| There's a friend of mine who is very prejudicial when it comes to Japanese games. Whenever I recommend him one he says that he won't play some cartoon game and that I should grow up and start playing real games like *insert an fps here*. So I was wondering why that's the case with some people. Visual novels, I can understand. There's a lot of text and little to no gameplay mechanics which is a perfectly valid reason to not like them. But when they dismiss any game that came out in Japan solely because it came out in Japan it's not logical. What do you guys think? |
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| Because Japanese games are usually bad, like really bad. And you often have feeling that all those games are made by one person in one big factory. |
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| So you're saying someone doesn't like Pokemon? |
Swagernator said: Because Japanese games are usually bad, like really bad. And you often have feeling that all those games are made by one person in one big factory. Basically this. It's pretty rare to find a good japanese game from my experience. Also even though I'm an anime fan it doesn't mean that I want games to look like that as well, anime art style in games just kind of puts me off. |
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| I have a lot of passions with the western games when i was younger until i finally got into Japanese today. Some Japanese games have: 1. Plots features some real life referrences 2. Graphics are improved in recent years, but they then get downground because of the newer weird engine 3. Most of the Japanese games obtain western releases, not all Japanese games don't get western releases. 4. Many Japaense games always released in console, handhelds, and smartphone games, PC games in Japan are niche, but there are lot of visual novel (many of which are eroge with pornogrpahy elements) and doujin games. 5. Designs in Japanese games are weird because of Japan is a country with monocultural designs (e.g. human characters will have animal ears and tails only). 6. Many of Japanese games that are now porting to PC are in poor quality, indicating that they we're just simply emulating games. 7. The plot of Japanese games tend to be weird, strange and bad. 8. Japan tends to be stuck in time wrap. That's all i know, if you know about this. (sorry for my poor english) |
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Menzo- said: Also even though I'm an anime fan it doesn't mean that I want games to look like that as well, anime art style in games just kind of puts me off. Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Dark Souls and probably many other Japanese games don't have the typical anime artstyle. If that was his reasoning he'd be fine with those non-anime looking ones but he isn't. And I don't know, dismissing games because of it's artstyle is silly in my opinion. EGOIST said: So you're saying someone doesn't like Pokemon? Probably, though I didn't specifically asked about Pokemon. |
AuronMar 24, 2018 8:51 AM
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EGOIST said: So you're saying someone doesn't like Pokemon? Luckly, i am a Pokemon fan, i try to get to finish the game on Pokemon BW, but i need for my Pokemon to train harder. Many of the Pokemon creatures designs are pretty nice, but also noted to be not good or weird/strange. |
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Orhunaa said: Menzo- said: Also even though I'm an anime fan it doesn't mean that I want games to look like that as well, anime art style in games just kind of puts me off. Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Dark Souls and probably many other Japanese games don't have anime artstyle. If that were his reasoning he'd be fine with those non-anime looking ones yet he does. And I don't know, dismissing games because of it's artstyle is silly in my opinion. Well I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to look at something I didn't like the look of for hours on end. It's totally reasonable to not want to play something you don't like to look at. |
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| I'd bet 50€ that the same person is a fan of either Dark Souls or Monster Hunter. |
CondemneDio said: I'd bet 50€ that the same person is a fan of either Dark Souls or Monster Hunter. I would be 100$ if i was a huge Pokemon and FIFA fan even more! |
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| It really depends on when you were born. Back in the late 80s & 90s, almost every popular game was made in Japan. Even games based on American franchises were coded by Japanese developers in those days. But things have changed since then, and the current wave of western developed games have more people's attention, mainly due to the fact that computers are now much more affordable. People born a decade or more after me grew up in a different era altogether. |
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Seiya said: It really depends on when you were born. Back in the late 80s & 90s, almost every popular game was made in Japan. Even games based on American franchises were coded by Japanese developers in those days. But things have changed since then, and the current wave of western developed games have more people's attention, mainly due to the fact that computers are now much more affordable. People born a decade or more after me grew up in a different era altogether. Yeah, i never played number of Japanese games when i was younger because i didn't know how the game worked. :( |
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| I know that Japanese video games dominated the gaming commuity in 1983 when the Video game crashed with Atari and they developed a number of Japanese games to the western audience for a long time until 2010s, when an increasing number of Japanese gamers are now peferreing smartphone games in recent years, leading to an decline of Japanese gaming induestry in decade. Since then western game comapnies return to developer the games in early 2000s along with the rising East Asian MMORPG games from Korea, China, Taiwan and other this now. (sorry for my poor english) |
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| Wut? Isn't everyone and their grandma playing Zelda this, Mario that, and so on ? |
| *darn, using my right hand is off-limits for a while. Typing with my left hand only is ... eww.* |
Menzo- said: Who are you people? Most of the greatest games ever made have come from Japan, your comments make no sense.Swagernator said: Because Japanese games are usually bad, like really bad. And you often have feeling that all those games are made by one person in one big factory. Basically this. It's pretty rare to find a good japanese game from my experience. Also even though I'm an anime fan it doesn't mean that I want games to look like that as well, anime art style in games just kind of puts me off. |
