| For a long time now, MAL has implemented changes without any hints whatsoever. Thing have been removed, changed, updated without requesting feedback nor explanation. Today we have noticed that all Music Type series have been excluded from the Rankings. I don't see anywhere any updates to guidelines, any announcement, any news. Nothing about this. What is the basis for making this blatant biased decision? What is the purpose? We have already seen for some time now that there's a dislike for short series on this website and that it's getting harder to have them on the site, as the guidelines for them continue to get stricter... but that does not explain why you need to exclude series that are perfectly normal and that can be popular too to be part of the ranking. Just why? Because they are short? Because it dethroned your favorite TV type show and you can't handle it? Just what is next??? Are we going to continue silencing them until they are no longer allowed? Will you continue deleting stuff without telling your freaking userbase? I can totally understand not including Hentai. Totally understandable. Also the same for not displaying series which have a low count of votes. But for the love of ###, explain things like this. It's as irrational as deleting the MAGIC tag. Then suddenly adding a Team Sports tag, just to tag a series with Sports AND Team Sports. (or like, you know "Magical Sex Shift" when there was a Gender Bender tag already in place) Yes, I'm mad and annoyed at this site that continues to make things like this without explaining or asking for feedback from people that actually like to use your site. |
| I did think there would at least be an announcement of some sort explaining why or just talking about it in general, but I don't see anything. |
SheyCroix said: I don't see anywhere any updates to guidelines A note was added to the info page. But it's indeed surprising to not see an announcement. |
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Alexioos95 said: SheyCroix said: I don't see anywhere any updates to guidelines A note was added to the info page. But it's indeed surprising to not see an announcement. Imagine making such a big change and expecting most people to notice that small bit there that looks like an afterthought 😒 Thanks for pointing it out! I didn't see it earlier |
| I honestly thought for a second about leaving MAL Fortunately I had the link for music tags search saved and it seems to be working https://myanimelist.net/anime.php?cat=0&q=&type=6&score=0&status=0&p=0&r=0&sm=0&sd=0&sy=0&em=0&ed=0&ey=0&c[0]=a&c[1]=b&c[2]=c&c[3]=f&gx=0&genre[0]=19&o=4&w=1&o=4&w=2 Music should still be a tag, I am pissed off they removed that tag |
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Thank you for reporting this. I find it a bit silly that they presumed there was some issue with a music video in the top 50; it's not like this is the first one to ever rank high, and I don't understand why length or format should matter in the first place. However, if MAL wants to exclude music videos by default in the top ranking, I recommend introducing the following:
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KwanthemasterApr 21, 2023 6:22 PM
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SheyCroix said: Just why? Because they are short? Because it dethroned your favorite TV type show and you can't handle it? Because music videos aren't anime so why should they be included? Sure they could add a music tab but literally nobody on this site cares except the people who spam their lists with music videos. SheyCroix said: I can totally understand not including Hentai. Totally understandable. OK nice hypocrisy. |
| Honestly, I'd love seeing a separate "Top Music" ranking. I'm not really bothered by music videos being removed from the Top Ranking (rather: I wasn't even aware that they were included before...), but I agree that a notice would have been great for those who care. However, maybe it's some sort of preparation for a Top Music tab being implemented in the future, who knows? A lot of changes happened recently, so that might be one as well. |
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| Oh, they were removed from the rankings? That's surprising and quite unfortunate, given how there is no Top Music list, dedicated solely for anime music videos. |
| Quite easy to see, ima every time Yoasobi or other mainstream music groups makes an AMV and the entry just plagues the ranking for no good reason. I can understand the hype for Oshi no ko that put it to the top but seeing something like Idol getting a higher score than dozens of masterpieces is just bullshit. This once happened in the past with Ishozoku Reviewers and I think this site did make a good choice for changing their system, though I agree with you that they should at least make a small announcement. SheyCroix said: Hentai in the end is still Anime, why excluding it considered to be understandable to you? You seemed to be mad at music video being removed from the ranking but at the same time indifferent to another category, aren't you also biased?I can totally understand not including Hentai. Totally understandable. |
