MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: you'll have to further elaborate this analogySure, there are a few stinkers, but for every SAO there is a Cowboy Bebop. So what are your thoughts on this? |
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MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: Did he say that? I mean, if so, I guess that's unfortunate, but as you said he makes some really amazing stuff. So I kinda have to forgive it, if he said that. Don't recall hearing about it, but I also don't keep up with what he does/says.His attitude to animators boils down to," Animators are reclusive otakus(not in a good way)" and "Screw anime, I'm quitting". Also.... MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: Sure, there are a few stinkers,but for every SAO there is a Cowboy Bebop. I love SAO and couldn't even sit thru an ep of bepop xd. Sorry mate. |
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| I think when you see the ratio amount of anime hits versus the schlock that comes out a season you're looking at a 10:1 basis. Now more then ever, 60 titles are just getting pumped out of the work and that'd be fine if studios took time to make them or wasn't producing more than one at a time but most studios are doing up to 4 a season and they look as if that is the case. I'm not saying the man is completely correct. But he has worked in the anime industry for decades and takes on apprentices who've worked in that environment and go back out into it. I think Japan needs a heavy hand to say "yeah, most of what's coming out of the industry isn't of quality, maybe we should reflect on why that is" because obviously nobody of his rank is saying anything "negative" upon the industry. |
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MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: Stripesu said: I think when you see the ratio amount of anime hits versus the schlock that comes out a season you're looking at a 10:1 basis. Now more then ever, 60 titles are just getting pumped out of the work and that'd be fine if studios took time to make them or wasn't producing more than one at a time but most studios are doing up to 4 a season and they look as if that is the case. I'm not saying the man is completely correct. But he has worked in the anime industry for years and takes on apprentices who've worked in that environment and go back out into it. I think Japan needs a heavy hand to say "yeah, most of what's coming out of the industry isn't of quality, maybe we should reflect on why that is" because obviously nobody of his rank is saying anything "negative" upon the industry. I can see that, but he doesn't have to so pessimistic about it. I don't see it as harsh or negative because yeah maybe he's generalizing a tad but he has a point. I know when this controversy cropped up there was a couple videos on the matter but the biggest point to his criticism is that, yes, otaku are in a sense creating the anime of today and no there is nothing wrong with that but it's obvious that these creators are riffing and creating their stories off anime from when they grew up (don't confuse this with inspiration) many of these people have had very secluded life styles and have not lived life outside the otaku life style and it shows in their work and how their characters interact and personify into an A-Typical anime character. You source the Cowboy Bebop where the characters are very real and have their hang ups and quirks to them and then you have the SAO also cited where they're nerdy kids who play videos games and don't really have anything else going on with them; their plights aren't relatable or tangible, all their dilemmas are video game exclusive and nothing else. See the problem here? Maybe he's harsh in a sense but nobody is going to improve with out criticism. If you've ever watched the movie Whiplash, he's basically the instructor and it doesn't make him a bad guy for saying the things he says. |
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Zeruk said: He has fair points, but just as he has the right to voice his own opinion on the anime industry, people like me and OP have just as much right to say he comes off as a pretentious twat.MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: Otaku is someone with unhealthy level of obsession over something. I don't think there is anything wrong with his opinion/criticism that anime industry is dwelling too much into its own tropes instead of looking at real world (everyone is entitled to opinion after all, and what he is saying is in no way false)I do hope I'm not being too offensive but I am not lying. In fact, here is a link of him saying stuff that essentially boils down to what I just said: https://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/01/30/ghiblis-hayao-miyazaki-says-the-anime-industrys-problem-is-that-its-full-of-anime-fans/ Of course that isn't helped by the numerous reports from people he works with that he's generally insufferable. |
MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: Stripesu said: I don't see it as harsh or negative because yeah maybe he's generalizing a tad but he has a point. I know when this controversy cropped up there was a couple videos on the matter but the biggest point to his criticism is that, yes, otaku are in a sense creating the anime of today and no there is nothing wrong with that but it's obvious that these creators are riffing and creating their stories off anime from when they grew up (don't confuse this with inspiration) many of these people have had very secluded life styles and have not lived life outside the otaku life style and it shows in their work and how their characters interact and personify into an A-Typical anime character. You source the Cowboy Bebop where the characters are very real and have their hang ups and quirks to them and then you have the SAO also cited where they're nerdy kids who play videos games and don't really have anything else going on with them; their plights aren't relatable or tangible, all their dilemmas are video game exclusive and nothing else. See the problem here? Maybe he's harsh in a sense but nobody is going to improve with out criticism. If you've ever watched the movie Whiplash, he's basically the instructor and it doesn't make him a bad guy for saying the things he says. I have never seen Whiplash actually. Maybe I'm just a liitle oddball but I can't help but feel annoyance when he criticizes the medium. I could see being annoyed if he was always stating this and was "somewhat" wrong. But he does have the experience and knows more about these animators and medium then we ever will. |
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| -His attitude irks me. LOL, I'm laughing so much because I feel the same, but I don't need to get to tell it to other people, it's just his character and attitude which aren't harmful, since there's some creators out there who are in jail which truly need some help. |
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MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: Well no one said you have to like him but he's not even that wrong. He's angry seeing the medium he likes "ruined" by certain people he dislikes.I would like to begin by saying, I do not dislike Miyazaki's works. Those are good and he may be a genuinely good person. However, his attitude really irks me. I have huge respect for him and him making a gigantic studio and pumping out hits, but his attitude to animators boils down to," Animators are reclusive otakus(not in a good way)" and "Screw anime, I'm quitting". I just find it offensive to the people who pour their life and soul into this medium. Sure, there are a few stinkers, but for every SAO there is a Cowboy Bebop. So what are your thoughts on this? I don't think so, maybe every 10 or 15 SAO there's a Cowboy Bebop. |
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MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: Okay, some creators are real weird but his pessimism his annoying and I dislike his harsh critic like behaviour. I agree, it's not like he's a pessimist because of his achievements and title, but he was already a pessimist before he was able to make anime, a lot of people praises him but I would rather praise Tezuka Osamu for his contribution, I doubt that he can make a movie like "One Thousand and One Arabian Nights, 1001 Nights" |
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MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: If for every bad one there's a good one, they'd all be mediocre. but for every SAO there is a Cowboy Bebop. |
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| He has been an asshole always and he will be an asshole forever. I dislike his personality too but atleast he makes good works ¯\_ツ_/¯ MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: LMAObut for every SAO there is a Cowboy Bebop. So what are your thoughts on this? |
MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: What declarations are you referring to, though? Do you have a source? Because this whole Miyazaki thing is kinda old.Lordwen said: If for every bad one there's a good one, they'd all be mediocre. I guess, but the industry isn't as bad as he makes it out be. At the same time he's way more entitled to criticise the industry than any of us to do the opposite. |
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| Miyazaki has always been quite vocal and borderline asshole-ish in his criticism, as well as arguably plain asshole in his personal relationships (according to his son). You don't need to defend that, nor it does need to retract from your enjoyment of his films. I am the biggest fan of Miyazaki but I'm not going to pretend the guy is a legit great person just because I love his work, because I also know his quotes, his criticism of other authors and some of his personal issues. Do I agree with him? I can see a point, but certainly not in the way he puts it. |
Konakana said: I disagree with the notion of trying to put anime into "good" and "bad" bins, but I do agree that it'd be nice to see more stories inspired from real life rather than from mutations of other stories trying to get ever more intricately deconstructive and reconstructive into the same tropes.The man has created the greatest work in anime and manga in its entirety and I highly respect him for that. He isn't entirely incorrect, the ratio between "good" and "bad" anime is not even remotely close to a 1:1 ratio. Anime is becoming more and more of a feedback loop, being inspired by itself, trying to invert its own tropes and make meta-jokes for the sake of it rather than base stories upon observations of experiencing life. Anime is becoming more and more inspired by simply other anime. |