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| if someone offered me traditional kenyan dishes or an uzbeki cook book i'd respectfully decline. doesn't matter how prominent one is or how much influence it has over others, i just won't be interested. interpret however you like |
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Major123 said: Menzo- said: Who are you people? Most of the greatest games ever made have come from Japan, your comments make no sense.Basically this. It's pretty rare to find a good japanese game from my experience. Also even though I'm an anime fan it doesn't mean that I want games to look like that as well, anime art style in games just kind of puts me off. Yeah most, but a lot of them are shovelware and just fanservice games. Plus many of them are good, but they're so low budget that its hard to get western appeal. |
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Major123 said: Menzo- said: Who are you people? Most of the greatest games ever made have come from Japan, your comments make no sense.Basically this. It's pretty rare to find a good japanese game from my experience. Also even though I'm an anime fan it doesn't mean that I want games to look like that as well, anime art style in games just kind of puts me off. Definitely agree. There are very few western competitors that can compare with Japanese games in terms of story and characters, the only ones I can name off the top of my head are The Witcher Series, Heavy Rain and Last of Us. Probably a bit more |
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RedPlaty said: if someone offered me traditional kenyan dishes or an uzbeki cook book i'd respectfully decline. doesn't matter how prominent one is or how much influence it has over others, i just won't be interested. interpret however you like So basically, you don't like anything that's different? |
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| I also don't understand these comments about Japanese games being bland and factory-made or something to that effect. For me, I feel the same way except this feeling is directed towards the West. Everything in the West has some stupid political agenda behind it, SJW flavours, and honestly some of the blandest art I've seen. We get it, you like shit brown, slate gray, and depression blue-- stop putting it in everything like it's a secret ingredient to artistic success. REEEEEE |
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| The general western gaming market has this idea that things in the vein of FPS and anything along the lines of AAA gaming is the only thing that matters. Graphic Quality = Better Game. Lord_Sithis said: Pretty sure a lot of people give Pokemon and Final Fantasy a chance. Final Fantasy and Pokemon are well established brands. They've been around since original consoles and handhelds and they're rooted in nostalgia. Not to mention FF has kept with the times and is on the level of the western AAA games. And Pokemon is just marketed for kids so it has an automatic market (despite most of it's players being 18+). |
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| More like they don't give generic anime looking games a chance, and that's something I can completely understand. Same way I don't give a shit about WW2 fps #3090. |
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Major123 said: Menzo- said: Who are you people? Most of the greatest games ever made have come from Japan, your comments make no sense.Basically this. It's pretty rare to find a good japanese game from my experience. Also even though I'm an anime fan it doesn't mean that I want games to look like that as well, anime art style in games just kind of puts me off. Notice how neither of us said all japanese games are bad, but said "usually" or "most". We never said there are no good japanese games. And certainly I agree that the top tier games from Japan are brilliant. But there is so much mass produced garbage that it outweighs the good and puts a negative light on japanese games as a whole. |
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| If your friend thinks Japanese games are 'cartoony', it's probably because he dislikes anime in the first place? I mean, only a handful of non-anime fans actually play stuff like Neptunia and Tales. Maybe it's also because he's been playing Western games since forever. I have a friend who's a huge anime fan, but refused to touch any Japanese games because he never played them when he was younger. I finally broke his shell when I got him interested in Trails in the Sky, so maybe you just have to find the right game to recommend. There's also the stigma of Japanese games being low-budget and underdeveloped. People can only spend so much for games, so they probably want to play it safe by buying stuff that will likely satisfy them (in this case, Western games). |
SkittlesMar 24, 2018 8:45 PM
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| Because only anime fans like Mario (best selling video game franchise in history), Zelda (one of the best selling video game franchises in history), Pokemon (2nd best selling video game franchise in history), Final Fantasy (one of the best selling RPG franchises in history), Resident Evil (father of survival horror), Metal Gear Solid (popularised the entire stealth game genre), etc. That's just a few, by the way. There's still stuff like the Souls franchise, Dragon Quest, Tactics Ogre, Splatoon, Dynasty Warriors, Street Fighter, Tekken, etc... Shit man, Japan is practically the capital of the video game industry. |
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| Some of the stuff I'm reading here is just baffling. Japanese game franchises have had some of the most influence in the gaming landscape. Of course, there is a plethora of bad Japanese games, but the same is true for Western games. To answer the question though, your friend is an idiot. If he's so confident in his adulthood you might as well let him revel in all the mediocrity spouted from Ubisoft, Bethesda, Activision, etc. |
Skittles said: If your friend thinks Japanese games are 'cartoony', it's probably because he dislikes anime in the first place? I mean, only a handful of non-anime fans actually play stuff like Neptunia and Tales. Yeah this is what I thought too based on OP's description. I guess this is no different from "anime and cartoons are just for kids". It's not about Japanese games in general are bad. |
