Monogatari Series: Final Season
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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ah thought so. We got another new style for the OP theme song for this episode. Glad to see Tsukihi again in this arc. Also, it looks like Oikura debuts. I'm glad they chose Marina Inoue for her role because it fits her voice quite well. As far as the episode goes, I find it amusing that there's a lot of negative emotion she expresses towards Araragi. There's some connection with the past that relates to that source of hate based on her reactions. Definitely glad to see Senjougahara arrive as well. What an episode, 5/5. Very entertaining. Those batshit insane moments are awesome  |
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| The moment Oikura freaks out and showing her hatred towards Araragi, I knew Senjougahara is going to come and lol-ed at Hanekawa's effort of stopping Senjougahara lol |
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| I hate Ougi. |
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| Watching Monogatari weekly is weird. I mean, I did a marathon of all the seasons prior o_O ... |
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| Ougi knows Araragi very well. |
| I don't like Ougi. Need for Hitagi. Oh well, it'll be great to see Tsukihi later. |
DeusExMavroOct 10, 2015 9:55 AM
| It's time you look inward and begin asking yourself the big question, "Who are you, and what do you want?" - Uncle Iroh |
| I thought it was weird that they had Ougi answer the 3 doors/3 envelopes thing wrong. Last episode, after Araragi finished explaining, they had Ougi immediately solve the case. Then this episode they had her answer that wrong, and I thought it seemed a little inconsistent, because I thought they were trying to portray her as a really smart character. |
therandomestguy said: Ouji isn't portrayed as smart but rather able to understand things. If you look at the first episode she was questioning everything before finding the answer. And even if u think she is smart, smart people don't always get 100% of the questions correct. Besides you watched Part 1 of a 2 part arc. You can't really solve an answer with only half the equation given to you. I thought it was weird that they had Ougi answer the 3 doors/3 envelopes thing wrong. Last episode, after Araragi finished explaining, they had Ougi immediately solve the case. Then this episode they had her answer that wrong, and I thought it seemed a little inconsistent, because I thought they were trying to portray her as a really smart character. Inconsistent is the wrong word. In fact its very consistent. With Ouji's formula you had 42 minutes to solve the question but this only gave us 24 minutes. You can judge her characteristic more in depth once the arc is done rather than only half way through. |
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| I thought that they had done horrible things with art last week because the duration of episode. But no, this series just looks awful. The times when Shaft's shows looked awesome are probably ended. It looks like shit. Really, worst looking Shaft's show ever. Why? It is super popular anime, so? Of course plot is still good, but this not a book, visuals are important too. Especially if something looks that bad like this show. (if someone want quote this post, please first look at second one few posts below) |
rsc-plOct 10, 2015 11:23 AM
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| Senjougahara is op |
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moodie said: therandomestguy said: Ouji isn't portrayed as smart but rather able to understand things. If you look at the first episode she was questioning everything before finding the answer. And even if u think she is smart, smart people don't always get 100% of the questions correct. Besides you watched Part 1 of a 2 part arc. You can't really solve an answer with only half the equation given to you. I thought it was weird that they had Ougi answer the 3 doors/3 envelopes thing wrong. Last episode, after Araragi finished explaining, they had Ougi immediately solve the case. Then this episode they had her answer that wrong, and I thought it seemed a little inconsistent, because I thought they were trying to portray her as a really smart character. Inconsistent is the wrong word. In fact its very consistent. With Ouji's formula you had 42 minutes to solve the question but this only gave us 24 minutes. You can judge her characteristic more in depth once the arc is done rather than only half way through. If you are smart, you are able to understand things. If you are able to understand things, you are smart. You can split hairs, but basically they're the same thing. When I said inconsistent I was referring to the two situations I mentioned, which were inconsistent, so it wasn't the wrong word. |
| LMAO when Senjougahara said she will pass out too. Another great mind fuck episode. Finally get to see Sodachi. When she says she hates Araragi she really hates him. Also loved what she said: "I hate water that thinks it boiled on its own." Once again the world play in this is amazing. Ougi is deferentially more than meets the eye. See can lie her ass off. I think Araragi is starting to see that. Every time he gets around her he just starts revealing to munch info. Maybe its the way she word and question things. Can't wait to find out what happened 5 years ago. |
