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| This is why I like Oberstein. :D |
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ouriel said: This is why I like Oberstein. :D The problem with his view here and his Machiavellian nature overall is that he ignores the longer term effects of taking the most efficient short term methods. Reinhard came to power based on his skill, his subordinates' devote loyalty, and the greater support of the people. Such tactics erode all of those over the long term. |
| @MelloRed Isn't the Machiavellian view used for long term objectives and not for short term? If you look at, for example, the probe sent on Westerland or what was the name of that planet, that method was quite long term, securing Reinhard's position, bringing peace and saving soldiers lives, as well as civilian lives(with the exception of Westerland); on top of that, saving economical loses that came with the civil war. With these prisoners, they can negotiate either surrender or peace treaty, in order for the FPA to save their democracy. And, in the coming episodes, However, I can see few possible outcomes with what Oberstein chose to use as negotiating tool or surrender. Altho Oberstein is loyal to Reinhard, but he wants to see Empire and the Reinhard dynasty to blossom, which is why I find his argument in this matter sound. |
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| That guy nailed it on the head on why Oberstein is one of my favourites. "...Precisely because he is right, people will likely come to detest him." Edit: interesting to see all the people starting to like Oberstein. He's been my favourite admiral since he first pulled a "Bye Felicia" on that incompetent commander that almost got him killed. |
RedRoseFringJan 8, 2015 4:12 PM
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| Oberstein is so logical. Things should have been done like this a long time ago. Finally, someone who's competent. |
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| Oberstein is such a dick, but it's impossible to hate him when he speaks the truth. In a show where honor, pride, and image are so important, he disregards them all and is just a pure asshole! |
| This is getting good, I can feel it! Really nice so far, let's see what's next! |
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| Damn Oberstein pisses me off but he has a point. Also damn Rubinsky! He really doesn't have much time left... |
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| Well, someone had to remind them that pride of a few people had caused millions of death of the soldiers needlessly. |
| Oberstein is always an enjoyable character for me. Always right. Just rough |
| Brace yourself. Soon as LotGH 2017 comes out. The anime community is going to become so cancerous you will need to take cover and hide. |
| It seems that Oberstein can do anything for the good of the New Galactic Empire, he would place the Empire on top of everything else, including the Kaiser. He was ready to give up on honor, respect, dignity to make cold-hearted calculations, making almost the entire galaxy despite him. But will this be how the future generations view the Empire? Won't it create a bad impression for the future generations? |
| With the way Dominic and Rubinsky interact, I can't help but wonder which one is really in charge. Bittenfeld's constant jabs at Oberstein had me roaring. "When you praise someone, you do it loudly; when you denounce someone, you do it even louder!" Holy smokes though, attacking Oberstein was the icing on the cake. I guess that's where this image comes from (2nd row, center):  I gotta say though, Oberstein continues to grow on me with each passing episode. I had doubts about him back during the Westerland incident, but his line of thinking is among the most pragmatic and he truly takes the burden of necessity of what few are willing to do. Even though I hope his hostage plan doesn't succeed, it's a much better idea than sending millions of soldiers to death in the name of an admiral's glory. |
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| Don't know how I feel about Rubinsky's situation. I wanted the bastard to be as healthy as possible so I could be satisfied once he finally gets killed off (very much like Truniht). The thought of him dying because he's sick doesn't pleases me. I really didn't want to like Oberstein at first but he really grew on me. The guy is a total ass, but his judgement and reasoning are spot on. |
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| My respect for Oberstein skyrocketed in that last scene. Such cool badassery. For a second I thought he had been playing Bittenfeld all along, and wanted an outburst from him so that he obtained a pretext to put the Black Lancers under the charge of Muller, who would be far more effective in leading the expedition against Iserlohn. (Remember, Bittenfeld had already made a hash out of it, leading to Fahrenheit's death. Quite a track record, indeed.) Turns out he really wants to go ahead with the hostage plan, though.. Don't want Rubinksy to die off so easily, purely because that means less screen time for Dominique. Easily the hottest lady in the series, sorry Katerose - edges the Fraulein - sorry, Kaiserin - too. This season has been looking up over the last couple of episodes. Looking forward to a strong finish. Thank you for this, haven't laughed this hard in a while X'D |
ArachnophobicAug 5, 2016 5:51 AM
