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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Sister Carmel! With that sort of personality, I'm not surprised that she became known as a "Holy Mother". Nice to learn more about her this chapter. The Former Captains of the Giant Warrior Pirates are also a special kind of awesome. Sigh, Linlin is in some real trouble now with what she's done. |
Stark700May 25, 2017 1:09 AM
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| Woah Linlin was massive as a kid, but compared to the giant warriors of Elbaf she is small. Sister Caramel so forgiving of Linlin. A person able to bring races of all kind together. A "Holy Mother" indeed. Linlin wants to eat Semla. Destroying the whole village is crazy. |
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Sister Caramel really was a very kind person. Not letting Linlin eat for several days was a terrible idea. |
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| The power of hunger + too much passion for sweet illness + Linlin strength = D.i.s.a.s.t.e.r |
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| This might take more than 2-3 months to finish, now that big moma seems to have mysterious demon powers. I don't see luffy and friends winning this even with some new super gear technique. Wonder if the mangaka will resort to something silly like fusion from DBZ. |
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| Great chapter. Sister Caramel was truly a nice person, forgiving Linlin for everything, I'm actually more interested in how Linlin's mom gave birth to her given her massive size even as a kid. That being said Linlin was one chaotic kid, tearing limbs, killing bears even if her intentions were on the good side. The difficulties of being too strong. :( Nice to the references to our Giant warriors, Dorry and Brogy. We also get to see the elders of Elbaf along with a younger Hajrudin which was great. Asking LinLin to fast was definitely not a good idea, she literally demolished an entire Elbaf city, just what kind of power did she have as a kid. o.o Yormel might end up killing Caramel if she tries to protect Linlin eventually leading to Big Mom's spat with Elbaf. |
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BurstChaos said: JudgeRuthless said: This might take more than 2-3 months to finish, now that big moma seems to have mysterious demon powers. I don't see luffy and friends winning this even with some new super gear technique. Wonder if the mangaka will resort to something silly like fusion from DBZ. They won't win, they'll most likely escape after bringing Sanji back; there's no way they can beat up a Yonko without the entire crew together It's not a mere yonko anymore. It's a demon that destroyed the village of giants so easily at the age of 5-6 ... They have to face big mom somehow and defeat her. Because she will go after them one way or another. I don't see why big mom wouldn't bite the dust when this arc is over. This kinda was the entire point of the struggle Luffy and pals went through. You might have forgotten, but Luffy and Law planned to kill Kaido, which should be harder to kill than big mom. So big mom is a stepping stone in the build up. She's hard to kill sure, which is why i expected 2-3 months for this thing to be over, but now after the revelation it will clearly take longer. Lelouch0202 said: I'm actually more interested in how Linlin's mom gave birth to her given her massive size even as a kid. That being said Linlin was one chaotic kid, tearing limbs, killing bears even if her intentions were on the good side. The difficulties of being too strong. :( she cheated the guy with a giant, it was so secret even te mangaka doesn't know about it |
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| That was an amazing flashback.Food is what make Big Mom become such a demon and it was nice seeing a young Hajrudin. So giant can live over 300 years. |
| This must be the fungliest kid I have ever seen in an anime/manga lol. It makes sense though why Linlin apperciates sister Caramel that much. She was a great person. It seems that Linlin gained this disastrous rampage due to her lack of that semla snack for a week. Good to see Hajrudin in his younger days too. |
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| Loved the chapter :D Nice to know more about Sister/Mother Carmel this chapter. She was such a nice person. I guess anyone would be considered a saint for actually taking BM in xD I loved how we got the mention of Dorry and Broggy. It was great to see Oimo and Kashi, the giants from Enies Loby. Oh and obviously Hajrudin as well. Was also interesting to get more info about the the 2 "oldest warriors of the world" and a mention of Loki, the prince. I really can't wait to get to know more about these Giants. I love Elbaf and the mystery behind it. Probably one of my favorite mysteries in all of One Piece :D But I guess that's for another time since this focuses on the big bitch haha. Her going around town wanting to rip out limbs of the other races.... Lul wut. To think I actually bought her whole utopia shit when WCI started xD Destroying a whole village over Semla. I really want to try that now to see if it's worth it :P How is a 5 year old so strong. Opening up more mysteries :O Really excited for next week's chapter :D |
RyunuosukeMay 25, 2017 6:34 AM
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| damn, mom already that devastatng snce her childhood... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| so how many years ago was big mom abandoned and where does one see that year, i saw on kissmanga someone said 63 but i cant find it :// but dammmm >68 yrs old >85 kids |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Mother Caramel = Mother Teresa. |