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therandomestguy said: Being smart and understanding things are two different things. People who are smart are those having or showing a quick-witted intelligence. What Ouji showed is that. Besides being smart doesn't mean you automatically know the answers to questions. Besides what Ouji did by choosing the wrong envelope didn't display lack of intelligence what so ever. I think you don't understand Oujis character at all. moodie said: Ouji isn't portrayed as smart but rather able to understand things. If you look at the first episode she was questioning everything before finding the answer. And even if u think she is smart, smart people don't always get 100% of the questions correct. Besides you watched Part 1 of a 2 part arc. You can't really solve an answer with only half the equation given to you. Inconsistent is the wrong word. In fact its very consistent. With Ouji's formula you had 42 minutes to solve the question but this only gave us 24 minutes. You can judge her characteristic more in depth once the arc is done rather than only half way through. If you are smart, you are able to understand things. If you are able to understand things, you are smart. You can split hairs, but basically they're the same thing. When I said inconsistent I was referring to the two situations I mentioned, which were inconsistent, so it wasn't the wrong word. rsc-pl said: I find it odd you think such seeing as how the backgrounds from what we have seen in these 2 episodes exceed most of the dead backgrounds that were displayed in Second Season. You should check it out again because you are probably being clouded by nostalgia. I thought that they had done horrible things with art last week because the duration of episode. But no, this series just looks awful. The times when Shaft's shows looked awesome are probably ended. It looks like shit. Really, worst looking Shaft's show ever. Why? It is super popular anime, so? Of course plot is still good, but this not a book, visuals are important too. Especially if something looks that bad like this show. That said the gatari series is known for uniqueness in terms of its backgrounds not sharp and excellent looking BGs. This level of animation and art has been pretty consistent throughout the since post bakemonogatari. Only increases in animation were brought upon the ovas due to the fact that there isn't any need for weekly deadlines. Besides your mostly saying you want everything that isn't a monogatari series. Because what you said are rarely an occurrence to the series. Im really curious to see if this is your first viewing of the gatari series that isn't a BD release or not. Because if you ever seen the things that happened in Bakemonogatari while it was airing you would probably drop it. The levels of fuck ups were astronomical. |
moodieOct 10, 2015 10:47 AM
rsc-pl said: I thought that they had done horrible things with art last week because the duration of episode. But no, this series just looks awful. The times when Shaft's shows looked awesome are probably ended. It looks like shit. Really, worst looking Shaft's show ever. Why? It is super popular anime, so? Of course plot is still good, but this not a book, visuals are important too. Especially if something looks that bad like this show. ?? Doesn't it always looked the same? I mean maybe cause its been awhile, but I thought it always kept the same art style it always had since Bake. Its what makes it unique. |
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| Love the Senjougajara part with Hanekawa. I love Marina Inoue's Oikura's voice, it fits her so well with all that spouting of hatred and despise. I love the music in the opening. All that Ougi hate, I don't really hate Ougi after this episode. I think the art and animation of Owarimonogatari is the same as always. The only thing that looked weird for me for the animation was the punching of Oikura with how she fell. |
King_of_AMVz said: rsc-pl said: I thought that they had done horrible things with art last week because the duration of episode. But no, this series just looks awful. The times when Shaft's shows looked awesome are probably ended. It looks like shit. Really, worst looking Shaft's show ever. Why? It is super popular anime, so? Of course plot is still good, but this not a book, visuals are important too. Especially if something looks that bad like this show. ?? Doesn't it always looked the same? I mean maybe cause its been awhile, but I thought it always kept the same art style it always had since Bake. Its what makes it unique. I'm not talking about art style, but how it's done (I watched everything from Monogatari series, and this is one of my favorites anime). Take a look on Second Season (or even the very first episode from 1st season) and then look how Owari looks. I know that most of people watched Monogatari a long time ago (and don't remember it too good, especially of someone not paying attention to art and animation quality) , but I rewatched it this year, and I really can say that Owarimonogatari looks much worse. Too many 3DCG - it looks like raw render without textures from blender. In pervious seasons art was simple, clear, esthetic and just great, now most of scenery/rooms/building desing looks totally awkward. Yes, we still got awesome face zooming, characrers looks good, I'm talking about the rest. moodie said: Im really curious to see if this is your first viewing of the gatari series that isn't a BD release or not. Because if you ever seen the things that happened in Bakemonogatari while it was airing you would probably drop it. The levels of fuck ups were astronomical. I'm watching non BD releases (just seasonal) since second season and I really don't remember if it really looked bad. I watched bakemono and nisemono only on BD, so I can't say anything about it and you are probably right. |
rsc-plOct 10, 2015 11:30 AM
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| I lol'd when Oikura was sliding on the floor after getting rekt by Hitagi. Besides Oikura, I want to know more about Ougi. rsc-pl said: Too many 3DCG You don't like tables? |
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| Oikura's stream of invective was great. It really would be interesting to see why she hates Araragi so much, perhaps that they resemble each other too much in a certain aspect. Ougi is amusing in her own right, there is this particular charm about her. Senjougahara is simply unstoppable when it comes down to it, boy was that part entertaining! |
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GosuGian said: I despise Oikura. FTFY Hanekawa clinging onto Hitagi was so cute Dat falcon punch XD Felt so satisfied. Oikura totally deserved it for being such a bitch. Dat shota Araragi :3 And Ougi just continuing to be so awesome. |