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ateks said: Because music videos aren't anime so why should they be included? Sure they could add a music tab but literally nobody on this site cares except the people who spam their lists with music videos. whew and just why do you think they aren't anime? (honestly curious to see a different opinion) Anime, by definition, is animated work from Japan usually made with colorful graphics etc ateks said: SheyCroix said: OK nice hypocrisy.I can totally understand not including Hentai. Totally understandable. kizumi91 said: SheyCroix said: Hentai in the end is still Anime, why excluding it considered to be understandable to you? You seemed to be mad at music video being removed from the ranking but at the same time indifferent to another category, aren't you also biased?I can totally understand not including Hentai. Totally understandable. Why that makes me a hypocrite? 😔 and I don't think I'm biased. One of the few things MAL has been constant about is keeping a "safe" site for their underage audience. For a very long time, they don't include Hentai on their rankings as a way to keep it more hidden, I guess? Similarly how their official app doesn't show any Hentai or Erotica, even if it's on your list (yes, that still baffles me). So I can understand why, with their PG-13 safe site policy, they want to hide those from places that might make them more visible to the general, casual user. But I can't see how that would relate to hiding Music type series. (Yes, there are highly rated Hentai series that would appear there) 🤷♂️ @IridescentJaune thanks for the share, will check some out. Also yes, sometimes it feels as if they don't particularly care about how their userbase feels with these 😔 |
SheyCroixApr 22, 2023 10:21 AM
SheyCroix said: As far as I know, the reason their app doesn't show any Hentai or Erotica is due to some Appstore and GooglePlay's policies.One of the few things MAL has been constant about is keeping a "safe" site for their underage audience. For a very long time, they don't include Hentai on their rankings as a way to keep it more hidden, I guess? Similarly how their official app doesn't show any Hentai or Erotica, even if it's on your list (yes, that still baffles me). For the web version, currently, the highest score of a Hentai is 7.86 (https://myanimelist.net/anime/50634/Love_Me__Kaede_to_Suzu_The_Animation), supposedly a place between 800th and 900th if included in the ranking. Hence, I don't think hiding it would help much in the effort to keep them invisible from underage users. If they actually want to conceal it, shouldn't they also have to exclude them from the popularity ranking? SheyCroix said: Because the main purpose of music video is different from other normal Anime, just like how Hentai merely serves as a tool for viewers to do their things.But I can't see how that would relate to hiding Music type series. |
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| I guess stuff like Interstella5555, Shelter, all the Mekakucity vids, etc aren't "anime" enough to be ranked alongside all the real anime on MAL. I never thought I'd see the day when they'd remove Leiji Matsumoto's second highest-rated anime on the entire site from overall rankings, but here we are. Such a strange decision. |
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| I don't understand any rational behind this change. MVs are anime too, otherwise why would they be on the site? If an MV is genuinely good enough to be ranked really high than just let it be there. It's not like that happens very often, most MVs are shit. Will they stop ranking ONAs if one gets rated really high? What about OVAs, specials, movies, etc? Trying to make things "fair" just comes across as seeing some types of anime as being more of "true anime" than others. There's only 7 MVs rated over 8/10 out of 1400 total MVs on the site. There's literally no upsides to excluding them. |
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| Personally I dont have a problem with them removing music type from the rankings. I personally dont think music videos should count as anime, when I think of anime I think of East Asian cartoon series/film (Japanese/ Korean/ Chinese). From a google search the definition google gives for anime is "a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children." I wouldnt classify Music videos as either film or television animation. You could argue that the word anime literally just means animation, but then that includes all animated things ever created from all countries, which would create a mess for MAL, but I believe that most people would not define anime that way. Finally, if I was introducing someone to anime and giving examples of what anime is I wouldnt show an animated music video and say this is anime. So in conclusion, whilst I have no problem with them excluding type music (even to a certain extent without notice), I do believe that they should include a tab for top type music. |
