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| Although I don't want to compare this to Madoka, I feel as though it's not really handling the dark themes it's presenting all that well. It feels rather rushed and awkward at times, especially with Akari's decisions as a whole. I'm having a hard time connecting to the characters as well. I like this series so far and think it definitely has potential, but I really hope it picks up soon because it's only scratching at the surface of the concepts it's presenting. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Although I don't want to compare this to Madoka, I feel as though it's not really handling the dark themes it's presenting all that well. It feels rather rushed and awkward at times, especially with Akari's decisions as a whole. I'm having a hard time connecting to the characters as well. I like this series so far and think it definitely has potential, but I really hope it picks up soon because it's only scratching at the surface of the concepts it's presenting. Her decisions are understandable for her personality, the consequences to those decisions are not and she should have to deal with the consequences. The police officer shouldn't have scared away the monster from those 2 children (why would it be afraid of the officer?). Therefore they should have died or significant effort or extreme luck was involved in their rescue to show just how dangerous and self absorbed her decision was. |
BrotwoJul 20, 2013 2:15 PM
| Go killing people Akari. It's for a better good. |
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| Hmm, it was alright. Somethings off though |
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| The moral dilemma that the protagonist faces is poorly executed. No trying to discuss it with her like normal people would, and rather than acting like a child that's been scolded I would have thought she'd be more emotional. Rather than it feeling like an actual issue that I could possibly identify with, the way they have executed it makes it seem more like this: Protagonist: I don't want to kill anyone! Teachers/Whatever: Shut the **** up, you have to kill them, because I said so. It's so lazy. Green-hair's past is just introduced in a pusedo-flashback with talking shadows, which is an incredibly lazy technique. "Look, here's how people treated her, feel sad now", "now look, this is why protagonist is so important to green-hair". This is what I mean when I talk about the "tell not show" attitude to drama. That's the word I've been looking for that sums this show up in one word: Uncompelling. |
| Now she bears the burden of those she kills I still don't trust the raven and cat. |
| As expected, there is a lot more to the existence of Daemonia and Akari is special for being able to communicate with them. I wonder what these speaking animals are up to. I really liked that we also learned more about the other girls on Akari's team, especially their reasons for joining the organization. |
Frontalbrise said: I think, that Madoka is the wrong show to compare. The focus of Madoka were on the characters and their sad fates. The witches themselves were no sentient beings anymore who could've be saved from that condition. Also Madoka girls where still living normal lives, going to a public school and such. When we want to compare Gen'ei then with shows about soldiers or soldierlike people in organisations who fight against monsters or aliens, where the protagonist discovers, that the monster are feeling beings too and just misunderstood in any way. Gatchaman Crowds (as far as seems is now), Bokurano, Gantz and so on. This. Can we stop comparing it to Madoka simply because people died in it. Superficial similarities. The focus of both shows are completely different. Madoka was all about the twisted process in which mahou shoujo are created and used and was more about the journey to being one. Genei is more about the morals questions surrounding mahou shoujo as murderers. Although Akari's reasoning makes zero sense. I feel apprehensive about having to kill someone to save others. So instead of escaping from the scene, I'll just sit like a limp noodle just let the Daemonia kill me instead... Happened like 3 times now. I love the visuals and the OST is amazing, but I'm just not feeling the characters and the pacing is pretty all over the place. And can we stop flashing Fuyuna now? It's like what, the 7th time in 3 episodes? It's like they are trying to hit us on the head with a giant mallet, pretending like the audience can't feel empathy if it isn't explicity shown. AnimeFan500 said: Now she bears the burden of those she kills I still don't trust the raven and cat. I don't think they could have made it any more obvious. They might as well have said, "We are the bad guys." Now, if they did a surprise turn and made them innocent then I'd be impressed. |
OmniknightJul 20, 2013 5:31 PM
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Omniknight said: Frontalbrise said: I think, that Madoka is the wrong show to compare. The focus of Madoka were on the characters and their sad fates. The witches themselves were no sentient beings anymore who could've be saved from that condition. Also Madoka girls where still living normal lives, going to a public school and such. When we want to compare Gen'ei then with shows about soldiers or soldierlike people in organisations who fight against monsters or aliens, where the protagonist discovers, that the monster are feeling beings too and just misunderstood in any way. Gatchaman Crowds (as far as seems is now), Bokurano, Gantz and so on. This. Can we stop comparing it to Madoka simply because people died in it. Superficial similarities. The focus of both shows are completely different. Madoka was all about the twisted process in which mahou shoujo are created and used and was more about the journey to being one. Genei is more about the morals questions surrounding mahou shoujo are murderers. Although Akari's reasoning makes zero sense. I'm about to kill someone. So instead of killing someone, I'll just sit like a limp noodle just let the Daemonia kill me instead... I don't think it was a conscious choice so much as a moment of paralysis. She kinda got stuck and didn't know what to do and in those few seconds the thing managed to grab her. And I too agree that aside from the generally sad tone this doesn't remind me of Madoka at all. It's almost conceptually closer to Darker Than Black than it is to Madoka. |