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| Sister/Mother Caramel was so forgiving of Linlin, and she must have had high levels of patience to have been able to put up with that without snapping or raising her voice. Damn, Linlin is going crazy over semla (it sounded amazing though and I want to try some now). It's ridiculous to see just how powerful and destructive she becomes when she doesn't get what she's craving. Next chapter should be good. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords. |
| Damn, with 5 already 5meters tall and that as a human ? O___O Even if Big Mom wasn't evil from the very beginning, just mentally handicapped, she is cleary an evil person in the present time line. But the flashback is doing a good job so far to make me symphatize with her. After watching Koe no Katachi this theme really hits a soft spot :D Looking forward to next week and how the execution will be stopped, well I think most of us know the answer already more or less.. |
FMmatronMay 25, 2017 4:15 AM
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| That young mother Caramel OAO What a glutton even as a kid damn, wonder how did she become like that. |
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| Damn that was a amazing flash back, I thought that I wouldn't be interested but boy was I wrong. One of the great points about this chapter is the semla, I'm from Sweden which is popular for Semla so it was nice to see Oda choose Semla for this, it could have easily been something French. But on to the chapter, it's pretty clear that caramel = mother Theresa. LinLin really is a demon, or something like that at least. You don't simply destroy the Elbaf village with strength and size as a fkn child. |
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nerfx said: That young mother Caramel OAO. She was 43 when she looked like that. Gerth looked cute. I wonder what she looks like now. Also, it's nice to see five giants we have seen so before. I'm so glad that Hajrudin is already part of Luffy'a alliance. Wait, that would also mean that he's the same age as Big Mom. Wait, Big Mom is just 68 years old?! That's pretty young for a giant! By the time Roger was killed, she was 44. Now that I checked the age of Roger's generation, she's 8-10 years younger than them! Wow, Brook is 22 years older than her. |
| Much better chapter than I expected. Love how it all loops back to Dorry and Brogy :D It was nice to see Hajrudin too! Linlin is a monster, destroying Elbaf at just the age of 5 :O Still can't predict what will happen after the flashback... |
| This was predictable after you saw her kill a bear instantly with 1 punch... Plus the story of how you can't even injure her... It's not surprising she destroyed the village because of a fast (seeing how crazy addiction to food during that cake incident). |
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| Wow, not like everyone ever didn't see this coming or anything. That last panel with the destroyed village was astonishing. |
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| So you're telling me former elbaf captains and the whole village jobbed to a 5 year old girl? wtf :'( That list of names with prince loki is gonna be important too. |
ichii_1May 25, 2017 11:39 AM
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| That's what I call a fast paced flashback. So much stuff cramed in so few pages. Nice ! What is exactly Linlin I wonder? She's not just a big human, there is obviously some hidden power that resides in her body, something quite dark. ps : last picture made me really think of this one :  |
short_reviewMay 25, 2017 10:09 AM
| holy shit, big mom powers are destructive even without devil fruit. |
| So... Big Mom is a very large human, and of middle-sized parents... okay... |
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| Okay chapter, last page was awesome. Young Big Mom was a naive child, with such a monstrous strength... Imagine what she can do now as an adult. I'm not gonna be surprised if next chapter Mother Caramel dies because of her. Also young Caramel = Nun Nami. |
| Of course Caramel's character was inspired by Mother Teresa. Pretty good chapter.. nice to see some characters come back (Dorry & Broggy, and young Hajrudin).. Charlotte has a massive power even when she was still a child.. Gerth is cute.. i think she's one of few One Piece female characters who has a consistent face drawing (even Nami's face could change from page to page lol) |
renzosparkMay 25, 2017 12:27 PM
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Isterio said: No. It´s not. 100%. Big Mom is as much a demon as Luffy is a literal monster. Zorro has the Sharingan and Sanji is the devil. They are nothing more than periphrases. Batman isn´t a Knight. He´s not working under a King and he doesn´t have subjects. There is zero indication for magic to exist in the One Piece world, aside from Devil fruits. Who calling it now, will turn out to be futuristic technology, developed by the Great Kingdom. Don´t dissapoint me, you know better than this. Actually I was thinking about some innate devil fruit ability, maybe a fruit that grew in her when she was a baby. Since we pretty much know nothing about devil fruits except that Zoan ones can be produced there is still room for Oda to add some stuff and special cases here and there ... |
| Haha, this was pretty fun. I guess semla works since they're based on vikings. I probably know some people that would actually go on a rampage if they didn't get a semla on the semla-day in Sweden. |
Isterio said: 3/5 for having a purpose for the people who couldn´t come to that conclusion themselves. It was the same with Doffy. The flashback didn´t show us any change in the character. There was no transition from good to evil. Or just from innocent to evil. How is Big Mom evil in that flashback? Everything she did or tried to do was for a good cause, and her rampage at the end is a result of illness she cannot control. |
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Anyone got any idea who these two kids are supposed to be? The way they are centered in the picture plus the descriptions make me think they're important, but they don't remind me of anyone we have seen yet... |