| I liked Oberstein since episode 26 were i figured out his true intentions and i though to myself that this guy is surprisingly good. I like how he uses logic which many admirals lack. Favorite line in this episode: "Honor?" - Oberstien. Yeah honor is overrated and it shows how dumb a leader in space era is. Great episode. |
| Someone had to remind Mittenfeld that the prevalent idea of "honor" among the admirals was way too reminiscent of the Goldenbalm dynasty. Oberstein was the best guy for the part, and it is a sad truth that people can't accept the harsh reality in many cases. |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| Woohoo finally an episode mostly about Oberstein. First thing first, his priority has always been "cleaning up" the workplace, no matter where he is lol, he's too busy to pay attention to Bittenfield mocking at him or the other admiral who don't accompany him. We can see that this guy is a man who always has planned ahead, and when given the right time he'll execute them right away, what a diligent man. I love how they say "grass-mowing" it shows that Oberstein cares to the minor detail. The conversation with the 3 admirals was simply epic, no facial expression, just words, he poured all of the frustration he held inside for a while into all of them at the same time, gave me a hard laugh as well. Even after he got assaulted by Bittenfield, he immediately got back to his desk without saying anything back, i'm starting to think this guy is way even more than a masochist -_-. And this line was probably the best: The problem is, he doesn't care what other think, which is why they hate him so much. He doesn't talk to anyone else except when it comes to work-related matters, he doesn't share his thought or idea with the other contemporaries, which is also why people don't understand him, they think he's a suspicious man who's up for something bad. I somewhat agree with the way he works, it is cruel and against most people's will at the short term, but if you think about the long term it's worth it. Since he always plans his work meticulously, he must have thought of all the possibilities that can occur after something's done, which is why he doesn't hesitate to make such daring plan despite being hated by many. Overall a great episode, getting love Oberstein more even though his screentime is short -_-. Update: Scrolling up for previous comments I can see while there's a lot of people come to like Oberstein from this episode, those on the opposite side would simply bring back the westerland and Kircheis's death as a mean to "sink" Oberstein's reputation down. While I have nothing to say about Westerland since it's debatable, Kircheis dead, on the other hand, is a different matter. If you really think Oberstein wanted Kircheis death then I think you're wrong, it was Oberstein's miscalculation on his plan, he didn't expect that someone would make such a daring assassination attempt which caused a long-lasting impact on Reinhard and even himself as well. Firstly, if he wanted Kircheis dead, he would have done it in a more safer way, which at least doesn't involve Reinhard on the scene. I mean Reinhard could have got himself killed during that incident, and Oberstein was willing to take the hit for Reinhard's sake. Moreover, if it was Oberstein that got killed instead of Kircheis, how could he proceed to further expand his plan and scheme to scour the Empire of the Goldenbaum's remnants, how could he aid Reinhard by being the "shadow" to counterbalance the "light" (Kircheis). So tell me, why would Oberstein risk that much just to get rid of someone who's partially on his way? To further digging into this matter, what Oberstein wanted was FAIR judgment from Reinhard, as he favors Kircheis too much, which would cause a great dispute among his subordinate. Oberstein never wanted Kircheis dead, he just wants Reinhard to treat everyone as equal, no more no less, thus persuading Reinhard into making changes on personnel policies. While many people think that Oberstein is a cold-hearted, emotionless "robot", he has occasionally expressed his "human" part (Or to be more precise, he does care about what's going on around him), which I believe was done subconsciously: like at the aftermath of Reuenthal's rebellion or Kircheis's death (his speech about light and shadow), or about the dog that he picked,... The reason why Oberstein has such a cold view towards everything could be linked to his past, which was revealed by Schenkopp. Even when he was just a kid, his peers didn't seem to like him (Schenkopp showed us lol), hence his being isolated, failed to understand the basic things of a human need such as love, care, affection, happiness, etc., thus leading him to be such a Machiavellian guy. |
CzeroCNov 25, 2017 5:22 AM
| Finally an episode in which Oberstein gets to shine. The Imperial military are such dumbasses, that even after Oberstein shoves logic into their faces, they still are barely able to accept it. |
| A great Bittenfield!! He hasn´t afraid of nothing, either Oberstain!!!! kekeke |
| I didn't realized it till now but I have come to like Oberstein. |
