty nice to see. One minor detail that I liked in Gundam: The Witch From Mercury was how normal the characters in Earth House were. A variety of body-types and they weren't overtly sexualized either.
@deltahalo241 yes, it's one of those things you don't notice while watching but when you look at the design you can appreciate it, also all the body types are presented as pretty there! Lilique is chubby and not only is one of the prettier designs in the show for a pretty minor character but also is quite popular in school according to the story, gundam and WFM in particular are a gold standard in diversity in my opinion, just look at Suletta, an autistic, half middle eastern lesbian who conforms to almost zero stereotypes with two physically disabled family members who are treated respectfully with a very interesting way of presenting aid in a sci fi story? Back on topic, diversity in body types adds charm and memorability to character design, the more different characters look the more identity they have in a design |
Oct 28, 11:43 PM
#16
Reply to aReviewer
I don't watch anime expecting fan service, waifu, nor motherhood.
Instead of what is normal, I'd humbly address what is plausible.
Sumireko from «Kaii to Otome to Kamikakushi.»
She is a 28-year-old woman working at a bookstore who has not given up on the literary world she dropped out of. Her sloppy lifestyle is evident in her body shape. Her body, made of alcohol, lack of exercise, laziness, and compromise, is the physical evidence of the mental setback that has always haunted her.
When she accidentally encounters an apparition, in exchange for the pain of transformation, she gets a way to rejuvenate her body to that of a budding girl writer, and she expects a chance to make her debut again. Her young body is depicted as slender, but it is not girlishly attractive, nor is it neutral. Rather, it is a figure that has been stripped of its fried batter.
This story needs a character model that is not aesthetically pleasing but raw and sweaty, nevertheless a beautiful lifeform. This is an example of big tits that are neither filled with air nor milk but just useless fat, which is why they are uniquely present.
Instead of what is normal, I'd humbly address what is plausible.
Sumireko from «Kaii to Otome to Kamikakushi.»
She is a 28-year-old woman working at a bookstore who has not given up on the literary world she dropped out of. Her sloppy lifestyle is evident in her body shape. Her body, made of alcohol, lack of exercise, laziness, and compromise, is the physical evidence of the mental setback that has always haunted her.
When she accidentally encounters an apparition, in exchange for the pain of transformation, she gets a way to rejuvenate her body to that of a budding girl writer, and she expects a chance to make her debut again. Her young body is depicted as slender, but it is not girlishly attractive, nor is it neutral. Rather, it is a figure that has been stripped of its fried batter.
This story needs a character model that is not aesthetically pleasing but raw and sweaty, nevertheless a beautiful lifeform. This is an example of big tits that are neither filled with air nor milk but just useless fat, which is why they are uniquely present.
@aReviewer This is truly some next level yapping. |
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Oct 28, 11:46 PM
#17
Reply to NoelleIsSleepy
It would be nice, and it would be even more nice if they explored different body types for male characters too. Variations and diversity in character design is an underrated element for both creativity and marketing appeal in anime... I think that's a large reason why I liked dead dead demons dededede destruction.
But yes, also I'm not into the hypersexualization of female characters specifically.
But yes, also I'm not into the hypersexualization of female characters specifically.
@NoelleIsSleepy yes! Dead dead demon's design is so good and charming |
Oct 29, 12:16 AM
#18
It depends on the type of Genre or Theme, I guess, and how the creator wanted to be. If you watch the soothing type of anime like Iyashikei; Pure Gourmet; or Shoujo or if the creator wants to focus on the Story (ex: Monster or AOT). They wouldn't add many sexualized female (or even male ex: Jujutsu Kaisen) characters. So if you hoping mainstream anime doesn't sexualize them then you would be disappointed cuz they're meant to cash-grab the demographic. So choose ur genre wisely, cuz only those who bring more money would increase their chance to get animated. |
Oct 29, 12:17 AM
#19
Depends on what your definition of a "normal" body type is. There are certainly characters out there like Haruka Gracia (Basquash!) who have exaggerated hourglass proportions and enormous tits, but Basquash played into the comedic elements of how buxom she was deliberately because even it was cognisant of that. Hyperbolised, bimbo-esque body types aren't anywhere near as common in anime as they're made out to be otherwise. Real women may dress somewhat modestly during daylight hours when they're typically commuting, but if you've ever seen the nightlife of most cities when everyone is pub crawling or partying, then you'll see plenty of city women dressing in skimpy, provocative clothing that puts their thighs and cleavage on display. Keep in mind even characters in most ecchi anime, where you'd expect the most fanservice, rarely expose their body deliberately outside of pool and beach episodes where you're expected to be wearing "revealing" clothing for the occasion anyway. |
Oct 29, 12:56 AM
#20
Reply to LostSpectre
@Dienen Nah. I'm going to need someone else to weigh in here, what the fuck is this stupidity I just read?