| Ara ara. |
| @Doomcraft They're probably 2 of BM's husbands... |
Ah, that could work. Good theory. |
| Ara ara. |
The10tailedwolf said: FireFistYamaan said: Damn that was a amazing flash back, I thought that I wouldn't be interested but boy was I wrong. One of the great points about this chapter is the semla, I'm from Sweden which is popular for Semla so it was nice to see Oda choose Semla for this, it could have easily been something French. OOOH It's a real dessert... I thought they just made that up lol Yes it's real and delicious, you should try it! |
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| Well lin lin was already bad from her childhood... I wish sister caramel had done something to discipline her or taught her things or something...that child is uncontrollable |
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| Flashbacks are always flags. |
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| So we're getting a look at Big Mom's past, and I thought this was a really good chapter. We couldn't get the whole thing in one go, but that's to be expected. So Big Mom can't get any giants because of all the bad blood caused by this incident. Though Lola was meant to marry Loki (whose birth was mentioned this chapter) before she ran away, so I'm guessing that was supposed to be some reconciliation between them. Regarding Mother Carmel, given her appearance from the photo I wasn't actually expecting her to be the honestly kind, caring woman like she turned out to be (I was expecting a situation where she wasn't really a good person but she still resonated well with Big Mom or something and so she remembers her fondly). But I guess smoking and being so old will do that to a person's looks. I'm wondering if she actually did leave after this event or if she'll take the sword swing for Big Mom and be killed, and Big Mom just doesn't/chooses not to remember properly. It's interesting to see a young Hajrudin, as well as Oimo and Kashi again (the timeline of things match up as well, they said 10 more years they'd go look for Dorry and Brogy, but ended up guarding Enies Lobby for about 50 years after that). And I don't know if it means anything (knowing Oda it very well could), but one of the houses had on it a similar sheep head like the Merry did. I also saw someone point out that those old giants are about 400 years old in the present time (assuming they're still alive which they may very well not be), which was around how long ago Noland met Calgara and the Shandians. The whole "natural born destroyer" thing reminds me of Shizuo from Durarara!!, though unlike Big Mom he actually dislikes violence and isn't crazy. This little covery story of Cavendish is funny so far, he was ruining the social balance of his country by keeping the women unmarried. So he was actually a prince before becoming a pirate, I forget if we already knew that or not. I don't think we've heard of the Bourgeois Kingdom before this, though. I've also been thinking about the giants lately, and how strong they are within the series. They're fittingly very imposing figures in the One Piece world, and seem to have lots of legends and hubbub about them and their strength. Their kingdom, Elbaf, resides in the New World, the harshest region in the world. The most recent showing of theirs we've seen before this new chapter was Hajrudin on Dressrosa. He lost to Luffy in one punch, fair enough, but he was strong enough to beat a Donquixote Family Executive. And we saw Little Oars Jr. and the sort of things he could do at Marineford, albeit he's a very special case of giant. In particular, I'm wondering about Dorry and Brogy. They were formerly the leaders of the Giant Warrior Pirates (so you'd think they'd be at least as strong as Hajrudin), a group that, both back when they were first introduced as well as this new chapter, was said to have terrorized the world, so I'm wondering how strong they really are. When they were first introduced on Little Garden, the power scale of the series was much lower. Their bounties of 100M were really impressive at the time (remember that Luffy's was only 30M at the time), but nowadays that's chump change compared to the 1B+ bounties we've been seeing. If they were ever reintroduced into the series in any significant way (with Hajrudin wanting to reform the Giant Warrior Pirates it'd be cool seeing them again), I'm wondering if they'd be much stronger than when we first saw them on Little Garden, just to match pace with the series as it is now, as well as more closely match the sort of descriptors that giants and the Giant Warrior Pirates have been given overall. |
frankykun13 said: Saul is not from Elbaf.so , the flashback didn't show Haguar D. Sauro probably he served marine for a long time ? giants can live for 300 years after all xD He said tgat when he met Robin. |
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Isterio said: TL.DR: A retarded person cannot be good or evil by nature, he lacks the cognitive capacity to diferentiate between the two moral constructs. Big Mom isn´t retarded and even if she was she couldn´t be good either way. What is this, a moral debate? It's pretty simple, she *was* mentally ill child in, as someone else put it, "a world of cardboard". Do you think people are born ripping apart cities? This is really misunderstanding human nature. "Evil" isn't biological no matter how many ways you slice it, everyone is a part of their environment. OBVIOUSLY this doesn't excuse burning down cities, but this is very basic story telling. Because it's basic human nature. Big Mom´s on the other hand is worthless to everyone who can deduce simple patterns in basic storytelling. This is a COMIC series, it doesn't matter if it's obvious (One could see this flashback coming a mile away if you pay attention), you're supposed to show it anyway. It's how comic series work. You don't leave things implied. |
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