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neontaster said: Omniknight said: Frontalbrise said: I think, that Madoka is the wrong show to compare. The focus of Madoka were on the characters and their sad fates. The witches themselves were no sentient beings anymore who could've be saved from that condition. Also Madoka girls where still living normal lives, going to a public school and such. When we want to compare Gen'ei then with shows about soldiers or soldierlike people in organisations who fight against monsters or aliens, where the protagonist discovers, that the monster are feeling beings too and just misunderstood in any way. Gatchaman Crowds (as far as seems is now), Bokurano, Gantz and so on. This. Can we stop comparing it to Madoka simply because people died in it. Superficial similarities. The focus of both shows are completely different. Madoka was all about the twisted process in which mahou shoujo are created and used and was more about the journey to being one. Genei is more about the morals questions surrounding mahou shoujo are murderers. Although Akari's reasoning makes zero sense. I'm about to kill someone. So instead of killing someone, I'll just sit like a limp noodle just let the Daemonia kill me instead... I don't think it was a conscious choice so much as a moment of paralysis. She kinda got stuck and didn't know what to do and in those few seconds the thing managed to grab her. And I too agree that aside from the generally sad tone this doesn't remind me of Madoka at all. It's almost conceptually closer to Darker Than Black than it is to Madoka. I can see where you are coming from and initially thought it might just be that, but I just watched that scene right now and and she said "I'll just let... ". (I'll just let it kill me instead is rather strongly implied). That and she physically lowers her sword, lowers her eyes and wait for the final blow. Also remember in ep2 when she realizes she killed Fuyuna, she said she's rather have died in her place. |
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Omniknight said: neontaster said: Omniknight said: Frontalbrise said: I think, that Madoka is the wrong show to compare. The focus of Madoka were on the characters and their sad fates. The witches themselves were no sentient beings anymore who could've be saved from that condition. Also Madoka girls where still living normal lives, going to a public school and such. When we want to compare Gen'ei then with shows about soldiers or soldierlike people in organisations who fight against monsters or aliens, where the protagonist discovers, that the monster are feeling beings too and just misunderstood in any way. Gatchaman Crowds (as far as seems is now), Bokurano, Gantz and so on. This. Can we stop comparing it to Madoka simply because people died in it. Superficial similarities. The focus of both shows are completely different. Madoka was all about the twisted process in which mahou shoujo are created and used and was more about the journey to being one. Genei is more about the morals questions surrounding mahou shoujo are murderers. Although Akari's reasoning makes zero sense. I'm about to kill someone. So instead of killing someone, I'll just sit like a limp noodle just let the Daemonia kill me instead... I don't think it was a conscious choice so much as a moment of paralysis. She kinda got stuck and didn't know what to do and in those few seconds the thing managed to grab her. And I too agree that aside from the generally sad tone this doesn't remind me of Madoka at all. It's almost conceptually closer to Darker Than Black than it is to Madoka. I can see where you are coming from and initially thought it might just be that, but I just watched that scene right now and and she said "I'll just let... ". (I'll just let it kill me instead is rather strongly implied). That and she physically lowers her sword, lowers her eyes and wait for the final blow. Also remember in ep2 when she realizes she killed Fuyuna, she said she's rather have died in her place. Good point. Maybe it is because she was told it was her destiny (that's why she ran away initially), so she figured that was the only option she had left... |
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| She is telling them that they might be able to be changed back but they dont want to listen good ep other then that. |
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neontaster said: I know many people hate the character designs for this show but I really dig the whole style concept. It's its own thing and I appreciate that. Also fire hair = win. People hate the character designs? It's the main reason I started watching this show. I think they are amazing. People should stfu about this trying to be like Madoka, they were working on this before Madoka even aired.. It's still looking good 4/5, will continue to watch. |