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| He is a cranky old dude but he has made some of the best stuff the medium can offer. Also I like your SAO/ Bebop analogy. Bebop is awesome but SAO is indeed not very good. |
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| You don't have to like the creators to like their work. Just as you may like Teminator but hate Arnold Schwarzenegger IRL. I personally dislike Makoto Shinkai's view on life in anime, doesn't mean he isn't someone interesting. Same goes with quite a bunch of famous writers in history, some were bastards but wrote masterpiece books. I would call that having an independent viewpoint, making a distinction between the author/director/actor/writer and the media. |
| He's not saying all those salty things because he's arrogant, if that's what you meant. He's a true artist, he's more like a literary figure at heart. His works have more connection to reality and life rather than just being imaginative, so he's somewhat feeling betrayed to see people in anime industry (and all the creative industries following it) are more and more detached from reality. Partly that, and also trying to confirm that his artistic idealism/vision is essentially different from what anime is nowadays. He's just being saddened by the outcomes of the media he pioneered. Must be unbearably disappointing for him too, you know. Not to mention knowing that there's no young talent following his vision. It's like, "oh god, there's no hope for this industry. it actually will stray in the wrong way now." |
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Qui_Via said: He's not saying all those salty things because he's arrogant, if that's what you meant. He's a true artist, he's more like a literary figure at heart. His works have more connection to reality and life rather than just being imaginative, so he's somewhat feeling betrayed to see people in anime industry (and all the creative industries following it) are more and more detached from reality. Partly that, and also trying to confirm that his artistic idealism/vision is essentially different from what anime is nowadays. He's just being saddened by the outcomes of the media he pioneered. Must be unbearably disappointing for him too, you know. Not to mention knowing that there's no young talent following his vision. It's like, "oh god, there's no hope for this industry. it actually will stray in the wrong way now." Fiction imitating reality is the most overrated concept in the history of civilization. Fuck reality. |
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MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: I would like to begin by saying, I do not dislike Miyazaki's works. Those are good and he may be a genuinely good person. However, his attitude really irks me. I have huge respect for him and him making a gigantic studio and pumping out hits, but his attitude to animators boils down to," Animators are reclusive otakus(not in a good way)" and "Screw anime, I'm quitting". I just find it offensive to the people who pour their life and soul into this medium. Sure, there are a few stinkers, but for every SAO there is a Cowboy Bebop. So what are your thoughts on this? For me this analogy doesn't work since I like both shows. As for Miyazaki, just ignore what the grumpy old man says. |
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| I agree with you even though I like his works. He isn't even close to his son. |
| The idea is that you can't create something new in the medium if that's all you think about. You get caught up in the tropes and cliches and such, not even thinking about it. In fact, that could be what you want to mimic. This isn't a problem by default, but when it's the vast majority of what's being made it can be very tiring. Don't think of it as an insult so much as just his view on the situation. |
MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: One examle for me would be Nobou Umetsu's behaviour. He is a series veteran, much like Miyazkai and is a critically acclaimed creator. Yet unlike Miyazaki, you hardly see Umetsu act like an asshole. Nobuo Uematsu is a composer though. |
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MysteriousHo_Oh1 said: youseiki said: I agree, it's not like he's a pessimist because of his achievements and title, but he was already a pessimist before he was able to make anime, a lot of people praises him but I would rather praise Tezuka Osamu for his contribution, I doubt that he can make a movie like "One Thousand and One Arabian Nights, 1001 Nights" Yeah, people go on about Miyazaki and never give much of a thought to Osamu for his contributions. You talking about western community here? Because there is a prize named after the man "Tezuka Osamu Cultural prize" and he even won "Noburo Ofuji award" for his short animation Story of a Certain Street Corner. He definitely isn't unknown and some of his manga still get anime adaptations, even live-action. But yes there're many other people who have shaped animanga industry beside Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli, but western fans rarely give them any thought either because lack of information or them being old news (see Noburo Ofuji or even Nobuko Yoshiya). |
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