@LostSpectre ofc the eternal pickme can't comprehend that modern shounen are made with the female gaze in mind and the 2 xhe listed are the biggest examples of focusing on making attractive characters for female readership. Hence their argument is this: Unrealistic anime characters for men: GRAAAAAAH Unrealistic anime characters for womxn: Ö Regardless this desire for "realism" is braindead when you consider anime has never used that and the few that do are the EXCEPTION and not the rule. You can watch western animation if you just want rectangle characters and disgusting/unattractivr characters (which you don't which is you you specifically mention JJK & KGB) |
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Oct 29, 12:59 AM
#21
As long as design emerges from a voluntary decision to explore new creative horizons, rather than as a moral obligation to anyone, then I don’t mind seeing different body types. But as a man who is openly attracted to attractive women, I will naturally favor bodies that I find attractive. Is it really wrong to have preferences? On another note, Japan has much lower obesity rates than the United States. I don’t believe that their depiction of what is considered 'normal' should be expected to align with the standards of other countries. A girl like this—who actually appears frequently in anime—represents a pretty typical body type. |
Oct 29, 4:02 AM
#23
I don't really watch anime where that's not the case to begin with... |
Oct 29, 4:09 AM
#24
Any sentiment involving the phrase "dressed appropriately" immediately loses me. That's an intrinsically conformist notion. |
Oct 29, 4:14 AM
#25
The generic designs are indeed rather tired, but they absolutely should still be hot though. |
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Oct 29, 4:16 AM
#26
I think most shows dont have ridiculous body types. Ecchi shows are for ecchi audience I am fine with everything as long as we dont get fat anime characters |
Oct 29, 4:42 AM
#27
Yes, there should be more thicc BBWs to satisfy my carnal desire for flesh, like https://myanimelist.net/character/173663/Kuroeda |
ZarutakuNov 3, 2:45 AM
Oct 29, 5:49 AM
#28
To all the silent mayority MAL readers, would you please just say something! Before we, the vocal minority, hijack the narrative under the banner of SEX SELLS & create this false illusion we, the vocal minority, represent the public opinion of everybody. I want to deep dive into the New Age of thinking. Maybe it might update my outdated software in my brain voluntarily, before Elon jams a chip into my monkey brain & forces the update upon me. |
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Oct 29, 9:15 AM
#29
Reply to logopolis
Any sentiment involving the phrase "dressed appropriately" immediately loses me. That's an intrinsically conformist notion.
@logopolis Literally the first new generation to ask for sharia law and censorship instead of trend AGAINST that. How did humans go from the satanic panic and Joe Lieberman to advocating for the rights for fictional animated characters and them covering up lol. Especially in a world where "normal humans" watched the SHIT out of Game of Thrones, Euphoria etc and played the SHIT out of Baldurs Gate 3, Last of Us, GTA etc. |
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Oct 29, 9:30 AM
#30
I dont mind flat chested girls... just dont make them a loli or short. I'd prefer if they're tall but it's fine if they're of average height. And don't ever use one piece waist line. |
Oct 29, 9:37 AM
#31
Reply to deltahalo241
I think it would be pretty nice to see. One minor detail that I liked in Gundam: The Witch From Mercury was how normal the characters in Earth House were. A variety of body-types and they weren't overtly sexualized either.
@deltahalo241 I thought the same. Also I realized how weirdly thin the characters look in AOT 1-3, even the adults. Plus they are soldiers, they should look like that. Season 4 did a much better job. |
Oct 29, 9:57 AM
#32
I want both, depending on my mood. I want to see Nico Robin pre and post timeskip sometimes. Go ahead and be over the top. But also I want to watch K-on! over and over, where everyone is really toned down. There's a time and a place for both, because I don't think a character design is bad becausee it's sexy, especially if it makes sense narratively. I would watch another season of Non Non Biyori just like I would watch another season Highschool DxD. |
Oct 29, 10:06 AM
#33
Reply to Jakkun
I dont mind flat chested girls... just dont make them a loli or short. I'd prefer if they're tall but it's fine if they're of average height. And don't ever use one piece waist line.
@Jakkun Flat chested girls in their late twenties with massive insecurity! |
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Oct 29, 10:13 AM
#34
I like normal and abnormal... Long live futanari lolis. |
Oct 29, 11:41 AM
#35
i watch anime for sexy women and unrealistic body types. So no, having more normal body types for female characters wouldn't be nice, it would result in something like cartoons which i despise. |
Oct 29, 11:51 AM
#36
fuck off back to reddit where you belong, you biden voting piece of human garbage |
Oct 29, 12:19 PM
#37
Ummm...You saying that implies that girls with big boobs aren't normal. Are you boob shaming? No, but seriously, there are plenty of girls with "normal" bodies. You're more likely to see a girl without ginormous chesticles than you are any fat characters. As for the outfits...Are they necessary? No more so than topless male characters or superheros in tight spandex. But it's the creators character. If they want to show some skin, they have every right to. |
FanofActionOct 29, 12:26 PM
Oct 29, 12:24 PM
#38
Reply to rodmanii
fuck off back to reddit where you belong, you biden voting piece of human garbage
@rodmanii For fucks sake...Why does someone always have to make shit political.? If things were that black and white, I would expect the "conservatives" to be the ones up in arms about sinful nudity. |
Oct 29, 2:03 PM
#39
Reply to LittleOwlbear
@deltahalo241
I thought the same.