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| Wow, Oikura certainly got messed up cos of that class assembly thing. I mean, she was basically rambling like a crazy person at points when she was ranting at Araragi. What in his past was so important that it has caused Oikura to hate Araragi to such a ludicrous extent? As for what Araragi brought up right at the end at talking more easily around Ougi, I do have to wonder about that as well. After all, it's abundantly clear that she is NOT normal by any definition of the word; it's more of a matter of what it is that is weird about her than it is about her weirdness in itself. |
| Well, I loved pretty much everything about this ep, except maybe the OP, was good but not quite as good as decent black^^ |
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| Oikura sure let loose of all her suppressed hatred towards Araragi. But knowing her underlying reason for doing so (not yet revealed in the anime yet), it's pretty justifiable, I'd say. Senjougahara vs. Oikura was shorter than I expected, but epic and hilarious nonetheless. "Araragi, I'm going to pass out as well. I trust you with the rest." *falls to the ground* Lol. Ougi's character still remains just as mysterious as ever. I wonder if it's his/her way of inquiring or a supernatural ability that compels Araragi to answer without any fabrication. Hopefully we'll get into that matter someday.  |
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| Gahara-san Ko-ing that bitch!!!! And Ougi's wordplay though!! "15 Damage""147 damage"LOL |
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moodie said: therandomestguy said: Being smart and understanding things are two different things. People who are smart are those having or showing a quick-witted intelligence. What Ouji showed is that. Besides being smart doesn't mean you automatically know the answers to questions. Besides what Ouji did by choosing the wrong envelope didn't display lack of intelligence what so ever. I think you don't understand Oujis character at all.If you are smart, you are able to understand things. If you are able to understand things, you are smart. You can split hairs, but basically they're the same thing. When I said inconsistent I was referring to the two situations I mentioned, which were inconsistent, so it wasn't the wrong word. "Having or showing a quick-witted intelligence" is indeed the definition of smart directly out of the Oxford English Dictionary, but I still don't understand how that's distinct from understanding things. Someone with a quick-witted intelligence understands things. moodie said: People who are smart are those having or showing a quick-witted intelligence. What Ouji showed is that. moodie said: Ouji isn't portrayed as smart but rather able to understand things. You contradicted yourself, so I don't even know what you're trying to argue. I'm not claiming I understand her character extremely well, but I at least know how to spell her name. I thought it was just a typo or something at first, but you spell it that way every time. It's Ougi not Ouji. |
| Damn Senjougahara that girl. I'm happy she appeared again, it's been a long time. |
| oooh splatoon! |
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| That Ougi just gets on my nerves. Besides that, great episode. |
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therandomestguy said: now ur just trying to find fallacies in my statements and correcting my spelling doesn't change the fact that i know OUGIs character and how it isn't inconsistent at all. Not trying to say this as a pretentious person but as a person who read the novel I'm telling u that ur wrong in ur assumption. but hey if u rather try to correct every error i make rather than understand the message behind it thats fine by me. its my fault for trying to bring light to the situation.You contradicted yourself, so I don't even know what you're trying to argue. I'm not claiming I understand her character extremely well, but I at least know how to spell her name. I thought it was just a typo or something at first, but you spell it that way every time. It's Ougi not Ouji. Max said: i def caught that it could be…actually it probably is knowing how referenced heavy shafts team areBy the way, did anyone else notice the Splatoon reference during the presentation of The Monty Hall Problem? I also think the segment before it might be a nod to Nekojiru.. |
| Hanekawa clinging to Gahara made the episode for me,also Gahara finally showing up. Max said: By the way, did anyone else notice the Splatoon reference during the presentation of The Monty Hall Problem? I also think the segment before it might be a nod to Nekojiru.. Oh,so it was a Splatoon reference after all. I thought I was just imagining it |
| That was amazing. I loved everything, and every character. I laughed my ass off when Senjougahara punched Oikura. This, Subete ga F ni Naru, and Sakurako-san are probably the best series this season. 5/5 |
| I'm not a fan of the ending credits. How about we get some Hitagi x Tsubasa eyecandy instead? |
| Wow, I really bought into Oikura's hatred. I found myself wincing a bit with what she said, great job. The Monty Hall problem took me a little while to figure out when I first saw it, so I'm not surprised that Ougi got it wrong when common sense told her to answer on the spot. |
| I need sleep. |
| Probably my favorite Monogatari OP so far. Outside of that, I really didn't care for this episode. |
| I like Ougi, is cute |