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SheyCroix said: ateks said: Because music videos aren't anime so why should they be included? Sure they could add a music tab but literally nobody on this site cares except the people who spam their lists with music videos. whew and just why do you think they aren't anime? (honestly curious to see a different opinion) Anime, by definition, is animated work from Japan usually made with colorful graphics etc One is a two minute clip, the other one usually spans over multiple hours or even days. It wouldn't make much sense to compare them against each other on the same ranking list. kizumi91 said: As far as I know, the reason their app doesn't show any Hentai or Erotica is due to some Appstore and GooglePlay's policies. Only because of Apple policies to be exact. Google doesn't have anything against that kind of stuff. |
ateks said: kizumi91 said: As far as I know, the reason their app doesn't show any Hentai or Erotica is due to some Appstore and GooglePlay's policies. Only because of Apple policies to be exact. Google doesn't have anything against that kind of stuff. They do, actually! https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9878810?hl=en There are examples of what's not okay to show in an app (they don't even allow it when it's censored), and most Hentai cover pictures show exactly that. |
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Haptism93 said: ateks said: Only because of Apple policies to be exact. Google doesn't have anything against that kind of stuff. They do, actually! https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9878810?hl=en There are examples of what's not okay to show in an app (they don't even allow it when it's censored), and most Hentai cover pictures show exactly that. Did you even read your own link? Nothing there says anything against what MAL does. Also those policies only apply to paid services and specified regions. You can find tons of porn games on the Google app store. |
It does not make you a hypocrite nor are you biased if you are ok with including music videos while excluding hentai, and the idea that the two categories are somehow comparable in their exclusion (as some are saying) is absolutely ridiculous. One thing ppl don't realize is that with many forms of entertainment, it's been a standard to exclude hardcore porno from other genres when it comes to rankings, awards, ratings, popularity, etc etc. But why they do this? This is key: the audiences, purposes, where it can be sold/seen, and most importantly the effect on the audience, all these are very different between hentai and every other anime genre I can think of (including music types). We see the age thing is a big part of it- but it's not even the entire reason. Looking at it this way, the dissimilarity between hentai and other anime becomes very obvious.. and we also see music type has far more in common with the other non-hentai anime genres than we may have thought! 😁 To look at the big picture and deny this is being very disingenuous. This perspective even shows us there's major contrast between the vast majority of hentai and ecchi anime! For example some fans must think ecchi is just hentai without the hardcore censored stuff lol. But if you actually watch them both, you see that's not true at all. Unfortunately many fans are too closed-minded to see a full perspective. This is very common (IE the rating for enjoyment debate). Anyways this is just the beginning and one can go way deeper into this rabbit hole 👀 and lead it into a couple points to help justify music as a ranking although there's definitely outliers in music and hentai genres that could be treated differently, but that's a whole other discussion. It can also still maybe be argued that MAL was right (I don't agree personally) but it's crazy for others to say you're a hypocrite for excluding hentai and not music. btw if some rando wants to attack my opinion because "I haven't seen enough X!" I don't include anywhere near everything on my list tldr you're not a hypocrite, and I agree with you if we look at the industry and community experience as a whole |
Shishio-kunApr 22, 2023 8:03 PM
| Hey @Kineta @Leknaat @cyruz, can you guys please provide a proper explanation as to why all 2400+ MVs were excluded from the Top Anime rankings without bothering to inform us or to get our opinions/feedback? https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=topanime -> "Music Videos are also excluded from Top Anime." is not a proper explanation |
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Shishio-kun said: This is key: the audiences, purposes, where it can be sold/seen, and most importantly the effect on the audience, all these are very different between hentai and every other anime genre I can think of (including music types). Shishio-kun said: Isn't the audiences, purposes and effects of music video also different from normal Anime? I'm curious to know the reason you think music video has more in common with non-H Anime? Don't tell me you're about to say that they are both animated and feature music by Japanese people.Looking at it this way, the dissimilarity between hentai and other anime becomes very obvious.. and we also see music type has far more in common with the other non-hentai anime genres than we may have thought! Shishio-kun said: IMDB, one of the most popular movie database also features music video and it is treated as a different category and of course excluded from the ranking.One thing ppl don't realize is that with many forms of entertainment, it's been a standard to exclude hardcore porno from other genres when it comes to rankings, awards, ratings, popularity, etc etc. |