Also I realized how weirdly thin the characters look in AOT 1-3, even the adults. Plus they are soldiers, they should look like that. Season 4 did a much better job.
I thought the same.
Also I realized how weirdly thin the characters look in AOT 1-3, even the adults. Plus they are soldiers, they should look like that. Season 4 did a much better job.
@LittleOwlbear The character designs before MAPPA took over was good and they ruined that. Literally nobody looks attractive anymore. |
Oct 29, 2:13 PM
#40
A creator should not have to censor for anyone nor any anime studio. Mostly all shoujo already follow those standards for limiting the ecchi. If the author wants TnA nobody should stop him. It is silly to limit fiction in such a manor. Nobody is asking for shoujo to have more accurate average short men or less bishounens. That aside, most shounen/seinen anime has a huge variety of waifus in them with breasts and bodies of all sizes. I think it would suck to limit that variety. Oda has already spoken on why he continues making ecchi in the series. The primary demographic remains boys, and that explanation is perfectly ok. Not all demographics have to like the same things. |
Oct 29, 3:07 PM
#41
No, such characters are already in overwhelming surplus so why ask for more? I think what we need more of are female characters with enormous breasts (M-cup at least), very thick thighs, huge butt, and that are prepubescent (no older than 12), the first company that realizes this is gonna make bank. Guilmon1 said: just look at Suletta, an autistic, half middle eastern lesbian who conforms to almost zero stereotypes with two physically disabled family members who are treated respectfully with a very interesting way of presenting aid in a sci fi story? @Guilmon1 I don't get why people keep trying to insist that Suletta is gay when that's just not in the show at all, the very first episode even goes as far as making it clear she's an ardent homophobe. Jakkun said: I dont mind flat chested girls... just dont make them a loli or short. I'd prefer if they're tall but it's fine if they're of average height. @Jakkun I don't think there's anything less appealing to me than tall flat-chested girls. |
Oct 29, 3:10 PM
#42
Reply to LeonhartAugust
@LittleOwlbear The character designs before MAPPA took over was good and they ruined that. Literally nobody looks attractive anymore.
@LeonhartAugust They all look attractive, they just look like normal people. (Did before, but now even more so) |
Oct 29, 3:17 PM
#43
I'll just say yes and I'll agree with practically everything from the first post and keep going, bye. |
Oct 29, 3:35 PM
#44
Yes. We've all heard and seen 'flat is justice' but what about 'thick thighs save lives' and 'chubby girl supremacy'? Gib more chunky ladies rahhhh EDIT: Oh wait you said normal. Yeah, that's okay too I guess. |
MedK001Oct 29, 3:42 PM
Oct 29, 3:45 PM
#45
I don't mind seeing modestly dressed female characters with average body types and average sized boobs in anime, but it's also something that I usually wouldn't feel all that enthusiastic and strongly about. |
Oct 29, 5:16 PM
#46
i argue for accelerationism in fan service, in other words, keep making more voluptuous anime girls until the system collapses on itself and we return to lolis and the age argument on mal forums |
Oct 29, 6:18 PM
#47
Reply to FanofAction
@rodmanii For fucks sake...Why does someone always have to make shit political.? If things were that black and white, I would expect the "conservatives" to be the ones up in arms about sinful nudity.
@FanofAction they arent, the only ones censoring any form of media in order to "proTEcT VagiNas" are the subhumans voting democrat |
Oct 29, 6:36 PM
#48
Reply to rodmanii
@FanofAction they arent, the only ones censoring any form of media in order to "proTEcT VagiNas" are the subhumans voting democrat
@rodmanii There is an entire generation now that has almost no interest in sex, so do not blame politics. And Conservatives used to be the worst when it came to censorship, though I must admit the Woke crowd has reached heights of hypocrisy undreamt of by me. |
Oct 29, 7:10 PM
#49
Reply to Gnza
As long as design emerges from a voluntary decision to explore new creative horizons, rather than as a moral obligation to anyone, then I don’t mind seeing different body types. But as a man who is openly attracted to attractive women, I will naturally favor bodies that I find attractive. Is it really wrong to have preferences?
On another note, Japan has much lower obesity rates than the United States. I don’t believe that their depiction of what is considered 'normal' should be expected to align with the standards of other countries.
A girl like this—who actually appears frequently in anime—represents a pretty typical body type.
On another note, Japan has much lower obesity rates than the United States. I don’t believe that their depiction of what is considered 'normal' should be expected to align with the standards of other countries.
A girl like this—who actually appears frequently in anime—represents a pretty typical body type.
@Gnza Yeah I'm not knocking busty women. They are hot. But physically speaking, I'm drawn to cute girls similar to Kukuru here. Yeah and it's all subjective too. We all have preferences. |
Oct 29, 7:12 PM
#50
Reply to logopolis
Any sentiment involving the phrase "dressed appropriately" immediately loses me. That's an intrinsically conformist notion.
@logopolis haha. Yeah you're probably right. I just thought of something along the lines of a girl running through a battlefield wearing nothing but a bikini. And just thought of a girl in military gear being a badass is cool. |
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