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moodie said: therandomestguy said: now ur just trying to find fallacies in my statements and correcting my spelling doesn't change the fact that i know OUGIs character and how it isn't inconsistent at all. Not trying to say this as a pretentious person but as a person who read the novel I'm telling u that ur wrong in ur assumption. but hey if u rather try to correct every error i make rather than understand the message behind it thats fine by me. its my fault for trying to bring light to the situation.You contradicted yourself, so I don't even know what you're trying to argue. I'm not claiming I understand her character extremely well, but I at least know how to spell her name. I thought it was just a typo or something at first, but you spell it that way every time. It's Ougi not Ouji. Well I wasn't really trying to find them I just noticed and pointed them out. I'm sorry for that. I just thought it was unfair to say I don't understand her character at all if you're spelling her name wrong in the process. But I haven't read the novel, so you do know her character better than I do. I'll take your word for it that her character isn't inconsistent, but again I was just referring to the two situations that didn't have similar outcomes. |
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| Oikura is crazy. Love the Senjougahara vs Oikura part. Senjougahara need more screen time. |
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rsc-pl said: I thought that they had done horrible things with art last week because the duration of episode. But no, this series just looks awful. The times when Shaft's shows looked awesome are probably ended. It looks like shit. Really, worst looking Shaft's show ever. Why? It is super popular anime, so? Of course plot is still good, but this not a book, visuals are important too. Especially if something looks that bad like this show. (if someone want quote this post, please first look at second one few posts below) What the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you blind or something? |
| Boring as always. Well, the quality is consistent. That's good. However, the show was shit-tier in the first place. That's bad. The animation is good. That's good. However, I don't rate shows based on animation quality, but rather, based on entertainment value. That's bad. 2/5 |
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| Do you know the feeling when you give somebody a riddle, but the person struggles with it, so you provide various hints to keep them guessing instead of just giving up? This is what Ougi does with Araragi. She knows, she quite obviously knows, but she needs Araragi to solve the riddle himself. So she guides him directly and indirectly into the direction he fails to walk. To engage him, she is asking redundant questions, to keep him on the correct line of thinking, she is giving wrong answers he has to correct. This is how I see it. |
| Another good episode. The opening was very psychedelic, but I like Marina Inoue's deep voice. Oikura is very insane, how she react when Araragi appears before her was excessive, and then she stabs his hand with a pen... when Senjougahara entered in the classroom XD. I love Gahara-san's punch to Oikura and the moment when she says that she is the only that can stab his boyfriend XD. That is my Gahara-san. I missed her in Hanamonogatari and Tsukimonogatari, so every screen time of her gold. I feel that Araragi did something to Oikura in the past and that that event is the reason why she hates him so much. The ending was a good cliffhanger, I want more. I feel that Oikura will be tsundere for Araragi later. Ougi is still creepy (in a good way) and I still loving her/his voice. PS: Dat Splatoon reference. |
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Frontalbrise said: Do you know the feeling when you give somebody a riddle, but the person struggles with it, so you provide various hints to keep them guessing instead of just giving up? This is what Ougi does with Araragi. She knows, she quite obviously knows, but she needs Araragi to solve the riddle himself. So she guides him directly and indirectly into the direction he fails to walk. To engage him, she is asking redundant questions, to keep him on the correct line of thinking, she is giving wrong answers he has to correct. This is how I see it. Pretty spot on. That's how I see Ougi as well. She is just so mysterious and ominous, it's like she is the master puppeteer that is setting up everything. And I love it, she is one of the most interesting Monogatari characters. Anyways, another perfect episode, simply perfection. Is it just me or does Owari feel much trippier and more abstract in the visual departament than the previous titles? This really does take back to old Bake days which might be one of the reasons why I'm loving this so much. This season mystery has taken place as the main genre so far which is quite amazing that the show always manages to stay fresh and intriguing. The moment with Senjougahara was gold. |
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64SuperNintendo said: Boring as always. Well, the quality is consistent. That's good. However, the show was shit-tier in the first place. That's bad. The animation is good. That's good. However, I don't rate shows based on animation quality, but rather, based on entertainment value. That's bad. 2/5 Drop it now, because if you didn't enjoy this one, you most likely won't enjoy the rest as well as all the other seasons. Its not for everyone, and its completely understandable. I personally love it from animation to the story telling. But then again some just find it boring. |
lockyy said: 64SuperNintendo said: Boring as always. Well, the quality is consistent. That's good. However, the show was shit-tier in the first place. That's bad. The animation is good. That's good. However, I don't rate shows based on animation quality, but rather, based on entertainment value. That's bad. 2/5 Drop it now, because if you didn't enjoy this one, you most likely won't enjoy the rest as well as all the other seasons. Its not for everyone, and its completely understandable. I personally love it from animation to the story telling. But then again some just find it boring. I already saw the other seasons. Thanks anyway though. |
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| I am kinda confused, is Nadeko medusa before or after Owarimonogatari? |
rodacOct 11, 2015 7:45 PM
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DarknessSerpent said: it seems like timeline in this series is getting ppl tripped up but here is a visual. I am kinda confused, is Nadeko medusa before or after Owarimonogatari? |
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