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| mal being incompetent and making idiotic decisions? who would have thought. We're talking about the same site that doesn't allow Iczer One movie in the db yet allow hundred of recap movies. |
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ateks said: Haptism93 said: They do, actually! https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9878810?hl=en There are examples of what's not okay to show in an app (they don't even allow it when it's censored), and most Hentai cover pictures show exactly that. Did you even read your own link? Nothing there says anything against what MAL does. Also those policies only apply to paid services and specified regions. You can find tons of porn games on the Google app store. Hey there, I was just trying to be friendly here. Yes, I did read my own link and I even gave examples as to why it would be against the policies. But since I really don't want to argue and just wanted to give a friendly correction, I don't want to say much more about it. It might be a case to case basis, more or less, but most porn apps on the Google store end up being removed. That's also why some of the comic apps like Toomics and so on don't offer the adult stories on their mobile apps even though the app itself is free and you just have to pay for some services (like with MAL supporter). It's just something I have to deal with as I'm involved in the development of a (free) app currently, and sometimes you really have to be careful about guidelines and policies. It can be the smallest things that can make your life harder lol In every case: Better to be safe than sorry and I assume that's what MAL did in this case. Even if it's only for specific regions, it sucks if your app is not available in some regions, for sure! But no worries - I really meant no harm with my reply. I didn't mean to be rude and I apologize if I came across as that. I also realized that I'm starting to derail that thread and that was not my intention either lol sorry about that! |
Haptism93Apr 22, 2023 11:28 PM
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Haptism93 said: Better to be safe than sorry and I assume that's what MAL did in this case. They did it because it's too expensive to develope two different apps for two different stores and most developers do the same. For example Telegram has different apps for different stores and regions because they can afford it. Porn channels are only restricted in the Apple version (and in some regions) but not in the Google version. But yeah let's not derail the thread any further. |
acestrawbs said: MAL's definition of anime is "professionally produced animation from Japan/China/Korea" and music videos fit that definition. If it was only film and television then straight to video anime like Black Jack or Legend of the Galactic Heroes as well as anime aired on the internet like any of the anime Netflix or Bilibili has funded wouldn't count as anime, which is just ridiculous. There are longer music videos out there as well, like Interstella5555 which runs for over an hour and did have a theatrical release. MVs are a different style of anime, but they're no less worthy of being ranked.Personally I dont have a problem with them removing music type from the rankings. I personally dont think music videos should count as anime, when I think of anime I think of East Asian cartoon series/film (Japanese/ Korean/ Chinese). From a google search the definition google gives for anime is "a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children." I wouldnt classify Music videos as either film or television animation. You could argue that the word anime literally just means animation, but then that includes all animated things ever created from all countries, which would create a mess for MAL, but I believe that most people would not define anime that way. Finally, if I was introducing someone to anime and giving examples of what anime is I wouldnt show an animated music video and say this is anime. So in conclusion, whilst I have no problem with them excluding type music (even to a certain extent without notice), I do believe that they should include a tab for top type music. One could make a similar argument about short films or commercials as not being of significant enough length to warrant being ranked, but those are categories that are grouped in with longer anime under the same type, while music videos over 10 minutes are fairly uncommon. |