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| i wouldn't say so, a lot of my pals who hate weebs play japanese games, but i guess you could say it's because we anime watchers do appreciate japanese culture so japanese games may fit what we like more, like the story of the aesthetics. |
Menzo- said: I don't what games you guys are playing but clearly my experience with them its very different then yours. Yes, there's a lot of shit that comes out but its easy enough to ignore and I don't use those games to define the quality of all there games.Major123 said: Who are you people? Most of the greatest games ever made have come from Japan, your comments make no sense. Notice how neither of us said all japanese games are bad, but said "usually" or "most". We never said there are no good japanese games. And certainly I agree that the top tier games from Japan are brilliant. But there is so much mass produced garbage that it outweighs the good and puts a negative light on japanese games as a whole. |
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Swagernator said: And most western games aren't? If anything I would say there are more shitty western games than japanese games yet japanese games are neglected more than western games are.Because Japanese games are usually bad, like really bad. And you often have feeling that all those games are made by one person in one big factory. |
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| I assume you mean "anime games", right? Well, just take a look in Tales of Franchise today. Looks like a PS2 game in HD with outdated mechanics. And games like Neptunia, Atelier, Senran Kagura, etc look very cheap. On other hand people still care about traditional Japanese gaming franchises, like Nintendo games, Final Fantasy and in a lesser extend, Persona and SMT. |
| I mean. Wasn't Persona 5 pretty big last year? |
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| When i played some Final Fantasy games, they we're too hard to play, but after watching walkthrough, i am still learn how to play it for a bit. Of corse, Persona 5 was the best RPG games this year. I hope it will get an PC release soon. |
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hotsushikun said: When i played some Final Fantasy games, they we're too hard to play, but after watching walkthrough, i am still learn how to play it for a bit. Of corse, Persona 5 was the best RPG games this year. I hope it will get an PC release soon. Sorry but you won't see that coming, especially after Atlus trying to shut down a PS3 emulator saying "Persona 5 shouldn't be played on PC". |
| My guess, the negative stereotypes about people that watch anime may have something to do with it. |
| My brother hates most things that are Japanese but still enjoys some Jap games, even those with anime style so I don't think that's true |
| Anime style works wonders for 2D , when applied to 3D it simply sucks. Considering most games today are 3D this should answer your question. |
| It might just be your friend tbh who seems to be more into the frat boy sorta games. For my case, I find it hard to access Japanese games outside of Japan, especially in English & for the EU |
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| I don't think that's true, some of the most popular games ever are Japanese. |
| So, there are things problem. I've been attempt to caculate on PS1 games release on regions and how many of these games on PS1 game been released region so far. Here are my own caculation: Japanese-only release: International release: Western produced games: Misc games: I am still researching on it, because there a tons of PS1 games so much. |
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| Some of the biggest franchises out there are from Japan, and beloved by players of all backgrounds. I don't know what you're talking about. |
| I see two reasons: 1-Gamers are idiot and given the description you made of your friend, he's probably fine sticking to Call of Duty 2-Japanese games vary greatly, but the poster child are JRPGs, and I can see why someone wouldn't want to touch these. The worst turn-based gameplay ever, and not-so-engaging stories and designs compared to what people like Black Isle or Interplay did. Or Even Squaresoft America with Secret of Evermore. Orhunaa said: Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Dark Souls and probably many other Japanese games don't have the typical anime artstyle. If that was his reasoning he'd be fine with those non-anime looking ones but he isn't. And I don't know, dismissing games because of it's artstyle is silly in my opinion. Wait, your friend SPECIFICALLY hates anything as soon as he learns it's japanese? Forget about reason 2, at this point it's safe to say he's just an average online FPS player. I stopped playing multiplayer games because of these people, so make sure to bash him on the head for me (^: |
DeathkoMar 27, 2018 5:39 AM
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Swagernator said: Because Japanese games are usually bad, like really bad. And you often have feeling that all those games are made by one person in one big factory. Mario, the best selling franchise in gaming is Japanese. |
Monad said: Swagernator said: Because Japanese games are usually bad, like really bad. And you often have feeling that all those games are made by one person in one big factory. Mario, the best selling franchise in gaming is Japanese. And Sonic, one of the most popular franchies, is also an Japanese game too. |
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| Idk how having a friend who doesn't like Japanese games means "most people don't give Japanese games chance." Japan wouldn't be so big on the game development scene if most people didn't give those games a chance. Even people who says they don't like the anime style probably play and enjoy some Japanese games without realizing it. |
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| From all people point of view, i think Japan aren't exporting too much Japanese videos games to the west, i am currently caculating about how many games we're released in each region. I'll show guys how many is. (Sorry for my poor English) |
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| Most people who hate Japanese games always have the same comments. "It's weeb stuff" or "It's a waifu simulator" or something similar. And the same morons will probably praise stuff like Resident Evil, Nier Automata, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Metal Gear Solid/ Rising, Nioh, Yakuza, Ninja Gaiden, Final Fantasy, Persona, Vanquish, Bayonetta, Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, Binary Domain, Lost Planet, Monster Hunter and more which are all Japanese games. |
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