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tsudecimo said: neontaster said: I know many people hate the character designs for this show but I really dig the whole style concept. It's its own thing and I appreciate that. Also fire hair = win. People hate the character designs? It's the main reason I started watching this show. I think they are amazing. People should stfu about this trying to be like Madoka, they were working on this before Madoka even aired.. It's still looking good 4/5, will continue to watch. It is a complaint I have seen quite often. I think it's kind of intentionally extreme but it works so well. |
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| Lol, they trapped her in a dungeon. Wtf is this. |
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| The reverse Death card made it's clear appearance after all, this is probably connected directly to some kind of enemy using this card since there are only 21 warriors but 22 tarot cards. |
| I'm actually kinda glad that it's not something like "Only Akari can heal them". Well, not yet anyways. I don't know about the future. I still cannot get enough of that OP. I really think that people are judging this series too harshly as a "Madoka clone" though. It's like saying that every series in the harem genre is a clone of ___. They're different shows with a similar genre. Nothing wrong with multiple series of the same genre. |
| This show would have much more impact if they just slowed down the pacing. Everything so far just feels like a trainwreck because of this horrendously fast pacing. I had high expectations for this show but I'm not sure if I want to continue watching at this point. |
| Go ***k yourself. Polite as usual, lightXTC |
RediceRyan said: Hmm, it was alright. Somethings off though I feel the same way...not completely sure what the problem is though. tsudecimo said: People should stfu about this trying to be like Madoka, they were working on this before Madoka even aired.. Do you have a source for this? Not saying you're wrong...I'm just asking because I don't know. If what you are saying is true though, wouldn't that mean they started working on this show/manga/LN two and a half years ago? |
| Hmmm. Not sure about this one. I got a little bored during this episode. Still, it's really too early to judge the series. |
saxophone15 said: Do you have a source for this? Not saying you're wrong...I'm just asking because I don't know. If what you are saying is true though, wouldn't that mean they started working on this show/manga/LN two and a half years ago? Dunno, I think he overshot it, the first time I've heard of this was in this from ANN. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-02-20/unnamed-original-anime-website-registered-by-aniplex The site was as shown in the pic, there was only one rotating Sun tarot card and the domain was http://www.ilsolepenetraleillusioni.com/ (which redirects to the right domain right now) |
RLinksoul said: This week on Madoka Comparisons: The Animation our protagonist fails to save the person who's been turned into a monster of the week, we have in-fighting between magical girls, and we now see for certain that these monsters exist on a plane outside of what normal humans can see. I find it unsettling that they would shakle the poor girl and forcibly take her back to the base. The brown woman in particular is starting to irk me with her coldness. Also, there's apparently a body dangling from the monsters with a bag over it's head. I kinda wondered why no one thought to cut it off... Odd. And while I can understand where Seira is coming from, attacking Akari is pushing it a little too much. I swear, can I have one character voiced by Eri Kitamura who doesn't have a stubborn, hardheaded attitude? The most disappointing thing so far was Luna's backstory. It wasn't even elaborated on, they just flashed a few scenes to make us pity her and then gave us more Akari shipping. I like that Akari is struggling morally with this, but isn't just standing around and crying the whole show like a certain other dark magical girl show protagonist. Or rather I'm glad this world doesn't screw Akari over so badly that she has NO CHOICe but to sit on the sidelines and cry. All in all a weaker episode than the last, but still I'm liking this fairly well. 4/5 I'm sure we'll get more on each character's backstory... hopefully... What that moment in Luna's backstory did bring to the equation is how mahou shoujo are perceived in the world: as murderers and untouchables. Kind of heavy handed though. I don't think you really grasped the reasons behind Madoka's actions if you thought she was a completely passive character... Madoka Magica is about the process of becoming a mahou shoujo. If she become one in episode 1-3, there would be no story... This week on Madoka comparisons: NONE! But movie 1 and 2 blu-rays are releasing this week! Time to see how the pacing is affected by a movie format! |
OmniknightJul 21, 2013 7:14 AM
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skudoops said: I hate the character designs. They straight up look like 8 year olds. It certainly fits into the category that I call "anime extreme," kinda like Shiki. But I felt like the crazy character designs worked there perfectly and so far they are working for me here too. |
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| more deaths ;__; but really good episode, great action and fights :D |
| The pacing is almost right now. Could still slow down a bit. |
| I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning, help me to breathe. |
| She killed it in the end anyways. Dafuck. MC really sucks unless she transforms to her badass mode. |
| Good episode. I will be happy if she finally can't help them. |
| Lol did the monster guy make the wheel get stuck in the tracks or was that just a coincidence, the teacher didnt want to die alone so she was gonna take that last kid with her, this show is more dark than i thought lol |