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zombie_pegasus said: acestrawbs said: MAL's definition of anime is "professionally produced animation from Japan/China/Korea" and music videos fit that definition. If it was only film and television then straight to video anime like Black Jack or Legend of the Galactic Heroes as well as anime aired on the internet like any of the anime Netflix or Bilibili has funded wouldn't count as anime, which is just ridiculous. There are longer music videos out there as well, like Interstella5555 which runs for over an hour and did have a theatrical release. MVs are a different style of anime, but they're no less worthy of being ranked.Personally I dont have a problem with them removing music type from the rankings. I personally dont think music videos should count as anime, when I think of anime I think of East Asian cartoon series/film (Japanese/ Korean/ Chinese). From a google search the definition google gives for anime is "a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children." I wouldnt classify Music videos as either film or television animation. You could argue that the word anime literally just means animation, but then that includes all animated things ever created from all countries, which would create a mess for MAL, but I believe that most people would not define anime that way. Finally, if I was introducing someone to anime and giving examples of what anime is I wouldnt show an animated music video and say this is anime. So in conclusion, whilst I have no problem with them excluding type music (even to a certain extent without notice), I do believe that they should include a tab for top type music. One could make a similar argument about short films or commercials as not being of significant enough length to warrant being ranked, but those are categories that are grouped in with longer anime under the same type, while music videos over 10 minutes are fairly uncommon. Thanks for informing me that MAL had its own definition, I didnt know that. but it still doesnt change my opinion from my own personal definition of East Asian cartoon series/film (Japanese/ Korean/ Chinese). Which music videos do not fall under. Also since you brought it up I do not think commercials should count as anime as well. I am also not sure why the length of the anime matters other than if you wanted to count Interstella5555 as a film instead? I do not know much about it is, is it just a single song that lasts over an hour, is it an album that has been animated or is it like a silent movie with a music video over the top? I agree with you that the google definition isnt the best which is why I just put series rather than television to include straight to dvd and online shows. |
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_cjessop19_ said: Hey @Kineta @Leknaat @cyruz, can you guys please provide a proper explanation as to why all 2400+ MVs were excluded from the Top Anime rankings without bothering to inform us or to get our opinions/feedback? https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=topanime -> "Music Videos are also excluded from Top Anime." is not a proper explanation Gotta agree. They could've at least informed the userbase about this change. Do they expect everyone to read the fine print in that page? They don't really announce small changes to the site like:
*I just stumbled upon them while using the site and on other threads. They really have to have a changelog or at least separate their Updates & Announcements board (See: a list of all the MAL updates). Heck they don't even explain why they won't ever accept full-length MVs from YouTube to be added in the videos section of MV entries, just teasers or trailers (See: Allow video submission from Vimeo). Copyright or licensing issues? At least include that in the guidelines so it's clear. P.S. Maybe there's gonna be a music tab? Who knows... I kinda doubt. |
| Another day on earth, another day MAL admins spend clownmaxxing. Why make such an r-worded change in the first place? |
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| Yet another awful decision, nothing surprising here. But hey, lets go back for a moment and think a little bit. I have seen some convo bits about whether music video should be considered an anime or not, how some of you perceive it and whether that change was actually proper or not, referring to the whole "Is X an anime" talk. Just to make it clear, even if I'm being a bit mean here - the issue is not even whether you guys consider it as an anime or not. The main issue is how MAL perceives it and how it acts according to it, or more like, the lack of consistency in their actions. Since MAL contains "Music" types and they're allowed in database (generally, as guidelines concerning them is kinda general and definitely not clear enough in what is allowed and what shouldn't be allowed, leading to a situation in which the fate of submitted show is based mostly on admin's whim rather than any particular part of guidelines), it actually doesn't matter for this action whether particular user perceives it as an anime or not. To make things consistent, until there's a particular valid reason (like in case of hentais, since you're not required to be 18 or older to have account on MAL or search through it, so it makes sense to exclude hentais from ranking to not allow young users to accidentally see them while scrolling through ranking), no type should be randomly excluded from ranking tab which is called, just to highlight it a bit, "ALL ANIME" ranking. And since MVs are allowed in anime database, they're being perceived by site