| This last season has been sort of a chore to watch, and that's the ~4 months of break between watching episode 100 and 101. But things have finally become interesting again with the ending of this episode! It's hard for me to come to a conclusion on how I feel about Oberstein, especially after this episode...since the beginning, I've not really hated him, but felt that he was a bit unlikable in his ways, despite having the best of interest for a new empire. This episode, he did indeed speak logically, his reasons were sound. Sure, if everything works out in the end, especially in the long term, that's great. But him making enemies out of his allies is unpleasant. Of course I understand he doesn't want to waste time convincing them, as there's a lot of things that needs to be done. However, let's say the people he pissed off weren't so proud and noble, he might've just given himself a death sentence. I suppose that doesn't matter to him, he's willing to take a gamble, and he may not actually care about dying. Imo, he only sees the goal, and if he dies while trying to get there, then that's that. The more I type, the more I'm less frustrated at him for what he did this episode. But still, the only reason he's allowed to say such things and act this way is because of Reinhard. If Reinhard really dies from illness, then would Oberstein still have this authority? |
| Seeing Bittenfeld under direct orders from Oberstein is delicious schadenfreude. |
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| Doesn't Reinhard, as the Kaiser, have the power to do anything he wants with the military, etc? After all the Empire is an autocracy. I agree with Oberstein but that's the side he chose. |
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SaiDrew said: The military power structure in the New Reich was never fully explained, but it was likely quite similar to that of the Goldenbaum Empire, from what was revealed. Thus you'd be right because the supreme authority of the Imperial Fleet in the Goldenbaum Empire was the Kaiser, who was the commander-in-chief.Doesn't Reinhard, as the Kaiser, have the power to do anything he wants with the military, etc? After all the Empire is an autocracy. I agree with Oberstein but that's the side he chose. |
| “Loddfafnir, listen to my counsel: You will fare well if you follow it, It will help you much if you heed it. If aware that another is wicked, say so: Make no truce or treaty with foes.” - Havamal 127 |
Sawilagar said: SaiDrew said: The military power structure in the New Reich was never fully explained, but it was likely quite similar to that of the Goldenbaum Empire, from what was revealed. Thus you'd be right because the supreme authority of the Imperial Fleet in the Goldenbaum Empire was the Kaiser, who was the commander-in-chief.Doesn't Reinhard, as the Kaiser, have the power to do anything he wants with the military, etc? After all the Empire is an autocracy. I agree with Oberstein but that's the side he chose. Yeah, I tried to remember which things from the previous dynasty had been changed but, as far as military goes, I didn't recall much. |
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| - It's regrettable to be criticized based on rumor. - Then that's not the truth, is it? - I didn't say that Damn Oberstein was cruel here x) |
| I don't agree with some of Oberstein's past action, but he's correct in his assessment of pride getting in the way of the best course of action. |
| Rubinsky doesn't have long time left in his weak body, whatever he's going to do he have to do it fast I agree with Oberstein, but there will be always 2 sides A side where people support Kaiser even to die for him And a side where they prefer keeping their own life and live in a peace era The question now is which one will the Kaiser pick For this once what Oberstein said truly makes sense for me 100% In a way he cares about the Empire more than Reinhard But because he said it too bluntly, they'll hate him for it |
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| Can't help but have mad respect for Oberstein. |
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| Oberstein is such a chad. I don't know about his war tactics but as a political strategist he is better than Yang Wenli and Reinhard combined. Everytime Reinhard follows through with one of his suggestions it always results in a massive victory for the Empire. Hitler would have won WW2 if he had more Obersteins and less esoteric brainlets in his ranks. |
| Oberstein is such a "love to hate" character and I've never really liked him that much but I'm 100% on his side on this one. He's absolutely right. |
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| Oberstein is truly a peak INTJ character |
| I hate everyone equally |
| daaam oberstein startin 2 speak like a rill mf |
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| damn that ending got me excited. oberstein is so badass logic person lol. he's maybe have some evil aura around him, but he's surely more logical and good than bittnfielf who just wants to crack some heads. i'm glad oberstein got more screentime, hope for more. the idea to trade the terraist information for some achievement sound exactly as i suspected long time ago they should have done so. i won't be surprised if this will come good to both sides. i want to see the empire and isserlohn coexist. it's the only good solution i think is reasonable for the isserlohn republic to take since yang's death. |
| They hated Oberstein because he told them the truth. |
| Oberstein is right in a factual and perhaps a moral sense, but for entertainment's sake we're going to have a war of course lol |
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| Oberstein pretty much ran this whole episode As soon as I saw Bitterfield being placed under his direct command,I knew things wont go well. He got away pretty easily tho, a simple house arrest and probably no demotion. Oberstein just doesn't have social skill mindset to be running a military fleet and admirals like these Finaly Rubinsky has appeared again, but so frail and weak, him acomplishing anything just feels meaningless since hes dying pretty fast. |
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