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| Was this episode any better than the last 2 ? Please tell so I can know to drop it. |
| Mostly boring episode, besides the ending. |
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| A pretty nice episode, I must admit that I liked this one. Awesome OST btw. symbv said: More deaths... The feeling of the show trying to out-Madoka Madoka is even stronger in this episode. Got the same feeling myself. |
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| It's obvious this mahou shoujo anime has a darker plot than most other mahou shoujo anime it was the same for Madoka. And it's safe to assume that this is trying to go even darker than Madoka. Judging the characters i see a few possibilities where it will go wrong. Ginka doesn't seem to fully understand the danger she is facing which makes me to think see will do something to make things go wrong in a future episode or she will get seriously hurt herself. Seira has a harsh personality and she seems to have difficulty accepting Akari she already attacked her when Akari did something she didn't like. The possibility of her killing a other member of the group or organisation is high which could be a other factor of things going wrong. Luna is very insecure and it seems she has a multiple large burdens resting on her shoulders she might crack at some point. Their are multiple possibilities in this anime of things going wrong it might also be a combination of things going wrong. Honestly i am really looking forward of what else this anime is going to bring us. |
NeverSleep said: The reverse Death card made it's clear appearance after all, this is probably connected directly to some kind of enemy using this card since there are only 21 warriors but 22 tarot cards. I think "The Wheel" (Fate/Fortune) or "The World" (Universe/Existence) is the card outside of the avatar process since either card could be considered to reference something that is more powerful and transcends the rather simplistic conflict between Tarot aspects that's supposed to be the kickstarter for this series. Since the use and interpretations of the Tarot seem to be (perhaps aptly) at the level of a middle-school novice reader (with distinct fluffy bunny tendencies) I wouldn't take anything too seriously that they offer as an explanation. |
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
rodac said: Made me laugh! :)Since the use and interpretations of the Tarot seem to be (perhaps aptly) at the level of a middle-school novice reader (with distinct fluffy bunny tendencies) ... |
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RLinksoul said: Omniknight said: I don't think you really grasped the reasons behind Madoka's actions if you thought she was a completely passive character... Madoka Magica is about the process of becoming a mahou shoujo. If she become one in episode 1-3, there would be no story... Ah the typical "You didn't get the point of the show." Defense. Always fun. I really don't think I should have to explain the entire plot of the series just to point out that I prefer a magical girl protagonist who doesn't stand on the sidelines and cry the whole show, or one who actually has a personality. I'm personally having trouble with the idea of your typical mahou shoujo protagonst having personality actually... Considering they all cry and are shy and innocent, I don't see how that's different from Madoka in that regard. However, she was never entirely passive and she steps up to plate at the end of it too. To be honest though, she's not my favourite character either, since I see her a foil for the other characters. But your preferences are your preferences. I wasn't trying to start an argument just to be clear since you got all defensive. |
OmniknightJul 21, 2013 5:39 PM
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| Boring episode, except for the end. The story has yet to make me actually give a shit about the characters or story. I think I'll just drop this. |
| This series has been in production hell since at least Comiket 80 in 2011 and had the working title "Genei no Messiah"/"Blood of Fortune" initially, predating the airing of Madoka. Quick google search of those names shows archived announcements, characters, etc. It's possible the script was pushed further into darker territory after Madoka's insane success, but I'm going to guess that with the working title Blood of Fortune the series wasn't going down a happy path to begin with. We'll never really know. It's unfortunate that this show will never be given a chance living in the shadow of Madoka. Not saying this is AOTY or it's breaking new ground or anything, but it's its own thing and is watchable as a mahou shoujo series (christ almighty that first episode was a colossal trainwreck though). Dunno how the character design and art style is so polarizing. I'm personally enamored with it and really despair that there's not going to be much in the way of fanart for this series. |
| Some what trying to be like Madoka? with the animals and the girls hesitation |
Barion-Zara said: VioLink said: neontaster said: I know many people hate the character designs for this show but I really dig the whole style concept. It's its own thing and I appreciate that. Also fire hair = win. It looked cool when she did her running attack. Loved both those scenes too. Dat hair :D Yes the scene of her running absolutely amazing. |
| Honestly, the only thing that connects to "Madoka-Magica" besides Aniplex's involvement is the "battle barriers" (and where the girls can only see it's Daemonia form) and the "gritty" magical girl theme... On top of that, I really like Luna more. I love her child form with that bonnet.. What a cute baby! |
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