as anime, hence they're automatically valid in "All Anime" tab. Simple as that, making these rapid changes on a whim doesn't sound like a good and required change, despite whether you care about them or not. So now, which is a bit more concerning, is WHY they decided to exclude MVs from ranking. Most people who actually follow new entries probably know that the reason was obviously this entry, since it managed to get into top30 and was put above some weirdly popular stuff like Kimetsu no Yaiba... but, what is the issue here? Is it because MVs should be rated based on different aspects, hence making the whole comparison between shows pointless (hopefully no one here has seriously considered comparing MVs and TV shows)? If so, then don't forget to also exclude OVAs and Specials, lets go a bit further and also exclude movies, since all 3 types are fundamentally different (at least in most cases), have different duration and requires from you to look at them a bit differently. Tbh I definitely don't understand why one MV that finally caught some attention, even if franchise bias helped quiite a lot, can do any harm to the site so they considered to exclude the whole type from ranking. That seems certainly unprofessional and even shows a bias from MAL staff. It obviously looks like a very bad precedent, and potentially harmful in a future. Like, honestly, we have SnK Kanketsu-hen as a special, lets remove all specials from main ranking. But even then, at least specials have separate ranking, which can't be said about Music type... And on top of that all, it was a really sneaky change, even tho it impacts quite big part of database. At this point I doubt anyone will announce it officially, but I love that at least some people got interested in it. |
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| I assume they may have did this since whether or not people like the song would greatly influence the rating far more than a sound track in an anime but they should have explained this and problem is similar argument could be made for anime about music since the music is a big part of it. What do you all think about making music have it's own separate rankings? Same with hentai maybe. |
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| @Jokobo I think it's not even a question whether music videos are considered anime or not, it's more a question whether it makes sense to put them into the same ranking list as "real" anime. They are just too different to compare them to each other. I would even argue that anime series and anime movies also don't belong into the same ranking list. That being said I don't think the change was made because of the Idol music video because that would mean they did that change within one week and that's pretty unlikely. It was probably scheduled for change some months ago and then forgotten about and that's also why we didn't get a notification. |
ateks said: @Jokobo I think it's not even a question whether music videos are considered anime or not, it's more a question whether it makes sense to put them into the same ranking list as "real" anime. They are just too different to compare them to each other. I would even argue that anime series and anime movies also don't belong into the same ranking list. Honestly, I don't think it matters that much. You see, as I said, MAL considers them an anime (otherwise why would they be in ANIME database?), and since that ranking is clearly labeled as "All Anime" and not "All 'Real' Anime", they should be totally eligible to be here (until there's a really valid reason like in case of erotica/hentai, where they go with approach "If you want to find it, you will, but otherwise you probably won't come across hentai entries randomly on the site"). As for the comparability, why is that an issue? We already have shows in ranking that are not comparable between themselves. Whats more, different genres requires different approaches and hence they're also not comparable. You can't make a meaningful comparison between Kaguya-sama and Shingeki no Kyojin (even tho both shows are next to each other in rank), since they're fundamentally different, so if that was an issue, we should make separate ranks for each genre. But then again, its "All Anime" tab so it only makes sense to include ALL anime. And as I have stated previously and you said that too, going with that logic, we would also want to separate all other types too... well, at least you have separate tabs for TV shows, specials, movies and so on. You don't have one for music... ateks said: That being said I don't think the change was made because of the Idol music video because that would mean they did that change within one week and that's pretty unlikely. It was probably scheduled for change some months ago and then forgotten about and that's also why we didn't get a notification. To be honest, knowing how MAL makes some reckless and rather rapid actions, I don't think it would be impossible for them to take Idol as a trigger for that change. I mean, somehow both Idol taking really high spot and them excluding MVs happened in the same time. Way too convenient, isn't it? Especially considering the fact that excluding one particular type from ranking is not even that difficult code-wise, so yes, its totally possible to change it in one week |
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IridescentJaune said: Has yet to be addressed, eh? I wonder when will they ever mention about this in the guidelines... Surprising, isn't it? /s Jokobo said: [...] That seems certainly unprofessional and even shows a bias from MAL staff. It obviously looks like a very bad precedent, and potentially harmful in a future. Like, honestly, we have SnK Kanketsu-hen as a special, lets remove all specials from main ranking. But even then, at least specials have separate ranking, which can't be said about Music type... And on top of that all, it was a really sneaky change, even tho it impacts quite big part of database. At this point I doubt anyone will announce it officially, but I love that at least some people got interested in it. One of my main concerns. So, if they exclude those now without an explanation whatsoever... what will be next? MAL has already done a one too many changes without informing its userbase and being like "they will notice if they use it"... So, what if we don't notice? Will we be told it's too late to complain once we do? I am assuming that it has simply gotten used to do whatever they want and think "better" for the commercialization of the site, which I hope I'm wrong... but everything points to it. As many have said, we simply have no proper way of learning about all the changes done here or the why. Heck, we should be lucky if we notice an anime entry has been deleted. But who knows, Dark Mode had been requested for so long and after an eternity, it's finally here. Maybe we will get a reply, explanation and a Top Music rank in the next 10 years. |
| There's gonna be another maintenance on April 28. I first saw the notice in the mobile app before they even posted an announcement: Planned 3hr Maintenance, Friday April 28 @ 2am-5am PT. "The maintenance will consist of some general back-end updates which will help us improve the quality of profile pictures in the near future. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and hope you'll look forward to more updates on this." I thought they were gonna say something about the changes they recently did (ahem like what's being discussed in this thread) in that announcement but it looks like the maintenance is mainly for quality of profile pictures. LOL. Of course, profile pictures are more important than the DB's metadata, etc. 🙄 |
IridescentJauneMay 2, 2023 3:57 PM
| So the maintenance last April 28 only addressed quality of profile pictures and some backend stuff I guess. Still no update regarding what's being discussed in this thread. Anyways, I'm just gonna submit more animated music videos to the database! LOL. But then they could delete all the MVs same with other sections of the site (ahem comments section of 'People' pages). If you check on https://myanimelist.net/anime.php the Music theme already has 3,348 entries (and counting); it has the most entries for a theme. Haha. Of course, not everything with that theme are music videos but they account for most of that theme. I know they no longer rank but at least we can still sort by score https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/19/Music. |
IridescentJaune said: Still no update regarding what's being discussed in this thread. Just give up, there will not ever be an announcement or explanation and they won't ever change it back. Same thing that they did after the massive backslash of the review update. They just ignore it and sit it out until people stop talking about it. Admins are too busy creating useless interest stacks and don't give a fuck about how this site is run. |
| This is a really bad move. I'm very disappointed in how this is being handled. Just because one entry became a massive outlier doesn't justify removing entries like Interstella5555, Shelter, and Gotcha from the main rankings. The rankings of a site like this should never be messed with without careful consideration and feedback from the userbase. Having a single music video in the top 50 that is there mostly because people enjoy the show related to it is not a significant problem. If it was #1 on the rankings by a big margin, then maybe something would need to be done, but that was not the case and it wasn't going to happen. The fact that there has been virtually no communication about this big, sudden, and negative change to how the anime ranking system functions even after almost 2 weeks makes me genuinely concerned about the future of this site that I love using so much. I really hope that this change will be reverted as soon as possible. (On a side note, until this gets reverted, there is a side effect that might interest people who like database stuff. If you travel really really far down on the anime rankings, you can now see rankings for just music videos. It currently starts on page 400.) |
SleepteinerMay 3, 2023 10:27 PM
Sleepteiner said: (On a side note, until this gets reverted, there is a side effect that might interest people who like database stuff. If you travel really really far down on the anime rankings, you can now see rankings for just music videos. It currently starts on page 400.) Thanks for sharing that info. I wish they can just have a separate tab for top MVs instead of checking on that page or after 19995 or so anime. So Idol is still on top of most MVs... The silly thing is they did this change most likely because of that MV (See posts above or https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2089640). What's even sillier is they're doing an interest stack/badge challenge with the franchise; they're promoting it more than any anime on the DB right now. Plus, they still won't approve the official CM I submitted a week ago for that entry. As if adding that CM as the entry's preview video will affect the ranking when MVs no longer really rank in the 'Top Anime' tab. Anyhow, I don't really care that much about rankings and reviews. So they can just do whatever. I just hope they inform their userbase of site changes no matter how minute next time. |
IridescentJaune said: So Idol is still on top of most MVs... The silly thing is they did this change most likely because of that MV (See posts above or https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2089640). What's even sillier is they're doing an interest stack/badge challenge with the franchise; they're promoting it more than any anime on the DB right now. It's pretty much impossible that they did the change because of Idol. That would mean a code change within one week and that never happens on MAL even for more important stuff than this. We aren't talking about months but years for them to make code changes normally. It was very likely just a coincidence that Idol came out one week earlier. |
ateks said: It might have been one of those things where the framework for the change has been worked on in the background for a while, but was quickly put into place earlier than planned due to Idol.IridescentJaune said: So Idol is still on top of most MVs... The silly thing is they did this change most likely because of that MV (See posts above or https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2089640). What's even sillier is they're doing an interest stack/badge challenge with the franchise; they're promoting it more than any anime on the DB right now. It's pretty much impossible that they did the change because of Idol. That would mean a code change within one week and that never happens on MAL even for more important stuff than this. We aren't talking about months but years for them to make code changes normally. It was very likely just a coincidence that Idol came out one week earlier. |
Sleepteiner said: (On a side note, until this gets reverted, there is a side effect that might interest people who like database stuff. If you travel really really far down on the anime rankings, you can now see rankings for just music videos. It currently starts on page 400.) Thanks for sharing! I hadn't noticed that. (I was a tad too angry to bother checking the rankings there lol) Funnily enough, this has moved all hentai after all the "normal" unranked stuff. |
SheyCroixMay 6, 2023 5:08 PM
Sleepteiner said: ateks said: It might have been one of those things where the framework for the change has been worked on in the background for a while, but was quickly put into place earlier than planned due to Idol.It's pretty much impossible that they did the change because of Idol. That would mean a code change within one week and that never happens on MAL even for more important stuff than this. We aren't talking about months but years for them to make code changes normally. It was very likely just a coincidence that Idol came out one week earlier. Yeah. And no one said here that it was coded within a week or mainly because of Idol. But that MV probably made them implement whatever they were working on before earlier than their planned release. |
| If this change was pushed out suddenly due to Idol being rated too highly, then that is backfiring, because it is continuing to rise in rating. If it was allowed to stay on the main rankings, more people who aren't already fans of the show and the song would see it and its rating would gradually fall to a more realistic place. Removing something from the rankings lowers its visibility leading to a less accurate rating. The longer music videos aren't on the main ranking, the worse the ratings will become. This change really needs to be reverted as soon as possible. Pretty much the entire reason I joined this site and the majority of the reason I still use it and support it is that it has more reliable media rankings than any other media database site that I know of, making it an incredible tool for finding art that is worth one's time. This change, and the completely lack of communication about it, is significantly harming that reliability and integrity. |
SleepteinerJun 1, 2023 5:56 PM
| This is a very stupid move with no possible logical reasoning and was most likely done just because someone on mod team was salty about a music vodeo being ranked too high. It's just another in series of arbitrare decisions with negative impact on community done with absolutely no consultation with said community. |
You all need to watch Nami. |
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